/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434ranking

Whether this is a “growth hack” tactics or a manager going rogue, numberfagging is surely going extreme in Taiwan

>>13012871

Other numbers thread was started first, but I ain't you mom so do as you please.
>>13012783

>>13012797
What's the source of this? There seems to be nothing on Sauenao.

The other thread is too crowded with baits and shit so I might as well do it here. It seems based on schedule, both Sana and Baelz will have collabs with fairly popular HoloJP members. What numbers do you think they will do?
Also, they're going to play that Korone game as well, expect some buff.

This thread is so dead compared to the other one.

saving this one for next time

Real previous: >>13012783

>>13019599
>600+
What's happening?

>>13019628
Nothing? In real fast days that thread hits 1000 and is the second fastest thread after hlg

>>13019628
Lot of big numbers and some baits.

>>13019679
>>13019697

Ah, ok
Most of the time I see it got archived at around 500 or sth, or maybe I'm a retard ...

Sister Marine blessed us with holy numbers today.

>>13019726
Here is the number threads still on archives

493 posts :: >>12997113
530 posts :: >>12972037
399 posts :: >>12972037
601 posts :: >>12948933
461 posts :: >>12914185
659 posts :: >>12902591
766 posts :: >>12888160
501 posts :: >>12856141
737 posts :: >>12845789

It truly depends on whether the board is going fast (threads archive faster after reaching page 11) and whether the numbers are going big (posts go faster)

>>13019864
Wasn't there a thread that reach 1k recently? I think it was kuzuha's concert. Or maybe the one where enschizo and jp5 schizo was fighting.

>>13019460
This post >>13018817 already answered the question but it seems /#/ can't stop dramafagging just like the rest of this board.

>Yeah Holomems have been really exhausted recently right? I saw Nenene's stream and really thought that
>Hololive is such a large place with so many things to do, things pile up when you also have to stream regularly
>Yeah it's tough to play various games for streams. I'm really bad at games so I'll do things like look it up and try it out
>There's so much stuff that happens behind the scene.. Fubuki-senpai is so incredible she's basically got sponsored stuff piled up
>The holomem you don't see is really incredible! (earlier talking about how what you see is just 20% of what happened)
Lamy is talking about the previous thread topic kek

what is the "nijisanji offpako" thing?

so we use this one?

>>13019919
Threads been shittier than usual since fauna schizo showed up here last night. Hasn't stopped since.

>>13019950
To be honest, if they're that overworked it's probably time to debut gen 6.

>>13019950
thank you Lamy for some context

>>13020016
this, give us gen 6 already

>>13019950
At least Lamy knows how to phrase that last point instead of saying being like Mori and throwing out a random number (5%).

>>13019895
Halloween thread with Kuzuha vs Mel battle >>12285646 got 1176 replies

>>13019950
>Fubuki-senpai is so incredible she's basically got sponsored stuff piled up
I kneel friend

>>13020058
head to head gold race usually get this much

JP 6 literally when, Cover? Your talents needs to balance streaming and tons of sponsorships now

>>13020146
even if gen 6 debuts literally now I don't think they will get sponsors until later the first month at least

>>13020067
she might be not in the first string anymore, but she still hasn't lost her magic and is still capable of pulling some miracles every now and then

>>13020043
The difference between a woman who love her job and a woman who hate her job.
>>13020146
They just need to do what Suisei did. Her work and rest is pretty balanced.

>>13020205
Suisei also has been at it as a vtuber for a longer time. In Nene's case at least it's just her working too hard because she set her own bar too high since she didn't have to climb from being a literal 2-view even as a holo.

>>13020182
>>13020205
JP 6 isn't to divide sponsorships. They need to stream and cover dead timeslots when the older gens are busy with their sponsorships. I've been seeing more and more dead slots on the 6, 7 & 8 timeslots on weekdays. Weekends is the usual.

>>13020205
I'm not sure what Suisei does, I'm guessing a lot of short breaks?
A lot of the Holos seem to stream almost everyday while also doing a shit ton of stuff behind the scenes (I recall Subaru mentioned in a twitter space that she almost had a nervous break down over it).

>>13019895
Yes, the now archived >>12787890.

Here is some meta numberfagging, that was a fun thread with the illegal funnel going overdrive

>>13020205
>a woman who hate her job.
Calli? She surely likes it more than mindless "reaping".

>>13020397
>I'm not sure what Suisei does, I'm guessing a lot of short breaks?
Autism, pure autism. I kneel everyday to Suisei because her work ethics and drive is second to none in this industry

To that anon last thread who was wondering if the new Aizono was still by Itou Life, the answer is no. She got guchico.
https://twitter.com/manami_aizono/status/1459874393031516163

Why are people claiming about holo being overworked when it's apart of their Japanese culture. Their Japanese it's in their blood to keep working until they have a breakdown.

Now look at hololive en they takes breaks constantly cause they do not have to deal with japan insane work culture. Kiara even mention this about how en take breaks and jp talents are scared to take a break until it's to late

>>13020503
guchico just can't stop producing sex

>>13020526
Explain Ayame then

>>13020526
Reminder that they had to force friend to take a damn break

>>13019950
Ayame must be in space sponsoring for aliens

You have to realiza that most of these girls never got a full time job before joining Hololive

>>13020559
wasn't that watame

>>13020503
Now, they're aiming for Holo artists?

>>13020307
The evolution seems to be: super chat income. Membership income. Ads/premium. Merch/sponsorships. Live events/concerts. If a Holo decides to go the idol route and focus on sponsorships and concerts their streaming hours drop, opening up room for new generations. You can kind of see a similar progression with Myth to some extent. Having hour talent being too busy to stream without burning out seems like a natural time to release a new gen. As opposed to say… nijiEN

>>13020503
Fuckin leeches. Nijisanji should groom their own artists instead of leeching off of Holo adjacents.

>>13020598
It was both of them.

>>13020526
I mentioned this the other day. There is a reason the "standard greeting" for leaving the office is not
>goodbye
or
>see you tomorrow
but
>お先に失礼します (Osaki ni Shitsureishimasu)
meaning roughly
>Sorry for leaving earlier than you guys

The thing is: it is neither right nor wrong, it is just ... different.

There is a reason that god forsaken island packed full of natural disasters managed to punch way above their weight and try to conquer the eastern world military with such strength it took two nukes to rein them in, then to try to rule the world financially (going all the way to become the #1 GDP in the world) until they ran out of peasants and babbies and took an arrow to the knee.
They must be doing something right, but their work ethics surely is different and strange when looking with western eyes

>>13020608
agree, JP holos are pretty busy with offscreen job to stream daily, at least most of them, that's the perfect time to debut another gen

>>13020598
She ANNUAL forced 3 day break lmao

>>13020678
they are germany but with anime

>>13020526
Because people here don't have a full time job and don't know about Japan's work culture. The fact that they have to be forced to take a break should tell you that. Also people here like to compare Japan's work culture with Burgerland's.

>>13020397
She has Anemachi.

>>13020724
>they are germany but with anime
Nah, I deal with both germans and with some eastern folks from Japan and Korea as well.

They're fucking efficient, they work (at worst) 9 to 5 and push for 100% efficiency on work hours, they spare no effort.
Then they clock out exactly at clock out time and you can forget about them until the next business day.

>>13020803
s-sugoi

>>13020678
What people here say "overworked" and "Cover is black company" in real world means "normal work hours" and "your usual company".

Marine voice chat on Lamy's stream. Unplanned so probably won't give a CCV boost.

Speaking of Suisei, here is one moment on Hololive history many spring chikins that onboarded around the time HoloEN debuted may have missed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmmnB4bP0M
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/JNmmnB4bP0M

This Suisei concert
1) reached 96k CCV peak
2) featured Kanata, Towa, Matsuri, Sora, and AZKI
3) cleared up a rrat that Suisei "hated" AZKi for the things that happened during her Innonaka tenure

Back then this type of "crossover" concert was not that common (actually even 3D live concerts were not as common as they are today) and seeing Suisei singing with Sora, Towa, Kanata, Matsuri and specially AZKi was a fucking huge surprise.

More than that, it was the start of AZKi being fulling onboarded on Hololive, before that she was a special project as detached from the main group as Holostars.

I consider this one of the pivotal moments in the history of Hololive, it was something completely else, in the middle of a hurricane of bad news and fuck ups.

Nijisanji is growing at a slow rate.

Selen is getting 3k, slowly pushing it up to 4k. She hasn't had many hot moments recently unfortunately.
Elira is getting 2k regularly now, and pushing it towards 2.5k. She's growing pretty slow but she is definitely growing.
Pomu is growing the slowest, unfortunately, but she gets lots of donations, and she has so many creative ideas. I think she's inevitable. She's pushing towards 2K right now.
Finana is doing fantastic. Her regular stream probably gets around 1.7k, but it's hard to know because she keeps having these super buffed streams that get 4k, 2.5k, and these numbers are on long game playthroughs. She also recently got this deal to host a big event for genshin, she's doing amazing.
The others are growing too. Petra is no longer Anya-level, Rosemi now regularly gets 1.3k

It's a slow and steady improvement that you can really feel over time.

I haven't been paying much attention to the hololive side, but it looks like the opposite over there. A slow and steady decline. Apparently they are now averaging way under 10k? When I stopped watching that was a shit number that only kiara was getting, to my amusement.

If these trends continue, they should meet somewhere in the middle

>>13021117
Lamy sake streams are the best! I'm listening to it on background, her Japanese is second only to Okayu in "simple for a N999 to understand" and I had to triple check to see if I didn't open a new tab with Marine stream because it was really a surprise

>>13021117
go marine go

>>13021182
Did you not see the October median chart and even without ethyria how there is a 12% decline.

>>13021136
Also her most superchatted stream with $37,773

>>13021136
>cleared up a rrat that Suisei "hated" AZKi for the things that happened during her Innonaka tenure
?????????
these two fucking lowed each other. it was a great moment because Suisei promised AZKi to feature her in one of her concerts after AZKi featured Suisei in hers.

Lamy almost beating Kaida's SC numbes

>>13021397
She just needs 2000 yen more.

>>13021397
She's gonna get more later.

>>13021397
Lamy has beaten Kaida now
Kaida - 1993018 yen - 2434 rankings
Lamy - 1999020 yen - Hololyzer

Is the "slow and strady" schizo back?

>>13021567
Za lamy I kneel

>>13020146
they're probably coming soon since several holos have said theyre seeing a bunch of new managers lately

>>13021639
I think that the new gen is coming soon too but the new managers is probably just Cover finally finishing training their new hires and starting to give their talents personal managers.

Holos often shuffle around their managers. Do you think talents being overworked has to do with manager getting used to "hardworking" talents and trying to fit new member to same workframe?

Did Melody's collab with Kson help her win any JP fans?

>>13021726
If that is the case, it would be some serious work abuse.

>>13021726
No, it's new managers being too conservative and not knowing when to force a talent to rest.

>>13021639
Might just be a symptom of growth. A brand new vtuber, maybe even one with little or no streaming experience needs a different manager than a veteran with hundreds of hours under their belt. Ame’s new manager sounds more like her assistant than someone who bonks her for rookie mistakes.

>>13021726
>Old managers to new members
>New managers to old members
That's the best way to go. They learn through each other. Old managers would work the new members to standard Holo level while old members would train new managers on what to do. After work, new managers could hit up with the old ones for a drink and have them explain everything they're confused about at work.

>>13021726
The opposite.
>Her manager has been working really hard to coordinate/adjust her schedule because Suisei's schedule is so packed

>>13021821
I had Nene in mind. Her saying she's become afraid of discord ping sound made me think it's not just her fault.

>>13021894
But that also comes to her inability to say no to things. Of course the manager needs to know what's a decent workload, but it works both ways.

Was curious about the google sponsored stream for yuika and ibrahim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJbfP30ifmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-PCciMRQDg

Good they're paid to do this, but are they really no alternative sponsorships than this? Even the stationary collab with the 4 dudes was more okay than playing shitty games.

>>13021182
>It's a slow and steady improvement that you can really feel over time.
This is all a nice fantasy but the numbers really don't back your assertions, except of course for Selen
>pic related

>Rosemi, Millie, Petra, Nina, Enna and Reimu are all settling way below 1.5k and, at very best, stopping their recline
>Pomu took a huge tumble and cratered from being on par with Selen to trailing Elira

Then, there are the real improvements in the whole set
>Finana and Elira inclined back to her mid September numbers
And then there is Selen. Something happened for her in mid September that inclined her over 2.5k and she are holding steady since them.

With all of that said none of them are even close to Sana, the lowest performing member of Council so trying to compare them in the same universe is something not even worth the charting time.

>>13022112
RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

>>13021182
I don’t want Finana to become more popular, the more fans she gets the less time she will have for fan interaction and give less attention to us.
>>13022119
Finana is my sweet fish

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *
Here it goes

>81,725: Marine (Hololive)
>34,569: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>33,312: Pekora (Hololive)
>31,925: Gura (Hololive)
>31,784: Miko (Hololive)
>25,110: Kaida Haru (Nijisanji)
>23,407: Watame (Hololive)
>23,111: Genzuki Tojiro (Nijisanji)
>22,516: Nagao Kei (Nijisanji)
>22,140: Suisei (Hololive)
>18,430: Mito (Nijisanji)
>18,112: Subaru (Hololive)
>18,074: IRyS (Hololive)
>17,845: Shion (Hololive)
>17,652: AZKi (Hololive)
>16,918: Flare (Hololive)
>16,697: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>14,636: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>14,595: Lamy (Hololive)
>13,714: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>13,072: Lize (Nijisanji)
>13,012: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>12,241: Kanata (Hololive)
>11,772: Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>10,606: Nose (VSPO)
>10,510: kson (Indie)
>10,480: Ars Almal (Nijisanji)
>10,120: Ririmu (Nijisanji)

>>13022119
You think reality will stop a schizo from living in his fantasy?

>>13022358
it can stop other from believing so it is worthy the 10 minutes it took me to whip out that chart before returning to the bottle

>>13022352
tribalfagging aside, pretty strong day

>>13022394
Yep, 28 entries over 10k, with 12 from Nijisanji.
>a rising tide lifts all boats

>>13022352
Holo 6 - 4 Niji
Surprisingly close day for top 10
Aside from Marine ...

>>13022391
based anon

Fauna is a failure and won't even reach 10k playing 60 seconds.

>>13022352
Blessed be her holiness Sister Marine. I kneel before her.

>>13021894
From Nene thread
>tl;dr feels like she has to try twice has hard because she has the lowest sub count in her gen -> takes basically every opportunity that arises and keeps putting off taking a break -> overworks herself -> le cry
>To add to this her previous job was an environment where you basically had to be a 'Yes man' through and through so she fucking suuuuuuuuuucks and saying no to doing sponsorships / promos / other extra work etc even though Hololive is pretty good with people saying no which makes it quite a bit worse.

>>13022432
The last time there were this many entries from niji was when NijiEN wave 3 debuted. So yeah a good strong day for them.

Bunny_gif is making decent numbers on twitch

>>13022631
Huh, I wonder if every runt feels the same (except Sana). Kiara/Flare/Nene/Aki seem to have big insecurities about being the last of their Gen.

>>13022691
Good numbers. Who’s she?

>>13022733
>Flare
Not really?

>>13022432
Nijisanji had a relay of events but they still couldn't beat Hololive. I don't know what's wrong with the company. Maybe it's time to reevaluate their talents and perhaps put those low performers back to their academy for retraining?

>>13022733
>Flare
You have never watched Flare have you ?

>>13022691
not a vtuber, she streams with facecam way too much

>>13022733
Other than always did endurance for her miletone, Flare doesn't really that insecure.

>>13022432
Yeah, if only Nijisanji was not filled with over 100 2views.

>>13022631
People call various vtuber agencies black companies but being a Holomem is a life of luxury compared to the actual idol industry. They chew up and spit out talent at an incredible rate and almost none of them make any actual money. No shortage of dark stories from the 3D side

>>13022631
I WILL SAVE MY WIFE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>13022808
Idols barely make enough money to get by, their managers pocket all the money.
There are some that also don’t tell idols their schedule so they’re forced to be ready at any time.

>>13022733
I really wonder why Coucil doesn't seem to feel pressure of viewership and sub count. Like, are they that confident in their job security that much, or are they using Myth as blackmail of some sort to make Cover concede to their streaming demands?

>>13022352
Another poor showing from Nijisanji. The management really has to perform better cause having tons of events lined up daily just to compete with your closest competitor isn't sustainable in the long run.

Predict Kanye west's Sunday service number.

>>13022847
because many of HoloMyth had experienced burnouts, so they are not gonna try pushing them more than what theyre comfortable with

>>13020067
>>13020203
Friend is just smart about accepting jobs she can finish in reasonable time.
Fast way to get dogpiled by work is to pick jobs above your skill level and end up re-doing takes until late night at studio, which totally fucks up your schedule for other planned work

>>13022847
Cover has always been extremely lax on schedules and numbers. They seem to have the philosophy that pressuring the talent don’t pay dividends long term. Sana aside their numbers seem fine. Anyone since the since Myth’s debut doing better than them aside from Irys?

>>13022808
>compared to the actual idol industry.
Forget about the idol industry, that’s a place you can make or break, and gamble everything for the chance to retire at your 35th birthday.

Nip salarymen have triple the suck for a crappy retirement at 70th birthday

>>13022847
There is a massive job security in Hololive since every graduation is bad pr for the company. There has been no graduation due to bad performance.

Yesterday's Vshojo numbers:
>Veibae 8,686 (before raid)
>Zentreya 3,581
>Froot 5,199
>Melody 3,838
>Ironmouse 8,559

>>13022631
after this incident, pretty sure Yagoo will have a talk with her and force a break on streaming

>>13021595
That's not him.

>>13022996
Makes me wonder how long they will stay in Hololive (assuming vtubing is around for a long time).
It provides a lot of money and a friend network.

>>13022847
>Coucil doesn't seem to feel pressure of viewership and sub count.
Because they don't give a fuck about numbers. The only one that seem to try her hard is probably Bae.

>>13023021
My guess is that the manager will get some form of spanking as well. Having it escalate to the point where the talent breaks down on stream isn't a good look, regardless where the problem lies.

>>13023018
Saturday not a strong day for them or poor choice of entertainment?

>>13022996
>>13022844
Imagine real idols wanting to get it on the vtuber trend and earn money for themselves through streaming. For certain, there'd be people who wants to join JP 6, but Korea, that's where the real idols are at. Retired Idols can be diamonds in the rough, waiting to be picked up. HoloKR and JP6.

Just do it already cover.

>>13023119
Sally....

>>13022733
I am most familiar with Gen 4; Towa is not dead last , she shares the the runt spot with Luna. But at the beginning she was well behind everyone , including Luna. Both Luna and Towa don't seem to share these insecurities about numbers in particular publicly.
They take breaks when they need. I remember how people were surprised and a little impressed on the jp side during summer when Towa just said after coco graduated, "im taking a week off for summer vacation."
And Luna is as far behind as she is because she took time off to take care of her mother.
Towa does plenty of official hololive stuff, not as much high profile stuff as nene , she is not afraid to say no to management. And there's a rrat going around that she has caused the "reassignment" of multiple managers.
I could see Towa being some kind of representative for talent, like in a union or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8RIO1jdgAg

>>13023119
Well, even if they are former idols, that's not a guarantee for success. Sure they will have talent in the idol department, but if they are a total dud when it comes to streaming it wont work out anyway.

>>13023049
Yagoo is playing the long game. Do it right and there'd be vtubers that could span for over 10 years working in the industry. Outfit reveals keeps things fresh, but alternative forms is also a plus too. More adult marine, adult fbk etc. Alternative Gura. There's a lot of ideas that could go around for them compared to regular streamers.

>>13023049
Those who have better alternative income streams AND prone to burnouts/injuries/menhera episodes will drop out first (barring any accidental final yabs). Just work out which holomems have those two conditions.

>>13023170
Streaming can be taught. Pretty sure they have a manual ready for new talents. It's that easy. Retired Idols already come with a set package of being able to sing, Dance and being charismatic. Nene is already a prime example of this.

>>13023170
It makes me wonder at a scenario where a heavenly king retires and joins jp6, can you imagine how fucked the power dynamic would be for them. It's an impossible scenario but I like thinking about the possible conflict it would create.

>>13023233
>More adult marine, adult fbk etc. Alternative Gura
advantage of vtubers. but at some point, few of them will likely get married and have a family.

>>13023292
I meant streaming personality, not the technicality of streaming. I can guarantee that there are former idols out that beat out any hololiver in singing/dancing, but has such a boring personality on stream that no one would watch her.

polka mc with lamy suddenly entering vc at 9.5k btw 2:30am jst

>>13023292
You can really tell just by looking at the 3d debuts. Nene was really idolesque in hers.

>>13023292
he was talking about being entertaining for a whole live, not how to press the stream buttons.

>>13023330
It's not like that will stop them from streaming anon

>>13023330
Good thing about being a vtuber, the person behind it can grow old but the avatar doesn't. After two decades these gens are gonna have some nostalgia value are they can come back for special concerts among other things. Cover just has to protect its relationship with the talents and the talents's image.

>>13023105
pretty average numbers for all of them except froot who hit a little above her average doing an apex collab

>>13023353
That depends on cover themselves. It's almost certain that they'll choose only one idol out of the many due to their unique personality. There's a lot too choose from when the ratio is 1:1200. The other 4 would be unique personalities too, but they won't be idols. Some could be artists, gamers, comedians or a person with high charisma that has a fluency of 2 or more
Languages.

>>13023526
It seems like it’s a pretty important part in their hiring practices now that they don’t want to have an overlap in personality.

>>13023483
>doing an apex collab
With Ollie and rpr, no?

>>13023128
it's selly

>>13023642
I meant Sally Amaki from 22/7 not Selly CR.

>>13023739
oh my bad

>>13022352
Good to see Ririmu in this top as well.

>>13023365
our first 10k stream of the week

>>13023353
Not him, but idols that perform live have to have had the it that allows them to stay for long. That includes being able to entertain a crowd for extended periods of time, which is one the primary objectives of their industry. Their skills and talent is highly transferable to VTubing, and especially so for Hololive.

If retired idols aren't so shallow minded that they would take any chance at success, they could consider pretending to be an anime girl for lonely neets and otakus for a chance at striking gold in the mine.

>>13023466
Assuming vtubing trend actually manage to last for decades later, I unironically think vtuber avatars might have a chance to be passed down like Kabuki or Rakugo stage names. Both of them are considered as low-class/crass entertainment forms for the masses but become 'classy' later just like classical music in the west. If this happen, particularly popular characters will be inherited. So we might end up with Pekora or Marine 2nd gen.

>>13022737
>Bunny_gif
https://twitchtracker.com/bunny_gif/statistics
Old school Texan streamer and vtuber in the Vshojo sphere of friends.
Still does RL streaming, cosplay and Instagram modeling as she's done for years.

On the vtubing side, has a pretty scruffy looking 3D model, which didn't attract much attention.

>>13023802
It started before midnight JST and already made today’s top.

>>13023953
Damn, I was actually gonna say that to someone who replied to that post. Only occured to me after I sent it.

>>13023953
I doubt it would work, you can't just replace Pekora and expect nousagi to stick around for the new version. And why do it that way? Why not create a new character rather then force a new vtuber to live with the legacy of one of the greats from the past...

>>13023994
no it didn't, it started at 2 am JST

>>13023994
Anon your timezone reps.

>>13023739
yeah... Sally's been doing the type of shorts which were popular with Vtuber watchers 3-4 years ago.
She's multilingual too but hasn't build much of an audience.

Might be worth doing the "jump year" right now.
Where you spend some money, get into Vtubing for a year for the exposure, then graduate but take home the extra audience.

>>13022759
>>13022778
Flare used to be worried about it in the way back before times but she got over it.

>>13023953
The Usada Clan and the Houshou Clan, I like it but it's too hard to realize

>>13023953
>>13024009
>I unironically think vtuber avatars might have a chance to be passed down like Kabuki or Rakugo stage names.
There is a modern precedent to that too, more or less
>Kamen Rider
As long as the torch is passed down in a way that the audience accepts (like it did in the multiple Super Sentai ensembles, or in the Kamen Rider series) your descendants could be watching Usada Pekora IIi in some 50 years with a clean unbroken lineage.

>>13024074
As long as they frame it as not being a replacement it's fine. It can be more like someone who upholds the "traditions" of the character. Set proper customer expectation. It's also an easy way to create hype.

>>13024106
>>13024128
Wut, is this a second stream?
>Polka, not Lamy
Fuck, my thread following reps.

>>13023953
>Honshou Marine and Usada Pekora as stage names.
I don't think that is likely to happen. It has a chance of setting up false expectations that would not be met and lead to negative reaction from the audience. In the case of Hololive, the characters are few enough that they enjoy the luxury of being able to create a relatively large roster of memorable, unique personas for a good while should the Vtubing industry continues to exists in the future.

>>13023049
Unless they have something they want to do that they can't as a vtuber or they simply don't want to do it anymore, there's no obvious reason to stop. It doesn't have expiration dates, facecam streamers are passing a decade doing it.

>>13023137
if I could be bothered I'd find the clip of her responding to a hater who disparaged her for her low numbers.

>P-Prince…

>>13024343
I'm still astonish how strong Polka's guerilla MC streams are

>>13024414
Drunk Lamy is there.

>>13024338
It's a fucking Otakmori clip.
https://youtu.be/k_7-2uXqU-8

>>13023953
Kizuna Ai
Need I say more?

>>13024211
My point is how do you do that without it becoming a worse rehash then the original, something clearly created by corporate. Define the traditions of Pekora, Marine or for that case Sora. This isn't Karmen Rider or Dr Who were the baseline for the personality of the rehashed character is found in the script. Here they come from the real person behind the avatar.

>>13024257
Nah the smart move is reuse a bunch of design elements and have them be related as a daughter/niece etc. Then have the original Pekora make a rare comeback for big numbers.

>>13023967
She also recently started dating admiralbahroo, with whom numberfags should be familiar.

>>13024513
kek i hope youre joking

>>13024463
It doesn't need to be as defined as what you're probably thinking. Being vaguely similar would be enough. Anyway, it's just an idea.
>>13024442
That was done behind the fans's back though.

>>13024442
That’s not a good example, they bungled up the transition and a huge segment of the audience only noticed something was “wrong” when they noticed the voice and demeanor of whoever was at the helm didn’t match the original.

Think of the transition as something more like the JoJo franchise, with each titular character being both called the same but also a completely different character with a well defined lineage tracing to their predecessors.

Marine, for instance, could become the equivalent of “Dread Pirate Rogers” and if you make a good “training arc” during the transition you can allow for Marine to retire wealthy and sexually satisfied at the old age of 17 (season 3) while leaving a worthy successor at the helm

>>13024433
Damn I was sure there was another one but I can't find it anymore. Might have been a jp one.

Is slither.io a buff game?

>>13024846
Yes, it is a “dynamic zatsu” that also allow for viewer participation

>>13020016
>>13020035
They couldn't find anyone for those two character designs. Do you really think they can get enough people for a new gen?

>>13024500
>>13024621
These two have the right ideas. Don't replace the roommates for the avatars but train successors. Make it they are distant family members or rivals or childhood friends or some other anime tropes. I can easily imagine some lore for Pekora replacement being another Pekoland princess who is second in line for the throne here for a 'temporary inspection' of what the princess has been doing.

>>13022352
Based of Pmaru non-compete clause, there's seven months to go 'til Kson can collab with Holo members. But you can leave it to Kson to keep circumventing these agreements. She has the knack to be a lawyer.

>>13024513
is that why he's getting less viewer these days?

>>13024973
I too thought Kson was really savvy until the taiwan yab.

>>13024945
yes

>>13024947
No one was saying replace the roommates, more like a new chara with the same name. And people were giving their opinions on how such a thing can or can't work.

>>13024973
she can collab with holos anytime, as Coco. If she doesnt want to, thats on her.

>>13024973
Why would cover ever green light those collabs? The only thing kson-holo collabs would lead to is that it will muddle the graduation of coco.

>>13022352
Hololive 14
Nijisanji 15

Looks like it was a narrow Nijisanji win.

>>13024973
>She has the knack to be a lawyer.
Do you really believe...?

>>13024973
>Based of Pmaru non-compete clause, there's seven months to go 'til Kson can collab with Holo members
Wut? That’s bullshit for so many reasons
1) Sony had this sort of bullshit clause exactly because they didn’t part ways amicably with Kaguya
2) A “non compete” clause would bar KSon from being a vtuber at all, not from collabing with Holos
3) I genuinely doubt KSon would **want** to collab with Holos this short after graduating. She would NEVER be able to shake off the “Coco” name and establish as her own self if she did, she would forever end up being “the artist formerly known as Coco”
4) She is busy enough these days to not have been able to pull any high profile collab so far, the highest profile up until now was her CB collab with Melody

There is a reason her recent collab was with Mel’s roommate and Choco’s roommate: they wanted to hang out on stream but most definitely didn’t want the high profile “return of the prodigal son” or the drama that would accompany

>>13025218
I'd allow her to collab with just Kanata. That'll make more positive rrats I think.

>>13023953
>If this happen, particularly popular characters will be inherited. So we might end up with Pekora or Marine 2nd gen.
The original roommates would have to be retired for over ten years or more and the character would have to get an updated design to fit the times. Thats the only way that it will work

>>13024945
they were able to debut 5th gen despite not finding people for those specific models though? those were unveiled months before gen 5

>>13024947
I would be ok with that as a fan

Can someone tell me where all these images come from? Been trying a few times reverse image searchers and they find nothing

>>13024945
>They couldn't find anyone for those two character designs
From that audition to now Hololive
>Debuted 5 JP streamers
>Debuted 11 EN streamers
>Debuted 3 ID streamers
I don’t think they would have any difficulty finding applicants.

>>13025231
Coco herself said she doesn’t want to reduce the seriousness of graduation by showing up too early or for non-huge events.

>>13025361
Gen 5 was set in stone about the time of that recruitment. The gen 5 designs were settle by then.

Face it, who'd want to be in hololive? The market is capped for female vtubers in Japan. There has only been 1 from the big companies in the past year and she's a numberlet that regularly gets under 1k. You guys act like there are a legion of candidates.

>>13025361
my rrat is that they wanted a duo like OkaKoro, but there werent any good enough pre-existing ones.

>>13025286
>rrats
>positive
Choose one

>>13025439
I was too lazy to type narrative ogey?

>>13025414
It comes from kind nip anons. This must be outdated tho, the most recent ones lost Mito at the top bracket.

>>13025429
>Face it, who'd want to be in hololive
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>I can’t breath
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>13025414

>>13025570
Yeah, that looks very old, 5 of the ones with 0 streams at the bottom have started streaming again.
Also, Ngo at 725, when she's the top Selejo? Must be from very early in the year.

>>13025429
>Face it, who'd want to be in hololive?
Yes... who'd want to be in the only JP Vtuber company that guarantees more than enough income to make this your only job?

>>13025631
pls don't bully our resident retard

>>13025570
I mean, it lists Gibara and Lulu, ofc it's outdated! It was already ancient when I first saw it, and I've seen a few more recent posted; But still no luck on finding where they come from or where they were originally posted.

>>13025743
>or where they were originally posted.
I assume 5ch and you likely can’t image search it and need you kana and kanji reps to find it

>>13025712
We don't know if that will be true for gen 6. There may be a straw that breaks the camels back. Not all of them make huge bucks from hololive. You have to deal with a lot of horseshit and be worked to the bone for that price. Maybe Cover gets a lot of applications from lazy hikkineets but are those any good?

>>13024463
this.

>>13025570
>>13025673
>>13025743
Here is the October 2021 one. Ok Ta easy to figure out, it’s the first one with Mito under 10k

>>13025633
what does this measure? hours?

>>13026036
Median of peak CCV, if anon didn’t fuck up

>>13026027
thanks, thought i had it too, but all i still have saved is Sept 2020.
By most accounts the last good month for Nijifemales.

>>13025908
You are absolutely delusional. On referrals from the current roster alone they could easily make 20, 30 top of the field hires.

Hell, IRyS could easily be a JP6 or even say no to Hololive at all given how big she is.

>>13025633
>people with 10-30k ccv in 1 category
That looks disgusting.

>>13025429
so youre a schizo ok that makes more sense

>>13026209
It’s to match the old Niji tiers like in >>13026027

>>13025633
is this from October too?

>>13026179
Seeing Sasaki, Lulu, and Gibara at the very top is nostalgic. 14 talents averaging over 10k not to mention a relatively healthy mid-card. Goes to show how much the balance of power has shifted.

>>13026209
Oh wait that was accurate? Guess I always see Okayu's weaker streams.
Also time to post: Matsuri...

>>13025633

>>13022737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elzVW-M94Jc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKP3PQeyyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKP3PQeyyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKP3PQeyyA

2k waiting, EU hour
Has chicken finally lost it? We shall see

>>13026321
>14 talents averaging over 10k not to mention a relatively healthy mid-card
It's an arbitrary line. There is still plenty of health.
>>13026210
>On referrals from the current roster alone they could easily make 20, 30 top of the field hires.
How many would say yes?

>>13026340
Here is October 2021, in numbers, both companies.
That Okayu number and the whole chart must be median of peak CCV

>>13026519
20:30 CET hours 11:30 PST
It's just a premiere though.

>>13026027
Was finally able to find sites that host these ranking images, thanks anon

From those wondering and/or lurking the archives in the future, look up にじさんじ【同接中央値】, nijisanji-biyori usually has a lot of them

>>13026589
>How many would say yes?
I would say more than enough for JP6 and a handful of “not now; but JP7 for sure”

>>13026592
Mean average, I surely mean (pun intended)

>>13022119
>With all of that said none of them are even close to Sana, the lowest performing member of Council so trying to compare them in the same universe is something not even worth the charting time.
I like the figure someone in the last thread said: Sana has about as many streams over 5k as NijiEN has as a whole. That is with a 4 week break break, so only 36 streams.

>>13026648
Remember to fetch it from there and bring it here, and vice versa

>>13026592
>nene 2nd in her gen and only behind botan by a thousand and a half
literally how could you think you're the runt of your gen with that

>>13026592
It was the first 10 days of November iirc

>>13026865
> s-subs don't matter!
Anons keep saying this while the girls are crying about them.

>>13026865
The idol industry had broken her. Botan should give her some of her chill.

>>13026865
A lot of talents seem to care a lot more about subscribers than CCV and in that she is at least 50k behind the others girls.

>>13026865
People don't compare themselves to the 20k literally whos who'd sacrifice their first born for triple digits, she compares herself to the best performers in the industry.

>>13020067
Fubuki has always been one of the biggest supporters of Hololive, and anyone who has been around since before EN knows this. She is the actual representative of the girls, numbers aside.

>>13026865
She outrank fucking Mito and is crying. How “numberrotten” is her brain?
>NENE, COME TO THIS THREAD! IT WILL SOOTH YOU!

>>13026865
It's the subs I assume. Casual nips and most people outside of /here/ tend to look at subs as the end-all, be-all metric. Even Holomem are guilty of this. It's why a flopper like Harden got into the top 75 and was tauted by some dumbasses as the best offensive player EVER. It's because all they saw was his numbers and they didn't really dive into how he got them and under what circumstances he played in. So now they all act shocked once scamgod got exposed with the new rules.

>>13027126
>Harden
Who?

>>13027109
It helps that she was the number powerhouse for a good while before Gura stomped everything in her path.

>>13027126
Subs would still matter to this thread if Hololive didn't whomp Nijisanji on astronomical levels, Myth does it to everyone too. Just saying. This thread narrows the spectrum of what matters only to have a debate, if we cared about subs and total views from VODs we'd be having way shorter conversations.

>>13026936
She should ask Gura for some of her, shark will be more then willing to lose a million or two.

>>13027126
The subs is also better metric to "show concern" for Nene. It will be bad to show concern on SCs which she's good at earning.

>>13027174
Gomen, anon. My inner /sp/ came out again

>>13027350
It's funny that Gura could lose a million subs and still be miles ahead of everyone else in hololive nevermind nijis.

>>13027174
Harden deez nuts

>>13027126
pekochan, please teach your kouhai a lesson about numbers

>>13027115
Or break you, depending on the day she would visit.

>>13027384
>>13027388
Is it that suspiciously moorish looking bearded fellow?

>>13027390

oh for fucks sake this shi with Nene is literally a fucking timeloop. she is overworked and numbers have only been a footnote in her rant yet people blow it up again. same shit as jp new anons

>>13027522
What hologra is that?

>>13027545
This is the number thread dude, of course we will focus on the number part of her rant.

How has Kagura Mea been doing on bilibili these days? I know she's pretty much dead in the water on Youtube, but has she retained the amount of income that made her choose bilibili in the first place?

>>13027522
kek

>>13027545
Maybe she shouldn't take on so much. I mean it's not like she'll lose her job if she just chills all day every day.

I wouldn't expect her to care about numbers considering she's a mental patient.

>>13027570
thats retarded. its litteraly focusing on something that schould not matter instead of talking about numbers

>>13027496
The one that acts like he just got shot by a .45 everytime anyone gets near him? Yep.

>>13027294
> can't get subs
> "s-subs don't matter!"
> can't get VODs
> "V-VODs don't matter!"
> can't get CCVs
> "C-CCVs don't matter!"
> can't get numbers
> "Num-numbers don't matter!"
It's literally "sour grapes"-posting. The last samurais do this a lot, but to a much smaller degree than nijiniggers.

>>13027690
she did say that she will take some days off to go to TaoTao which usually means visiting her parents

>>13027712
Are you mentally ill? How the fuck is talking about numbers and in this case how it affects one of the talents something that should not matter?

https://youtu.be/-WpFMbkXKRg?t=229

>>13028048
Too bad Gura seems uninterested in streaming FF14

>>13027996
because people are blowing it up and ignoring the main cause of Nenes trouble. that's like focusing on a player haircut and how it make him miss instead of the broken leg he has

>>13028083
She prefers the DMC franchise, which doesn't bring as much number as FF franchise.

>>13026179
How the fuck did Niji go from 14 talents above 10k to only 4 in the spam on a year?

>>13028098
But with your analogy, this would be the haircut thread.

>>13028098
In this case it would be like the haircutting thread talking about the player's haircut and how it affects his plays, which is absolutely something on topic.

>>13028169
Keep in mind that's before the Youtube view change, so lop off about 1/3rd of their average just by default. Anyone not above like 13k would fall below 10k even if they were streaming to the exact same number of people. Also 2 of them outright quit.

>>13028148
DMC is a death sentence to her average.

>>13028098
anon, if you want to discuss other parts of this situation then numbers there is nene global, I suggest you go there.

>>13028451
Even if you add 30% to everyone in that list that would only add 4 more nijis to the 10k average, even with 2 extras to make up for the two that left would still be only 10 chubas at 10k average, 4 less than a year before. How the fuck did that happen?

>>13028621
So much this, it's ridiculous that someone is saying that we should stop talking about numbers in the numbers thread.

>>13028203
>>13028229
>>13028621
my point is that the discussion of it here is fucking pointless and ends up creating a image of Nene that just isn't real

>>13028748
Your point is shit and you should fuck off if you don't like people talking about numbers in the numbers thread.

>>13028698
Vtubing going down from it's apex in late 2020 and anyone who likes girls moving over to hololive. There has been a 42% drop for Nijisanji females and a modest increase for Nijimales. Makes me wonder why Hololive has only poached one Nijifemale.

>>13027579
Bad.
https://vup.darkflame.ga/ranking/month/2021/10?sortby=participant - 38k yuan in October
https://vup.darkflame.ga/ranking/month/2021/11?sortby=participant - 13k yuan in November
Also who the fuck is that girl who managed to get 2 million yuan in November which is basically three times more than Rushia/Coco get in a month?

>>13028698
A year is a long time, a lot of shit happens. People get more or less popular. A few of those Nijis are significantly more popular now then back then, even with the view cut. Same with Holos, some that were getting 10k back then aren't now, and some that were only moderately popular (Suisei, Subaru) have inclined. I don't know enough about Niji to say why those particular ones dropped so much, but overall I think as far as female streamers in Japan go, Hololive has just gotten so big it's not left much on the table for anyone else at this point.

>>13028796
They didn't really even "poach" her, she was nothing special in Nijisanji, she dropped out and took a gamble on getting into Hololive on her own initiative. I wouldn't rule out either of the two big names that quit turning up in Gen 6 though.

>>13028796
Hololive did not poach her she left.
>>13028917
Lulu is dedicated to showing her face now, Gibara wants to play with IM@S seiyuu and kind of shat on vtuber fans, I can't imagine her going back in a company that would give her more crap for not sticking to a single bit of kayfabe

>>13028917
Didn't one already resurface as room mate? I honestly doubt it would happen, imagine the shit storm it would create.

>>13028852
She gambled on the chinks and they're turning their backs on her...

Elira doing a endurance click thing
probably 3-4k

>>13029003
Both did.

>>13029064
It's those two that were playing Apex with Kson right?

>>13028917
>I wouldn't rule out either of the two big names that quit turning up in Gen 6 though.
Nah, for that to have any chance they would be keeping a lower profile now.

>>13028852
>Alice Nijisanji is among the top dogs
Interesting.

>>13029077
Your roommate reps…

>>13028860
1 year in the entertainment biz is like 5 years in any other. There are so many hungry, talented people out there you can get Wally pipped at any moment.

>>13029003
Anon, two of them are streamers now, Gibbers just covers her bottom half of her face. Lulu is back to playing games and last thing I saw of Gibara she was showing off her room full of loli posters.

>>13028917
Naw. It is interesting that Cover eliminates two positions in the company around the time both of the crawled out of the woodwork. Coincidence? 100%. Will I choose to believe they are connected? 100%.

>>13029177
>loli posters
That shit doesn't fly in Hololive. No pedos allowed, Hololive isn't lolisanji.

>>13029181
They advertised those "positions" waaaaaaaaaaay the fuck before those two left.

>>13029181
Those designs are gone, did you even read the announcement?

>>13029101
She’s probably the only one from Nijisanji JP streaming there both exclusively and regularly these days, she appears in a lot of concerts too. Others either just restream or don’t stream there at all.

>>13027294
Subs matter of course but they only matter because higher sub count means more people are getting exposed to your content more regularly. You see plenty of one hit wonder channels with around 1k subs but a video with over a million views, if people subscribe it means more consistent views over your content rather than the Youtube algorithm picking a winner every now and then.

The converse can also be true. Channels with huge sub counts can have low numbers.

>>13029244
That doesn't mean they filled them in 2020.
>>13029297
Then the artists who made them are probably seething.

>>13029357
>Then the artists who made them are probably seething.
They got paid for the design and got acknowledgment from Cover in the dismissal post.
One of them will likely be a “mama” for a JP6 design too, maybe both

Good numbers from Elira,
Clearly demarcating herself as NijiEN #2

I'm Pomu

>>13029119
You don't even need to do reps, just listen to the voices..

>>13029432
Nina likewise, good numbers

>>13029487
the voices in my head? what about them

>>13029432
>>13029435
Today, Pomu. Tomorrow, Sana

Maybe the branch isn't slow and steady but a few of the streamers can raise the bar.

>>13020578
what if Ayame is the witch that conducts the black magic?

>>13029435
https://playboard.co/en/video/kTiL1r_InEg
I'm Hololive covers ranking channel.

>>13029357
Suspiciously enough, Kakage and the other artist have been quite amicable with Cover's decision to scrap the designs. Which makes me believe that he got given a slot as a holomama for JP 6 which is probably one of the more high profile commisions in the industry right now. Whoever gets picked for it definitely will see a ton more work or visibility once the designs get revealed. My personal dream of course is still to get Nasu to create a saberface holomem just to see what kind of reaction it would generate everywhere.

>>13029432
She's cheating with the Pomu buff.

>>13029432
Stream something creative and get good numbers, it’s easy. All of them can do it if they wanted.

>>13029052
>>13029435
>>13029432
>>13029503
NijiEn are mostly grinding hours now days. They stream for like 4-6 hours but results arent as good. Their ccv gets a little higher by putting endurance on the title but dont feel like is having a long term effect since even with 3-4k vod the total views seems to be sub 40k or sub 20k for the runts.
i dont think streaming for long hours works on youtube

Current total CCV for NijiEN is just below 5k with Finana and Reimu coming in soon. Let's see if they can finally breakthrough the 7k barrier.

>>13029555
>a saberface in hololive
maybe one day anon, here is a (You) to keep that dream going

>>13029574
All of HoloEN debuted with a silver spoon in their mouth, don't shit on NijiEN for putting the work in.

>>13029635
Isn't it above 8k a few days ago, or we are talking about normal days

>>13029635
They did the other day, 8.5k. It's a humble gain but a gain none the less.

>>13029690
It was 8.1k anon. The 8.5 is when you combine all the peaks together. Peaks which occurred at different times. This context is very important.

>>13029662
That’s poor people talk. Have you ever tried to stop being poor?

>>13029662
Is more about the state of streaming on youtube.
The only way to get disocvered on tweitch is to stream for long hours since most people will never find your channel if you arent streaming.
Youtube is a different beast tough, streaming long hours dont seem to be as effective.

>>13029669
Normal days. It's not like they haven't gotten above 8k before, even discounting debuts. It's just that they normally can only do it for hyped up events which in the previous case pretty much had to include everyone in NijiEN.

>>13029780
Algorithm love is the main way to make it.

>>13029227
You can't spell Hololive without loli.

>>13029546
>kiara at #1

>>13029826
i wonder if there is another way to get into the algorithm beside clippers.

>>13029662
As a holobro I unironically agree.

>>13029555
Nasu is the writer of FSN, Takashi Takeuchi is the artist who makes all the saberfaces

>>13029662
All of NijiEN debuted with a bronze spoon in their mouth. Working hard =/= working smart. Even the smaller corpos are getting closer and closer to NijiEN numbers each month.

>>13029764
NijiEN is graded on a curve, to do anything else is disingenuous. I will treat them like big boys once they have 1 streamer get a higher median CCV than 1 HoloEN member for an entire month. The closest it has ever been is Selen at 3k~ compared to Sana's 5k~

>>13029826
Just do what Sodafunk did. Parasitize the Hololive train with clips then when you reach enough subs transition into being a vtuber yourself now you've collected a nice amount of people who watch your channel and are interested in vtubing

>>13030117
How is NijiEN supposed to do that?
That's the clipper route, not the corpo route.

>>13030030
Yeah, my bad. I forgot the mushroom is the one in-charge of scenarios while Takeuchi creates as many variants of his waifu as possible.

>>13030170
Do a cover of Ahoy, Reflect, and RIP like what the KR group does.

>>13030170
we're not here to help you niji intern

>>13030202
I can bet you their management is way too proud to rely on leeching on Hololive like that.

>>13030202
Someone post that screenshot of Lain's chat to show this innocent soul what nijiniggers are like.

>>13028852
>who the fuck is that girl who managed to get 2 million yuan in November
A-Soul member

Current total for NijiEN is around 6.5k as of the moment.
>>13030202
I don't think NijiEN management would do it. Pride is in fact a thing and since there's no established relations between NijiEN and HoloEN like there is for NijiJP and HoloJP, "leeching" would basically be an admittance that their in the lower part of the food chain. Not that there's anything wrong with that since the term "leeching" has been overused already. But the optics I assume wouldn't be good, either for the management and/or the talent.

>>13030242
Something something chinese investment.

>>13030250
NijiJP doesn't watch NijiEN. The fanbase of NijiEN consists of chink leaves and SEAniggers. NijiEN is already doing Holo-lite moves with their first three waves and collab bans. Leeching further won't hurt them at all.

>>13030412
Will Selen stream? The only hope for good numbers.

>>13030202
I love how shameless it was by the Korean group. I can't even be mad, they went from not vtubers in July to top in the country in October by doing it. I can't wait for the SSS cover.

>>13030435
>collab bans
The what? They do?

>>13030527
The fact there are 100% open about and apparently legitimate Holofans means they get to leech shamelessly without significant backlash. Cover must be conflicted. They are helping grow the KR scene for sure and acknowledging Hololive as #1 but this is another level of leeching

>>13030612
Theres a 1 month ban for out of branch collabs or something for NijiEN.
Millie got smacked down by her manager for trying to break it.

>>13030612
>The what? They do?
Anon, I…

>>13030612
They don't have internal collab bans but they can't collab with the other branches for like a month (they actually can't pay the collab fees until their first month's earnings get processed by Youtube)

>>13030612
Millie had to delay a NijiID collab by a week and said that she got bonked by management because it was during the collab ban.

Just notice that it has been a year since the first Hololive cover ranking.
https://youtu.be/ZA8ZMoAScyM
Yep, the first top 1 is also KING.

* Current NijiEN numbers *

>>13030783
>7k
kek

>>13030783
The cap for normal days is still 7k it seems.

>>13030759
And this is original ranking :
https://youtu.be/iaxcqqiQxDE
RIP still had >500K after released 2 month

>>13030930
>1 endurance
>1 collab with wacto in spanish
i wouldnt call it normal

>>13030933
How did this channel win the ranking channels wars?
Oh, it was a Niji channel before. That explains it.

>>13030759
November 2020
Top 30 -> 27k views
Top 25 -> 38k views
Top 20 -> 45k views
Top 15 -> 54k views
Top 10 -> 69k views
Top 5 -> 101k, 103k, 155k, 251k, 483k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiL1r_InEg
November 2021
Top 30 -> 63k views
Top 25 -> 69k views
Top 20 -> 83k views
Top 15 -> 106k views
Top 10 -> 151k views
Top 5 -> 243k, 287k, 319k, 417k, 612k

Even after the CCV culling, you can see that the audience for Hololive has grown.

The Ep.0 of Holo song ranking
https://youtu.be/M-AM4T1wLPM
Original+ cover total views.

>>13030933
hey dont forget to link the actual interesting one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4tOQLL93gs

>>13030527
Its the name of the game. Hololive used to leech like crazy off Niji and took every collab chance they could get. I remember once I was listening to a childrens book author and they spoke about how they used a pen name specifically so their books would appear on the shelf right next to another popular series of the same genre. Its how you play the game.

>>13031264
J.K. Rawling?

>>13031080
Rushia's Hana ni Bourei and Towa's Error has stable numbers. Mio's Sparkle actually increase the number

>>13031080
Audience for songs specifically has grown.

There was a big boom around Christmas for the HoloFest, then a permanent 2nd boom around the Bloom festival.

The song numbers have seen a dip compared to this summer though.
Back then you needed 55k to even enter the top 50, and 250k for the top 10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5uN6rWrETs

>>13031000
Some people are hustlers, nothing but respect from me since I'm a numberfag.

>>13031406
both of those, along with Okayu's flos, Aqua's dadadadatensi and Pekora's dhisukomyuseizin used to be 100k staples too, but have declined these last 2 months especially.

Possibly the girls are still getting the same number of weekly listeners, but they all have more songs now, or there are more covers of that song.
For Mio though, no song came up to replace Sparks yet.

>>13031000
They tried a Niji song ranking channel too i think, since it had the exact same font and animations, but it was getting sub 5k video views and i guess it disappeared.

>>13031879
Nijilords have their own channel that gets a ton of views. I'm not sure how the cover song numbers compare but I remember it's feast or famine.

>Leos <3.5k
Man, Edengumi's debut week feels like such a fever dream now. I actually had him pegged as Nijisanji's Korone or Aqua. Everyone here in /#/, including me, was hailing Edengumi as the new Holofantasy but now...
>Rin <600
If only Rin knew how to train her Kaigainikis when Pewdiepie threw her a bone. History reallly is molded by so many small yet consequential decisions.

>>13022119
Not the "slow and steady" schizo, but this chart kinda surprised me. While I don't watch Niji that often (mainly Selen and Rosemi), I thought that if we don't count Ethyria, NijiEN would be inclining instead. I genuinely didn't expect to see that most of them have actually been going down.
I remember seeing plenty of big numbers (well, in NijiEN standards, so 2-4k) from NijiEN members other than Selen, i.e Elira here >>13030783 . I guess that might just be a kind of confirmation bias and it actually was just viewers moving around due to a more spread-out schedule, then

>>13031762
I noticed a drop for Towa's covers, Bocca de la Berita and Error, after Hearts was released, they were stable on the ranking, now Bocca isn't even in the list. Towa needs more covers and more popular ones with some good advertising to kick start the algorithm if she is to work her way back to early 2021 when she had up to 4 in the rankings. She won't.

>>13031762
The thing with covers is that they are linked to all previous song releases by that chuuba. As in if a new song is released it will pump the others as well since they either get recommended when you listen to the new song, or it follows on auto play. A typical example of this is Pekora, with the release of her latest cover, all Pekora covers and related to her had a surge. The more songs you have the bigger this effect is.

>>13032134
I remember those weeks being full off "It's just a debut buff anon..." "Wait and see a few weeks..." "Let it stabilize." But it was fun none the less, great to see big numbers from new faces.

>>13032233
Not really.
We looked over the numbers a couple of weeks ago when talking about Watame's originals and this is pretty much only true in the long run for Mori and Suisei.
Everyone else sees a small surge first week, then a drop in numbers for all older songs/covers as listeners flock to the new ones.

>>13032134
>the new Holofantasy
Slooowww down anon
We called them the Niji5, as in same race to 100k subs as Holo5 and maybe similar ccv, but then... summer ended.

Ina has contributed an EN participation with her 10k drawing stream. Can Fauna and Sana followed up? Find out in an hour.

>>13029555
Kakage is basically Towa's second parent anyway. She even calls him papi

https://youtu.be/ZfEyqFC4U0g
more animation

>>13022119
>Something happened for her in mid September
I believe that was when she was doing a bunch of APEX collabs + her first APEX tourny

>>13028852
After the holo purge, the chink chuubas went hard on the market that they left off. Aside from Kamitsubaki, lots of JPchuuba got overthrowned by the chinks own

>>13032307
>>13032486
Maybe I was misremembering(?) or there were more trolls farming for (you)s back then than usual which skewed my perception? Regardless, Leos and his speedrunning autism really did make me think that him and his wave was gonna be something special.

>>13032438
A Summer renaissance feel like the leaves of a tree into an Autumn of withering. Let's hope it's won't be a hungry Winter. This thread once flourished, now it is just shitting on Nijisanji and bullying NijiEN midgets.

>>13029662
>NijiEN
they are no different, only at smaller scale, the audience are honorary holofags

>>13032134
>Everyone here in /#/
no, >we werent

>>13032574
lmao if this was a fan-made game, it could become another Mr. Koro

>>13032136
>I thought that if we don't count Ethyria, NijiEN would be inclining instead.
You may have missed this chart. I plotted NijiEN vs NijiEN minus Wave 3 (among other things).
Wave 3 didn't help their numbers at all, it even depressed the existing waves

>>13032645
It probably will be for Nijisanji in this thread. The only hope now is if Wave 4 actually gets some traction but seeing who the possible candidates are (Elira/Pomu's circle) I kinda doubt it and it may just open up NijiEN to even more dogpiling

>>13032590
>I believe that was when she was doing a bunch of APEX collabs + her first APEX tourny
I assume it was collabing with Kanae

>>13032486
you can call me a nigger if Sana gets 10k today.

>>13032645
>shitting on Nijisanji
False? Even Lize and Kizuku are getting praise

>>13030242
>>13030412
Why wouldnt they? There's nothing wrong with it. Holo and niji has a good relationship. They might be rival but they always push or shill each other in the past. But of course unlike JP, omegafag would never let anyone getting even a single crumb from his EN table

>>13032551
She calls him Pami. She calls her Mama "Mami". So she started calling Kakage Pami after he became a "mama" to a those now scrapped Hololive characters. He does a lot of work for her music MVs, art and animations and other miscellaneous art too but that's about it. All her outfits are still designed by rurudo.

>>13030202
Haven't been able to find those covers, man

>>13031000
There used to be a similar one (or this same one?) for niji but it got Copystriked

>>13032963
>omegafag would never let anyone getting even a single crumb from his EN table
Thanks based OmegaAlpha, she is as cute as she's smart

>>13032873
We don't know if Evil God Korone is still a buff.

>>13032980
I know, I mistyped.

>>13032134
Rin, siro, has their chance. But unlike Kizuna and FBK they ignore it thinking that kaigai has nothing to do with nips, not realizing that youtube is an international platform and overseas incline = domestic incline. FBK was doing an absolute based job at capitalized and abuse the shit out of algo with her short memes that relatable to overseas viewers. Thank god FBK is a westaboo

>>13033054
Was it? Maybe you’re talking about the other one, but the one that was popular half a year ago was simply deleted by the author because some vtubers (Akina I think) didn’t like their songs being included there, so the guy decided to commit seppuku and wiped it all. What a waste.

>>13033300
Ah yeah was thinking about that one

>>13033300

Yeah, it was Akina. Kinda funny because there are some channels doing these cover/OG rankings and everytime a song with Akina is there the video just go ''...'' with a still image of the song until the next one comes in.

Good numbers for today's Ina drawing. Here is all of them

>>13033300
Nijis and squandering opportunities, pick a better duo

>>13033300
>>13033540
>Akina
How dumb can a person be? any explanation by the streamer on why?
Anti-numberfags can be dumber than numberfags sometimes

>>13033540
Doesn't she beg on reddit for noombas? Why would she throwaway free advertisement?

>>13033220
LMAO literally 90x her normal VOD views my god

There's another main Nijisanji song ranking channel now
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBXnBOvSLzjPUtwZBzs6PlQ
but it moved to posting once a month it seems.

>>13033603
Label was copy striking songs.
Go figure.

>>13033775
The VOD views jumped up a lot though.

>>13033853
not really, the 200-300k vod views are consistent with the other monthly 50 min tops.
Now they just lost the weekly videos, so, losing 4 x ~60k videos per month.

>>13029357
>Then the artists who made them are probably seething.
you really don't want to burn the Cover bridge now that they are a big boy. just look at mizuryu

>>13033220
Watame got 23k today. I'd call that a buff.

>>13029555
>get Nasu to create a saberface holomem just to see what kind of reaction it would generate everywhere
endless seething and shitposting, that's what it would cause