/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Islam will win in the west because of how badly women treat others
This is the final yab

>>12978880
it's also not going to be the last TT collab. I guran-fucking-tee it. I hate this type of dishonesty, either own up to it, tell the haters to fuck off and get new TT fans, or don't get involved with those faggots anymore, no need to make it a secret until it happens.

Stopped reading at >Mori knew how her fans would behave. She's said plenty of times, including in the podcast, that 80% of her fans are great and 20% of her fans are schizos who will bitch no matter what. She stopped giving a shit about the 20%beats last year, but she loves the 80%beats enough to schedule these events in a way that limits how much of this bait we have to put up with
So, it feels pretty great, thanks

>>12978880
Meds.

>>12979022
>tell the haters to fuck off and get new TT fans
She did. So you moved onto Kronii, but now she's on break, and you have nothing to pass the time with but lazy bait threads...

>>12978880
Mori always encourage her fans to be productive and pursue success, like she did with off with their heads. She doesn't have a problem with the majority of her fanbase, only with shizo sheeters and gachikois

>>12979102
seems like cuckoldcope

>>12978880
What a ridiculous rrat. Mori is an optimist that gives peptalks to her fans fairly regularly. You're retarded, sorry to say

>>12979306
Seems like projecting.

>>12978880
You could replace Mori with Ame, Ina, etc. and it would be the same.

>>12979207
I'm not even a fan of Kronii but thanks for generalizing me. I was a former fan as of yesterday.

>>12979663
and by former fan I mean Mori Calliope, just to clear things up if I'm not being obvious. Enjoy being associated with anitubers I guess, the EN vtuber fan base was tolerably despite being annoying but the ironic weeb fans that look up to these fags for anime opinions are just as annoying, if not more.

>>12979102
What about the 5%beats

>>12979726
Not that Anon but you really let this change what you like? Are you the type of person to have a friend but as soon as you find out they eat a flavor of ice cream you don't like, you block them from all contact and never speak to them again?

>>12979726
How new are you? Where were you when the first episode dropped?
I mean i can get by not liking them and still being a deadbeat but i am not gonna let this one stop me from enjoying her streams especially when they don't affect them in anyway.

>>12979843
Don't bother thinking like a normal person on this board

>>12978880
OP is a schizo and while I hate anitubers, I don't feel like giving her shit. But, OP has a point about this being unannounced, why?
Anyway, prepare yourselves for another flood of retarded newfags. Hey, at least it wasn't in Mori's channel so, good thing I guess?

>>12979843
>>12979924
>>12979936
Dad

>>12979961
>Anyway, prepare yourselves for another flood of retarded newfags
Is it really flood of newfags when they are just same people from the last time that don't even stick to watching streams anyway.
And her next stream Earthbound, that is gonna filter zoomers hard.

calli is a fucking normie that doesn't belong in this specific niche subculture
i watched some stuff of Ina's roommate and honestly she's way too fucking sweet and genuine to shittalk her fans
her apology also sounded pretty genuine, calli is just a normie with a shit attitude who influences the people around her in a bad way
i mean, what do you expect from a fucking rapper brapper fag

>>12979787
Came here just to post this.

>>12980051
Kys

>>12980255
As long as they stay in Reddit or at the very least Mori takes care of them, whatever

>>12978880
you left out her nonstop lust for collabing with men that her fans celebrate. and when she collabs with female holo members she is clearly a bored stick in the mud, to which her fans attempt to damage control with the excuse that she's "shy," but then in calli's male collabs she's a relaxed, confident, ball of charisma who giggles easily.

>>12980407
You really don't know what normalfag is if Mori is anything close to it.
>>12980781
>and when she collabs with female holo members she is clearly a bored stick in the mud
Watch the streams please.

>>12981053
A normalfag is any woman who outgrows the cunny

>>12981053
I did. I watched the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTTnA4MQkg0

I recall deadbeats becoming Coco antis because of this stream.

>>12981306
Jesus, are you still living on June
You could watch some recent ones you know like the Holodeath collab.

remember when Mori mogged Coco in Mario Party so hard that she graduated less than 24 hours after the collab was over

>>12981053
if you think she's not a normie, then that means you're even more of a normie
sure, i'm an outsider, and perhaps an outlier. that means that to me, almost everyone is a fucking normalfag, these days that's even a lot of people on this god-forsaken site

>>12981759
she moved to japan to pursue the most niche, weeb, autistic genre of music that exists. she is 1000 levels beyond anyone on vt. its literally the most autistic and anti-normie move anyone in hololive ever pulled

>>12978924
Inshallah, brother.

>>12981759
So what do you count as her being a normalfag?
Her moving to Japan for making niche J-rap isn't very normalfaggotry in my opinion.

>>12978880
>Deadbeats
You know, this is one of the shit that has always bothered me. Of course they're going to argue that it's just a pun on her being Death and music, but if you take into consideration that it's targeted at EN culture then there is no way she didn't know about this.
It'd be the same if Sana decided to make a pun out of Infinity and Galaxy and call her fans Infiniggas or Niggalaxes or something. There's no way you'd ignore this.

>>12978880
EVERY single vtuber thinks their fans are pathetic losers, it's just that some hide it better than others. The same could be applied to idols in general.

>>12981053
>>12981759
A lot of people don't understand that a woman having no social skills means exactly nothing.No one cares if a woman rambles autistically, if females look like Calli does, that is ALL that matters. She's a fucking Stacy because everyone in every room she enters wants to use her to bust a nut. Personality need not apply when you're playing on easy mode.

who is Connor
the north american talk show dude or the dude that looks like a turtle without the shell?

>>12980407
>her apology also sounded genuine
That's what she wants you to think, and you're retarded enough to fall for it. It was damage control. No more, no less. If she didn't mean it, why would she even say that in the first place? She said it, realized she fucked up, and "apologized" so as not to lose fans and money. Seems like you're overdosing on copium.

>>12981917
fucking retard, brapping rap is the most normie garbage thing you could do. and beyond that, she just tries to emulate the outsider culture, but it's a facade. a hopelessly failing facade to any authentic outsider
you wanna talk about outsider music?
unironically explore some classical music. Bach's fugues are a good start, if your normie brain has an attention span of more than 2 seconds of course, these days that makes you a million times more niche than any fucking japanese weebshit you could think of
fuck off, normie, and don't come back until you've developed some authentic taste

>>12982228
>>You know, this is one of the shit that has always bothered me. Of course they're going to argue that it's just a pun on her being Death and music, but if you take into consideration that it's targeted at EN culture then there is no way she didn't know about this.
are you fucking retarded. what level of ESL is this that you have riddled out she knows what deadbeat means
this fucking fanbase man. unreal

>>12982228
pretty based fan names you got there, i also like IRyStocrats

>>12980407
>calli is a fucking normie
Lmao

>>12982281
do your reps and watch some of the streams from before she was ina, then come back, moron

>>12982325
one of the most reddit posts ive ever seen on this website. honestly, respect

>>12982228
Second option would have been Calliopeople.
Stop being so autistic about names.
Mori seems to be most over analyzed person on this board. Is it really just because she is from here?

>>12982325
Extremely retarded post

>>12982578
its because shes not a high pitched uwu anime girl who has a passion for something more than streaming. thats literally it and no other reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AII31u5V59M
This entire song she takes breaks from singing the song to shittalk her fans and snipe at Deadbeats.

>>12982333
You sound like a nigger
>>12982556
You're both redditors

>>12982556
>>12982641
>hurrmurrhurr durr imma such niche and edgy i browse 4chan and watch vtubaah hurrdurr
>we haz such good taste amirite broos lmaoooz
when confronted with authenticity, you screech, like a demon facing a cross
a true outsider is one who understands and appreciates classical culture and depraved weebshit
a true outsider unifies the opposites into himself
>he doesn't think like us! mock him!
you will prove my point, I am more of an outsider than you. you fucking sheep try to fit in, in a place like this, and you don't even see the retarded hypocrisy in it
fucking lmaooooo

>>12982325
it must suck ass being you man

>>12983051
Shan't be reading of that shit
>>>/reddit

>>12983051
idk man you just read like you deserve to die in your sleep. good luck

>>12983051
10 epic updoots for you sir

>>12983051
Why are antis always such a chuunis?

>>12983097
actually no, it's pretty comfy

Remember when Deadbeats were jerking off at the thought of Calli collabing with Cr1tikal?

>>12982325
Anon while I agree with you I could never associate with your retardation and autism

>>12978880
>tfw you realize when Connor mentioned on stream about vtubers making fun of their fans off camera
When was this?

>>12983278
Nah but i would say he is based just for telling collabbeggars to fuck off.

>>12983176
your post shows you have a pretty good mental health, wishing death on random people
i think you should take your meds, because vtubers aren't actually your gf, sorry bro
alternatively, make an appointment with your therapist

>>12978924
amin, brother

>>12983482
it's /vt/ no one here has any reasonable level of mental health. The fact that this place is 50% bait threads that everyone keeps biting and then coming back for more is proof enough of that.

>>12983482
>your post shows you have a pretty good mental health, wishing death on random people
Not him but that is literally just internet kids. Why are you even arguing with kids? You should always just completely ignore posts unironically using garbage words like kys and so on.

>>12983051
I can't read this without picturing a katana and a fedora. Pure undiluted cringe.

>>12978880
Pretty good, she's not wrong

>>12982529
cope delusional fag, lurk mor

>>12983740
literally nothing better to do than shitposting this evening, which is nice for a change, watching comfy Kronii hollow knight vod
thanks for the reminder, though

Vtuber fans and Deadbeats especially are mostly cringy schizos.
t. Karen

>tfw you realize the TT podcast was never announced or promoted because Mori knew how her fans would behave
I really hate this slimy shit, Kiara did it too

>>12984360

>>12982325
>>12982333

>>12982233
So why didn't her rapping career took off?

>>12984503
Nothing slimy about it. It getting teased last time only didn't bring anything good and just shitposting.

>>12984503
>Kiara did it too
Did what? She was giving us live updates on the Nyanners / Vaibae situation.

>>12984736
Too niche. J-rap that she was into filters even hardcore weaaboos.

>>12978880
>How does it feel, Deadbeats, knowing your oshi hates you?

Good for her, I would hate being admired by you faggots as well.

>>12981759
i dont get this places obsession with normie labels, you guys really that proud of being fucking losers that you gotta invent a stereotype for average day people? talk about delusional, every human being on this planet is fucking off in someway and making a contest over how acceptable you are is rent free

the absolute state of ENshitters when shitposters can make rrats as believable as this

>>12982325
Fucking based and factual

>>12982228
>"i would like to thank all my Niggalaxes for the massive support."
>"howdy niggas! How u niggalaxes doing today?"
Why isnt this a thing? Why sana??

>>12982325

>>12985276
It would be factual if the rap that Mori listens was your average rap on Radio but it isn't.

You are not wrong anon, don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise

>>12978880
>tfw you realize the TT podcast was never announced or promoted because Mori knew how her fans would behave
She does this every single time she collabs with e-celebs, how the fuck you just notice it?

>>12985435
t.deadbeat

>>12985610
She did this with Milky as well though.

>>12978880
Good. FUCK CORPORATIONS FUCK MANAGEMENT FUCK CEOS FUCK SUITS FUCK YAGOO FUCK RICH SIMPS

>>12980407
>The high functioning autistic is a normalfag
Get lost tourist.

>>12978880
Realistically they ran a train on her right?

>>12983051
*teleports behind you*

>>12986181
They wish.
Look at gigcucks and Joyes wifes.

>>12979102
How bad of a fuck up you must be that there are 300000 people in your fan stead that are crazy? This is kpop fan numbers.

>>12979843
Ah but you see, Mori Calliope is not my friend. I don't even know her. She's just some bitch that used to entertain me. Throwing her to the wind costs me less than nothing.

>>12984736
because jap autists are too fucking pussy to use her pussy, unironically.

>>12987222
>fuck up
It's just because the way Mori is.
She attract a lot schizos.

>>12987930
Yeah, I wonder why. Since she is an aspiring nigger it must be socio-economic factors entirely beyond her control.

>>12988158
>aspiring japanese wigger
ftfy

Reading this thread I think that I'm starting to reach a conclusion: are deadbeats and Mori antis (also deadbeats) coming from Reddit?
All this talk about normies, the deflecting posts and “Calli” make me think that the people that still care about Mori by this point are unironically the cancer killing this board
Now I'll proceed to take my meds

>>12988370
>coming from Reddit?
Here's a little exercise for you.
Whenever you see a new thread being made with an image that you haven't seen, or a new rrat, go have a quick look at /r/hololive, and then compare the time. And I'm not talking about Mori threads, but /vt/ threads as a whole.

>>12988370
/vt/ was doomed to be a cancer from its very inception
you really fucking think that a board concentrating all the losers with nothing better to do than watching anime girls in one place was gonna result in anything good?

>>12978924
Inshallah

>>12979102
Thinking 20% of your fans are shitheads is pretty bad. She only thinks well of the remaining 80% because they kiss her ass and give her money no matter what she does which is honestly a horrible attitude.

>>12983482
I am perfectly mentally clear and of sound mind when I say you should die.

>>12983051
holy reddit, im putting a downvote on this!

The worst part about Coco retiring is that it distracted everyone from Mori being completely exposed on /vt/ as an absolute cunt. Most of the board had turned against her and anti threads were everywhere for days on end. Personally, I will never forget.

>>12988647
It's because the fag jannies refuse to let the board self moderate and actively shield the reddit cancer.

>>12988860
i'm so sorry, but i'll outlive you brother
i wish you a happy life even if that's gonna be difficult when you're poisoning your consciousness with such thoughts all the time

>>12988991
Okay, deadbeat. You will never be last deadbeat even if you try it.

>>12978880
I find it funny Mori auditioned as a joke and got in ahead of other people that tried their damndest

>>12988821
Even those among 80% have people who will criticize her when needed. 20% are the ones that were going schizo back in June.

>>12989148
yeah she went through that applications and the interviews as a "joke"

>>12989148
I think this is what irks a lot of people. An ironic weeb that (initially) didn't give a shit about this niche. It doesn't help that a lot of her fans are from reddit/TT who hate idol culture

>>12978880
>How does it feel, Deadbeats, knowing your oshi hates you?
"Based", we of all people deserve all of it.
t.you know fucking who

>>12989342
>ironic weeb
You don't even know what that means.

>>12978880
It'll never not be hilariously ironic that Kiara's the one that loves her fans the most yet she's the least popular HoloEN member only second to Sana. Meanwhile Mori's the one that hates her fans the most yet she's the most popular member only second to Gura.

>>12989438
>Meanwhile Mori's the one that hates her fans
ogey

>>12989206
If 20% of her fanbase is getting angry maybe she should stop doing it?

>>12989410
People who watch Trash Taste

>>12989594
They get angry at everything and try to control her they think is the best. It isn't just TT.

>>12989410
I don't know what to call this type of person, but it feels like it describes her

>>12988370
This is not exclusive to Calli. /vt/ was born as a Hololive containment board. Since Hololive is 100% Reddit now, that`s where most anons are coming from.

>>12989808
I mean she does like Shrek but it aint ironic.
Moving to Japan and trying to be niche j-rapper is far from being ironic weeb.

>>12990011
Is that the only weeb thing she has going?

>>12990011
>m-muh rap!! muh rap!!! muh visiting japan!!!!
visiting japan doesn't make you a weeb, wanting to make shit music doesn't make you a weeb, nor understand weeb culture
i've visited japan and i make music unironically, but that's not why I'd say I understand weeb culture. It's because I consume the media and have internalized the memes, references, use of language, and knowledge of media, all of that is lacking with mori who just wants to make shitty music

>>12990011
>wanting to be a j-brapper
Yelling oogabooga in a microphone isn't something that should be cultivated

>>12990436
ogey whatever you say.

>>12989148
It's actually a pretty huge humblebrag that she even brings it up, really.

>>12990529
Well that is why she moved to Japan.
You can disagree with her but that is what it is.

>>12987466
cope

>>12978924
holy based

>>12980407
>calli
go back

>>12990627
Hey, they asked back in first podcast and she answered

>>12979102
20% is way too fucking high

>>12990627
she didn't audition as a joke, she auditioned expecting absolutely nothing because she didn't think she fit
big difference
no one goes to a fucking job interview as a bit lol

>>12978924
wtf I'm muslim now.

>>12990707
>genmates refer to her as calli
>you must conform to the speaking habits of 4chan or else you are redditor
take meds schizo

>>12982272
The mc from assassins creed 4 bro

>>12980407
Not long ago there was a 3-way collab with Calli, Irys and the Rat. Irys and the rat spend most of the collab talking about video games, manga and anime, especially Inuyasha, and throughout most of the stream Calli was like: I have no idea what these girls are even talking about? lmao
Irys and the rat are straight up weebs but Calli's indeed just a normie.

>>12982325
90% of Classical music are absolute shit, written to be great when 'perform' on a stage, not to be good to 'listen' to.

give a clueless a Bach and a Joe hisaishi, 9/10 times they will pick Hisaishi without hasitation.
Modern classical beat the shit out of real classical everytime in term of being 'music'

>>12990893
Mori just is outdated in modern anime.
She likes stuff like Baki and Kaiji though.

>>12989043
I am inducing skin cancer into you with my negative energy so no, you won't outlive me

>>12990893
I like that you're relying on the length of the collab scaring people away from factchecking you, it's a decent shitposting tactic

>>12978924
Fpbp

>>12991071
>Inuyasha
>Modern anime
Scuse me?

>>12990874
That won't change that you slipped up, though. Sorry gatekeeping hurts your feelings.

>imagine being this mad

>>12978880
This post is schizo but just the fact mori is friends with the TT guys reflects poorly on her. They are basically giant leeches that provide no useful input and shill basic level "cool japan" garbage while also spouting reddit western takes.

>>12989670
I'm glad that there exists this percentage that allows narcissistic man-and-womanchildren to vent their daddy issues.
>FUCK YOU, DA-EHH CHAT! YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO, I'M MY OWN WHO-EHH PERSON!

>>12990893
Inuyasha isn't exactly a deep cut, and Mori had plenty to say, just not as much as Irys and Rat. She even had a non-obvious crush from the show (Bankotsu)

>>12991175
And that was one she was fangirling hard.
You would know this if you actually watched the stream.

>>12978880
>tfw you realize the reason Mori says blank supachats are sent by chads is because she thinks the shit her fans say is cringeworthy
And also because she can't be bothered reading them. She only has 5% to spare for Hololive, after all

>>12989342
Yet another case of a fanbase and their oshi mirroring each other. Like clockwork.

>>12991337
>daddy issues
Well you can be then sure that Mori isn't like that because she doesn't have daddy issues.

Would Mori be in Hololive if she had $300.000 in her pocket?

>>12978924
inshallah

>>12983449
when

>>12991497
But Mori is from here and hardly uses reddit.

>>12991261
I didn't slip up, this is just the first time someone is schizo and fucking deranged enough to chimp out over saying calli instead of mori
I mean, do you guys really?

>>12991759
It happens all the time on the schizo containment hlgg

>>12991062
retard lmao
Bach is the greatest, only idiots who don't know anything about music say otherwise. Even Beethoven or Rachmaninoff, while they're also incredible, don't even come close.
You haven't listened classical or studied music nearly enough for you to talk about music to me, lmao

>>12979787
rumao

>>12978880
I feel Connor is going to get a Holo girl fired one day

>>12993174
I hope someone gets really properly burned by one of the e-celebs they keep dancing around

>>12978924
Aamiin, brother

>>12984360
Meds now doxxbeat prime

for me it's kawaiiope mori, the best vtuber

>>12991337
>narcissistic man-and-womanchildren to vent their daddy issues.
Insane amount of projection coming from you
She's talked about how much she loves her dad multiples times

>>12991325
>This post is schizo but just the fact mori is friends with the TT guys
They're not friends I'm not sure why people keep insisting this, making corporate approved appearances doesn't not count as "being friends"

>>12990717
I feel like I remember her saying word for word "I applied as a joke" although I could be misremembering

>tfw you realize the TT podcast was never announced or promoted because Mori knew how her fans would behave
she explicitly stated she would do this after the last one newfag

>>12995790
>I remember her saying word for word "I applied as a joke"
She' legitimately never said this or anything to close to it
One retard twisted her words from "I applied not excepting to make it" to "I applied as a joke" and /vt/rannies have been parroting it since

>>12982325
>your music taste bad mine good
are you 12

>>12978880
>tt podcast less than 400 dislikes.

LOL how much same fagging you doing!

>>12978880
All in all great thread OP. 10/10 bait original and spicy.

>>12982228
Deadbeat just reflects the melatonin culture rap is from

>>12979102
>80% of her fans are great and 20% of her fans are schizos who will bitch no matter what
this is cringe af, she should be a chad like ame and call 100% of her fanbase lonely virgins.

tl;dr: I love my mori

You know this is exactly what the kikes that own tt want. They just want to take anything good and make it tiresome or political and burn through everybodies happiness. How much do you think vtubers make them seethe? I mean it's pure and simple Nihonjinron for shekels that aren't going to them.

>>12982228
Most based is still Gura who wants to call her cum buddies

>>12982228
>Infiniggas or Niggalaxes or something.
I would be Sana oshi and the prime niggalaxy if this was real

>>12978924
Kek Truly peak SEA hours.

I don't care if she hates the other fans as long as she loves me alone.

>>12982556
>>12983137
>>12983192
>>12988969
>I can't refute the argument, therefore reddit
I never understood this mentality.

>>12978880
>on the subject of her sub increase
>"I think a lot of it has to do with my music personally, I think that's where a majority of my fans come from"
Can't think I'll it through the 2 hr of that TT, much less those first 3 min

>>12982325
>outsider music
>literally the most widely known classical composer of all time

stop being such a poser

>>12993174
Let it happen, they’ll have no one to blame but themselves.

>>13009363
This. If the hologirls insist on interacting with meatspace and ruining their career, I'd say they earned it.
If it wasn't obvious enough after the backlash from Calli being on TT then they'll never learn.

>>12989983

>>12978924
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

>>12978880
>How does it feel, Deadbeats, knowing your oshi hates you?
They don't even talk about her in her own general, they be shilling their own indie no views.

>>12978924
Based

>>12979022
> it's also not going to be the last TT collab
Whoever would think that is delusional
It is a Fact that mori is more integrated as a friend in the TT group with their wives Sydney and Aki than Hololive, simply because of the fact that they can meet and talk offline

>>12982228
> Niggalaxes
My fucking sides
But for real fuck deadbeats

>>12991261
Nice nene you got there, would be a shame if one of my best friends trashed her for being unrealistic and 2D

>>12991759
>this is just the first time someone is schizo and fucking deranged enough to chimp out over saying calli instead of mori
dude please...i barely give a shit about ENs but even i know about the whole Calli vs Mori thing

I came into the thread expecting fun, mori anti activities. I am very dissapointed and my day is ruined. None of you redditors know how and what to post in an anti thread.

>>12978880
I don't watch her but I have to say that's a pretty good disgusted look, though I think it's more expressive than the original and it's missing something.

>>12982325
Classical music is fine, but post-rock and "i"dm is what really gets me going. This said, I think pigeonholing yourself into a few genres is the most "i really need an identity" thing you can do.
Truthfully, I've found a fuckload of wonderful pieces in any kind of genre. Some of the artists I like are even pretty popular, some of them literally whos.

>>13010792
Show us how it's done, o king of antis

>>12998884
dislikes are the same thing as likes. Youtube uses it as a metric for engagement.

>>13010842
you know what fuck it I'm going to educate you newniggers on how its done. Take notes, posers.
First and foremost I see some lacking effort. 200 posts with 102 unique IPs is just embarrasing. Where the fuck is the heart? wheres the effort, huh? OP you fucking nigger, do your job of stirring the shit pot and keep spamming shit to rile up the hatred and the anti-posting done inside the thread. If (You) dont put the effort in whos gonna?
Reading the thread I come across shit like
>>12979204
>>12980817
>>12985726
>>12998884
>>13001072
why are all of these posts that are changing the momentum and/or trying to interfere with the antiposting going unpunished? Is it really that difficult now to reply with a "ok cuckbeat" or a simple "5% lol". Its not that fucking hard, I dont see any reason for letting the anti-anti corps put their dick in the thread without consequence. Thats the first mistake.
Secondly, why arent you stupid fucks escalating the situation? Thats the bread and butter of any anti thread. You need make the fucking Himalayas out of molehills. Make shit up it thats really whats needed. Wheres all the smart antis? Nobodys biting on "dude sex lol" and "x doesnt care about Hololive" jokes anymore.
THERES LITERALLY THREE FUCKING TIMES THE WORD "COPE" HAS BEEN USED THIS THREAD and not all of them were from the anti side. What the fuck is happening. This pathetic excuse of an anti-thread is worse at what it does compared to the fucking suisei x roberu thread. Think about that for a minute, all of you limp dick, zero effort, zero talent losers that call youselves Mori antis. You're letting the fucking deadbeats take over the thread. You know? The group that are supposed to keep their heads down and their mouths shut because their oshi is a whore?
And for the love of Australia stop arguing about classical music I fucking cant

>>12978880
>when Connor mentioned on stream about vtubers making fun of their fans off camera, he was talking about his friend Mori
He was talking about a lot of chubas and egirls. They are grifters, after all.
>Connor's Hololive rant to Mousey is actually reflective of his friend Mori's own opinion of the company
And everyone else's, as shown by Irys' pre-debut mogging of most vtubers just by being Hololive EN.
>when Ina mocked her fans for being losers during her collab with Mori, she was doing it to fit in with Mori
Even if true, it's no excuse. I have as much sympathy for chubas who insult my abatibebt kin as I would for a blasphemer who speaks ill of the prophet Mohammed.

>>13009227
Pretty sure counterpoint autism is less normalfag than weeb Hamilton.

>>12987466
>She's just some bitch that used to entertain me. Throwing her to the wind costs me less than nothing.
You're still a faggot and fuck you, but yeah fair enough dude. At least that's a healthy way to watch entertainment.

>>13011102

>>13011102
I'm pretty sure these aren't antis, just sad newfags. They didn't know that understand that Mori is a stupid bitch and now they have to find a way to cope.

>>12978880
Why are you reposting shitty bait posts that no one responded to in the main thread?

>>13011721
>They didn't know that understand that Mori is a stupid bitch
heh, ironic

>>13011872
>implying Mori didnt post that

>>13011721
yeah Mori is a stupid bitch but shes cute so its okay

>>12979102
Mori's fanbase has the most women, so of course it's constantly infighting and trying to bully people out. If not for that, Mori would probably be the most popular Holo.

>>13012114
source: anons femboy ass

Just watch what you fucking like you schizos, no need for conspiracy theories

>>12994294
They said they hang out together retard. Calli literally hangs out with dudes off stream and deadbeats fucking love the thought of her getting creampied by one of these assholes. She still never explained why she was at that hotel when she made an appearance on that call-in stream.

>>13012225
she was having sex with me (anon(me specifically(not you(not anyone else(literally just me(me))))))

>>13012268
weird, I dont remember posting this

>>12978924
HOLY FUCKING BAsed

>>13012225
>They said they hang out together retard
When?
>Calli literally hangs out with dudes off stream and deadbeats fucking love the thought of her getting creampied by one of these assholes.
Stop projecting cuck
>She still never explained why she was at that hotel
Watch streams retard

>>12978924
Big ups to Allah.

>>13012679
First, TT is done in person only, so both the podcasts were an off-colab.
Second, there was this exchange:

"Do you still talk to Calli?" - TT fan
"Yes, we hang out sometimes" - Conner

I'm afraid you are the cuck, deadbeat.

>Watch streams retard
She STILL never explained why she was at that hotel. She wasn't on vacation and wasn't recording anything.

>>13013203
see >>13012268

>>13013203
>yeah I watch TT
>no I dont watch Mori

>>13013203
>Podcasts guests are off-collabs
>THAT MEANS THEY'RE HAVING SEX

>>12978924
People would be surprised how close Islam and the old testament of the Bible are towards each other. But anyway, FPBP.

>>12978924
Fippybippy

>>13013319
>Assuming I watch TT
>Expecting a clip of a TT faggot telling their chat they hang out with Mori IRL not to get circulated around here

Imagine being this much of a newfag redditor coping about Callioffpako Whori.

>>12989438
Jesas Forsen. Dealing with 16yo kids and edgy manchildren for 8 years has taken it's toll.

>>13013609
imagine pretending to be a cool 4chin poster just to be outed as a TT redditor kek
got to bed pajeet, you're not fooling anyone

>>13013609
not that anon but (You) seem to be the only pathetic faggot angry at the bad pink woman itt. I'm just here to tell everyone that classical music is the most reddit music

>>13013203
>"Yes, we hang out sometimes" - Conner
If you're referring to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Riqw_AdYZE
This clip is from 7 seven fucking months ago, it seems pretty clear he's referencing first the podcast and seems more like he's talking about the entire entire staff eating out once or twice
They don't watch each other's content. they didn't even know about her songs and streams. I doubt they listened to any of her songs other than RIP. They didn't mention Your Mori or any of her songs or covers (which is a bit insulting) They asked questions that literally can be answered by any streamer / vtuber.
To say they're friends is such a wild leap in logic
>She wasn't on vacation
She literally was, not only do not watch streams, you can't even read fucking schedules

I really don't know how deadbeats can spin any of this in a positive way.
Mori continually hangs around people that shit on hololive and her workmates.
I just also don't believe there are enough black weebs to justify a rapper vtuber. The music is terrible and I can't imagine any normal person liking it.

>>12979102
The only thing she loves is the money

>>13014241
Classical music is made by old white men and anti-semites so it can’t be reddit.

>>13009227
Everyone knows the name but nobody has actually listened to him these days. It's even worse, just go around and ask the younger generations if they've ever listened Beethoven's 9th. You will see that classical is niche.
And also, the other anon is correct. Counterpoint is not mainstream at all, but you'd know that if you actually knew anything about this, retard

>>13010839
I know and enjoy more genres than you, moron. Bach is just objectively the best, study harmony and counterpoint for a bit, learn to play an instrument, then come back

>mori can't be at 6% and fuck up for longer than a month
so are her lows worse than Ame's?

>>13012141
Mori has a beautiful model, works hard on music, advertises herself, delivers kino ttrpg, and even does asmr and sometimes gfe.
The only reason she's not at the top is because Deadbeats have so many menheras actively making the community toxic.

Ok, here's the God's-honest cringe-inducing nightmare-fueled truth. We men want to have sex with Mori but we work thankless minimum wage jobs and have no way to provide a livable existence for her much less for an entire family with children. And so, if we were to join your membership with our wallets and thus impregnate your bank account, we would immediately have to start paying akasupas to you within a year. And if we miss a weekly akasupa payment due to a car repair or some other unforseen expenditure, then we can get thrown in jail with big black Death as our cellmate. Therefore, whenever we men think about having you as our oshi, our immediate next thought is thinking about Death's big black scythe anally disemboweling us in prison after we miss an akasupa payment and drop a beat. But hey, at least most of us haven't even been embarrassed on meme review yet so there is that silver lining.

>>12978924
Thread ended here.

>>13016195
nta, but come on. Everyone knows Beethoven's 9th. This is like flexing on someone that they never read Shakespeare because "their normie brain can't handle it". The reason it's not mainstream anymore is that it's old enough to have stopped being mainstream. There is an argument to be made about how rap lends itself to become very popular and mainstream, but there is barely a worse way to go about it than to bring up something everyone knows.

>>13016264
Her music is weeb trash that no one would listen to if not for Holo audience. No wonder she never succeeded in her PL.

>>12989438
Mori admitted it herself. She uses people to get ahead. She recently tried to fix that attitude, but who knows if it will stick.

>>12978924
Fuck off muzzie I ain't no pedo worshiper. Yeah that's right fags I'm breaking the combo. Fuck Islam.

>>13016264
>works hard on music
Too bad people only listen to her music because it's being made under Holo brand now, amirite

>>13014314
>the entire staff eating out once or twice
Damn, Mori's pussy is so stretched it takes the entire TT staff to eat her out?
>>13016264
one thing that is true. women off their meds are completely viciously unhinged, most of them never knew responsibility and can't handle themselves. that's why shitposting is mostly a male sport

>>13016264
Her music is trash though

>>13016426
They don’t know the 9th. They know the Ode to Joy. Ask them how they feel about Furtwängler vs. Toscanini’s interpretation and they will come up blank. Shakespeare is indeed an appropriate comparison, because much like literature, classical music is well known but nonetheless filters people. Unlike some music, the obscurity of the composer means nothing in terms of credibility while understanding the art is everything.
Also Beethoven’s 9th was never really ‘mainstream’. It was controversial because it was the first choral symphony and was far ahead of its time. The concept of mainstream is probably not applicable to the period because mass media didn’t exist, but a Rossini opera would probably be closer to popular taste than late Beethoven. His string quartets of that time in particular were far outside what anyone was doing.

>>13016616
>Damn, Mori's pussy is so stretched it takes the entire TT staff to eat her out?
What is it with cuckfags and making the most innocuous shit about sex?
"SEXSEXSEXSEXSEX" Do you have it on your mind and about other people so much cuz you aren't getting any yourself IRL?

hello I heard this was the classical music anti thread

>>13016959
>"SEXSEXSEXSEXSEX" Do you have it on your mind and about other people so much
Yes.

>>13016997
there's a huge difference between being horny and being obsessed with NTR

>>13016965
that, and the horny redditor containment thread

>>13017064
just call it a Mori anti thread, basically the same thing

Mori once thanked Trotsky in her superchat reading stream. I fully expect her to be a shit human being. Can't be worse than Kana though

>>13016466
>>13016525
I will never understand you guys drawing imaginary lines up in the sky for what is success.
20% of all songs on spotify have 0 listens.
One of my friends who has been producing this "super normie mainstream" cloudrap, 4 songs and pending EP + music video, has something like 7-20 listens per month. There are rappers in my country who have several videos with millions of views. With one exception, their listens per month range from 40 to 20000, and most of them manage to get a low 4-digit, which is less than Mori's PL.
Do you understand how ridiculous it sounds when you say stuff like "nobody listened to her old music" when her PL alone matches the popularity of the most popular rapper's supporting acts and features?

Kek'ing at people calling Mori a normie when she's one of the few holos confirmed /here/ and is an oldfag on top of that. roommate tweets reveal that she single handedly created an estimated 70% of all kill la kill memes on the Internet

>>13017324
Her music is still trash, sorry. Popularity has nothing to do with it

>>13017841
music is subjective so one can choose the method of determining whats trash and whats treasure. Sure, you might not like it but guess what? your opinion doesnt matter

>>13016868
>The concept of mainstream is probably not applicable to the period because mass media didn’t exist
Your reference material is already highly distilled because when a classical composer produced counterpoint garbage, it isn't conserved for anyone here to bring it up as an example, and it might just as well not exist to you. I believe that you have a very elaborate (technical) understanding of classical music, maybe you even play in an orchestra or so and that's great, but you have the luxury that your entire sample size is devoid of poorly made "normie tier" classical music because these turds don't exist anymore. Judging an entire field by the heaps of shit that are still popular parts of it but don't have the merit to survive centuries, especially when you don't have the level of understanding to tell apart a turd from a diamond, is simply ignorant. Again, come on, you're posing by pretending you understand music when centuries of people decided what's good music for you.

This board is comfy because of how shit the antis are
please never improve and also go back

>>13018034
>your opinion doesnt matter
Yours too. Her music is still trash though
>music is subjective
Go back to r.eddit

samefagging >>13018215
I come off as much more blunt than I intended to. I am sure you understand classical music and have a good technical understanding of what makes good classical music, but your ability to understand excellence is reserved to that field, and helped a lot by said filtering done for you already. But having that kind of knowledge is of course much more than I could ascribe to most people here. Definitely more than I can say about myself.

>>your opinion doesnt matter
>Yours too. Her music is still trash though
>>music is subjective
>Go back to r.eddit

>>13014314
Sad, I'd feel bad for your oshi that her "friends" don't care about her, but considering I hate the bitch for bringing in e-celeb faggotry, I don't really care. Sucks for you though cuckbeat.

>>13017473
Link to said twitter?

>>13017841
>>13018350
>Popularity has nothing to do with it
Exactly, so no one listening to it is not only wrong, it wouldn't matter if it were true.
>Her music is still trash, sorry.
And your frame of reference is what? Oh right, you just hate her because she did an interview. Guess I should hate MF Doom by that logic for making cartoon commercials and some cartoonis out there is probably a pedophile. The loops you people jump through to justify your opinion...

>>13017473
Being /here/ doesn't matter, besides you're still talking about roommate shit.

>>13010185
I kinda wish their gamble there had paid off because my girl Akane would be getting fat stacks of simp bucks, but alas...

>Being /here/ doesn't matter, besides you're still talking about roommate shit

>>13018485
>"If only everyone expressed themselves using only greentexts and soijacks like me!" He said to no one in particular.

>>13018215
>>13018458
'Normie tier' classical has survived: light music composers like Johann Strauss or comic operas by composers like Offenbach or Gilbert & Sullivan, which are arguably not classical going by the strictest definition. Classical music means Western art music—music for its own sake with an emphasis on pushing the boundaries of form and harmony, and a *written* tradition rather than merely a performance-based one. There is of course bad classical music, and most classical listeners have strong opinions about what it constitutes. Bad counterpoint actually has been conserved because of the written tradition. Some composers, like Chopin, who was predominantly a miniaturist, were not known for their talent for counterpoint. For example, his two-voice fugue here is not very good.
https://youtu.be/D0RrT6hMOgI
But he's far from the only great composer whose strength was not in counterpoint, since it was primarily a Austro-Germanic specialty that spread through Europe because of the dominance of the German tradition.
This is all off-topic but the point is that classical is easily one of the most autist-friendly categories of music. People know the names of composers and a few pieces that appear in popular culture but that doesn't really make it very accessible to normalfags.

>>13018698
>you just hate her because she did an interview.
Jokes on you, I don't even watch her streams or know much about her as a person. I just tried listening to her music and it was a genuine garbage, simple as.

>>13018974
>>you just hate her because she did an interview.
>Jokes on you, I don't even watch her streams or know much about her as a person. I just tried listening to her music and it was a genuine garbage, simple as

>>12978924
Catholic and Orthodox universally hate Protestant Retardation and Wagefaggery

>>13018997
Nice retort

>>13018935
I can't really argue much about what you're saying. I listened through some symphonies in my free time after they were brought up in conversations or I remember learning about them in school 5 or 10 years ago, but that's a far cry from familiarity, looking at the score of the fugue does nothing for me and I just barely know what a fugue is. There is no way I can put into words why the pace of the entire fugue feels off or why the first 36 seconds sound particularly unpolished to me (i.e. it gets better relatively speaking). I can't say much more than thanking you for taking the time to believably convey what's there to appreciate about it, even if it's off-topic.
>People know the names of composers and a few pieces that appear in popular culture
I guess that applies even more strongly than it applies to most genres that had their popular peak in the last 30 years, and the fact that what is popular changes so much says a lot about its casualness relative to traditional music. But I think that's also what makes it so hard to have any conversation with substance about what constitutes good rap or so, it always deteriorates into nieche vs. mainstream or one era or flavour of that genre vs. another. I have somewhat strong feelings about Mori's music because I listened to a lot of rap throughout my life and have the luxury that I have the German contemporary music culture as a frame of reference for somewhat different customs and culture (knowing like 3 other Japanese rappers doesn't constitute familiarity with their culture). Rap is mostly performance-based and that's very clear by how uncommon it is to cover or reinterpret someone else, but I think some of its merit is found in coming up with something that's "ahead" in how the rhythm and melodies fit together (composition, not the interpretation there of). But again, I have very little technical understanding of music in overall, my point was simply that the ratio of turds to diamonds is much higher when there wasn't enough time to develop the genre and filter out the turds.

>>12978924
Amin ya rabbal alamin.

>>13019038
Just for the record. I am the anon you responded to, but posting wojacks in response to anyone's post is retarded and I am not doing that. He did the same to my post >>13018808 so I think it's just a falseflagger, though I have no idea what he's trying to say, exactly.

>>13011721
holy ESL batman

>>13020090
That's not ESL, he just wanted to write "know that" or "understand that" in place of the other but forgot to delete it.

>>13016248
>lows
>going on a podcast requested by a large % of her long-time fans
>doing that while clocking the second most stream hours in a month and releasing 4 songs
...you good, my dude? you might need a break from this site

imagine watching HoloEN kek

>>12989808
Yup. This is the reason I broke away from her at the start of the year. Everything Mori does, she does with a layer of self-protective irony. But there's nothing much in there anyway, because she's not actually willing to go all out with most of the things she does. You can just look at most of her anime tastes, they're all popular niche things. She likes Madoka, but I doubt you could ever get her to watch an actual magical girl show. Same thing with her rapping career, which she's built her entire life around. It's all weird enough that people will leave her alone, but popular enough that they won't really question her about it. It's all very comforting.

Mori is a fundamentally dishonest and cowardly person. Of course she'll humble brag about how cool she is, but she will never put anyone else above her own wishes even for a second. She can't put herself in other people's shoes, and can't provide real sympathy as a result. You can see it in her constant remarks about someone not understanding her, and how much she does that people don't see. Now whose fault is that? Her relationship to her fans is completely unilateral and she's got all the power in it (but doesn't want any of the responsibility). As a personality and an artist, are you really going to use that as a defense for yourself? Isn't it your job for people to know you? To relate to you?

>>12978924
Mashallah

>>12983051
How are people unironically like this lol

>>13020472
watching literally a single lyric dive proves the second half of that post wrong
the first part is trying to build some weird narrative around Mori liking popular anime/rap while ignoring shit like being invested enough in pachinko rap to move a country and slave away for 4-5 years just to continue working with people you grew to respect through their work

you have some weird definition of 'cowardly' for someone whose bravery lasts as long as anonymity is provided

>>12978924
Its simple, we initiate the Jihad.

Are there any EN Holos who actually appreciate their fans? It feels like all of Gen 1 + Sana + Kronii actually just dislike their fans and don't care that they have been given the opportunity of a lifetime.

>>13016264
>delivers kino ttrpg
Wasn't the latest session fucked by the TT appearance

>>13021163
Kiara and Irys.

>>13020732
>the first part is trying to build some weird narrative around Mori liking popular anime/rap while ignoring shit like being invested enough in pachinko rap to move a country and slave away for 4-5 years just to continue working with people you grew to respect through their work
That she did it to run away and be around people who couldn't even communicate with her is something her roommate has explicitly said. Just go listen to her, what she's all about is pretty clear. I'm not sure you even know any of that though since you seem to think she did it for pachinko rap when she did it for TOS.

>you have some weird definition of 'cowardly' for someone whose bravery lasts as long as anonymity is provided
Cool ad hominem.

>>12978880

>>13021353
it's not an ad hominem, it's a statement of a fact, you can pretty easily place that comment in a public space
also, her roommate also said how she grew out of that approach and how she grew more positive and optimistic through her experiences (which even shows through the evolution of her music) so by omitting that you're intentionally being full of shit

>>13020472
Holy projecting batman

>>13021271
it was mostly fucked by her trying to do a clever twist that neither she nor the members of the party were equipped to properly go through, it's what killed the session pacing
other than that it was a pretty standard one and it had both Ame and Ina involve themselves more

>>13022029
is this the infamous chris-chan that's being mentioned around here seldom?

>>12978924
holy BASED

>>12978924
people will unironically take up arms to go back to their degenarate copium pods

>>13021163
Kiara.

>>12978880
All these comments and not one can refute your point, OP. Mori hates her fans and hates Hololive confirmed.

>>13023155
if I bothered to refute every obvious lie posted on 4chan I would have no time to eat or sleep

>>13022561
No. This Chris is less well known than holo chris.

>>13021163
Chicken

I cant believe you faggots actually went apeshit over a simple collab

>>13021294
>>13022885
>>13023430
Fair, they come off as loving what they do.

>>13023450
This is what my Latin friends call reductio ad absurdum.
>she just collabed with someone!
OK, and we just posted a few insults. Why do you care?

>>13023450
>over a simple collab
I'm not that bothered since I don't watch HoloEN to begin with, but collabing with people shit talking you and your peers is fucked up. If it was just Joey and Gigguk then whatever but Conner being there is weird.
Everything Connor said was right mind you, being in Hololive does give you a very large safety net channel wise, but his motives for saying it was to shit talk hololive so a holo going to be buddy buddy with him just looks bad.

>>13023753
weird how people here can just turn any valid criticism into 'shittalking'

>>13024325
When the motive for criticizing is venting to your girlfriend in a competing company on stream, yeah it is shit talking and stirring up drama.

>>13024382
>When the motive for criticizing is venting
where did you get that from? it could have been legitimate criticism

or do you think any criticisms of hololive, even legitimate ones, is somehow blasphemy

>>12978924
fpbp

>>12978880
Considering vtubers are the new opiate of underachieving male incels, she's completely justified in doing so. You are delusional if you think otherwise.

>>13024325
Weird how redditors call it "valid criticism" when it's an "anime" youtuber shittalking his own and your oshi's audience, but when a regular pleb goes out of the "only be positive" line it's "shittalking" and "schizo".

Bro I actually went back and watched when Ina "shit-talked" her fans and it was her saying "lmao imagine making fun of me for being bad at guilty gear"

are you guys deadass???? you made it sound like she called you virgins or losers, god you are fucking pathetic
This board's tendency to exaggerate and schizo about everything with hololive is why I avoid them like the plague.

>>13025762
KMR... holo granblue collab... onegai...

>>13024451
The context of the conversation, even Ironmouse was put off by it and quickly changed the subject. He could have gotten her in trouble as well for doing that on her stream.

>>13025503
valid criticism is valid criticism regardless of who says it and where/when, also I am not a redditor