/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

This has probably been asked before but any tips on making or getting a png for someone who can't draw for shit?

>>12781455
Find an artist you like to commission, pretty simple.

>>12781455
You could draw it yourself anyways & embrace the scuff

>>12781455
fiverr

Would a male voice coming from a feminine-to-androgynous avatar be off putting and doomed from the start?
As in, clearly not a feminine voice and not trying to be.

>>12781558
>>12781698
>>12781640
appreciate the answers, I shouldve probably mentioned im not really looking to spend any money yet. looks like the scuff route is my only option

>>12781845
no one will really care but you will be debuffing yourself to start out

>>12781845
Generally, when people see a girl avatar they expect a girl voice, so the bait n switch can definitely be off putting. Your personality can carry you if you're entertaining tho. Think Restia or Chaika (idk if chaika counts lol).

>>12781845
heavily depends how deep your voice is. if it's clearly male but not super deep androgynous to male would be fine. androgynous to female is tough with a male voice unless it's very soft.

>>12783175
>heavily depends how deep your voice is
objectively wrong. have good content that pulls in viewers and they won't care.
https://www.twitch.tv/porcelainmaid

>>12783428
i agree with you but i feel like joel isn't the best example to use for this thread since he got the model well after he was established iirc
i'm pretty sure there's deep voiced babis that started off as just vtubers but i can't think of any at the moment

>>12783673
i might know someone

>>12783673
>he got the model well after he was established iirc
He didn't. He used to use a VRoid but I do think that babi is a debuff. It won't necessarily make it impossible to grow but it does turn people off. Joel is just a god at networking and creating content with other large creators not to mention he's got art as a skill as well and can gain viewers that way. You can succeed as a babi, there's plenty, but I do think it's a debuff.

>>12784547
oh, you're right
i thought i read somewhere that he was a normal streamer first but yeah it says he's been going since 2017 as a vtuber

>someone chats
>get excited
>they leave immediately
>keep talking about dumb shit

>>12788445
That's the grind, anon. Got any friends you can ask to join your streams?

what're the opinions on having background music over game music? risk of rain 2 is a game i love playing but sometimes i get really bored of the music and need something to change it up.

>>12792844
watch out for vod muting or copyright strikes, but otherwise no one really cares.

>>12792870
i was just gonna find some dmca free music on spotify and play that honestly but good to know

I'm in the same spot as >>12781455 . I already have an artist I want to commission but what exactly should I tell them in the request?

>be /asp/ie
>check pippa out of curiosity while procrastinating
>she's everything I wanted to be as a vtuber except better because she's a female and from the first world
I don't know what to make of this. Is this what Mari Yume felt about Nyanners? Like, why should I bother now that I found a vtuber that is already doing roughly what I wanted to do?
It's not as if I want to be Pippa but knowing that at best I'll end up as >m*le Pippa before starting is kind of lame. My chosen color scheme is even centered around a shade of pink.

>>12794258
IIRC in one of the pastebins, or maybe it was a video, was said that designing your character would also have a fee if you don't have a design made for them to draw with actual skill that you don't have.

>>12794258
Having some sort of design would help, some of them will be fine without a ref sheet if it's simple enough or if you have enough references to show them. A lot of artists are really nice to newcomers though, so just ask them what sort of info they would need from you and you can go from there.

>>12794258
Any good commission artist will have some directions on their storefront of choice, the main thing is to be clear and concise and to clearly explain what you want - really think it through, some things that might make sense when you spout it off but might not be possible or end up looking good,

If you have any access to say Daz/ Source Film maker/ those drawing pose apps that let you pose characters feel free to use screen shots from those, or stick figure your guy, no good artist will be insulted by your shitty art, they know you suck ass thats why they're being hired. Some clothing examples are good but dont go to extreme with the "I want X texture but Ys color" that sort of request can be a LOT tougher than it may seem to non-artists.
And thats it, you like their art or their price, send them the basics then let them do their thing.

>>12794569
>>12795070
>>12795100
Thanks for the info. I have a lot of reference material so I should be ok. I'll still try and draw something to include with the references.

>>12788445
i do this
but don't say anything after and just stay in there and watch the streamer struggle

>>12788445
What is the worse ?
Having 0 viewer or 3 viewers that doesn't talk in the chat ?
What do youvdo in these cases ?

>>12792906
Personally, I always mute the in-game music, and play DMCA free over the top. I know other people have been hit by DMCA for in-game, but I don't know how wide it is.

I mean, the GTA or Fallout radio stations will get you, but I don't know about Skyrim, Doom, or Civ.

>my oshi likes her own tweets
I don't care about myself, but how can I help someone get over the 20 viewers wall?

>>12791597
Nope.

>>12802396
Buy ads in biz

>>12801650
0 views just because there's still a numbers game.
What you do as a streamer is identical either way so.

My fellow 0 views, drop me your links so I can check out your content

>>12802816
https://www.twitch.tv/iberocorporis
Going through a model update/redebut right now, but should be back next week.

>>12802816
Sure.
https://www.twitch.tv/akameimay

Been posting on /wvt/ but if anyone has advice it's more than welcome.

>>12794475
who is mari yume?

>>12794475
Man, if your height of aspiration was to be a /here/ memelord, you’re ngmi to begin with. We got enough mementoes as it is, you bring nothing new

>>12794475
pippas pandering is extremely pathetic

>>12802991
Your art is cute! I'll try to catch the next stream if I can.

Thinking of upgrading mic, because I'm currently using a £5 USB mic, which is a bit naff.

Is it worth going for the Blue Yeti, or is there another that's not bad?

Don't currently do ASMR streams, but enjoy them, so was thinking of doing my own but I'm m*le

>>12808703
AT2020 with something like a Focusrite Scarlett Solo is a pretty typical setup but isn't really specialized for ASMR. Either way, almost anything will be an upgrade for you, and it's one of the first things I think you should upgrade.

how to set up a basic png, any tutorials?

>>12808972
Thanks! Does XLR have much of an advantage over USB, or does it not matter too much? A quick google seems to be that XLR is mostly audiophile?

>>12809225
Reactive PNG?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcwdoBH3NCo

Non reactive?
Image source

>>12809284
If you're going to be doing any kind of recording, the XLR mic will just give you more options. It's not a straightforward case of "this is the right thing" but for anything past just regular talking on stream, I think the flexibility of a more robust solution makes sense.

https://www.lewitt-audio.com/blog/usb-vs-xlr-microphones

>>12803950
Some kid that wanted to be Nyanners 2, but it never worked so she made her own character; though her model is still a catgirl with wavy pink hair. I mostly know her from watching her guide/advice videos when I started researching this stuff.

>>12804110
It's not the memeing but her energy and sense of humor that I like, really carefree but acid. Like in her designing vtubers stream where she is mocking everyone but as a joke yet she was serious enough about it through feigning obliviousness that you leave thinking she meant all of it.
I just find that really funny.

>>12804413
How so? I'm new to watching her so I have no idea.

>>12788445
I am very happy i have 6 viewers but 5 of them always hang in chat, i appreciate them a lot

https://m.twitch.tv/makigaimegu I didn't start to stream yet but if anyone want to follow thank you!

https://twitter.com/matsuda_Toki/status/1458467967411240965/photo/1

saw this on my timeline

>>12802816
Moonliightartist's clumsy 1st stream:
https://youtu.be/296k_JMvT08

Main channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG3UxRTwmGnvGvogHvqzmoQ

Gaming Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyA0d_W-78qeZH3yknI0cLw

>>12808703
I bought a nice as fuck 300 dollar mic with an arm and everything, but had to leave it behind when I was forced to move from my old place. Bought a used Blue Yeti for 70 huvks as a quick replacement and genuinely can not notice a difference in quality.

>>12809284
XLR setup lets you upgrade the interface and mic separately, and since they're both separate the quality ceiling is much higher than a simple USB mic.
I'd say ASMR is the one thing where audio quality really matters.

>>12794258
Include a moodboard or collage of inspirations. It only ever helps

Is there a way to go live on Instagram/TikTok or whatnot using Vtube Studio on my phone?
A way to override my phone camera so it's just my avatar, if that makes sense?

>>12809284
I got a mic that has both usb and xlr. used usb until I could afford to get a decent audio interface.

I've been wondering /asp/, do you think there's any market for language learning stuff? Like real learning, not duolingo; recorded video guides, talking about what makes good resources and how to approach them, streaming the down and dirty part of learning, that kinda stuff. Would it conflict with the gaming content, even if the "down and dirty" is achieved through playing games?

That, and if anyone has any miscellaneous advice, I'm always looking for ways to improve!

>>12802816
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLQd0PG2Z4NfbcxeVpvsS_g/videos
Drop your link too amigo, I'd love to check out your content as well!

>>12814087
Back when I first started I did weekly Japanese lessons where I would study off stream and present what I learned and the people who visited those lessons were usually pretty engaged and chatty even if it was sub 10 viewers
I think its a great way to present that kind of information to people who would be interested in it but I think the problem I had is that once you get to a certain point in your curriculum, it becomes hard for newer people to keep up so I ended up dropping the lessons
I think consistent accessibility is a very important part of doing something like that

>>12814087
I hate to tell you this idea isn't original, but I've been lurking this general for about 8 months and have seen this concept posted at least 6 or 7 times

>>12814233
That's definitely true, you can't expect people to always be up to the exact same level, or any level for that matter. I suppose the streams would have to either become more and more niche, spread to different languages, or otherwise keep it from becoming a problem of inaccessibility. I think what I wanted from the concept I had was more or less zatsudan with a focus on language learning and everything surrounding it + a game alongside it to show what it can / would look like approached certain ways.

>>12814344
Thanks for the heads-up anon! I'm not super worried about being original with the concept, I just really like learning things and being able to talk about strategies, resources and the like. It seems like it would be a really fun stream to run from my side. Hell, I even want to check out the other anons going with it, I'd love to see what ideas they have on it. Might have to dig through the archives later today.

>>12814087
>any market for language learning stuff
Careful, the language learning community is a cesspool.

>>12812812
No, live only works on the phone app. Unless you emulated your phone and somehow plugged that into the camera feed. The vtubers I saw do it just film their computer screen.

>>12816410
How so? Never heard any issues about it before.

>>12816741
>>12812812
Actually there is. Streamlabs on Android allows you to go live on twitch, YouTube, and TikTok by using footage your phone is capturing. You just can't see your chat, and any popping up notifications can potentially dox you so you need to be insanely careful.

>>12817178
It's full of grifters advertising methods that don't work or aren't any more effective than traditional language lessons. The japanese learing community is especially weird because I guess it's easy to capitalize on weebs trying to learn a foreign language for the first time, also also just a lot of dick measuring, "I know more kanji than you" "I hate other gaijin" etc type stuff

>>12816410
I suppose I've been lucky with the few I've interacted with then, since I've never really had any problems. That said, I'll make sure to be careful. Thanks anon

>>12818279
nta, but could you say some of the shit they advertise? I'm kinda interested in what bad methods they have

>>12818496
Read The Kanji, Wakikani are the ones I know, but I've never delved too deeply into it.
There are also people that pretend they are fluent in like 6 languages for videos.

>>12781023
I've been streaming as a vtuber for a bit on my own but my main goals are to do a lot of community, charity, and make friends for collab stream. The community will come in time but how does one reach out and make connections appropriately? Do I worry about their numbers vs mine at all or just send dms to everyone and hope something works out? I got so many ideas for end game but none on how to get there ya know?

>>12818770
Okay, so those are resources I shouldn't use then? because for now I just use anki and cure dolly

>>12816410
Cure dolly...

>>12818808
I think you shouldn't worry too much about the numbers, there isn't any cost to ask someone if he/she is okay or not to do a collab, so you might as well try.
But do it without any expectation and send it as well to others who have the same numbers as you, and of course that you like, that will be with these ones that you will grow and it will be a 'fair' relationship.

Did anything significant change on Vroid Studio?
I want to start learning it but I don't know if the old tutorials are still relevant.

Also, how do you get Vroid Hub?

>>12802396
At that point they need to start posting their clips somewhere

>>12808703
I have a HyperX Quadcast, iirc around same price as a Yeti, haven't tried doing ASMR but i did use the stereo mode a few times and it's good, overall sound quality is great

I became a Vtuber with a Vroid model and its fun

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>>12819105
No, the issue is more that people get overly attached to the specific methods and the people promoting them and threads like /djt/ turn mostly into drama threads. And like the other anon said a lot of the people advertising specific methods and courses turn out not to be as good at the target language as they claim to be, or they're up to some other shady shit behind the scenes. Personally I don't think RTK is a good resource at all, you can just study the kanji with vocabulary, but what's most important is just that you find whatever works for you and makes you feel like you're improving. I've seen people create super autistic spreadsheets of what they're going to do to learn japanese over the next X amount of time, there's people who tell you never to use textbooks, but really we don't scientifically know that much about how language learning works and just take anything that sounds extreme with a grain of salt. because a lot of it is just based on one specific person's experience and not actual empirical evidence.

>>12819922
To be fair with textbooks, they're generally bad for learning on your own because they're class room material.
For example the Genki books that are highly recommended for learning Japanese, but if you're doing it on your own it makes no sense because like 90% of the book is about group activities or instructor lead material.

>>12815723
I was thinking about doing a one-off stream explaining chanspeak in Spanish, like what is seethe and when to use it, to give an example

>>12820053
Fucking dont

>>12781023
Can i get some honest opinions on my model? been thinking about doing a redo in terms of the mask and maybe colors and maybe upgrading to 3d. Everyone I ask just says its good with not much input. the aim was for it to be a scary wolf wolf not furry wolf with rainbow colors and all that. any criticism welcome!

>>12821233
is the mask static?

>>12821233
You'll always be a furry.
Even if that's not you're intention, you'll only attract the furry audience.

But the mask doesn't work with the wolf anatomy because its pasted flat against the face like a human face, but a wolf's mouth would stick out more so it just doesn't really work.
Also it looks like a mouse

Also if you want it to look ferocious you can't just have the smile. It would need some indication on the eyes that there's more going on, at least show the eyebrows, or do some heavier shading on the brow to give it the indication of a darker grin.
also also don't use a mask. its a bad idea.

>>12821481
no it moves when i talk and look around and so does the wolf mouth. example:

>>12821568
it's fine then.

>>12821233
I like your art style a lot. Don't go 3D. Very furry though

>>12820053
>>12820104
Not that anon but I was thinking of doing some sports commentary over AI matches on Nijikaku. Would that have any crossover with this?
I've been checking combat sports, wrestling, and EVO commentary and reading on old 2ch memes to prepare.

>>12821498
>You'll always be a furry.
Even if that's not you're intention, you'll only attract the furry audience.
I'm aware and have embraced it. Its not that big of a deal to me.

>But the mask doesn't work with the wolf anatomy because its pasted flat against the face like a human face, but a wolf's mouth would stick out more so it just doesn't really work.
Also it looks like a mouse
mm true, I based the head off pic related to make the mask work a bit better

>Also if you want it to look ferocious you can't just have the smile. It would need some indication on the eyes that there's more going on, at least show the eyebrows, or do some heavier shading on the brow to give it the indication of a darker grin.
also also don't use a mask. its a bad idea.
That's the main reason I wanted to go to 3d that way when I turn and move there are peaks and hints of eyes and whatnot.
the point of the mask was for people to leave it up to interpretation and make of it what they want in fanart and wider array of emotions and memes (green screen emotion for me to just put whatever face there). If you think its a shit idea then that's what it is lol Appreciate the criticism though seriously.

>>12821834
Nah man thats fine.
But explaining chanspeak is fucking cringe and brings more retards here

>>12821834
Sports commentary vtuber is quite rare actually. If you can do that with community involvement like making a basketball team, football team, wrestling and etc I can see it being quite popular.

>>12821841
The mask is redundant because the true mask is the one society forces us to wear.

Also, it just causes confusion with the redundancy if both the mask and your actual mouth is moving, but if only your face is moving the mask will kill the expressiveness of the model. If only the masks moves then the mask is a living parasite that took over the host.
At the end of the day showing a face is there to show the expressions, adding layers between it defeats the purpose of having a face to begin with. If you want to go with the whole wolf in sheeps clothing in it, just go with a design that makes you look like a backstabbing cunt rather than literally hiding it.

I feel like I can't find my thing anymore, no matter if I am singing or drawing or doing random stuff or playing games, my views are getting worse and worse

Does making yt shorts boost popularity or kill it?

>>12822446
Most people don't even know YT shorts exists.

Just do normal clips/short videos if you're going to do it.

>>12822446
Any time YouTube introduces a new feature, abuse the fuck out of it. Just like when polls were added, the algorithm gives an absurd boost to users using the features they want to shill.

>>12822156
If I were to implement lore (which I didn't really think much of) I was either going to go with the idea that the mask is sentient or was a person and uses the wolf to do stuff (parasite like you said) or the wolf was originally a person but got turned into a wolf somehow and needs to use the mask to look human in order to do stuff in public. which would need a mask face redesign and maybe make it digital to be modern. (invader zim logic where its clearly not a person but a simple disguise is enough to fool people) haven't thought too much on it but one of those routes seemed cool. regardless, appreciate your thoughts :)

>>12821975
Yeah. I must've forgotten my rant on /qa2/ about how we need a good buffer board like 00's /b/.

No idea why but my post keeps getting confused as spam.

>>12822024
You mean something like the 4ch*n cup?
Honestly, sports commentary is not a passion of mine. I just wanted a fun frame from which to share the game.

I had to separate my posts because I was getting the "our system thinks your post is spam" message. Weird.

>>12819922
Thanks anon, that's a good point. It really does seem like different people are just better woth different methods. Reminds me of when Kiara told Marine to not waste her money on classes, but it's really just a matter of different people liking different ways.

>>12822534
This
>>12822517
Not this

What are your long term goals? For me it's 50+ viewers and my own general

>>12823467
getting scouted for Nijisanji

>>12823467
Short term is averaging 20ish viewers every stream and maybe a few donations here and there. Will give me enough motivation to go ahead and invest in a good model.
Long term I want 100-200 average and enough donations to recoup the investment and eventually start my own "group" where I basically just foot the investment cost for people I like and they can repay me for it. Eventually I'd like to turn into a pseudo manager and basically just do a 80-20 split between everyone in the group, where the 20 basically goes back into advertisement and investments for new people so I'd operate the group solely on that cut, and my own cut would only be consisting of my donations.

I'd be happy with just 100 viewers and my own model though.

>>12823467
Reaching partner would be awesome, after I finally achieve that I would just chill and hang with chat for the rest of my days.

>watching le epin ahegao face boomer vtuber
>he says at one point that only "influencers", i.e. streamers who are followed mainly for their personality according to his definition, can play a bunch of different games without losing most of their audience
Is he right?
I know it might not be the best example but the only facecam streamer I watch, Bradley Dragon, will fall to like 5 viewers whenever he does anything that's not playing DOTA 2.

>>12823890
You definitely retain more viewers for a variety of games if your personality is appealing to them. It's also possible that a big amount of his viewers literally only care about DOTA 2 streams, and everything else they find boring regardless of how much they like him as a person.

>>12823467
get big enough for partner and to do huge projects like jerma does along with doing a lot of community stuff. I though it might be cool for a charity stream to have a big canvas that viewers can purchase and own a pixel on the canvas and when the painting is done, have an auction for someone to own it. All proceeds from pixel purchasing to auction price would go to charity of course.

>>12823890
As always, it depends.
There's streamers that make it big for different things, influencers like that are followed for their personality and that's what most vtubers are going for.
But other people are followed for their skill at a specific game or genre, for example nobody gives a fuck about shroud as a man, they watch him for his ability to click on heads. If he's not playing a click on heads game people won't care.

>>12823890
he is. People like vinesauce or jerma or any of the other big variety streamers can play anything in the world and still retain like 80% of there audience. Most of the games jerma plays are chore simulators.

>>12823467
Short term would be putting together a system and schedule for myself where I'd be putting out decent content on a regular basis.

Long term would be getting 20+ regular viewers per stream, a growing stream/youtube, and a general idea of what niches and types of content I want to pursue. I aim for this by the end of next year at maximum.

Absolute end goals? What >>12823707 said sounds pretty appealing, but I don't know yet.

On another note, I've been thinking of doing some videos that are like a "Behind the Scenes" for my Vtuber stuff. Basically going over what I've been doing over a month, how I've improved, how I do things, any future ideas I have etc. I don't intend to post these on stream, but as standalone videos on a youtube channel. I intend to use it more as a tutorial/self reflection series. What do you think /asp/?

>>12824411
As a viewer/rando, it'd probably be mildly interesting. But it sounds like a good idea for yourself so you can reflect and improve, and you can look back on it in the future for nostalgic reasons too.

>>12823995
Yeah, I've tried but I don't really care about the streams when he isn't crying over being shit at the game.
Makes me feel kind of bad but what can you do.

>>12824073
>>12824088
So, how do I become one of those?

>>12825147
Which one? Both are fairly obvious.
If you want to be an influencer type just git gud at it. Learn to be entertaining and charismatic, be willing to shove yourself out there and invest in your own popularity.

>>12825147
have a lot of topics to talk about to fill dead air, talk like you are actually engaged with your audience or the game or the topic, and talk about the game with substance not just "right" "left", make jokes about whats happening, etc. easy to do at first hard to do consistently for hours at least for me.

Stupid question but I'm debating if I should put my real birthday for my chuuba birthdayor not. I know that the less stuff that leads to your roomate, the better, but still not sure.

>>12825651
>but still not sure.
what are you not sure about? what benefit are you getting by making your chuuba's birthday the same as your roommates?

>>12825651
I'm just using the day of my first stream.

>>12825704
>>12825708
Just started to think about it since some vtubers have their first stream anniversary as their birthday, others have it another day like Reimu Endou. I'm stupid.

What's the chat etiquette on low viewership streams? I feel odd being the only name on screen most of the time, is this normal? Should i slow down or just keep going so the chuuba has material to avoid dead air?

>>12826220
chat if you want to chat, chuubas need to make the call on their own.

>>12826220
plz chat.

>>12825215
>Which one?
The variety/influencer type.

>Learn to be entertaining and charismatic, be willing to shove yourself out there and invest in your own popularity.
Okay. I've never used social media for networking but I guess it's not too late to learn.

>>12825325
That's something I think I can do. I have no trouble talking or commenting on things, I think, but doing it while playing it's another thing.
I tried "practicing" it by talking about politics and shit with one of my friends like we always do except that while playing DOTA 2 and even if my ideas are for the most part fixed, I costed me a lot to keep the thread of the conversation going.
Maybe because DOTA is a pretty demanding game, even against bots, and we are not a hundred percent on the same page on our politics so I had to 1)restate my views, 2)make my argument, 3) listen to my friend, and 4)play the game.

I'll go check my Steam >library.

>>12826243
I'm worried they are uncomfortable with it but don't want to say it because telling me would mean losing the only person interacting
>>12826317
Alright

>>12823467
Just get big enough to coast of off React videos and integrate myelf more with mainstream streamer communities.

Is anyone taking groomer applications? Where do I sign up to be notified?

I'm making a video for next week to announce my debut. I have my L2D ready but the rigging isn't done yet so png only but I haven't revealed it yet.

I want to make something that isn't a debut but more of an ad, like to get people to come watch and all that. Just need a little hype to not start off to 0 people, even if only 2 or 4 come it's great.

Have you guys ever seen something like this that I can get some ideas from?

>>12830026
just start. no one watches debuts.

>>12830026
I haven't seen any specifically for debut, but you can still borrow ideas from actual chuuba ads or trailers, or any kind of introduction video. What do you think of including in it?

>>12830099
Most properly advertised debuts I see have plenty of people there. Not advertised as in "hey debut in two weeks!" but even spending 50 dollars on a generic "Vtuber Trailer" from fiverr would get more reach than just going live one day. No harm in casting a wider net.

>>12830026
how you been doing any networking reps?
as for something to announce your debut, maybe something related to whatever your main content is gonna be?

>>12830142
Just really simple stuff like what type of content I will make, I already have a debut script where I introduce myself thoroughly so basically a teaser of that with a little keyfabe(very little).

>>12830269
I will probably debut next week on Friday or something something quick.

If you got some recomendations even if just some fiverr or yt ad I'll look into it as I 100% agree that even just a little advertisement is better than nothing.

>>12830572
No networking at all, but I will be shooting my shot and sending some DMs here and there to one or two Vtubers I know have similar content to what I want to produce and see if we can work out something fun like a video. I'm not putting hopes into that though ofc but I'm not 100% pessimistic.

>>12830855
>No networking at all,
anon....

>>12830961
I know, I just suck at that.
I can nerd out with you about manga and obscure anime all day in a group of strangers and have fun with them but I get shy and self conscious reaching out myself.

>>12830855
Well the problem now lies in how are you going to procure non-generic footage for your video with no content, and who is going to see the video, and where are you going to put it.
If you were planning to run it as an ad on YouTube or somewhere this would be better idea but it's probably best to just stream, build up the video, and then do your debut when you have eyes on you.

>>12831092
have you at least made your accounts yet?
when you put our your announcement video, how do you expect it to reach anyone if you haven't already gotten on any sort of social media?
i'm of the mindset that you should just start streaming without a debut but if you're set on doing a debut then at least try to network first...

>>12831092
>I know, I just suck at that.
if you're aware enough to know this, you should be aware enough that your debut isn't going to work out. just start streaming.

>>12831110
I might do some ad on yt or here.
And I might have somewhere to post it but you know how rules about self advertisement are in most places so I gotta wait for some response, if it's positive I'll do it as it will be 100% benificial.

If not then I might either buy some ads or just start streaming.

>>12831181
True, do you know where vtubers socialise and all? I'm good at making friends I'm just bad at starting the conversation which is what happens online usually.

>>12831200
I have that planned as well in case this fails or I just dont do it, already have my twitch and yt accounts and done some private test streams to see how my stream sounds like.

>>12831348
why are you spending so much time on this? just start streaming.

>>12781845
I wouldn't watch it, but I think I have some mental issues so take it for what it's worth.

>>12831348
>do you know where vtubers socialize
twitter mostly
do you know of any of the chuubas from wvt? that might be a good spot to start if you really don't know how to start branching out yourself

>>12831586
Any specific hashtags I should keep an eye on?
Yeah I know some used to look at the thread before vshojo and holoen. I will check out the thread thanks for the tip.

>>12832107
Just to be sure, you're female right? Because I don't think a male ad would work at all, you legit would rather just start streaming.

>>12832107
both the vtuber and ENvtuber tag have a bot that regularly retweets people that use those tags though the amount of engagement you'll get off of that isn't huge

>>12831348
you're gonna end up like that hussar vtuber who rushed a model, pushed for a debut and is now inactive because of 0 views.

>>12832965
>inactive
he's been streaming at least once a week which isn't a lot but i wouldn't say he's inactive

>>12833349
>48 hours streamed since starting july
>1 viewer average
>27 followers

I have a rough idea of how I want my vtuber to look but I'm not sure exactly what clothes. I've never commissioned before but as long as I give hair, facial features, skin color, demeanor can I just say "a hoodie that looks good with the character" and let the artist take liberties with it, or would they want something more solid? It would just be png to start, not gonna shell out money for a model until I'm comfortable with streaming and know I wont just drop it

>>12834081
some artists are cool with that, others will refuse your commission if you don't have references.

>>12833504
i mean his numbers aren't high but inactive implies that he isn't streaming at all

>>12823534
Damn, not even auditioning? Straight up scouting? Do they still do that?

>>12834994
i want to aim high so when i inevitably miss, i'm still doing better than most other indies

>>12830099
I've heard that it was the opposite and that people instead go into debuts and then stop watching altogether the next stream.

>>12837059
late 2020 and early 2021 that may have been true. but there are dozens of vtubers debuting every week. no one cares about debuts either. it's just been overdone. you'd be lucky to get 4 people on your stream if you've done zero networking and are planning to debut next week.

>>12837116
This isn't true whatsoever. If you properly hype a debut and network for a bit (even if you stream as a PNG) then you can have great turnout for a debut, it's just that most won't care unless you hook them. The failing debuts you see are people who are just posting some PNGs once in a while and then debuting to nobody because they did zero work pre-debut, just got a model and made a slideshow.

>>12837116
I personally just want to do it cause I think it would be fun. But if you're doing it as a way to start, it's going to fall flat without the proper prep beforehand. I'm just going to "debut" in the traditional sense when I upgrade my model to Live 2D or something.

>actually thought my channel was big enough to premiere videos
guess I'll be hiding the chat afterwards

>>12837566
How big is your channel? Three digits? Four digits?

>>12837235
>If you properly hype a debut and network
you don't even know what this means and are just repeating buzzwords. your idea is at most buying ads. you don't know what "hyping a debut" or "network" mean.

>>12838257
Nta, but what does it mean to you anon? Genuinely curious, since I'm fuzzy on it too.

>>12838676
when /asp/ies say "network" they mean "make friends" and that is the reason why no /asp/ie is making it. you don't grow by making friends. eventually, all /asp/ies cope and just tell themselves that they never wanted to grow and are okay being small.

>>12837566
>tfw one of my favorite twitter artists streamed to so little people that he ended up quitting
He unironically should've done Transformers reviews as filler since he has a decently big collection.
I never expected that there would be no demand for Love Live girls with realistic bodies but there it is. Guy is a pretty good artist even.

For youtube thumbnails, do you find drawn or model-including ones more enticing to watch? I’ve been editing my videos and drawing the thumbnails, but I find that I’m more drawn to watch thumbnails with the model pasted on top.

>>12838802
I personally would prefer drawings. Much more variation and more customization. Models are much easier to use, but a drawing can be really good if done right imo.

>>12838802
don't spend too much time on them. use your model, pull out some over exaggerated expression, slap it on and send it. no one is going to notice the time you spend drawing it.

>>12838732
What do you think they should do instead anon?

>>12838876
That makes sense, thanks anon.

>>12838933
I don’t spend a lot of time on them (roughly 15-30 minutes), so it isn’t a big problem for me. I was just curious if it was better or worse than Photoshopping something together.

>>12838802
I'm a youtube oldfag, found it in like 2005 when looking up some tae kwon do videos, so thumbnails are almost a non-issue to me. Good titles, either as text on the thumbnail or the actual title, are what draw me to videos.
Funny imagery, though... I like funny thumbnails. I've lost count of how many Pekora clips I've watched based only on the dumb memes clippers fit on the thumbnails.

>>12839049
they should explain what they mean whne they say "network" or "properly hype a debut" because it's easy to say bullshit meaningless terms like that and then give a cop out answer saying
>If you properly hype a debut and network
>If you do this thing i won't explain, but do it properly

>>12839121
>Good titles, either as text on the thumbnail or the actual title, are what draw me to videos.
You're not everyone nor are you even in the majoirty. A majority of people go for thumbnail then title and any youtuber will tell you this.

>>12839157
Makes sense, but I meant: What exactly should "networking" be? If we're not trying to make friends who'll watch you, what exactly should we be doing?

>>12839224
>what exactly should we be doing?
get your shit in front of viewers

>>12839198
i-i know...

>>12839246
So advertising? Makes sense to me. Though isn't there a reason to go out and find other chuubas to collab with or for any other reason?

>>12839369
>So advertising? Makes sense to me
no, it's not advertising.

>Though isn't there a reason to go out and find other chuubas to collab with or for any other reason?
do you even know why you are collabing in the first place?

>>12839246
I tried this but just called a tamaki copy cat.

>>12839452
>just called a tamaki copy cat.
was it some 20 follower twitter account or other worthless opinion holder that said it?

>>12839157
I legit don't understand how people interpreted networking as "making friends" or in the worst of cases, "making vtuber friends"; though I honestly I have no idea of how to network in this environment.
I just can tell that it's dumb to try getting views from people that want views just as much. You are in that situation competing for each others' eyeballs rather than those of actual viewers that watch vtubers as entertainment.

What's confusing me here is that as far as I get it, networking is supposed to be exchanging info and ideas between people with the same job. I'm pretty sure I get that I shouldn't be competing to get each other to watch your stuff, but I'm pretty damn sure networking isn't "getting my shit in front of viewers". That's just advertising.
>>12839421
Only ideas I have for collabing are to boost viewership between us, or to do stuff I can't do on my own. Honestly the main reason I'm thinking of it is cause everyone else says to, I have no ideas myself.

>>12839723
>Honestly the main reason I'm thinking of it is cause everyone else says to
are the people who are telling you to collab growing as well?

>>12839935
Hell if I know, I'm just confused and barely check. They probably aren't given what this board is telling me.

>>12839982
logic would say if you want to grow, take advice from those who are growing.

I am a successful sperg. So let me explain networking to you guys.

Viewer 1 currently watches vtuber A for 3 hours of their day but they have 12 hours of free time

Viewer 2 watches Vtuber B for 3 hours a day but they have 12 hours of free time.

Vtuber A and B collab so that their viewers are now aware of each other’s existence.

Now Vtuber A and B are watched by viewers 1 and 2 making the exchange mutually beneficial.

How do I know which musicians are going to give me trouble with copyright? Is there a place to check or a list of labels that are particularly autistic about it?
I wanted to put Kenny G songs over moments when I get pensive and address the chat seriously, the joke is that a radio from my country would always use The Wedding as the background music during intermissions where they talked about serious albeit a bit corny themes, and I'd really hate it if I pulled that off just to have the whole thing deleted for copyright.

>>12840727
>are now aware of each other’s existence.
oh so this is one of those "i'll pay you in exposure" type of deals

>>12840727
Thank you for explaining this to my dumbass anon.

>>12840787
Not the other guy but no, "I'll pay you in exposure" has no relevance to this.

>>12840826
ok, but what's the point of making viewers "aware" of you?
/asp/ie viewers are "aware" of each other, but they don't actually contribute to views.

>>12840893
If they don't know you exist, how are they going to watch you anon? I'm guessing it's never guaranteed if someone likes your stuff enough to watch you too, but you'll never get the opportunity to see if it happens if that collab never happened.

>>12840974
why would you waste time "networking" and setting up collabs when you can just push out content and let the algorithm do the work for you?

>>12841076
Diversification and tapping into other markets I guess. Theoretically if the algorithm shits the bed for you, and that's the only way you're pulling views, you're fucked. If there's multiple ways people find you, you have the chance to grow faster, and if one craps out, the others keep you afloat.

>>12841150
>Theoretically if the algorithm shits the bed for you
do you even know what this means or are you just saying things?

How do you guys shill yourselves on /wvt/?
My tism is acting up and I always feel like I'm doing something wrong when I selfpost.

>>12841261
i don't want the /wvt/ audience, so i don't shill myself there

>>12841261
To be honest, people probably care less than you think. As long as you're not shameless about it and keep up with the culture of the board, you should be alright.

>>12841181
I'm just giving an example. The algorithm isn't always perfect, so it's generally a good idea to try other methods to get yourself out there.

>>12841461
>I'm just giving an example.
but do what do you mean when you say the "algorithm shits the bed" like, statistically and categorically. what is the algorthim actually doign to your videos?

>>12840893
Before reading this please be aware that I discuss both Social "Networking" and Computer based algorithm "networking" which share terms and are both important, so conversations between the two can get muddy.
Each user of a website you expose yourself to is a potential new viewer for yourself if you market yourself correctly, unlike a physical product or service you are not trying to compete with others for a finite resource directly (Money - I can explain this if you want but it would be another huge writeup), and as no one streamer can entertain 24/7 you are not directly competing for individual views, as even hard core fans will watch other content when they run out of their favorite streamer.
Unless you broadcast to the same niche community solely, at the same time, with the same type of content you are not a direct competitor to a potential collaboration partner, you are potentially an indirect competitor but that is not a bad thing necessarily. A collaboration of this type allows both people (If they arent fucking psychos) to **audition** to each others users, the act of collaboration itself is a new type of content that your viewers may enjoy, and a second voice is often a refreshing change.
When it comes to broadcast you have to think larger than the idol memes and start to calculate the net benefit of each stream against the algorithms that drive viewers to specific streams on a website wide level.
As an extremely macro level example - If you can get 5 of a friends viewers to check you out every once in a while in a niche video game category you can find yourself near the top of the category, putting more viewers eyes potentially on you, whereas if you dont get those 5 viewers and you wallow around 2-3 viewers, people might need to scroll down to even find your stream.
Viewers being *aware* of you is a net benefit, even if you dont secure those views long term the algorithm now knows that when you and another user are put beside each other some viewers will also check you out, thus the system will put you two next to each other more often, they go live, in the sidebar users see your stream, they might click.
/asp/ie viewers are aware of each other yes, but the goal is for all of us (Not me I'm here to provide tech support and talk about livestream markets) is to break free of the local audience, and start getting fresh eyes onto the scene - which only happens if you are seen by other users.

I'm bored at my IT job if you couldn't tell so ask any other questions this mass of autism may have caused,
Credentials, Business Finance degree, A few microsoft It certs for networking, been shitposting on 4chan since 2006, hope that helps

>>12841527
If for some reason the algorithm isn't working in your favour or as intended. Something like not showing your stuff to the right viewers, or some other factor reducing the amount of viewers on your content. Not the best with the algorithm myself, but TL;DR: It's making your stuff get viewed less for some reason.

>>12841364
so just don't be an attentionwhoring tripfag
thanks senpai

>>12841662
>>12841527
>>12841461
Ahhh I should've mentioned this in the autism post but yeah the algo is all machine learning - heres an old LTT video going over how even small changes to the back end can result in his company losing hundreds of thousands of views,

https://youtu.be/ogzsDTBh1T0

>>12841662
>If for some reason the algorithm isn't working in your favour or as intended.
the more you talk, the more it sounds like you don't know how the algorithm works and are treating it like a human decision maker who can make mistakes.

>>12841582
but again. why would you waste so much energy into networking and collabing for the mere chance at someone's 2viewers looking at you? why not work the algorithm to your advantage and push content through youtube shorts, tiktok, twitter and other discovery based social media platforms. collabing seems like the worst way to grow.

>>12841734
No I'll admit, I'm not the best with it, like I said. But from what I've seen, youtube can screw up the backend like >>12841701 said, causing issues.

>>12841734
It's another tool you can use along with all the stuff you just mentioned. Just don't collab with 2views if you don't think it's worth the effort lol. I wouldn't either.

>>12841582
Actually useful anon, thanks.

>>12841701
>>12841812
nothing in this video applies to /asp/ies. talk about losing thousand, you can't even get 100.

>>12841734
I don't think anyone is arguing that collaboration is "The best" way to grow or is even needed, just that it does have a use and can have results if you do it right - if going pure discovery is working out for you go for it, but if you can't get a handle on the algorithm which a lot of people dont, there exists things you can do to help grow.

As more of a point of conversation than anything else, food for thought, feel free not to reply, I have a gaming clips channel that I use mostly for preserving memories of me and my friends, average views is around 50 - however I posted a clip from Gaki No Tsukai that got me 270k views, amazing right? My average viewer count must have shot up at least a bit right? I got 50 subscribers from that video alone! Well actually my average view count is uh...well still 50 - the algorithm is a...weird thing.

>>12835088
You know what, good point

>>12841913
>I don't think anyone is arguing that collaboration is "The best" way
no one was criticizing collabs as not being "the best" way, stop being a fucking faggot and trying to strawman the discussion.

>>12841913
Yeah I agree there. I'm not saying it's the best, but it's another way. It's a good idea to keep it in mind and use it when an opportunity comes up. (For example, some high-view streamer got interested in your stuff, and wants to do something together.)

>>12841662
„The algorithm“ measures how many initial impressions based off keywords lead to people clicking on your video and how many of those stick around and decides to promote it further based on that. If the algorithm screws you over, it’s because your videos aren’t catchy/interesting enough.

if /asp/ies who don't know what the fuck they're talking about would stop using buzzwords, this thread would get so much better.

>>12841984
Hmmm, I'll bite even though I know I shouldn't
When >>2841734 asked "why would you waste so much energy when other options exist" (paraphrase) it put 'collaboration' into a hierarchy against other options- thus, that reply posit although perhaps accidentally that there is a "right" and "wrong" way to spend energy. My reply was a half-hearted defense of *collaboration* that sought to simply explain that there could be a 'best' way to grow and that as a group it was generally believed that collaboration was not it.
I do not believe this falls under a strawman argument, that I will refute wholly, however if I have offended you in some way I am sorry.

>>12841582
I really like the way you put it, anon. Treating collaborations as an „audition“ is something I was thinking about. It’s the reason I refused collabs when I felt i wasn’t able to present the best of me.

Since you are taking questions - how does one find what audience has high demand but low supply for videos? Something like twitch tracker/ twitch strike, but for searched keywords in general.

>>12825949
I honestly can't remember which corpo it was, but one of them posted out their streaming requirements:
3 streams MINIMUM a week. 1 collab MINIMUM per month.
Ludwig's seminar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i9gkprYekI suggests one event per month.

Now, obviously, as an indie, you won't have a manager to organize everything, but these are good guidelines.

Setting your birthday as your streamaversary (stupid name, I know, but it's what I've seen) cheats you as the streamer out of an easy event.

Birthday stream - do something fun, get your friends involved, or just do a subathon

Anniversary - try to beat your previous game record, or just do a subathon

Splitting this into two events just gives you a free event to use.

Sure, if you don't have any oil barons, then subathons might not be a great idea. But having the two occaisions is something you can easily work with.

>>12842197
Steamcharts would be my immediate resource grab for this, you could even compare them to those buff/debuff charts you have available to you on /vt/ already - What are people actually playing vs. what they are watching is a very different thing apparently, did you know the top played game on steam right now is CSGO? But whos making CSGO content? Warowl? Maybe? Sometimes?
(I am not suggesting you make csgo videos just food for thought)

>>12842392
Is there something outside of gaming though? Like a Google analytics tool that could find items with a good ratio. Mb I want to do vtuber content outside of gaming.

>>12842197
I might not be the most knowledgeable here, but I agree too that an "audition" seems like the best way to put it. Getting a viewer from a collab isn't always guaranteed, depends on what you put out there.

>>12842632
Hmm, well google trends can search specifically for youtube videos but off hand I can't think of a true solution for this question, I'll sleep on it in a few hours and if I can think of anything I'll post it in this thread

>>12842388
One thing that Ludwig says but I don’t understand is that your video should be good. But no one ever answers what a good video is outside of „it should bring value“. One example that was at least a little clear was here - https://youtu.be/Ip2trao6dYw.. It seemes like a good video is the same as a good essay - it presents some new piece of info on the subject (Mizkif‘s door is special), and presents a couple of arguments in favour of that. Also the editing is par for the course.

So is a good video same as a good article, but with engaging editing?

>>12843007
I'm a little confused too, but I'm guessing value here would be that it's original, with appealing editing and a new take on a subject that's being talked about. It's well-made and fun to watch, leaving you with something new in the end, and might be something that you might want to watch yourself.

>>12843007
Though these points mainly apply to a video essay like the video Ludwig made. If you're making some other kind of video, it's up to you to find out what brings value. Value in this case being what makes the video watchable and leaving the viewer with a positive feeling afterwards, making them want to like or subscribe afterwards. That's my take at least.

>>12843007
Value is different for each sort of content. As a vtuber, there's three main (video) contents you'll be having:
Streams, VODs, Clips.

Think of a Just Chatting stream, where you're also doing some work on art, and just talking about your day with viewers. As a stream, this could be really nice and chill I spent a lot of my spare time with art streams as background noise. But the VOD is pretty much unwatchable - it's a mediocre artist, giving no tips on art, and answering people with a delay, plus you get no input. There *might* be some clips, but it's not massively likely.

Compare with an ASMR stream, where you're mostly paying little attention to chat except for requests. As a stream, this is very similar to the VOD. A lot of people who watch the stream would rewatch the VOD (for example, Hilentsu's VODs are perfectly good ASMR videos by themselves). Again, clips are going to be terrible here.

Playing through a competitive shooter, or shooter/looter, if you're not TOP TIER at the game doesn't add much to your viewers days as a stream.
But if you go through afterwards on the VOD, and analyze why you did plays, why it caused you problems, and how you can improve, that adds value to the VOD.
If you manage to get some funny moments, you get some excellent clips, too.
These aren't great examples. It's still early, and I haven't finished my coffee yet, but do you get the gist?

>>12843520
Yeah, it’s a strong point about how „value“ changes based on whether it’s a stream or a video. The whole point of streams is interactivity, but the point of videos and clips is more towards shortness and delivering information.

>>12843155
>>12843007
>>12843755
>>12843262

There's two (well, maybe three) reasons to watch a streamer:

1 - They're knowledgeable. You can legitimately learn from watching them. Whether it's good at the game, or good at building hype for streams in general.
2 - They're entertaining. Regardless of what they're playing, they're a blast to have on screen
2b - Being funny can sort of fit it's own thing, aside from just generally being fun to watch.
3 - You want to fuck them.

That's it. That's the value you can bring to people. You need to either be able to help them learn, or make them want to be your friend, or fuck you.

Figure out which one you can work with, and bear in mind it can change from game to game.

LEAN
INTO
IT

If you're playing a deep game, and providing a lot of information to your users, then you NEED to keep that flow up for everything. Rubber-duck programming comes into play. Explain all your choices, don't click through anything without explaining why.

>>12844045
Theres a hidden ultra secret 4th option that is impossible to master and is not recommended and that is being so bad you're endearing to the audience

>>12844073
I'd kind of say that this would fall into "be entertaining".

But you're right, be nurtured is kind of a bonus option.

I did this with my graphic designs. I made them poorly, and one of my viewers custom made me a transition because my existing stuff was so awful

>>12823467
A decent community with nice people and as few schizos as possible and enough viewers/earnings to be able to at least partially live off while I'm finishing university. Also I just want to get better at speaking to people and playing vidya in general

>>12823467
Long term, my only real goal is to be actively contacted to do a pre-release review. No idea what numbers that would come with, but I've had luck reaching out to game devs for giveaways on older games, so it's just a case of keep on grinding, I guess, and maybe start doing early reviews and stuff.

>>12823467
I want to get regulars that will draw fanart of me to document my adventures. And get a 1000 followers in a year, with 50 regular viewers.
Not like that is going to happen because so far test streams show i have neither the knowledge nor the personality

>Kingdom Hearts
>No more Heroes
>Demon's Souls (PS3)
Which of these three games would be most interesting to watch? I'm not bad at games, but I haven't played any of them so it'd be a blind playthrough. Looking around online it seems like Kingdom Hearts has more of a viewership when it comes to streams, but everyone seems to be doing challenge runs so I can't properly gauge whether people would want to see someone play through it for the first time.

>>12845188
Demons souls since no one played that recently.

>>12845188
Have to be honest, if I wasn't already watching you, none of these would make me do so. I'd just assume you're backlogging

>start a new game
>lore lore lore
>cutscene
>lore lore lore

>no time for commentary for like 2 hours straight
Nonmultiplayer games were a mistake.

not enough $$ to commission a rig, so my shitty rigging will have to do... cry.. I found a good rigger for $400 which is already the bottom and I can't even afford that.

>>12849074
what game

>>12850115
Like any single player game, especially if you go through the tutorial.
And since you actually have to read through it it just takes even longer, terrible idea.

>>12849962
You've got options - you could stay PNG, go shopping on fiverr/twitter for a cheap (albeit bad) rigger, or run a dono/subathon with the goal to raise money for the rigging.

I have seen people with bad rigging on their L2D, and it can be worse than bad art.

>>12850474
Weren't /asp/ies recommending unvoiced VNs just the other day?

>>12851638
unvoiced is because you can narrate the lines and do VA stuff which can be fun.
Having to go through tutorials and clips means the game is doing everything and you just sit there.

>>12851672
Yeah, getting the chance to do voices is good content.

>>12851672
Me and a >friend have an in-joke where we quote the guy from Blood Dragon whenever there's a tutorial on a game, no matter how necessary it actually is.
Hopefully he remembers to use it once he starts vtubing.

>>12845235
Thanks anon.
>>12847138
Fair enough. I’m hoping to review/analyse the games, so it’s half backlog, half “I want to talk about this in the future and stream it at the same time”. I’ve got some other stuff I’m writing up at the moment so I was just wondering what should be next down the line.

A chuuba I watch and chill in discords with DMed me his pic, because he was super startled about a meme I posted that looked just like him.

Do I need to post a pic of me back? I didn't ask for a pic of him, and I've got realtively good opsec, but it seems kind of weird to do?

>>12858209
Don't.
If you have no reason to don't. Don't get pressured into doing something your 'peers' because these peers are all dramatards.

>>12858209
you're not forced to

>>12858240
No, he DMed it to me, with "Woah, that pic looked like me, I got kinda spooked lul"

Not openly.

Just seemed super weird thing to do, like, I wouldn't have known if he didn't send me a pic.

>>12858209
How do you function properly in day to day life?

>>12858449
Anon, I'm a vtuber, what the hell makes you think I function?

>>12858209
Nah, no need to. Unless he explicitly asks for your pic, he most likely didn't expect one in return.

>>12858518
I'm not really joking. I'm seriously wondering what made you think you were obligated to send someone a picture of yourself just because they sent you a picture of a random person.

If I have a concept for my model's lore, even if it's not going to see much use, and design, should I remake it around my talents if I hadn't originally designed it around them?

Nothing about what I came up with for mine says that I like toys, cooking, animals, cooking animals, building games, handicrafts, etc.; and I kind of feel that I should portray some of that but at the same time I feel like having a model that doesn't scream what I'm interested in is more natural and makes me look less one-dimensional. Like an art vtuber with a model that's carrying a brush as opposed to an art vtuber that's just an over-designed anime girl or something of the kind.
What do you guys think?

>>12860313
Not really. You can always do it later. Holoen didn’t start designed around their talents. It’s more important that your model gives people a stereotype about yourself that you can conform to or subvert.

>>12838797
just quiting streaming? i hope he wouldn't quit art

>>12838802
You must be putting a lot of effort into vtubing if you draw all of your thumbnails. or do you just mean like an mspaint chibi

>>12861374
Yeah, just streaming thankfully.
I just hope he would draw more often.

I’ve been streaming for several months now with super cheap model and living the 5view life while i waited to see if streaming is something I enjoy.
I really like it a lot actually! Now I want to redo my model to match my personality and content, and get something nice too.
So before my “redebut” is there still a place like an /asp/ie Discord where I can chat with other vtubers? I wanna try taking this seriously and could really use the advice from more experienced streamers!

>>12858347
that's really fucking weird of someone to do that. he was probably looking for an excuse to try and reveal personal details like a face dox. ignore it and keep your own opsec. there's zero obligation to drop your opsec just because a chuuba is being retarded.

>>12858209
Did you reverse image search to check if it's truly them?

>>12862195
There’s an /asp/cord but you need to dm Lance Maverick on Twitter to get in.
There’s also a bunch of others.

>>12863224
I don’t know Lance and honestly never used Discord much at all. Is his the primary one or are there other ones you would recommend more? Don’t really care if it is /asp/ specific, just figured this would be the place to ask!

>>12864171
nta but there aren't really any discords that actually discuss growing as a chuuba. the /asp/cord is probably one of the best ones you get with actual discussion. most others like the envtuber general discord from twitter are filled with 2views spamming going live notifications and a handful of vtweeters just talking random stuff.

>>12861155
>a stereotype about yourself that you can conform to or subvert
I wonder, a friend who is also getting into this has a dopey-sounding raspy voice and, while we haven't discussed seriously his model yet, what he has described to me sound like it would make his model a bit of a pretty boy.

I think I asked something similar before but should I just follow whatever he wants when helping him make his model or instead help him shape it into something that would fit his voice?

>>12866481
>or instead help him shape it into something that
something that he didn't ask you for?

>>12849962
Rigging is something you can learn, a lot of self made chuubas self learned how to do shitty rigging and that can be as good quality as a $400 rigger nowadays.

>>12864171
the other /asp/ies that are usually namedropped for the /asp/cord are bodega rat and elliott ambers

>>12866481
Let him fail

https://www.twitch.tv/atomandevelyn/clip/CutePlainCougarPhilosoraptor-tW4B_HRuI3v67A_Y

Just found this concept (mute girl w/ mascot voiced by the guy) and it sounds much more appealing than being a babiniku or a noview male

Would you watch a streamer like this? Are there other examples?

>>12872532
AdmiralBahroo

>>12872532
why not just be a guy

>>12872532
The only other relevant person I'm aware of is AdmiralBahroo (who is changing to just a female model) but he had 10k viewers before even becoming a vtuber.

>>12872633
male avatars are a big debuff as far as I've seen, no wonder there's so many babi even with deep ass voices people prefer to look at a girl on the screen sadly

>>12872669
Male avatars aren't a debuff, being a male is a debuff and only because you need to market to a different audience than just the generic "I like vtubers." guys that most girls have access to. This image with successful males goes around a lot. The only babi with views is Joel and you aren't and won't be him.

>>12872669
do what you want but keep in mind your content matters more than your model.

Do I need a name/story for my vtuber or can I basically be a face streamer with a vtuber avatar?

>>12873127
That's what most people are

>>12873127
you do not need lore, no
are you saying you plan on streaming with your real name though? most people make up a name for the sake of separating their identity from their avatar but if that doesn't matter to you then go for it

>>12873127
You can do whatever the fuck you want. People just like to roleplay a little so they make up some story/lore

>>12873127
Do whatever you want. Most vtuber culture comes from people trying to copy Hololive/Nijisanji and none of it is necessary.

>>12873273
Not going to stream with real name but might just use a random username. I was debating using my normal username because no one knows me except a few v and vg circles I used to be somewhat apart of and I like my username, but I'll probably start from scratch. And I'm not super concerned with opsec but I'll try my best with it

>>12867080
>something that he didn't ask you for?
I mean, he has told me that he has no clear idea of what design he wants and asked me to help him design it.

>>12870789
We are both rookies. I have no real way to prevent either of us from failing other than asking people here.

>>12874116
honestly at this point you should just make whatever the fuck. your friend can pick up some experience streaming and figure out exactly what he's looking for after a few months of vtubing.

>>12872669
the male avatar isn't a debuff, the male in general is. having an anime girl wont magically fix peoples preference leaning towards girls.

>>12849962
Im a rigger and will help u for free my buddy, drop ur twt or sumn and I will dm u

Posted my reveal tweet and my heart is fucking pounding bros

>>12879331
Link it faggot.

>>12879331
the fact that i can't seem to find it through searching hashtags feels like a bad sign for your twitter reps...

>>12879597
>>12879331
wait are you supposed to be a pirate

>>12879331
are you the sheep dude?

>>12879331
i swear to god if it's one of those "50 retweets for legs and 100 retweets for torso" crap

>>12881833
No I'd rather kill myself.
I felt guilty even posting "retweets would be appreciated"

>>12781455
Commissh an artist.

>>12781023
I'm gonna play monkey ball in a bit if my fellow literal whos would like to watch.

>>12879331
Link it up, fuccboi.

>>12886077
>>12879438
>>12879597
It's kinda unconventional and themed to a specific franchise that can often attract a lot of negativity on the basis of just existing, so I'm cautious to link it anywhere on 4chan

>>12886153
Is it homestuck.

>>12886180
No it's star wars

>>12886219
Eh, I've seen worse.

>>12781455
What're you lookin for, I got whiskey and a tablet, if its a fun idea i'll draw it in mspaint in 15 seconds.

>>12886283
Might as well post it then. Probably the only time I'll do this

https://twitter.com/StarWarsEnergy/status/1458970053228077060?t=xlRpNvunpv72gRLftidy2g&s=19

>>12886382
>mask
oh no oh no
still relatively decent though, i'd give it a shot if you're one of those spergs that go super in depth on niche star wars lore nobody gives a shit about

>566 tweets
>zero content
>mask
oh no

>>12886437
>>12886463
I know the downsides of the mask and I'm embracing it. I want my content to appeal to star wars fans first and the vtubing/anime fans second so I felt like a mask would be a good way to broaden my normie appeal at the sacrifice of expression range.

As for the zero content, I have something ready to be uploaded tomorrow

>i'd give it a shot if you're one of those spergs that go super in depth on niche star wars lore nobody gives a shit about
Based. Thanks anon

>>12886382
Looks pretty good desu, and you're all rigged up. I'm still PNG mode.

Speaking of, I'm streaming monkey ball on twitch rn

twitch.tv abigailcrocm

when chuuba design goes too far

>>12886708
don't confuse chuuba design for vtuber OC larping. an anon once described them as anime fursonas for weebs.

>>12886382
I think the mask works. It's imediately identifiable as star wars inspired which is something that would be very hard to do with an anime character, even one designed as a star wars alien

>>12886708
I don't mind the concept, but 3 pupils in 1 eye? That doesn't work. If you wanted to do it like that you'd still need to separate them, so they're just be 3 eyes squished in the hole together.

>>12886382
oh man, haven't you been around these threads for a while? I could have sworn I remember seeing conversations about specifically star wars copyright and I think i remember you posting your design at least three or four months ago if not more

>>12887487
Yeah I was pretty active almost a year ago while I was just starting preparations, getting concept work done, stuff like that. Had to take a hiatus for a few months while I changed jobs but I'm finally in a position where I can actually get the ball rolling

>>12887674
aha, found ya! >>551943
its fucking me up that it has been almost a year; this was back when the thread was still called /auds/ too
glad to see that you're finally getting the ball rolling; i'm not into star wars at all but i hope you can integrate with the star wars community!

>12887674
>12887883
>almost a year and still thinks a mask is a good idea

>>12886369
this is what i have in mind for now a young boy/shota in shorts with a long trench coat. while im here might as well ask for some feedback before i commission anything

>>12888116
what is that thing around your neck

>>12887883
Thanks anon. I appreciate the kind words

>>12888116
I recommend looking at a drawthread, like /tg/ for character design sheet requests.

This looks like nothing.

About to start streaming for real, already have a very established identity. Issue is, current identity is super easy to doxx. I have drafts for a new identity (name + design). Should I ditch my current chuuba identity and go forth with my new one? Or say fuck it and just go with my current one.

//crossposted in /wvt/

>>12888655
Ditch it, start fresh with no ties

>>12888655
if you care about opsec, start fresh, if you don't, then who cares

>>12886708
>literal heart eye with three (3) irises
Why?

>>12889074
kinda looks cool, unique.

>>12886659
>babi
Man, now I see why people run away from them. I was expecting some sassy weeb girl with a southern accent and now the disappointment is washing over me.
You're doing great so far, though.

>>12889124
I think it's corny.

2 days in a row i had someone random come into chat and talk for a bit, had some fun conversations and it was fun.

As a 0 view, its really nice getting those people. I hope i get them more often.

by the end of the year I want to have my model ready, get affiliate, get to 10 average viewers, and get a few donations!

>>12889460
babi? I'm...well, I'm old.

>>12890282
Are you Abigail?
Sorry I didn't say goodbye. I was away for a bit.

>>12890778
No.

>>12890845
ok

>>12890778
It's alright partner. You missed me beating the stage though on my last try.

>>12891044
I told you to zig-zag, bro. I told you, dog.

>>12891203
I bout damn near screamed when I did it.

https://twitter.com/Metanoia_LIVE/status/1459023146783236102
indonesian auditions

Make new thread

>>12888521
I see, thanks