/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

I dug these numbers out of the archives
~October Average Viewers
Gura: 18095
Kronii: 9954
Ina: 9523
Mumei: 7786
IRyS: 7286
Baelz: 6811
Mori: 6675
Fauna: 6230
Ame: 5481
Kiara: 5153
Sana: 4577
>Average: 7961
>StDev: 3755.7

Selen: 3200
Elira: 2119
Pomu: 1862
Millie: 1720
Enna: 1597
Finana: 1574
Nina: 1417
Rosemi: 1399
Reimu: 1320
Petra: 1166
>Average: 1737
>StDev: 583.6

~ October Superchats
Mori: $49,094
Kiara: $42,836
Gura: $34,155
IRyS: $28,167
Kronii: $23,537
Ame: $17,704
Fauna: $15,899
Bae: $13,783
Ina: $10,971
Sana: $10,309
Mumei: $9,433
>Average: $23,263
>Stdev: $13,705.0

Elira: $26,031.00
Nina: $19,686.00
Pomu: $18,887.00
Selen: $17,374.00
Millie: $13,335.00
Enna: $12,829.00
Reimu: $11,389.00
Rosemi: $9,396.00
Finana: $5,879.00
Petra: $5,484.00
>Average: $14,029
>Stdev: $6,503.3

The two top-viewed accounts from either company are cleary breaking the trend. Deleting Gura and Selen results in these averages:
>HoloEN: 6948
>NijiEN: 1575
And these Stdev:
>HoloEN: 1766.6
>NijiEN: 293.3
So basically, in October HololiveEN got about 4.5x the viewers of NijisanjiEN. And about 1.6x the superchat total

>>12787927
NijiEN dead as always

I have a feeling that someday YT might pull the plug on streaming, based on how bad it was doing against Twitch. If that happens, Hololive and Nijisanji are fucked.

Kuzuha predictions, NOW

>>12788152
call 70k
floor 40k

>>12788152
me when i'm planning my eventual grudgepost

>>12788055
I had a dream that a solar flare 200x bigger than anything mankind has ever seen struck the earth and rendered all electronics useless forever, I was walking around in the desert when it happened, and the sky turned green. If that happens, Hololive and Nijisanji are fucked.

>>12788152
>>12788195
Main channel buff, meaning a lot of tourists. 60k minimum.

Betting on 80k.

>>12787927
For NijiEN atleast those arent octobers SC, they are all wrong. They are from the monetization opening for wave 3 to today.

>>12788055
All of them would just migrate to Twitch.

>>12788055
I don't agree with your thesis, but in any case no way are they fucked. Hololive and Nijisanji are both big enough, with fanbases dedicated enough, that they could transition to Twitch or some other platform, especially as a coordinated effort. It would be a setback and disruption for sure but not fatal.

>>12788152
Why so angry? Anyways, free portion of wave 1 hit 40k, Nijirock <30k. Since its kuzuha, a lot of people will buy the tickets and free portion is on main niji channel. I say 40k

>>12788271
No, I am just curious and like predictions posting. I myself feel like it can peak 50k.

>>12788152
Floor of 40k, should easily clear 60k.
Suisei managed to get 42k, and you can't say that Kuzuha is any less popular than her.

>>12788055
Streaming is becoming big on YT but YT keeps ghosting the vtubers when they ask which features to implement.

>>12788558
Youtube doesn't like anime crap.

>>12788783
It is the biggest platform for anime mvs

>>12788055
VShojo is already outpacing them.

>>12788152
100k floor, this is Kuzuha we're talking about
He managed to get 144k on Apex ffs

>>12788845
To Youtube's disgust.

>>12788879
people are attending the concert in real life, others bought the ticket and won't be watching on youtube, also it's not apex and it's not a big collab.

>>12788875
Vshojo? Outpacing who? Holo and Niji? HAHAHAHA.

>>12789026
Can Holo and Niji collab with some of the biggest streamers on Earth? Vshojo and Nimu can constantly do that, they are just 1 collab away from xqc. Vshojo already has a good relationship with OTV qnd Mizkif crew already.

>>12789026
VShojo has higher average views than most of hololive.

>>12789292
No they don't, unless you think vshojo is just nyanners and veibae in which case they still don't

>>12789250
nimu participated on the rubius tourney and didnt move her average

>>12788345
That's what it says in the archives. But even taking your word for this, that is still a 1 month timespan. In fact Ethyria is celebrating their 1 month anniversary right now. So even if it isn't the same time period, it is a time period of the same length

>12789250
>biggest streamers on Earth
Based on what your ass? Kek stop showing that your just an EOP viewer, learn to at least research your claims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4tOQLL93gs

About damn time

>>12789250

The highest peak for ironmouse was with calli not with OTV or whoever big streamer you anon are talking about.

>>12789292
And their biggest members looks midget if you compare them to the titan of hololive. What's your point?

>>12789578
Finally, but I'm curious what's the reason behind the delays?

>>12789578
IRyS....

>>12789502
This is the numbers thread, demand a little bit of accuracy in the numbers. If you say october superchats, then I expect octobers superchats. And that is not octobers superchats for NijiEN

>>12789578
Oh FINALLY, it's been like a month!
>>12789591
The claim was clearly from someone who hasn't actually done his numbers rep and/or someone baiting for (You)s. Like, ffs, Pekora alone is enough to match the combined averages of the 3 top Vshojos, if I'm remembering my numbers correctly, let alone 'bigger than Hololive'. Unless the argument is HoloEN vs Vshojo and even then the numbers don't even favor vshojo. Not to mention YT ccv being as fucky as it is.

>>12788152
60k max. Wednesday 6pm. Its not prime time

>>12789793
If the preview was that high wouldn't it mean a lot of people didn't buy tickets as well?
Suisei was an exception since SPWN shit the bed in the first half and was pretty unwatchable.

>>12789853
It means alot of poorfags

>>12788152
65k and a win.
This will not slip.

Fellow Nijifriends, we need to count this as a win for ourselves. Who will win on the 11th?

>>12790011
Its Nijisisters.
Your Nijinigger reps…

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?

>>12789648
My interest is to find the multiplier between hololive and nijisanji. How much of a buff does hololive actually have? It looks like the answer is about 4.5x for live viewers, and 1.5x for donations. For recent months anyway.

I want to watch this gap close over time

>12789292
>VShojo has higher average views than most of hololive

>>12790139
Why? Are you a stock holder in Anycolor?

>>12789508
Nimu!

>>12790263
NTA, but it's certainly something interesting to look at. Also, if NijiEN is able to become a legit competitor to HoloEN maybe they'll stop being so goddamn lazy!

>>12789292
>>12620461

>>12788345
yea the numbers are different. This pic is playboard numbers.

>>12790431
Yea, so like I said, Pekora alone beats out the combined average of Nyanners, Ironmouse and Veibae. Stupid baitpost is stupid, at least HoloEn vs JP has actual numbers to back up the shit flinging.

>>12790139
but those dates for NijiEN are not random. They are from the first monetized streams from wave 3 so of course the HoloEN-NijiEN supa relationship will be closer, supaopenings are big SC streams

>>12790613
yeah but you can remove the ethyria altogether and you will get a similar average

>>12790431
Posting the list for those of you who can't access the archives right now

>29867 :: Pekora (HoloJP)
>23123 :: Suisei (HoloJP)
>22843 :: Miko (HoloJP)
>22174 :: Gura (HoloEN)
>21484 :: Subaru (HoloJP)
>17658 :: Rushia (HoloJP)
>17423 :: Aqua (HoloJP)
>17066 :: Korone (HoloJP)
>16292 :: Noel (HoloJP)
>15611 :: Shion (HoloJP)
>14662 :: Mio (HoloJP)
>13935 :: Botan (HoloJP)
>13490 :: Kanata (HoloJP)
>12968 :: Fubuki (HoloJP)
* HoloJP: 12401
>12239 :: Kuronii (HoloEN)
>11036 :: Inanis (HoloEN)
>10739 :: Nene (HoloJP)
>10240 :: Flare (HoloJP)
>10164 :: IRyS (HoloEN)
>10150 :: Okayu (HoloJP)
* HoloEN:: 10120
>9566 :: Mumei (HoloEN)
>9481 :: Nyanners (Vshojo)
>9409 :: Ironmouse (Vshojo)
>9318 :: Haato (HoloJP)
>8888 :: Lamy (HoloJP)
>8845 :: Calliope (HoloEN)
>8743 :: Baelz (HoloEN)
>8618 :: Watame (HoloJP)
>8504 :: Polka (HoloJP)
>8417 :: Mel (HoloJP)
>8131 :: Fauna (HoloEN)
>8097 :: Veibae (Vshojo)
>7810 :: Amelia (HoloEN)
>7745 :: Luna (HoloJP)
>7635 :: Kiara (HoloEN)
>5601 :: Towa (HoloJP)
* VShojo :: 5531
>5396 :: Matsuri (HoloJP)
>5354 :: Aki (HoloJP)
>4980 :: Sana (HoloEN)
>4877 :: Sora (HoloJP)
>3858 :: Apricot (Vshojo)
>3556 :: Zentreya (Vshojo)
>3517 :: Roboco (HoloJP)
>3449 :: Choco (HoloJP)
>3429 :: Hajime (Vshojo)
>3379 :: Silvervale (Vshojo)
>3038 :: Melody (Vshojo)

>>12789578
Last original ranking video on the channel had 8 Mori 3 Suisei 1 Gura 1 Marine 1 Watame 1 Noel in the top 15. With Rainbow & Homenobi dropping + Stellar Stellar & Graveyard Shift charted, top 15 might literally be 13/15 Mori + Suisei.

I swear to god some people legit forget that vshojo is not a team of three people consisting of Nyanners Ironmouse and Veibae and that they have their own low tier performers too.

>>12790769 (me)
Oh I forgot Yoi no Yo, Yoi. Maybe 12/15 then

>>12790736
>using averages instead of peaks when VShojo has much better peaks due to how Twitch works
nice data massaging

>>12790727
>remove the ethyria
Based for removing the dead weight to make it looks like nijien isn't failing

>>12790901

>>12790858
These three alone can beat HoloEN, plus they will have future megastars as well. Twitch has growth, YT streaming not so much.

>>12790949
>These three alone can beat HoloEN
no they can't

>>12790949
Oh hey the gypsy fortune teller has moved on from nijisanji onto vshojo.

>>12790949
sure

>>12791022
Youtube streaming being a dying trend isn't fortune telling, it's statistically verifiable.

>>12791054
Says the gypsy fortune teller

>>12791054
Show statistics.

>>12791076
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-04-14-twitch-continues-to-grow-in-q1-2021-but-youtube-gaming-is-lagging

>12791054
>What is 'YT decided to fuck over everyone's CCV to appeal to advertisers'
Beyond that, both platforms saw a drop in the last quarter as more people got out of their homes. I swear, I hate YT so much for that change, ffs. You can clearly track adblock usage, just report that to advertisers instead of fucking over everyone's CCV!

>>12791102
>youtube gaming

So vshojo twitch timeloop now?
How bad niji lost yesterday?

One Million Club

1. Gura (Oct 22, 2020)
2. Korone (Nov 1, 2020)
3. Fubuki (Nov 5, 2020)
4. Pekora (Dec 4, 2020)
5. Aqua (Jan 13, 2021)
6. Marine (Jan 18, 2021)
7. Calli (Jan 25, 2021)
8. Haachama (Feb 10, 2021)
9. Amelia (Feb 11, 2021)
10. Coco (Feb 17, 2021)
11. Rushia (Mar 2, 2021)
12. Noel (Apr 12, 2021)
13. Okayu (Apr 17, 2021)
14. Miko (Apr 30, 2021)
15. Ina (May 27, 2021)
16. Kiara (May 30, 2021)
17. Matsuri (Jun 1, 2021)
18. Suisei (Jun 26, 2021)
19. Subaru (Jul 2, 2021)
20. Ayame (Jul 7, 2021)
21. Watame (Jul 17, 2021)
22. Kanata (Jul 27, 2021)
23. Botan (Oct 16, 2021)

Upcoming (over 900k):
24. Moona
25. Shion

====

Two Million Club

1. Gura (Jan 18, 2021)

Upcoming (over 1.9m):

====

Three Million Club

1. Gura (July 4, 2021)

>>12791088
https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/twitch-and-facebook-gaming-set-new-records-youtube-gaming-sees-viewership-decrease-in-q2-2021

>>12791123
Not that bad, but since Koro-san game once again won, and Kuzuha was twit-casting instead of streaming, salt. lots of salt.

>>12791102
>youtube gaming

>>12791102
>>12791238
>Youtube gaming
vtubers aren't in youtube gaming dumbass

>>12790949
All 3 of them combined beat Gura, therefore VShoujo > HoloEN. Cope and seethe Holobronies.

>>12791102
>>12791238
>youtube gaming
the absolute state of nijiniggers

>>12791327
Youtube gaming is the Youtube's Twitch competitor dumbass

>>12791343

>>12791343
anon just because people are pretending to be retarded doesn't mean you should pretend to be retarded to fit in.

Any word on the Blue Archive sponsorship?

So who underperform today that Vshojo, YouTube Gaming and facebook is being brought up by this absolute niggers?

Well, seems like the NijiEN event will be on Niji channel, consider the appearance of hosts

>>12791457
I do like Hada. But I don't know the other guy

>>12791448
One of the best, most talented Niji males had a totsu with 36 call ins and it lost to some hikki rabbit.
>>12791457
That dude's pretty dapper.

>>12791457
>nijien channel
oh for god sake
just choose one of the girls to host it

>>12791457
NONONONONO PAK TAKA GET BEHIND ME

>>12791548
Does the Nijisanji EN channel have superchats?

>>12791430
"FIRST SPONSOR STREAMS"
More than 1 sponsorship this week.

>https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qp0ad3/welcome_to_the_new_meta_of_twitch/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qqenit/nyanners_describes_the_perfect_nut/
Inclining!
veibaes clip has 150k views now

>>12790901
>due to raids
Don’t be shy faggot

>>12791669
HOLOEN MOGGED
Gura hasn't been uploaded in LSF in forever, VSHOUJO ON THE INCLINE NOW

>>12791669
>150k
is fucking weird what is considered big for clips on twitch

>>12791457
>ESL host
That will be a huge debuff. What are they thinking

>>12791800
>are they thinking
thats the secret, they never do

>>12791800
Hey man just because Hada is Australian doesn't mean she's ESL; that's kinda racist
The indog for sure is ESL though

>>12791800
Trickling down viewers from NijiEN to NijiID.

>>12791659
How big of a deal is it for Council to be landing these two sponsorships? How long after debut were the contracts likely signed?

>>12791885
Isn't BonBon in ID? Why not make him host

>>12791901
Too much swag.

>>12791889
Not that big of a deal on an individual level, but the fact that HoloEN management intend for sponsorships to be spread around and also gave these to Council relatively quickly does indicate that they're intent on making sure everyone gets a shot at the shilling pie.

>>12791901
He hosted the lazulight debuts with Hana macchia. They would have shaved viewers for all of lazulight if Taka had been the host for that one.

>>12791669
Holy crap, that's why Twitch is so much better for vtubers, that site has hundreds of millions of stream watchers that are not familiar with vtubers. If Vshojo plays their card right, they can incline big time.

>>12791889
They're landing sponsorships for successful mobages with a track record. Compare that to holoJP who's never shilled a mobage that didn't die a few months after they shilled it.

>>12791800
Hada speaks clearer english than Rosemi. She is also deliciously Australian. Taka on the other hand has a heavy accent.

>>12791800
and not even slight ESLs like Reimu and Millie. Taka is one of the most indog sounding of all of NijiID. Will get lower views than the Meltdown collab for only wave 1 and wave 2 got

>>12791877
>that's kinda racist
>indog

>>12792042
>clearer english than Rosemi.
how bad is hers? Sana level bad?

>>12791958
I'm curious why Irys doesn't have a spons yet. I mean I know Azki doesn't do spons as well but Irys is in the top 5 for CCV and top 4 for SC compared to this >>12787927 Is it because she's Project Hope thus different management?

>>12792118
French and pronounces R as W

>>12791889
Just shows that Hololive is able to get sponsorships for new talents fairly quickly.
NijiEN seems to be struggling to get sponsorships for the time being.
It has been almost 6 months since Lazulight debut and there has only been 2 sponsorship streams for NijiEN.
HoloEN had sponsorships as early as 1-2 months after debut.

>>12791958
>does indicate that they're intent on making sure everyone gets a shot at the shilling pie.
That's normal operating procedure for Hololive.
>>12792027
It just seems too big for Council. They must have known for a while since this gen is the one that has panhandled the least to date.

>>12792203
Not too big for Council, it's fitting for their stature.

>>12792112
self-hating seaniggers, pulise anderstandz

>>12791510
>some hikki rabbit
you mean Jun's onahole?

>>12792235
They're numberlets. 4 figures = numberlet

>>12792235
Should have given that to Vshojo instead, at least their numbers are way way bigger. But that's a good thing since Vshojo can pursue bigger ventures than some unknown mobile games

>>12792250

>>12792264
Relative to holoJP's status in the Japanese market they're doing way better, that's why they get the big sponsorships. There's just no competition.

>>12791510
What the fuck kind of talent does Maimoto have other than getting flamed?

>>12792337

>12792368
nice try gen5 schizo

>>12792129
Project hope and vsingers have a different direction than streamers. Its jsut that IRyS opts to stream like a regular streamer

>>12791457
8k max. Meltdown was 7.3k iirc

>>12792429
This is an industry shattering event and will show us the market. 20k is the bar we should set.
>>12792392
Being a loser.

>>12792129
We don't know if she's been offered any sponsorships or if she's working on anything of the sort. Understandably anything about these sorts of things is kept under wraps until they actually happen.

>>12790579
Hard to believe Pomu got more superchat than Ame and Ina, and got about half of Gura. And Elira got pretty close to Gura.

>>12792631
Not really? Those girls doesn't bait for SCs and doesn't read them most of the time.

Plus they also disable them if they don't feel like receiving SC.

If you want to compare similar strats regarding SC, then compare Pomu and Kiara, both saviorfag magnets.

>>12791669
Does the big number of twitch clip viewers increase the number of stream viewers?

>>12792765
Ina - Has basically said 'you don't need to SC me I make enough as an artist' and also doesn't even do dedicated SC readings
Ame - Randomly has SCs off, and also had very few solo streams and a lot of collabs + karaokes in October.

>>12792824
No, clips are their own videos and iirc you can't make money off them.

>>12792631
Elira had her birthday and Pomu is still a saviorfag magnet.

>>12792765
Pomu was very behind on superchats, like almost 10 streams of unread supas she was behind for the superchat reading. Her and Kiara arent really similar in how they handle supas. Kiara is more similar to Selen in that Selen will also read superchats for hours for most streams, so they have very few "bad" superchat streams.

>>12792631
>>12792765
>>12792631
Gura also disabled her SC today even though she can bait a lot for “being sick but still gives the members karaoke and even push through a double stream”.

Tell me anon who do you think will dominate daily top 1 list in a month without events/celebration/tournament/collab/totsu.

>>12792765
I feel like this makes HoloEN more like a rich clique, where wealth is just available while NijiEN seems a bit more blue collar.

What are the chances of Vshojo scoring a HoloJP collab, maybe with Polka?

>>12793043
If you take away all the outside buffs NijiEN has the best chemistry and entertainment value.

>>12793043
So far it's been Peckers. The median rankings are always on point with this.

>>12793043
vtuber with the most gold medals? Pekora

>>12793094
Aren't they already attending a vtuber concert with HoloJP present?

>>12792980
Yeah and she tried to read them all in a single stream, and chat challenged her to read them in 2 hours or she would face a punishment, and they all got to vote on her punishment. That was hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbHhPUnLAGU&t=15792

>>12793043
Marine and Pekora. No one else can get the numbers they get just doing normal stuff. It will most probably be a complete wipeout of the month for holos and if not that very close to it. Something like 28-29 wins in the month.

>>12793094
Probably. Polka probably has leeway to do whatever the hell she wants.
>>12793130
Yeah but that's just Miko and Suisei.

>>12793043
Pekora always seem to win in days where there is no event/no one plays buff games.

>>12793096
heh

>>12792426
>>12792472
She did say she is working on new projects but damn. This feels like kneecapping a talent if you are going to be picky with what spons she can only work on.

>>12793297
I don't even know if it's Cover being picky or IRyS being picky. We simply have no idea on the specifics of how any of this operates behind the scenes in HoloEN.

>>12793100
>>12793125
>>12793143
>>12793161
Pekora seems to be the most common answer. It makes sense i guess.

How is pekora getting this much numbers on her solo stream?

>>12793385
Cover's on staff witchdoctors use old, black magics.

>>12793143
>28-29 wins in the month.
niji already won once (?) with the blond tit 3D and today, plus splatoon tournament is surefire topping the day
so.... maybe 20 holo 10 for niji and indie

>>12793352
>>12793297
How do you even sell a EN VSinger in Japan that sings japanese songs? not to mention her design is extremely horrendous to look at so it really not marketable

>>12793385
Hard work, talent, and the best streaming time slot. She really knows how to play into the nousagi and they love to go along for the ride.

>>12793385
She braided her hair

>>12793439
>indie
you mean Hal, right? although he's not even an indie anymore

>>12793439
We are talking about a month without events, tourny and collab and who will dominate it anon.

>>12793385
Consistency in schedules, efficient but entertaining at clearing games, crazy luck or intuition to always get herself a clipper moment, and unironically being a numberfag but in a good way.

>>12793439
Read the thing I replied to anon. I was answering a question about who will in a month with no events/collabs/tourney/totsu etc.

>>12793153
>Just Miko and Suisei.
I'd say those are the most relevant JPs. Suisei likely won't interact with them because she is very professional, but Miko just might be in the same wavelength as them

>>12793555
No events for Hololive.

>>12793597
Does anyone in Vshojo know even a lick of Japanese ?

>>12793620
idk man, working with a company to collab on a game based on one of their talents seems like an event to me

>>12793636
You act like it ever stopped them. They managed to play Among Us with Ai, Deron and Siro despite not speaking a common language

When will Vshojo 3D live event with other JP peasants take place?

>>12793652
I meant Nijisanji and others keep their events but Hololive doesn't get theirs.

>>12793450
>sings JP songs
>how to market to JP?
Do you hear how retarded you sound? The numbers don't lie. She has better and consistent numbers no matter how you feel about her model. It would be easier to actually get spons for her since she regularly does gaming and singing streams.

>>12793555
Nijisanji splatoon at the end of November.

>>12793297
I think that neither Cover nor IRyS are being picky. If she hasn't received any sponsorship yet (assuming that none is coming and we just don't know about it), chances are that sponsors simply didn't think it was necessary to specifically pick her out.
I'm not trying to shit on IRyS, but just think about it: as far as I now, there are generally two ways a Hololive member is picked for a sponsored stream. Either the sponsors choose them, or the sponsor choose another member(s) and Cover negotiate to get them (and some others) into the deal. IRyS' numbers are good, but is there any reason why sponsors would specifically pick her? It's not like she fills any particular gaming niche (i.e: Kiara with her RPGs, Gura with her rhythm games). Neither is she the latest kid on the block - Council has taken this spot. Moreover, among the fresh faces of HoloEN, Kronii has higher number, and Mumei is at comparable level (IRyS' average CCV is higher, while Mumei's median is higher; IRyS has slightly higher membership floor, but the difference is less than 1,000). So, if you are a sponsor, why would you want to say "I want that IRyS girl to play my game" instead of "I want that Kronii girl (who has higher numbers in all aspects) to play my game"?
Of course, there is the chance that HoloEN management would choose her as part of the sponsor deal with other EN members. However, it'd be easier to pick Myth / Council members instead (being in the same generation and having the same management makes it easier to coordinate). Unironically, IRyS being the lone member of Project: Hope (for now) and being managed by a different team might have worked against her here.
(That's just my speculation, of course. It's not like I can tell exactly what Cover or HoloEN management is thinking)

Does anyone has an idea what do sponsors consider their pick on? Obviously, they have the data and anons might not but someone could have known.
Gura CRK has barely 15k watching but 500k views for example, which do they actually care about? The click on those ad links?

>>12793693
>Playing AmongUs with Japanese vtubers is the same as communicating with them in a normal setting.

>>12793803
Anon. Your logic only stands if only Bae wasn't chosen.

>>12793792
>Tell me anon who do you think will dominate daily top 1 list in a month without events/celebration/tournament/collab/totsu.

This is what we are talking about anon.

>>12793636
I know Nyanners and Hajime do, not sure beyond that
>>12793698
Next month some time

>>12793882
Bae couldn't have been picked as part of the package, though. I.e: sponsor picked Kronii, and Cover negotiated to get Baelz into the deal (and Mumei in case of Eternal Blue)

>>12793981
This only means Irys is being handled by a separate team.

>>12793929
Oh. Then that's easy, Pekora or Miko

>>12793803
We will have to wait. She's working on some projects and doing recordings. It could be sponsored.

>>12793864
Average viewer while streaming is important since views on VODs can be as little as a minute or two. Bae and Kronii were 15k if you add their channels together. If Gura and Ame cost more than Bae and Kronii then the latter duo is probably more bang for your buck.

>>12793981
Bae could*, not couldn't, I'm getting sleepy
>>12794029
Well, yeah, Kiara said so in her stream before

>>12793981
Maybe Bae has unique viewers. Judging from her first shill stream she seems to try and sell it and she's not prone to emotional outburts.

>>12794029
checking other vsingers none of them done a sponsorship stream. Hachi, mair, himehina, yuni, etc.

>>12793788
>market to JP
>EN
You're the retard. Her Audience is EN. She's EN.

>>12794341
Her EP was only #1 in east asia and only 30th in USA.

>Anykara to all the livers
>Don't schedule a stream near the event
>Don't stream over the event
>Now it's your chance to be useful
>Your viewers should watch the biggest event for a single liver in the year
How much is the physical ticket? Close to $100 again?

>>12794370
Don't lie anon.

>>12794341
>EN VSinger in Japan that sings japanese songs?
This is the statement. They weren't asking how to market the girl to global but to JP.

>>12794370
That was Kuzuha. You got it mixed up.

>>12794539
I don't think Anycolor did anything. People just know that if they streamed over it they'd get flak from his schizos.

>>12794664
The difference is that Kuzuha actually has a lot of EOP fangirls.

>>12794539
More like Kuzuha's schizo fans will raid anyone who streams over it.

>>12794664
>Kuzuha
>30th in USA

>>12794751
ESL fangirls you mean

>>12794751
How a lot are you talking about? Seeing that when his Vampire cover hit midnight JP the views stagnate as if being choked, I doubt that. Of course, with data you provide, if you have, I will change my mind.

>>12794370
> only 30th in USA.
Why did you bother lying about such easily verifiable stuff?

>>12794796
>Malaysia
>Singapore
>Philippines
>Indonesia
>Vietnam
>Thailand
>Cambodia
>US / CA nowhere in sight
SEA King...

>>12794300
Kamitsubaki sing several mobage song but never shill stream.
>>12794539
Live : 9600 yen
Regular stream : 4400
Limited stream : 7700 yen

>>12794796
i would never willingly perceive the vampire

>>12794300
This is the only thing that I can recall https://youtu.be/q_RU_QhLS_0

>>12794539
Hololive also did the same. Although it's more like a basic courtesy rather than a rule since we have ID constantly streaming over events.

>>12794796
Lets go Lithuanians!

What went wrong with Lain? Besides her awful voice and lack of tact you'd think she wouldn't be so dead.

>>12795240
You tell me. You disliked her vod.

>>12795257
I do that for every edengumi stream.

>>12795283
Why. I don't like nor dislike.

>>12795240
>dead
She's doing average for a woman in Nijisanji.

>>12795372
I don't even watch them

>>12795372
Dislikes are actually better than likes for the algorithm and activity. That's why I dislike every NijiEN stream being recommended to me

>>12795085
I mean it's normal for Holos to not stream over events especially during primetime because it's courtesy. I'm just curious why there aren't any streams from people at this time when usually there are. Is it really kuzuha's fans being schizos? One example is during Gen 1's concert.

>>12788152
Anything less than 300k is a massive disappointment. I say this as a massive Kuzuha fan. I am expecting big things from this. I hope it doesn't disappoint me.

>>12795240
Unironic answer from me to a bait post because I've got nothing better to do: her design promised me too much and when she debuted she underdelivered relative to my expectations. It's fully on my autism rather than her but I was expecting a deep voice FPS player with /k/ tendencies. Am I retarded for thinking she'd be like that? Yes. Will I watch her? Probably not.

>>12795414
I saw this pic before but I don’t know what you’re trying to tell us.

>>12795545
>I saw this pic before
Nah, you didn’t.
>I don’t know what you’re trying to tell us.
Nothing. Make of them what you will.

>>12795531
imo I'm pretty disappointed at Edengumi so far, not because of numbers, but because I held too high of an expectation for them being the newest JP gen coming out after a year. Their debuts was promising, but oh boy, their personalities doesn't translate well to streams or to their characters.

>>12795531
She's just cute but in a cool package. Miscast.

>>12795531
I remember people were saying that her voice sounds similar to Al*e.

>>12795531
That sucks. Maybe a future redesign can help her out.

Odo race to 1m place your bets

>>12795531
Kinda expected her to do anything with her shark motif. Disappointed it never went anywhere

>>12795640
kinda like her sister, Flare...

>>12795761
The pride of Hololive vs funny meme shark

>>12795761
The better singer will win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4tOQLL93gs

It's finally time

>>12795789
I like Gura, but her version of Odo was not her best work. I'm surprised it's almost 1m views

>30 most viewed
>40

>>12795854
I really liked IRyS' version of Odo. She killed it.

>>12795414
Nimu singlehandedly mogged the top of vshojo

>>12795414
Finana beating the Wave 3 collab kinda makes me feel bad for em.

>>12795414
Vshojo without raids.

>>12795969
Is this the equivalent of indie Hal mogged holo mem?

>>12795969
Nimu is honorary vshojo.
>>12795639
Wrong models and I feel people moved on from them before they could get their bearings.

Any idea why she is trending? Or maybe this is a different Kiara?

>>12796031
It's the equivalent of Hal mogging Kuzuha.

If Nimu mogs Gura, then yeah, it's the equivalent of Hal mogging Holomem.

>>12795941
Her version is almost studio level crisp. This dude was able to make an MV for her https://youtu.be/2SXHxLnr7Js

>>12796085
She did an endurance karaoke.

>>12796085
Karaoke stream iirc

>>12796111
IRyS karaoke is always crisp.

>>12796120
>>12796125
Oh right I forgot.

>>12796184
She also hit her goal of 1.25 mil so that could also be a factor

>>12795841
10. Suisei - Next Color Planet
9. Mori - Bully
8. Mori and BOOGEY VOXX - Graveyard Shift
7. Gura - REFLECT
6. Mori - Red
5. Mori - RIP
4. Suisei - GHOST
3. HoloMyth - Myth or Treat
2. Suisei - Stellar Stellar
1. Mori - end of life

Like usual, top 10 is full with Suisei's and Mori's original songs and despite having 11 original songs, none of Watame's original songs appear here.
Also it's missing Ayame's original song.

>>12795841
>Mori and Suisei win lol
Damn. We need them to graduate for diversity's sake.

>>12796364
Reflect is the only song that doesn't feature Mori or Suisei. My lord those two just dominate Hololive music.

>>12796364
Rip Reflect. No longer the powerhouse it once was.
GHOST is likely going to be the new powerhouse now (outside of new releases). And to be fair, it's probably one of Suisei's best

>>12795841
>>12796364
>>12796391
>>12796396
Pink and blue is the strongest combination

>>12796446
PekoMiko…

>>12796364
It's because this channel has a more than 5(?) days rule since it's release to be charted. Not really needed when Yoi no Yo, Yoi would be 10th over Next Color Planet.
But Suisei and Mori totals for 9 songs out of the top 10 and 12 out of top 15, exactly like I predicted but I forgot about KanaTowa original >>12790769

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjlMPu5sEgw
Getcha only need 55k to 10M, also Tenkyuu at 9.8M and GHOST at 9.7M

No major streams on Hololive. Kuzuha's Concert will take the day then i guess?

What stream could possibly beat a fuckin celebration concert? Holos already used all their bullets

>>12796419
Yea, the lack of an MV is hurting reflect, and it looks like the Topic version has gained weight k the algo too if you look at views gained. This is an advantage Mori's originals have over everyone since her topic is merged into her channel for views.

>>12796487
>PekoMiko dominate streaming
>Deathstar dominate music
Blue/Pink alliance dominates on all fronts.

>>12796509
Marine's guerilla graduation(if /hlgg/ is to be believed) might take it.

>PREDICTIONS?
Also: will she enable SC?

>>12796547
17k max.

>>12796543
>Marine's guerilla graduation(if /hlgg/ is to be believed) might take it.
there's no way they're that retarded, right?

>>12796547
>unarchived
>enable SC
Anon-chama...

>>12796532
GuraMori dominate subs...or GuraAI ( AI is pink)

>>12796547
>Unarchived
>Enabling SC

>>12796581
how new anon? every single announcement is a graduation especially if its from a holo

>>12796582
>>12796588
Oh, wait… you’re right. Should make an archived one right after

>>12796581
Oh yesterday was 'fun'. Between the mistranslated Korone and Ominous Senchou announcement the threads were chock full of DOOMPOSTING.

>>12796547
Only for the archived karaoke if she's smart. Why even do unarchived first? Come out with the biggest swing you have and empty their wallets in a fit of emotion. Don't make them lose interest with the unarchived version. Take them to the cleaners.

I will massively seethe if Sana doesn't take SCs for her archived karaoke. I take council's unwillingness to earn poorly, it feels like they're insulting us.

>>12796619
She's doing an archived zatsudan/return stream afterwards.

>>12796651
I still feel extremely uneasy about Korone. Not numbers related but it kinda hurts.
>Marine
Fuck if I know. Sounds like the usual schizo shit.

>>12796655
IRyS is really the only one in EN who can properly pull off archive karaoke since she already knows so many Japanese songs. Kiara does it too but not nearly as often as IRyS.

EN Karaoke streams are almost always going to be unarchived.

>>12796492
Suisei about to get 3 more songs over 10 million, insane. Mori also has like 4 songs within striking distance pretty soon too (Live Again, Red, Off with Their Heads, and the Roki cover).

These two can't be stopped when it comes to music.

>>12796709
Well, with Korone, she has a ton of irl shit that she's mentioned being a major stressor (mom's sick, extended family member probs passed from what I've heard) and she was NOT diagnosed with autonomous nerve disorder or whatever the fuck that SeaMonkey translation was, more like general stress so her 'nerves were shot'.
I remain neutral on Marine, but we've got an announcement frame up in 5 and a half hours.

>>12796831
>more like general stress so her 'nerves were shot'
That does happen. I've known someone who went through it. Extreme stress leads to not eating or sleeping right.

>>12787927
NijiEN's average viewers are literally just error bars for HoloEN

>>12796831
Probably nothingburger if Korone will stream ASMR at the same time.

>>12796770
Cover needs to graduate and unperson them so they sign with Anycolor. Us holofans want to see more of our favorites rather than the same 2 all the time.

>>12796874
Are people really worried about Marine's announcement with a thumbnail like that? LOL

Coco's announcement has really given people some serious PTSD.

>>12796874
Sana probably wouldn't come back the same day Marine has a graduation announcement. I don't think there would be a 6 man holo collab right before a graduation announcement.

Gen 3 concert was cancelled most likely.

>>12788558
YT ghosts everybody. If anything Vtubers are getting better treatment than most. Like Coco got that antispam earlier than other channels and how clips got enabled for Holo channels before the wide release.

>>12796874
What type of graduation announcement has a thumbnail like that? Isn't black thumbnails the common procedure for serious announcements? Like rushia's break for example.

>>12796487
>>12796532
MiComet dominates my heart.

>>12796893
Interesting hypothetical. I wonder how much of Mori's fanbase would follow her if she left Hololive and signed with NijiEN.

The Hololive brand is strong as we saw from Kson. She still puts up good numbers but not nearly as much as she did as Coco so the greater Hololive fanbase didn't follow her over.

>>12796922
Niggers here don’t even watch Marine they’re just itching for any drama.

>>12796979
Mori in NijiEN would be a HUGE asset. Like, the management better fucking grovels under her feet.

>>12791327
Are they not? What is Youtube Gaming anyway, and how does it differ from regular youtube streaming?
>>12791102
>>12791238
Those articles are completely missing the point though. The "decline" in viewers they're reporting coincides directly with Youtube's implementation of the viewer culling that's hit HoloEn's views

>>12796981
True. I...uh, may have caused the /ahoy/ general to go a bit schizo by posting a link to her tweet yesterday. Oops.
Regardless, the announcement is important, so hopefully good or neutral news.

I was just checking Miko's channel to see how many views the sports fest stream got and I noticed that the ridiculous baby stream she did earlier this year is only 8,000 views away from 1 million. That would give her 4 streams with over 1 million views.

https://youtu.be/5vNh4QIR5Sc

>>12796979
Calli is not the best example, she might be amassing lots of “music only” fans that aren’t around for her streams but that listen to and are fans of her music.

Those would follow her anywhere, but most holos don’t have that segment

>>12796979
Most of Cocos casual fanbase didn’t follow her. Her hardcore gachis did though, or at least a good fraction. Hence her bananas SC income/ccv ratio.

Mori leaving Myth for NijiEN is so implausible I have a hard time imagining how it would go. If it were in good terms Coco style her music fanbase would largely carry over. If it were in bad terms she would cultivate an absolutely incredible crop of psycho antis. Like I said it’s such a weird scenario I can’t predict how it would go

>>12796527
Despite being crippled with no MV (and might get crippled again after the MV version released). Gura is doing extremely well when music isn't her main.

Anyone notice Kiara basically did a five song set of kpop songs during her karaoke? Mostly English/Jp versions but also did a KR version. KR bros were popping out of the bushes in chat. Still think Gura should do the same and let the KR clippers go to work and cement HL as the dominant KR vtubers and lay the groundwork the same way Korone, Coco et al did for EN

Kuzuha's preshow has already mogged all of today's finished streams.

>>12797365
I can't even imagine a way for it to happen in good terms. The only way I could imagine would some kind of merger between Cover and Anycolor and they send Calli to sav-, I mean, boost NijiEn

>>12797446
my knees are ready Kuzubros.

>>12797100
oops my mistake. Yeah majority are under Gaming, but there are some under Music like Calli and HimeHina
>What is Youtube Gaming anyway, and how does it differ from regular youtube streaming?
it's the category of your channel

>>12797446
this time for sure! Nijisanji main channel #1 for today

>>12797446
Kuzusis are you going all out in shitposting today?

>>12797491
This will not slip!

>>12797491
Is it the entire event or is it just a preview for the paid concert?

>>12797447
I feel like Myth are intensely loyal to each other, even more so than to Cover. It would take some tremendous yab to make one of them leaving for another company palatable to their fans. Coco making the national news and battling chinks for nearly a year was enough but it would require something of that magnitude. Going back to their previous lives would probably be fine though.

>>12797587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izqfrq_vpv4

>>12797615
Sorry, I don't watch Nijishitty and I refuse to click on the video to read the description. The day I give Nijishitty a view is the day I leave this earth. Fuck them.

>>12797141
Another example of an unusual 1M VOD:
>Big collabs
>Major events
>Endurance Streams
>First Yakuza stream
and finally
>Random Minecraft stream about her house getting hit by lightning

>>12794300
not sure if it counts as shill stream but when MaiR got the kangol deal, she did shill it for some time on her regular singing streams

>>12797649
The absolute state of holobronies

>>12797663
That stream was actually hyped up since people noticed it had burned down watching other member's streams and wanted to see Pekora's reaction to it.

>>12797649
Just read the title if you're able to do that.

>>12794911
Kamitsubaki has performed some anime songs too.

>>12797663
This is a fun game let’s check some other Holos… holy shit Gura has a lot of 1M videos. Plug and play? Random Minecraft steams?

>>12797704
It hit its peak of 60k viewers long after Pekora visited and reacted to her home though. It was the PekoMoona Wither fight

>>12797806
Well yeah, Gura mogs everybody when it comes to streams with 1 million views.

>>12797811
Oh wow, I totally forgot that was also part of that stream.

>>12797781
*anime theme songs
https://anidb.net/creator/61097
https://anidb.net/creator/64735
https://anidb.net/creator/64302
https://anidb.net/cr65431

>>12797806
Yeah Gura is a massive outlier when it comes to VOD views. She's the only one like that

>>12788152
>first 10 minutes
40k

>30 minutes
70k

>if it goes longer than that
80k peak

>>12797878
Kuzuha? dude stream like long hours with high ccv

So... Today winner is Nijisanji, not Kizuna? Since we count the channel which has the stream

>>12797949
Kuzuha's 1M are mostly him putting on long watch hours to bloat out the vod view later. His view trends is shit though.

>>12797878
The statement that I've seen one or two Anons say that "Gura is more like a traditional YouTuber who happens to stream instead of a vtuber in terms of subgrowth" seems to mesh with this. Lots of people subbed go her, and watch the VODs, not that much of an increase to her CCV. The twitter to sub-rate for Gura vs the rest of Hololive (and Council, for obvious reasons of sub-slashing) also line up.
So yea, her subs aren't dead subs per say, just different types of watchers. I bet a lot of them are clipwatchers too.

>>12797878
VOD views are useless, how many times does this place have to tell you????

>>12797811
>PekoMoona Wither fight
>>12797833
>I totally forgot that was also part of that stream
That Minecraft arc was stacked as fuck. For instance, in the same day of streaming
>Moona finished her automatic secret escalators
>Miko made her first visit to the server in a while
>Moona got a lot of dogs
>Sora met moona for the first time
>Pekora had that hilarious scene where she hits Moona’s dogs and they chase ber
>Moona helps Sora to find dogs
>Miko visits Moona’s house in their first interaction ever and get pranked by her by getting trapped under the stairs

There was a reason Pekora was getting 60k on MC streams and it was not just because pre cut.

>>12797949
I think the strange thing is Gura also have streams with low ccv or short stream time can still reach 1M, might because new fans rewatch her old content?

>>12797984
Kuzuha you pleb! And yes, winner would be Nijisanji(Nijisanji) since it's on the main channel.

>>12797949
>>12797996
Well he has this seemingly random Rhythm Heaven stream

>>12797984
lol yeah, can't wait for kuzuhaschizo to cry about it.

Looking at the music rankings HL Suisei and Mori alone are enough to completely dominate. It made me think, the only realistic way I could see NijiEN inclining dramatically is getting a musician as productive and successful as either of them. Not easy obviously, since signing with HL would be the obvious choice but at least conceivable. Any other niche weeb musical artists poised to break out that follow vtubers out there? I mean there have to be a few

>>12798027
>>12797984
Poor Kuzuha can't even claim it's his gold even though it's a celebration concert of him LMAO

Sasuga King of Bronze

>>12797878
She's not an outlier, she has huge CCVs that are just hidden because of Youtube's broken filtering

>>12798008
>this place
You surely mean one (1) schizo

>>12797984
Yep, Kuzuha will not get a gold.

Although the stream isn't doing as well as I was expecting. Its almost 40 minutes in and only slightly over 30k. Certainly good but some anons here were saying 100k.

>>12798046
>2 years ago
That's a telltale of the old. We don't have data on view trends for that.

>>12798076
its not the concert yet.

>>12798068
ding ding ding

>>12798076
It's not the free part yet, dumbass

>>12798022
Clips help a ton here. You see a clip, you might go back and catch parts of the vod you missed. Since Gura gets clipped a ton, she reaps the sub + VOD watches for those who do go VOD trawling.
>12798008
(you) claim they are useless. They are not. YouTube is primarily a video WATCHING site first and foremost, and VODs are actually useful unlike on Twitch where that shit is gone after a month. And don't go dredging that Hal interview up, I already looked at it and broke it down as to why it's not necessarily applicable to Holomem who get good VOD growth, even though the points he makes are important to consider.

>>12798115
Anon, the concert is a paid event. It won't be on youtube. The video going on now even has links where you can buy tickets for the niconico broadcast.

>>12798076
>Yep, Kuzuha will not get a gold.
Wait wait wait wait wait … am I kneeling in the wrong direction?
I thought Kuzuha would get the gold today!
What’s with the vampire donating his gold first to the Chronoir channel and then to the main channel. When was even the last time he finished #1?

Kuzuha is going to cry about he's mistreated in this thread while wiping tears with all the money he got from the event.

>>12798061
There is an infinite pool of Utaites to draw from.

>>12798208
>talking about money
Nijikeks are already inhaling copium. Not a good sign.

are all ninji concerts streamed on the main niji channel not the streamer's?

>>12798061
>a musician as productive and successful as either of them.
Music part is definitely true. It's one of the few thing that can't be largely contained by the holobubble. But nijisanji music talents are signed up to a label. Nijisanji doesn't try to be a music producer in the way INNK/Cover does. So it's better for a music producing indie might to just sign up to a label directly. Or join Sony

>>12797842
I wonder why they don't include new Muv-Luv's opening they've done recently. I wish we actually knew their sales, that'd be interesting to compare.

>>12798247
Yep because money is much less valuable than ccv.

>>12798150
I can’t imagine why you would ever go back and watch an Apex VOD if the streamer has hundreds of other multi hour Apex VODs unless something very interesting happened and you wanted content. Highlights, clips sure but the stream VOD itself probably not.

>>12798208
When he said he's afraid to stream last night, is it to boost his money output on the concert? sasuga vampire sama

>>12798298
Hal has more total views from livestream VODs than video uploads though?

>>12798273
They sale all the merch/cds at their booth site so you'll never get any numbers from there.

>>12798008
you and the other voices in your head still only count as 1 person.

>>12798270
>Or join Sony
Not on my watch

33k for the preshow
1.8k waiting for the free portiong of the show
which is kinda low imo

Is the free portion also being streamed on Nico?

>>12798298
Exactly one of the points I made. There is almost no reason to rewatch an Apex VOD. There are plenty of reasons you might want to go back and watch a VOD from Gura or Pekora or Marine. That's why Hal's views from videos/highlight reels are going to be way better than VOD growth, even before accounting for the difference in ad rev and YT premium.

>>12798225
Utaites mostly do covers. The percent who produce their own originals is much smaller. Mori also brings in a very different crowd that’s EN friendly. I don’t think just finding a successful utaite would work the same way.

I'm checking the live viewership rankings on Ikioi and the Kuzuha stream is actually LOSING viewership. Just dropped from 33k to 31k after I refreshed. What a massive flop this turned out to be.

>>12798297
I’ll be bold and say, at least for this thread
>a number you can measure and compare is worth more than a dozen numbers you can’t

>>12798357
>Sony
AHAHAHAHAHHA someone needs their history reps

>>12798393
It’s not the main event yet to the best of my knowledge. The free part of the main even is a separate stream

>>12798270
>it's better for a music producing indie might to just sign up to a label directly. Or join Sony
True talents would do directly to them. Not trying to become a vtuber. Although, the easiest path to success as compared to being invested by music labels or sony where failure means your entire career is finished, is by becoming a vtuber first. Honestly though, you get better buck joining Hololive instead since labels won't cut a huge chunk of your music revenue and you already got a steady stream of a global fanbase.

>>12798441
Cope

>>12798361
I think so

>>12798061
I wonder why they didn't try to hire at least 1 member in Council that is a musician like Mori, since it can definitely boost the gens popularity in the long run

>>12798375
Well yeah, but that's due to them not having the resources to produce an original. They could do something similar to IRyS and hire the best Utaite they could find and hook them up with composers/lyricists. Not a foolproof strategy of course, Anycolor might be aiming for a Suisei or a Calli but end up getting someone with worse numbers than AZKi.

>>12798374
>That's why Hal's views from videos/highlight reels are going to be way better than VOD growth
>https://playboard.co/en/channel/UChLfthKoUV502J7gU9STArg (2020/06/28 ~ 2021/06/28)
>Number of Video Upload only vids = 258
>Total of Video Upload only vids views = ~42.729M views
>Number of Livestream = 716
>Total of Livestream (VOD) views = ~118.204M views
>views are going to be way better

>>12798061
They're not in Elira's and Pomu's circle of indie friends? Sorry they're not getting in.

ok so, am i missing something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL8i_PzVLYs
this is the stream right?
is everyone in the preshow stream?
or everyone is going to watch it on nico only?
the waiting room is really low
and we are 10min until then

>>12798502
>musician like Mori
to avoid doubling specialties probably. But that's stupid. Just needs someone in a different music genre

>>12798249
There haven't been solo live concerts for a long time but yeah, they are.

>>12798375
Mori is literally the golden goose cover had ever laid eyes upon in the industry. No other utaites could measure up to her. Singing ability? Yes probably. But they don't have skills song writing, music production, connections and animation skills that Mori has on top of her work ethic. That's why Cover should get Milky straight away for EN3.

Using the hashtag feature on YT, most of Nijisanji's Korean clips were made like 3 months ago while new Hololive's Korean clips are being uploaded almost every hour. The views of Niji clips also trail behind Holo clips as well. Most of Nijisanji's most viewed Korean clips involve Hololive one way or another. I kinda find that really funny.

>>12798544
Pre-show is fuwa and other livers shilling the stream before the actual concert. The free part comes after that.

>>12798008
yeah thats why all youtubers that only upload videos and don't stream are massive failures

>>12798435
Do you not know who that is, newfag?

>>12798502
Maybe they thought it would be more important to fill other niches since they have Mori, Kiara and Irys for music output on the EN side.

>>12798324
Yes, but the interview he talked about video view gain, and indicated that his short highlight videos did better in view gain/time vs his VODs, and also that the shirt videos were helpful for sub growth and viewer attraction. Which makes sense since they're basically him clipping his own stuff instead of having a legion of clippers at his beck and call like Hololive has.
Remember, he streams almost every day but only puts a short video out like, once a week+ from the looks of it.

>>12798604
>>12798435
Whoops meant to quote >>12798270 lmao

>>12798558
All of that, and the most important thing
>to be stuck in a dead end job in Japan trying to make ends meet
Without that she wouldn’t have fit the “Yahoo house of broken dolls” theme and would likely have succeeded on her own without needing rescue

>>12798594
i just find the waiting room rally low.
no one from the preshow also have that tab open seem such a weird jop behavior.

>>12798506
Mori had multiple albums while living a grim poorfag existence eating shitty takeout off her computer/desk/table. You can put out a Cover by being a pretty good singer. Creating an original requires writing, singing, mixing, editing, sometimes translation, and production skills which she either can do herself or has a circle of creatives she can call upon. For Mori she also did her own animation and MVs. That’s partially why she’s pumping out covers and originals at >1/month.

>>12798647
You don't understand. Raindrops and Gen 1's concert preshow had below 10k for a preshow. You can kind guess already the floor for the concert part when the free part for the two concerts got 28k and 44k respectively.

>>12798583
>Most of Nijisanji's most viewed Korean clips involve Hololive one way or another
Kek, please tell me at least they clip niji KR

>>12798647
give it a bit of a wait anon.

>>12798508
Thanks for the raw numbers.
I do wonder how the growth on his older videos do as well, as he mentioned that they had surprisingly good growth even though they were 'old' whereas his VODs got almost no new views after a day or two.
Also, the length of the videos does affect total views so I wonder how that works out to views/video length (I could do the math but I'm being a filthy phoneposter right now)

>>12798749
Problem is stream views count as views but they only show ads at the start. VOD of the stream and clips/highlights have a much better ad/view time ratio.

>>12798641
I was replying to a post about music taklents for NijiEN. It is doubtful if any EOP/ESL outside of 4chan even remembers who Kaguya Luna is. But they will know Sony and that its a media giant

>>12798076
>Certainly good but some anons here were saying 100k.
It's not going to get 100k because the people watching the youtube stream are tourists and poorfags who didn't get a ticket.
Why would you watch the free portion on youtube when you have a virtual ticket?
None of his hardcore fans will be watching the stream on youtube.
The same applies for every previous Holo or Niji free concert stream.

>>12798647
Gotta remember that mobile adoption is pretty high in Japan, and given the times a lot of people are watching on phone instead of at home so they can't be in both the preshow and the waiting room at the same time.

>>12798061
Ethyria was supposed to be that - a music focused gen. 3/4 members were pretty well-known singers / utaites before. However, you cannot blow up solely on your singing even if you are amazing.
Even Suisei needed a big break with Saga Jihen and Next Color Planet gaining huge traction to blow up as a singer. Adding on to that, her stream moments like Project Winter, Tetris, and Hi Honey attract new people to check out her music and cultivate her core music fanbase.
On the other hand, Mori started her Hololive career with an extremely unique EP that featured speed rap, melodic / ballad rap and a killer loopable debut song in R.I.P, all with her own lyrics and wordplays. She instantly got a huge music following and she has been doing a great job cultivating it even more.
It's hard to succeed with Mori's way since you need to find a unique niche that can captivate a large audience. But it is possible to blow up like Suisei with what Ayame did. Without talking about her "not streaming" buff, Ayame propelled herself upward with her cover of Goodbye Sengen. Since then, new people got recommended and became her music fan, listening to her King, Ghost in a Flower, and Yoi no Yo, Yoi.

>>12798808
yeah but its hard to deny how awful Sony's management was considering how Luna was basically a silver platter with her talent and huge convert audience. So I can imagine how shit it would be for other prospecting vtubers under Sony with even less ideal starting points.

>>12798558
People that aren't familiar with Mori don't seem to realize how much of a workaholic she is, like she needs to be working on a project at all times.

>>12798821
i guess that could be
9.7k now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL8i_PzVLYs

>>12798838
Yep, it all started with her debut. She had a fully produced original song complete with a full music video on her freaking debut stream. That is kind of insane.

>>12798061
Didn't Mori also announced that she will release a new song with another myth this month? + Another one in the future with an indie(Milky). I wonder why cover waited so long for her to collab with indies, and what are planning that they allowed it

>※本配信の切り抜きやスクリーンショットの撮影はご遠慮ください。※Please refrain from taking screenshots and/or clips of this stream.
kek

How much will Sony have to offer to convince Mori to jump shit?

>>12798972
Money can't buy freedom

>>12798969
Oh my

Hololive encourages screenshots of their concerts.

>>12798969
Weird, doesn't Hololive show allow screenshots though?

>>12799008
Screenshots yes, clips no

>>12798972
Remember when this board was convinced Haachama and Shion were graduating soon after Coco's graduation and the great exodus was about to start?
Fun times.

Mori and Gura are the aces of the Myth generation.

They are both pink and blue women. Coincidence? I think not!.

But seriously. Cover must have some black magic in their recruiting department when they got Gura and Calli on their first EN generation.

>>12798969
is this only for kuzuha's or is it the same for all niji concerts?

>>12798972
>destroy all current ties for money
Try again next life.

>>12798838
Once you're in the algo train. You've got to keep it coming. Be it with memes or new songs.

>>12799007
Screenshots were allowed for the last 2 Niji concerts...

>>12799046
only this one. my guess is since is gonna be deleted they have some kind of deal with NND

>>12799007
Of course. The know how valuable free advertising from the fans are.

>>12798969
Kuzuha NFT confirmed!!!

>>12799066
The free sections for Niji concerts are always deleted.
Might be something new that happened after the last concert stream.

>>12799007
Why does Nijisanji keep doing this though? People said Hololive was isolated in vtuber world but they are generous with their fans. Nijisanji, on the other hand, keeps on stifling any chance to bring Niji to a wider audience.

>>12798811
If you're a fan of the guy why wouldn't you watch both parts?

>>12798969
>AnyColor staff

>>12798972
Big labels are attractive to new artists because they provide access to top tier studios and requirement, producers, mixers, vocal coaches, and will advertise and distribute your work. They will also cover up front costs because all of that is expensive.

Mori doesn’t need that really. She has enough skill in most aspects of music production she either already has contacts or can scout fans who can do it probably for cheap. She’s popular enough she can get access to top talents and she has huge social media presence already. She is absolutely rolling in money. Whatever minor benefits she might get aren’t worth the label’s cut. And of course she would never leave Myth and her friends to sell out to Sony.

>is also streamed on tiktok
didnt even know niji had a tiktok account

>>12799112
Why would you watch the free section on youtube when you have a ticket and can watch the whole thing on NND?