/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>12787824
Because it's the best

Chinese clippers
The fanbase hates the Chinese but they were born from the Chinese, pretty funny

>>12787824
clippers chose them instead of niji... thats basically it.

>>12787824
At the right place and the right time

>>12787824
Shit competition

>>12787824
People will say nonsense about clips but it has nothing to do with it.
I don't know why they're popular in JP exactly but in the west it's pretty clear.
How long exactly has the entertainment industry, the US specifically, been deteriorating? All of my adult life, it's just been in decline.
It reached a critical mass after 2016, there was so many absolute batshit insane stuff that you either watched and became batshit too or ignored and was based. But then you lack entertainment.
How long can you spend watching high quality movies from the 20th century? There is limited amount.
All there was that was safe from propaganda was streaming. Then COVID hit.
Hololive is popular because even if you're sitting there rotting your brain watching a girl you can't understand play minecraft, at least someone else isn't rotting your brain for you.

>>12788327
>People will say nonsense about clips but it has nothing to do with it
You're speaking very confidently about something you know nothing about. Hololive Moments used to be linked along with official Hololive channels since it contributed to their growth that much. Why do you think the Taiwan incident was such a big deal? The Chinese fanbase was huge.

>>12788479
The amount of high quality moments that were clipped speaks for itself but it doesn't explain why people were on the site to begin with.

>>12788327
You think people would really watch vtuber if mainstream media wasnt deteriorating.

>>12788519
What site? Miko was a 2view before her clips blew up. She didn't magically become a good streamer overnight, she was one even before she got famous. It was the clip of her saying nigger that propelled her into stardom. And plenty of VTubers said the nigger word, it really is not a matter of Miko having been exceptional at all. It's clips going viral and the algorithm picking them up.

>>12788603
>It's clips going viral and the algorithm picking them up.
What site?

>>12788629
YouTube. If you're asking me why people use YouTube, in my experience it's usually coomerbait and cat videos.

ultimate GFE

>>12787824
They're just that good and they don't have any real competition because of that.

>>12788676
Yeah sure that explains everything then.
Clips take a few minutes, long ones are like 10-20.
People spend/spent hours watching streams, clips don't explain that.
Clips explain the discovery, not the popularity.
Even if you're saying it's inevitable that girls like that would become popular as long as they're seen, their still has to have been something those eyes were turning away from.

>>12788839
>Even if you're saying it's inevitable that girls like that would become popular as long as they're seen
I am, yeah.
>their still has to have been something those eyes were turning away from
Not really. The majority of the Hololive fanbase is concentrated on Reddit, the hub of Marvel enjoyers and Disney brand loyalists. That's not meant as a dig, that's reality. It's totally possible to enjoy mainstream pop culture and VTubers at the same time. Did you know Hololive actually recently did a Guardians of the Galaxy tie-in? Clearly there's an overlap in audience.

random short clips just fill the need of people who don't use chinktok regularly

>>12787824
Because they stream on youtube. EVERYONE is on Youtube so any amount of exposure creates a feedback loop through the algorithm. Doesn't explain why hololive instead of Nijisanji but someone who watches both can probably explain part of it. Does Niji have anything like hologra? I know they have concerts.

>>12788959
They're obviously not a majority, it's just an official social location.
I don't buy the other premise either, that is clearly aimed at nips.

>MUH algorithm
>MUH clips
>MUH zhangs
Did you ever think that maybe they are very talented and entertaining people?

>>12789249
>They're obviously not a majority
Well that's just a cope. I sure hope you don't think this board accounts for any majority of the Hololive audience. You can take a look at the Leddit numbers yourself and they vastly outnumber the amount of posters here.
>I don't buy the other premise either, that is clearly aimed at nips.
Doesn't make a difference. The VTuber audience still enjoys western pop culture to a sizeable enough extent that a tie-in was deemed profitable.

>>12789251
It's all of those, anon. You don't make it in the entertainment industry without talent, exposure, and a little bit of luck.

>>12789412
>Well that's just a cope. I sure hope you don't think this board accounts for any majority of the Hololive audience. You can take a look at the Leddit numbers yourself and they vastly outnumber the amount of posters here.
Sure but they're both miniscule compared to the amount of views clips get.
>Doesn't make a difference. The VTuber audience still enjoys western pop culture to a sizeable enough extent that a tie-in was deemed profitable.
I don't doubt that but I said at the beginning that my thoughts were specifically about why they became popular to the western audience.
Specifically why so many people were willing to give them a try in the first place.

>>12789506
>Sure but they're both miniscule compared to the amount of views clips get
The YouTube Hololive audience IS the Reddit audience. Coco's Reddit meme reviews always got an insane amount of views. There is no real discernable difference between the two audiences.
>I don't doubt that but I said at the beginning that my thoughts were specifically about why they became popular to the western audience
If you really need more proof that Hololive fans enjoy western pop culture just look at the popular memes. Even on this board people make edits of Amelia as the Joker and you can't forget all of the Ryan Gosling memes. Come on now.

>>12789665
Now your topic is just nonsense. I don't care about your obsession with reddit.
Hundreds of thousands of people started to watch Hololive.
Why did they decide to go from watching The Office on repeat to watching a clip of a specific niche of streaming?
Even if they found that content hilarious, what made it take a higher priority than other content? Literally everything is clawing for people's attention these days and yet so many went toward those clips.
You aren't trying to explain that at all, im a little suspicious you were just annoyed at the implications of what I said originally.

>>12787824
Cute anime girls doing cute and silly things. Imagine an everyday chapter of wataten, yuru yuri, or ichigo mashimaro with love live elements in it (also yuribait is the best yuri). It's like an utopic fantasy for 28+yo hikis and weeaboos.

>>12789878
>Why did they decide to go from watching The Office on repeat to watching a clip of a specific niche of streaming?
Most people watch more than one type of content. If they enjoyed The Office before I highly doubt they stopped because they clicked on some 5 second VTuber clips that seemed interesting.
>Even if they found that content hilarious, what made it take a higher priority than other content?
Absolutely nothing points to it having been a higher priority. The majority of VTuber fans are clipwatchers for a reason. They DON'T prioritize streams. People admit this freely.
>Literally everything is clawing for people's attention these days and yet so many went toward those clips
People will watch anything on YouTube that catches their eye. Do you think watching an anime girl saying nigger on YouTube stopped them from watching other content? Your entire argument relies on a false premise that 5 second stream clips are a priority in anyone's life and not just as simple as see shiny funny looking thing on YouTube > click play button > laugh and move on with your day.

>>12789251
>talent
>entertaining
Hahahahahahhaahahahahaha

>>12787989
Heuz they earned the ire when they went full schizo over a fucking analytics page.
They deserve to get shit on.

>>12790026
Something Niji wish they have to save their slow and steady decline

>>12790023
>Most people watch more than one type of content. If they enjoyed The Office before I highly doubt they stopped because they clicked on some 5 second VTuber clips that seemed interesting.
>Absolutely nothing points to it having been a higher priority. The majority of VTuber fans are clipwatchers for a reason. They DON'T prioritize streams. People admit this freely.
No because it's about how Hololive is popular, not how hololive clips is popular. I'm working under the assumption that most people actually go and watch streams. Gura has had a consistent amount of viewers for her whole stream, either that's 10k people who are watching one thing for 2 hours or its more who are watching it for a short length of time. It's a lot of people though. This time last year she had 100k people watching her live sing karaoke.
>People will watch anything on YouTube that catches their eye. Do you think watching an anime girl saying nigger on YouTube stopped them from watching other content?
Kind of, my premise is more so that they had already stopped consuming TV content regularly and were seeking alternatives.

>>12790295
If you really want to get into numbers talk Hololive has declined in the west significantly. Sure Gura pulls high views but she's the only one that does so significantly. So if Hololive was this great revolt against the pozzed western media like you're implying it sure didn't last long. Let's say Gura gets 10k live views. Clips still get hundreds of thousands of views. And you could say, "well, the Holomems still get good VOD views!" but that still proves that Hololive streams are not a priority as people don't prioritize watching them live. Hololive JP still reigns superior numbers wise, and as we've established the Japanese like western media enough for the GotG tie-in. I don't know where you're going with the cable TV thing because that's been sufficiently replaced with streaming services and services like Disney Plus are doing great.

>>12790536
>If you really want to get into numbers talk Hololive has declined in the west significantly.
Maybe. All we can say for definite is that EN numbers went down. I watched Kiara until she did that karaoke collab with Nene for example, then it was Nene I watched.
>So if Hololive was this great revolt against the pozzed western media like you're implying it sure didn't last long.
At the beginning I think it was for sure. People have spread all over the place. There wasn't Vshojo when I started watching, just Melody.
>I don't know where you're going with the cable TV thing because that's been sufficiently replaced with streaming services and services like Disney Plus are doing great.
Sure but timing wise, it was at a point where TV had been strongly tied to world events and opinions of it and then COVID hit. It was one topic all day every day for a long time.

>>12790773
>At the beginning I think it was for sure
At the beginning Korone and Miko were famous for playing western games. Doom and GTA respectively. If people were so sick of western media all of their GTA playthroughs wouldn't have been such hits. And though Leddit is a sensitive topic for you, evidently - Coco's Reddit reviews WERE hugely popular. Reviews that hinged entirely on western content, presented by a westerner. I don't think there was ever a point in time where the Hololive fanbase wasn't absolutely dominated by people who enjoyed western media... at Gura's peak her popularity was extremely mainstream, and you had western e-celebs such as Sykkuno trying to get into her... and again, the sheer amount of Hololive memes centering around western pop culture references are staggering. Even on this very board! I understand that you're very proud of your hypothesis, but there's really no evidence suggesting it's the case. There is a lot of evidence pointing to the contrary.

>>12791024
You're being disingenuous, what SJW nonsense was in DOOM?
Again, don't care about reddit.
>There is a lot of evidence pointing to the contrary.
Nonsense. It's pretty clear that Hololive is a safe space for the losers of the culture war.

>>12788001
That's sodafunk's move

>>12787906
fpbp

>>12787989
Take your meds zhang

>>12791101
>You're being disingenuous, what SJW nonsense was in DOOM?
Well now I've lost the point of the conversation. We could talk about how there's cuckholdry in GTA and how Michael is a whipped man and how Trevor wears dresses and how there's a black protagonist. I don't know what you consider SJW so I find this to be a pointless conversational rabbit hole to fall into. I'm telling you for a fact that Hololive members were enjoyed by westerners, playing western games.
>Again, don't care about reddit
You should, because it's relevant to the conversation. Western memes being presented to the western audience were always VERY POPULAR with the Hololive audience. Don't skirt around the fact that 4chan has their own homegrown Hololive meets western media memes as well. This is not just a Leddit thing.
>Nonsense
Korone watched Midsommar, Astel has talked about how he's bisexual on stream, and Kiara has shilled a feminist book. You haven't been paying attention.

>>12789251
No anon they can't be better than their peer they just cant

>>12791243
shit I have to go through all that nonsense individually.
>We could talk about how there's cuckholdry in GTA and how Michael is a whipped man
nonsense, he was cheated on and acted appropriately.
>Trevor wears dresses and how there's a black protagonist.
>Korone watched Midsommar, Astel has talked about how he's bisexual on stream
That's just offensive dude, are you leftist? Would explain the judgement.
>Kiara has shilled a feminist book
That's like the one thing that could maybe annoy people, from the person who has annoyed people the most?

>>12791426
>nonsense, he was cheated on and acted appropriately.
He was made into a cuck, yes. Don't forget how Amanda was portrayed sympathetically as a cheating woman and Michael was shit on by every single major cast member including his family.
>That's just offensive dude, are you leftist? Would explain the judgement.
I've never met somebody on this side of the culture war that honestly wanted feminism and homosexuality shilled in streams. You're certainly a first, and this is why I think attempting to define which media is SJW or not is a fruitless effort, as we clearly have different definitions of the word.
>That's like the one thing that could maybe annoy people, from the person who has annoyed people the most?
A lot of people got into Hololive through HoloEN and Kiara anon. They're the Hololive audience, like it or not.
I lost the plot of this conversation, but the point is there has always been a significant overlap with Hololive fans and those who enjoy western media, and this is present in every Hololive community you may or may not choose to look into. Always has been.

>>12791612
Look dude, media 5 years ago was calling us evil and racist and that we should die, all day every day.
Minor shit in a video game, and btw the most nnoying part about GTA5 for a conservative was a particular mission with an environmental implication. Stuff like what you're saying isn't force feeding me any view.
>I've never met somebody on this side of the culture war that honestly wanted feminism and homosexuality shilled in streams.
I didn't say that, I just won't judge people for things that don't matter thats stupid. Way you worded that shit is nonsense too, pathetic.
>A lot of people got into Hololive through HoloEN and Kiara anon
Yeah me too. I don't dislike Kiara because of anything other than her voice and how she always makes things about her, I don't care what she believes.

>>12790026
>some random anon on /vt/
>calling anyone else talentless or boring
Kek.

>>12791798
>how she always makes things about her
Oh no, we got another retard who bought into the bullshit /vt/ spews.

>>12792711
come on.

>>12787824
why so serious? - Joker

>>12792789
Anon, if you truly believe that she thinks that way you need to get off this board it's rotting your brain. She's helped btidge the gap between HoloEN and the JP branch through collabs and her talk show series, she helped coordinate the Among Us stream with the rest of HoloEN just recently, she's set up streams on other people's channels disregarding views, she's reached out to people outside of Hololive, etc. Can she be cringe or full of herself sometimes? Maybe, but name one VTuber, hell even one streamer, that isn't true about? It comes with the territory. If you don't like her that's fine, you don't need some half-assed reason for it.

>>12787824
Nijisanji is more popular on 4chan

>>12793175
I don't know how she thinks, she talks about herself a lot though.

>>12793659
It's almost like people relate to each other by sharing personal opinions, ideas, wants, etc.

>>12787824
because those girls are the best, you want a prof, just look

1 They are more ordenate that Nijisanji
2 Their girls has not a lot of dramas like vshojo (look arcadum case)
3 They start working in real anime industry (Jady sama case)
4 They has the luck of get girls like Gura, Coco and Korone
5 They has rules who promote competitivity over anyting else, not like Vshojo or Nijisanji
6 Besides of the meme of comedian, they make their branch in the idol persona, just look Suisei and Mori Calliope who are know for their music as equal for being streaming

Numbers not lied, Nijisanji is a mess who create so many vtuber that is hard to keep traking, Vshojo has so many internal drama, Boms only promote Pikame even after hired new talents. The only company who make being still relebant post cuarentine and keep working hard in her network is Hololive

>>12795342
Good job, this post baits for ESL callout (You)s so hard I'm having a hard time figuring out what "ordenate" means.

>>12795523
sorry, english is not my first language, but you get my point

>>12795611
>They are more ordenate that Nijisanji
No I don't

Not really. I'm not a nijifag, im a anime autist and a gamer. I just watched them for game review. But really vtuber are not really popular even they came from a big corp.

>>12787824
Good morning motherfuckers.

Or migoboat