/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *
Here it goes

>57,577: Pekora (Hololive)
>49,804: Aqua (Hololive)
>42,401: Miko (Hololive)
>35,562: Okayu (Hololive)
>32,460: Miko (Hololive)
>28,850: Marine (Hololive)
>20,570: Gura (Hololive)
>17,887: Rushia (Hololive)
>15,647: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>13,967: Calli (Hololive)
>13,584: Mito (Nijisanji)
>13,220: Aizono Manami (Nijisanji)
>12,085: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>10,825: Lamy (Hololive)
>10,449: Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>10,418: Mio (Hololive)
>10,186: Kronii (Hololive)

>>12724562
AAAAA MERISEEE

>>12724738
kek, no top 10 sweep today. To think people were denying the Emperor his rightful accolades
>HATERS MUST KNEEL NOW!

>>12724562
I wonder what the JP side thinks of the daily dominance from Hololive

Views from Pekora's watchalong + the infamous Pekora breakdown mengen.

>>12724958
From this distance in time it counts repeat views. The better way to gauge would be to get a mengen that just finished

>>12724907
Numberniggers care, normal people watch their oshis and carry on.

>>12724958
I'm surprised she didn't private THAT mengen

>>12724897

>>12724958
The breakdown will get some repeats, watchalong won't so it should be more accurate.
>>12724980
But not every member will watch it live. I think a zatsudan mengen after a day would provide more accurate number.

>>12725207
One trick emperor.

>>12724562
Hololive 12
Nijisanji 5

Not the mogging people make it out to be. They didn't sweep the top ten.

>>12725375
It was so close too, 7 20k+ streams. Well top 8 is fine.

Could NijiEN still pick up new viewers honestly? Nina picks up a few RU and FR here and there, but ultimately, are they real nijifans or tourists?

>>12724562
Just woke up how in the fuck did Pekora get almost 58k

>>12725556
She is the queen.

>>12725556
Evil God Korone is a mega buff game plus ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING from aqua 3D live and Miko ending.

>>12724958
This is more accurate then the watchalong

> be wage slave
> have to go to the office today
> first time to miss bunny's stream in a couple of weeks, hope she has fun
> be a good company drone, don't check /#/ once
> come home, tired, time for food and archive reps
> slow start as always
> oh Okayu gets a good stream with the Korone game, fat cat in the lead is rare, nice
> Miko follows, shrine maiden setting a high bar for the day
> Marine with good, but not great stream
> Damn holo is doing good today
> Aqua Live? Huh, missed that announcement... Well she should win the day!
> Stupid Onion does decent enough for a live, beats Miko. Onion is rare in the top, also nice!
> Oh Pekora also doing the Korone game, well should be decent numbers but not great with the novely gone, also Miko streaming
> Bunny rising
> Bunny beating onion, god dammit, ruthless bunny
> Oh it peaked at 56k, going down, good peak
> Return of the Bunny, doing another ending
> Peaking at 57.6k... Pekora I kneel.

Did I just miss one of the more exciting numberfag days in a while? There are some upsets on the board for sure today.

>>12725795
Thanks for the blog, where do I subscribe?

>>12725606
Fan games are always a good boost. Smol ame for good views too. Perks of being on top: fans create content you can react to, which only encourages them more. Gura’s Ankha reaction clip has about the same views as Nijisanji en wave 3. Combined.

>>12725856
This thread is all me, you've been reading it my blog all along.

>first game on the list

>>12726120
That a sales ranking or "editor choice" ranking?

>>12726185
i just checked and i have it too. went on "new & noteworthy" than "popular upcoming"

>>12726281
Damn, people switching from SquidCoint to SEXCoin huh

>>12726281
Confirming this. I used incognito mode on my phone and it is at the top of Popular New Releases.

Millie your numbers....

>>12725795
Pekora I kneel

>>12726281
Buy it, anon. It's only 5 bucks. A McD meal costs more than that.

>>12726502
Just caught a glimpse of her stream and I get why she could be in trouble
>her genki energy and high pitched voice makes her pretty much NijiKiara

She's fucked if she doesn't fix both. You can close your eyes and hear her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckLlUl8X8DI
and I guarantee you will think about Kiara

>>12725795
Game was a massive buff for everybody. My oshi usually averages around 7-9k CCV. Today that number was thirty five fucking thousand concurrent viewers.
>Me watching the number rise with no end in sight

>>12726281
So, any chance this meme will help land something in the future?

>>12726919
More Holo cameos in games?
Noel, Polka and Fubuki are VAs in the little witch game.

>>12726953
>More Holo cameos in games?
Yeah.
>Noel, Polka and Fubuki are VAs in the little witch game.
That's something different. I'm wondering how much this affects sales.

>>12725890
>fan game

>>12725890
There’s two Hololive warioware games, small Ame, the KFP game, Mori RPG from what I remember. I recall there was a team working on a Hololive gacha game (free).

>>12727075
There's a dinosaur gura game being made as well. There is Korone box as well.

>>12724562
The game with Korone looks like a massive buff. Maybe indies and Nijisanji should play it too.

>>12725375
When the only one they missed for cleaning out the top 10 is an indie that looks like a mogging.

>>12727390
Maybe Nijisanji doesn’t want them to play the game.

>>12727390
I'm not sure the interest will transfer to people outside of Hololive.

>>12727476
It might be a tourist trap. Tourist can turn into fans.

In shorts news, Hololive introduction and Gura “A” (almost) shorts have surpassed NijisanjiEN most popular short.

>>12727075
The Jump King game but with Mori

>>12727708
I'm surprised it took so long.

>>12725550
Afaik NijiEN viewers are mostly disillusioned refugees from HoloEN like me. So, it's a matter of time unless NijiEN also bleeds viewers.

>>12725550
Nijisanji is sink or swim. The weak gets culled hard

Dead hours are so nice. Anyway, finally got to finish the table with Oricon sales. Big thanks to the anon with Premium for the data provided. Green color stands for this year's releases, I've divided albums and sales as suggested, added digital sales and combined all of them where possible. All additions and corrections are welcome, digital sales are especially hard since I can't find a public archive for those and I have to rely on the anon completely. Fun fact: for those releases where both digital and physical version were sold, digital releases accounted only for 13% of all sales on the average.

>>12728263
anyone below the age of 40 would find it weird to see physical sales doing better than digital and probably stop right there, but you just keep going huh

>>12728263
the digital sales are only from japan or worldwide?

>>12728593
digital only counts certain websites they've downloaded from, Since we'll never know the real numbers for foreign digital (Itunes/Apple) I'd wage it would definitely be second and above or really close to first.

>>12728509
If by “you” you mean Japan, of course

>>12728263
Mirai Akari... :-(

>kiaras got atlus/sega sponsoship for SMTV
>Streaming 8pmJST

that is gonna be interesting

Also tonight Selen will go on twitch will be fun to see the difference between twitch and youtube. Anyone has selen latest solo apex numbers?

>>12729141
>Streaming 8pmJST
but why? do they want to micromanage everything she says and does?

>>12729361
sponsors are always present on sponsorship streams

>>12729361
Because she has flight later at that day

>>12724562
EN is really slacking off. Imagine not being able to crack 20k in prime time burger hours.

>>12729704
gura is there tough

>>12729616
dont they have a single overseas employee to do it though?

>>12729722
Gura has over twice the subs of Pekora and barely manages half her CCV on a good day. Slacking hard.

>>12725550
Depend a who they pick up for the male wave

>>12728263
Here's an interesting one.
Blu-ray sales for Nijisanji.

You guys were talking about Blue Archive perms on the past threads like it was a big thing.
You think this is a sponsored stream?

>>12730104
it should be

>>12730104
Yes, she was late getting the schedule out because she was waiting on confirmations and the only thing she'd have to do that for there is blue archive

is it true that gen 5 is the fastest-growing JP branch?

>>12730307
It was, until multiple Yabs crippled them

>>12725550
genuine question, do you think Botan has more RU viewers than Nina? if so, are they loyal to her?

>>12730670
until nina plays fps they will stay with botan

>>12730104
With all the blue archive streams, do you think they will get units in the game?

>>12730104
Bae used the same notification symbol for Blue Archive as she did for Eternal Return so it is important. She only seems to put it on important things like the sportfes. It's very queer that Bae and Mumei would play it on the same day, we don't have Kronii's or Fauna's schedule.

Why would Blue Archive use Council to shill their game? You'd think it'd be announced by now. I haven't seen anything to indicate it was announced. 5ch seems to be worried if Cover has the permissions for it, no mention of sponsorships. Pic vaguely related.

>>12730751
even then I still don't think they will jump ship. those stripes on Botan's outfit is too alluring

>>12730670

Loyal they are for sure. You can see in multiple streams VODs some comments in russian (thanking for the stream, timestamps) and there's always messages in russian appearing in her chat.

It helps that Botan don't try too much and just acknowledge them as normal viewers. Like when she says CПACИБO during the superchat readings or having a line in russian in her OG song (Which have more comments in russian than anything else)

https://youtu.be/npVP58NvdQ8

>>12728509
>doesn't understand Japan is obsessed with physical merch
>also says to stop posting numbers
Why are you even on this board? Fuck off

>>12730838
>>12730670
I wonder what the slav numbers would be if Botan played S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
Maybe the total numbers wouldn't be good but it'd be a foreigner zoo.

>>12730776
Why would they be worried, cause they don't want them to play it?
Cover is autistic enough to triple check permissions so they have perms or are being sponsored.

10/1 - 10/8 median so far
>Pekora 35,761
>Miko 29,529
>Marine 29,230

Holobros I kneel

>>12730880
probalem with stalker is the permission hell it is on.
need to wait for the new one. Assuming it is good but botan pretty much singing togheter with the stalkers on the cmapifre and guitar would be enough for get them mad

Anybody know what the longest streaming streak is? Just did a manual tally of pekora's current streak and it comes out at 18 days running. There has to have been a longer one for sure, but without a decent dataset it's a pita to find out.

>>12730670
>are they loyal to her?
I don't know if this a proof of loyalty or not but they're at the point where they warn each other to act better unless they want to be viewed the same as Chinese

>>12728263
I KNEEL ANON, thank you this is the data i'm most interested about.

>>12730916
What about tarkov

>>12731260
that is a terrible streaming game but they would like it.

>>12730899
>Why would they be worried, cause they don't want them to play it?
It was the hololive thread. They're just scared shitless of anything that could cause permission troubles. They're fine with holos playing. it. They probably don't understand HoloEN's iron fist and think Bae could go rogue.

>>12730880
Which one is better for the slav number S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or Metro 2033

>>12731338
It would explain it if they didn't know just how much stricter HoloEN is compared to JP.

Revenue of a "midget" streamer. I included an English one for translation purposes.
¥426k = Around 3.7k USD

>>12731403
>30k for 1M view in a month
interesting
the holos must be raining on cash

>>12731403
Why do Japs use that 10K numbering system? Regardless seems like she has about 1/30th the views and made very roughly 1/40 the revenue so not a bad correlation. Based on these numbers you'd estimate Mori/Gura made around 1M from Youtube give or take.

>>12731611
Why is Arisaka there, he is not a vtuber.

>>12730880
She's said she's interested in playing the new one when it comes out.

>>12731611
Who is the number one?

>>12731403
3.7k per million roughly (1.058m in vtuber picture)
If we use the same rough figures, Pekora made ~59k last month from ad revenue.
Total: 1.08 million

>>12731790
bintroll

>>12731403
What's the take home? I took a look into her
>averages 600 CCV, 23k on VODs
>only has stream vods on channel, no shorts
>got 1.4k in SCs in the past 28 days, she got $950 29 days ago
>only 3 sponsored steams this year, one in January, July, and August
The bigger streamers are way richer than we think.

>>12731798
So is it reasonable that Socialblade uses $4 per 1k views for max revenue?

>>12730670
>genuine question, do you think Botan has more RU viewers than Nina?
Anon, Nina averages about 1k. Botan, in November so far, over 10k.

Botan would have more RU viewers than Nina in any circumstance even if they were not a sizable proportion of her viewers.

NijiEN
Kiara currently has 2.9k reading superchats.

>>12731787
Microsoft isn't stingy on permissions before. Chances are everyone will get to play it.

>>12731403
>2 hours stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvJqPI7dvs
>11:52 avg
I wonder whats the avg for HoloEN streamers. EOPs are adhd autist

>>12731923
>>12731798
add revenue depnds on the kind of adds you get
more spnsor friendly channels get the better ads

>>12731798
lol and people keep bitching about why they dont care about scs

>>12731403
The way it’s grouped with views and time watched suggests that revenue is ad/premium related. If members and especially superchats are included it gets hard to interpret but there’s a separate superchat window on the right. If they aren’t then Mori has around 2.5 from views/members/sc before merch/albums/etc. Remember Kiara made enough to qualify for a wealth visa which requires actual cash, not assets after expenses. They are all doing very, very well for themselves

>>12732042
Pikamee once said her average watch time per video was about 10 minutes.

Here is some partial data for November.

Median Peak CCV for Hololive and Nijisanji, November 1st to November 8, only counting streamers with at least 2 streams in the period.

Here is the Top 50
>35194 median :: Pekora (8 streams)
>28881 median :: Marine (6 streams)
>27328 median :: Kuzuha (7 streams)
>26394 median :: Miko (10 streams)
>26064 median :: Aqua (2 streams)
>23360 median :: Korone (3 streams)
>17937 median :: Rushia (3 streams)
>17879 median :: Amelia (4 streams)
>17840 median :: Subaru (6 streams)
>15745 median :: Shion (3 streams)
>13797 median :: Suisei (2 streams)
>13018 median :: Lize (4 streams)
>11956 median :: Kanata (5 streams)
>11606 median :: Flare (4 streams)
>11563 median :: Botan (6 streams)
>11353 median :: Mumei (2 streams)
>11329 median :: Okayu (5 streams)
>10966 median :: Fuwa (7 streams)
>10779 median :: Fauna (4 streams)
>10445 median :: IRyS (5 streams)
>10269 median :: Mio (4 streams)
>9986 median :: Mito (2 streams)
>9533 median :: Kronii (5 streams)
>9331 median :: Nene (5 streams)
>9150 median :: Noel (3 streams)
>8867 median :: Fubuki (8 streams)
>8435 median :: Calli (7 streams)
>8190 median :: Kizuku (4 streams)
>8061 median :: Matsuri (3 streams)
>7951 median :: Inanis (2 streams)
>7758 median :: Watame (7 streams)
>7594 median :: Haato (6 streams)
>7465 median :: Kanae (8 streams)
>7086 median :: Hayato (5 streams)
>6829 median :: Ibrahim (9 streams)
>6817 median :: Ange (2 streams)
>6798 median :: Lamy (12 streams)
>6598 median :: Kiara (7 streams)
>5974 median :: Baelz (6 streams)
>5965 median :: Chihiro (10 streams)
>5822 median :: Saku (5 streams)
>5722 median :: Keisuke (4 streams)
>5566 median :: Luna (5 streams)
>5388 median :: Towa (6 streams)
>5126 median :: Ars Almal (7 streams)
>5116 median :: Polka (3 streams)
>4769 median :: Lauren (6 streams)
>4632 median :: Cammy (2 streams)
>4534 median :: Ex Albio (4 streams)
>4443 median :: Furen (6 streams)

>>12732006
Microsoft is pretty close with Hololive considering they like to comment on their tweets and collabed with them.

>>12732050
Council is the first gen to come in knowing they will make a ton of money.
Not having to rely on SC as your main income source must be pretty reassuring and lets them set up their streaming style early on (like Ina who flat out said she's not reading SC).

>>12732050
SCs are for audience engagement so people buy merch, join memberships, and bother to watch the shill streams. Myth must have given Council to real numbers seeing how allergic to SCs they are.

>>12732156
Very red towards the top, very blue towards the bottom.

>>12732158
Isn't XBox sponsoring Botan and whoever Botan points to (like Luna, and sometimes Subaru and Choco)?

>>12732156
Why in the fuck did you choose two similar reds you ninny. Make it cool colors (blue purple green) vs warm colors (orange yellow red) for the two companies.

>>12732185
Superchats are a lot of immediate income up front. It’s pretty obvious they become less important as time goes on. For the biggest streamers merch and sponsorships give better percentages and memberships give reliable income while being more fun content to produce. Most streamers dislike superchat readings with some notable exceptions

No HoloEN outfits this month.

>>12732121
Pikamee is a JP streamer tho. Fumi stream had 720 peak ccv, 4928 total views for a 2 hours stream. Gura in comparison has 42,555 peak ccv, around 300k total views for an hour stream.

>>12732206
to shill the gamepass thing, yes

>>12732206
xbox is desperate for any japanese market exposure and had gen 5 shill game pass. If YAGOO were smart he would get a partnership with one of microsoft's studios to help develop their metaverse project, but all indications seem to be they are going full independent with that to try and reap maximum profit.

>>12732158
Microsoft JP does but nothing on the EN side.
I just want Mr. Koro's Halo marathon, dammit.

>>12732381
>but all indications seem to be they are going full independent with that to try and reap maximum profit.
Pants on head retarded.
>>12732315
What a shame. I'm not sure why they're getting delayed.

>>12732441
Yeah they are certainly going to miss their timelines and whatever product they eventually release is going to be scuffed and non working for weeks if not months.

>>12732381
The working deal with Sega could start the rebirth of Xbox on Japan if they're smarth, but then again, its Sega and Microsoft.

>>12732305
From what I remember, there's a 6-8 week delay from being paid out by youtube (or it might only be the first check, I'm not sure).

>>12732350
youtube ccv is broken anon, how fucking new are you

Seeing how these hours tend to be kinda slow on streams (Outside of Kiara that streams a lot on the EN side), did y'all think that we will reach a point with always at least one or two stream happening? When more people debut, ofc

>>12732625
Vshojo is streaming to 8k anon. Someon always streaming and that means number can be tracked 24/7.

>>12725550
Sure, the biggest problem with NijiEN has ALWAYS been that they’ve never had a viral monster, while HoloEN lucked in to 2 from the get-go. There’s literally thousands of independent content creators on YouTube who have carved out similar or better success than HoloEN’s biggest hitters in their own right, no reason why Niji couldn’t just happen to find somebody like that who is talented enough to fuel the entire branch with entry level viewers.

>>12732221
>Why in the fuck did you choose two similar reds you ninny
It was deliberate. HoloJP and HoloEN need no distinction for the Top 1-50, it is all Holo x Niji in that bracket.

>>12732156
Here is the Top 51-100. For that bracket, surprisingly, Mel is headlining this bracket

>4375 median :: Yozora Mel (5 streams)
>4368 median :: Shiina Yuika (6 streams)
>4298 median :: Hoshikawa Sara (3 streams)
>4181 median :: Leos Vincent (10 streams)
>4145 median :: Tokino Sora (4 streams)
>4029 median :: Saegusa Akina (5 streams)
>3852 median :: Nui Sociere (5 streams)
>3735 median :: Axia Krone (5 streams)
>3580 median :: Mashiro (4 streams)
>3566 median :: Hakase Fuyuki (6 streams)
>3443 median :: Selen Tatsuki (7 streams)
>3361 median :: Hanabatake Chaika (4 streams)
>3301 median :: Honma Himawari (8 streams)
>2953 median :: Suo Sango (5 streams)
>2920 median :: Amamiya Kokoro (8 streams)
>2829 median :: Bora Nun (10 streams)
>2825 median :: Yuzuki Choco (3 streams)
>2759 median :: Kaida Haru (8 streams)
>2657 median :: Aki Rosenthal (2 streams)
>2563 median :: Fushimi Gaku (4 streams)
>2544 median :: Roboco-san (7 streams)
>2494 median :: Naraka (3 streams)
>2311 median :: Kureiji Ollie (4 streams)
>2201 median :: Belmond Banderas (4 streams)
>2191 median :: Higuchi Kaede (6 streams)
>2184 median :: Yumeoi Kakeru (4 streams)
>2179 median :: Yorumi Rena (6 streams)
>2100 median :: Elu the Elf (12 streams)
>2082 median :: Shellin Burgundy (4 streams)
>2051 median :: Matsukai Mao (5 streams)
>2046 median :: Debidebi Debiru (6 streams)
>1988 median :: Nagao Kei (11 streams)
>1956 median :: Elira Pendora (5 streams)
>1945 median :: Oliver Evans (6 streams)
>1931 median :: Joe Rikiichi (2 streams)
>1897 median :: Finana Ryugu (5 streams)
>1874 median :: Takamiya Rion (6 streams)
>1861 median :: Hayama Marin (3 streams)
>1845 median :: Suzuka Utako (2 streams)
>1739 median :: Kuroi Shiba (4 streams)
>1634 median :: Pavolia Reine (5 streams)
>1627 median :: Pomu Rainpuff (6 streams)
>1504 median :: Gundo Mirei (9 streams)
>1449 median :: Genzuki Tojiro (3 streams)
>1439 median :: Sorahoshi Kirame (3 streams)
>1393 median :: Ryushen - Game (3 streams)
>1370 median :: Sakura Ritsuki (5 streams)
>1355 median :: Makaino Ririmu (8 streams)
>1340 median :: Lain Paterson (6 streams)
>1324 median :: Ryushen (2 streams)

>>12732518
no its not. Gura always had a higher total view even before the spamview shit.

>>12732406
Halo is in a tricky spot I think. That's why Ame wasn't allowed to play it.

>>12732746
The problem now is that NijiEN missed their chance to get their huge hit in their first 2 waves.
Now any indie or small corpo thinking of applying knows roughly what their ceiling would be.

>>12732744

Yeah she is but my question was more about the holo circle and not in general (should have specified that, srry)

>>12732846
I won't bother making the chart for the rest, here is the list and a webm of midgets

>1253 median :: Kitakoji Hisui (3 streams, nijijp)
>1245 median :: Nishizono Chigusa (12 streams, nijijp)
>1185 median :: Todo Kohaku (2 streams, nijijp)
>1179 median :: Melissa Kinrenka (8 streams, nijijp)
>1137 median :: Yuuhi Riri (2 streams, nijijp)
>1126 median :: Harusaki Air (2 streams, nijijp)
>1113 median :: Dola (5 streams, nijijp)
>1106 median :: Yamagami Karuta (5 streams, nijijp)
>1087 median :: Petra Gurin (6 streams, nijien)
>1079 median :: Rosemi Lovelock (5 streams, nijien)
>1060 median :: Astel Leda (3 streams, holostars)
>1038 median :: Anya Melfissa (3 streams, holoid)
>1036 median :: Enna Alouette (8 streams, nijien)
>1024 median :: Nina Kosaka (10 streams, nijien)
>1023 median :: Yukoku Roberu (7 streams, holostars)
>990 median :: Suzuki Masaru (5 streams, nijijp)
>979 median :: Millie Parfait (7 streams, nijien)
>967 median :: Ienaga Mugi (3 streams, nijijp)
>919 median :: Ayunda Risu (7 streams, holoid)
>916 median :: Kurusu Natsume (8 streams, nijijp)
>887 median :: Shirayuki Tomoe (5 streams, nijijp)
>776 median :: Fumi (5 streams, nijijp)
>764 median :: Gwelu Os Gar (4 streams, nijijp)
>717 median :: Reimu Endou (10 streams, nijien)
>687 median :: Eli Conifer (4 streams, nijijp)
>657 median :: Onomachi Haruka (8 streams, nijijp)
>654 median :: Sister Claire (2 streams, nijijp)
>619 median :: Bonnivier Pranaja (3 streams, nijiid)
>616 median :: Seto Miyako (3 streams, nijijp)
>616 median :: Suzuya Aki (4 streams, nijijp)
>602 median :: Kageyama Shien (3 streams, holostars)
>599 median :: Kishido Temma (6 streams, holostars)
>588 median :: Moira (2 streams, nijijp)
>582 median :: Arurandeisu (10 streams, holostars)
>559 median :: EmmaAugust (4 streams, nijijp)
>559 median :: Hanasaki Miyabi (4 streams, holostars)
>501 median :: Asahina Akane (3 streams, nijijp)
>477 median :: Mononobe Alice (2 streams, nijijp)
>468 median :: Azuchi Momo (9 streams, nijijp)
>447 median :: Aizono Manami (3 streams, nijijp)
>445 median :: Rikka (5 streams, holostars)
>439 median :: Aragami Oga (2 streams, holostars)
>387 median :: Yukishiro Mahiro (6 streams, nijijp)
>375 median :: Todoroki Kyoko (3 streams, nijijp)
>344 median :: Kanda Shoichi (6 streams, nijijp)
>333 median :: Hana Macchia (4 streams, nijiid)
>317 median :: Levi Elipha (4 streams, nijijp)
>304 median :: Ray Akira (3 streams, nijikr)
>293 median :: Ban Hada (5 streams, nijikr)
>290 median :: Nari Yang (7 streams, nijikr)
>284 median :: Taka Radjiman (10 streams, nijiid)
>254 median :: Roha Lee (2 streams, nijikr)
>248 median :: Siska Leontyne (5 streams, nijiid)
>226 median :: Mika Melatika (3 streams, nijiid)
>225 median :: Amicia Michella (5 streams, nijiid)
>192 median :: Miyu Ottavia (2 streams, nijiid)
>186 median :: Shibuya Hajime (5 streams, nijijp)
>178 median :: Nara Haramaung (3 streams, nijiid)
>172 median :: Seffyna (9 streams, nijikr)
>162 median :: Naruse Naru (5 streams, nijijp)
>147 median :: ZEA Cornelia (4 streams, nijiid)
>123 median :: Xia Ekavira (6 streams, nijiid)
>110 median :: Nagi So (6 streams, nijikr)
>108 median :: 나세라 / Na Sera (4 streams, nijikr)
>106 median :: 이온 / Lee On (8 streams, nijikr)
>105 median :: Chiho Han (10 streams, nijikr)
>103 median :: 하윤 / Ha Yun (5 streams, nijikr)
>98 median :: Etna Crimson (3 streams, nijiid)
>98 median :: Azura Cecillia (5 streams, nijiid)
>95 median :: 고야미 / Ko Yami (4 streams, nijikr)
>94 median :: Rai Galilei (3 streams, nijiid)
>88 median :: Siu Lee (4 streams, nijikr)
>81 median :: Reza Avanluna (4 streams, nijiid)
>80 median :: Layla Alstroemeria (7 streams, nijiid)
>79 median :: Riksa Dhirendra (5 streams, nijiid)
>73 median :: Derem Kado (3 streams, nijiid)
>64 median :: Jiyu Oh (4 streams, nijikr)
>63 median :: Gaon (2 streams, nijikr)
>57 median :: Nagisa Arcinia (2 streams, nijiid)
>57 median :: Suha Min (4 streams, nijikr)
>57 median :: Nagisa Arcinia (2 streams, nijiid)

>>12732846
Fun to see Mel be less of a midget, hopefully she has the perseverance to grind out a higher average overall.

>>12732846
We suck Selen's dick but her numbers aren't great besides decent SCs.
>>12732185
Council does no hustling. NijiEN does pretty well in SCs but hustle more. NijiEN's revenue stream doesn't look too bad to me but I wonder if under the hood Council's is much stronger OR NijiEN never had senpais to tell them the money comes in due time and SCs aren't worth the grief if you don't like them.

>>12732121
speaking of pika. i wonder how much she earned from ads alone

>>12732156
>>12732846
>>12732961
Here is the image with the full list

>>12732156
>35194 median :: Pekora (8 streams)
>28881 median :: Marine (6 streams)
>26394 median :: Miko (10 streams)

it seems your chart is not counting their highest ccv.

>>12732870
the only truly comparable with close dates and durations are:
>Ame 17k ccv, 83k views end of stream - 4.88 ratio
>Gura 119k ccv, 407k views end of stream - 3.42 ratio
what is your point here?
or, perhaps, if you are far more retarded than what I imagined, and you didnt read the part that says that all those views are only 3 minutes after the stream had started, meaning ccv and total views should be really close for everyone. To which you would be presenting me numbers after a whole hour of streaming.

>>12733173
>We suck Selen's dick but her numbers aren't great besides decent SCs.
With Moona likely on a break Selen is right now the highest ranked non major branch (JP, HoloEN) chuuba.

She's not (if I am not wrong) even the highest SC of her branch tho, I think you are wrong on both counts

>>12733173
The problem with NijiEN is the lack of merch and sponsorships right now.
Speaking of that, possible wave 4 candidate?
>>12733099

>>12728263
Oh no oh no oh no Holobros
I thought Suisei's CDs were constantly sold out? Why are we getting mogged by Nijis?

Rikkun, I KNEEL

>>12733282
Selene nijisanji en top by talent gets mog by Sareui and is on par with haruka the renideer chick.

>>12733227
The thumbnail makes it look like blue dominates.
>>12733282
She's often regarded as being comparable to HoloEN but she just isn't.

>>12732961
Alright, I'm curious now, what's the deal with Hajime? I heard he was one of the most hated NijiJP members or something, is that true?

>>12733465
The thumbnail is red at the top.

>>12733236
The distinction is in how my tool calculates the median for even numbered streams. Excel seems to find a halfway point between the two in the middle, this tool seems to pick the lower bound.

>>12733465
>The thumbnail makes it look like blue dominates.
And they do? 131 chuubas vs. 50 of their competition.
If it was about who has the most entries Nijisanji would win, but the thing is: the higher the better

>>12733381
>1 year of sales vs a couple of weeks of sales

>>12732441
What the hells is going on with the outfits? What could possibly result in THIS long of a delay after teasing the outlines of it the outfits? Don't fucking tell me they got THE RIGGER for Gura, but it was obviously not up to snuff so they had to get a new rigger and it's causing delays...

>>12733717
>What the hells is going on with the outfits? What could possibly result in THIS long of a delay
Nigger rigger finally getting canned, sending the whole project back to square one?

>>12729937
is there one for Hololive?

>>12733717
If that really is the reason than I'd rather they delay it. I seriously hate that rigger.

>>12732874
That just means Niji needs to play a riskier gamble to entice elite talent, but it’s not an insurmountable disadvantage. Japanese companies are notorious for becoming decedent once they’ve tasted any bit of success and COVER is no exception. Look how lazy and safe their assembly of HoloEN gen2 was compared to gen1. Like they just exist as auxiliary characters to pad Myth collabs.

>>12733505
Volume stands out in thumbnails. It doesn't really stand out when 70% of hololive is in the top 30 and the top 30 is 83% hololive.

I'm mostly saying from first glance it looks like Nijisanji makes up for the disparity by volume.
Total views don't reflect that sentiment, HoloJP has 34% more total views than NijiJP.

>>12733623
>50
There are 42 Hololivers vs 139 others.

>>12733717
one can only hope and pray that umishit got sacked and gura's getting a re-rig on all 3 outfits but knowing cover you shouldn't hope for too much

>>12733814
No, Oricon purges their dvd/blu-ray sales data so no way to retrieve old ones without just relying on waybackmachine on the main site.

>>12733846
darn...

>>12733838
>There are 42 Hololivers vs 139 others.
In that particular image, with all streamers with at least 2 streams in November 2021, there are 131 streamers under contract with Anykara and 50 under contracat with Cover (including Hololive and Holostars)

>>12733067
If Mel just picks a time slot, streams consistently and leans a bit into the asmr/borderline lewd persona she will do just fine. She’s due for an avatar update which could put her in the top 50 for sure. She’s for a lot of fans for someone who streams as little and inconsistently as she does. She also seems to collab well

>>12733558
yeah, the midrange of numbers.

>>12733977
her longhair vampire model already is pretty good, she should use it more

>>12733828
Problem is Niji is also a Japanese company. More often than not, they tend to play it safe until they're back is really against the wall which Anykara isn't. As long as they have good traction in Japan, they'll treat whatever their international branches give them as a bonus. If anything, VShoujo is probably the only possible disruptor in the market and even they're a distant 2nd to HoloEn. Not to mention their non-PG method of streaming, unfortunately, does put a cap on their overall ceiling of growth. Hololive right now is pretty much the Apple of VTubers which includes all the good and bad of that analogy.

>>12733838
> 70% of hololive is in the top 30
This is striking. People say that being in hololive isn't a guarantee of success but it is hard to ignore this. Why do people refuse to admit the brand carries?

>>12734130
>>12733828
Anycolor is worth more than Cover, it's hard to think any of them are fat and lazy since niether is secure at the top. Cover just isn't desperate anymore.

So we've already got frames from Rushia and Kanata going for the Korobuff tonight, when were Marine and Mio going to do their streams?

>>12734131
>Why do people refuse to admit the brand carries?
Duh! I doubt anyone would refuse to acknowledge that the "box pushing" strategy from Hololive works marvelously, allowing even the smallest and more inconsistent of the talents (think Mel) to be boosted by it sky high (see: Mel beating Kuzuha in the "battle of Vampires").

The only disagreement is that Hololive detractors make this leap
> Hololive "box pushing" strategy can help even the weakest streamers to rise
> Hence Hololive streamers are all weak
Which makes absolutely no sense

>>12734296
>Mel beating Kuzuha
The what?

>>12734398
kek
>he wasn't here
You may have missed some of the most glorious days this thread ever had
>THIS DOES NOT SLIP!

>>12734398
Mel's birthday with guest won the night against Kuzuha with his girl costume debut.
Overall, the brand won in the end.

>>12734398
You weren't around for that incredibly fun day anon?

>>12733717
3D debut

>>12734471
>the brand won
You surely mean
>The power of friendship helped good defeat evil once again

>>12734398
That day was brutal for Kuzuha.

>>12734774
Only if your standards are impossible or thought of it as horse betting. The numbers were objectively great.
>>12734581
No, you're being silly.

>>12728263
GO SUISEI GO

>>12734296
Honestly, Hololives box pushing strat is unique in all vtuberdom simply because of how effective it is. Think back to when Korone was starting to gain traction in the west or even earlier with Fubuki being Hololive flagship Chuuba. In both instances, the whole thing could have easily turned into a NijiEn situation where 1 talent pretty much sucks the audiences attention leaving the rest of their mates empty. But for some reason, people just end up following the others too. Kind of like being introduced to an interesting side-character who also just happens to have their own spin-off. The fact that ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING is a thing in Hololive that mimics twitch raids without having to use an automatic system to accomplish it is a feat onto itself.

>>12734836
Killjoy.

>>12734296
>Hololive's brand carries their talents
Given that we have learned that Hololive really only hires people with successful roommates/previous channels, I'd argue their "success" is just carry over from the old fans of the girls. Hololive's "success" is nothing but them padding out their numbers by forcing old fans to support their Hololive personas instead, as evidenced by Cover forcing their talents to focus their activity on Hololive.
Compare that to Niji wherein they are more willing to hire people with little to no experience, and have generally a laissez-faire approach

So Hololive might get immediate "success" (really just shuffling old fans into the new Holo channels), Niji is about building a community that deeply cares about their favorite streamer.

Anyone here ever been autistic enough to actually measure and rank Holos by how much traffic their generals recieve on /vt/ throughout the day on average? Because at just a spitball’s glance I would guess that some combination of Kronii, Gura, and Mori are the top 3 in that catagory.

>>12734880
Explain Baelz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tZSWNriTl8
Was Matsuri right here or just mistaken?

>>12734943

>Iroha Translation
Might as well discount the clip already

>Kronii will play Blue Archive too

>>12734880
>Given that we have learned that Hololive really only hires people with successful roommates/previous channels
You can't possibly make that argument and explain Miko and Suisei on the JP side or RatGirl and Amelia on the EN side.

Also that was a very realistic parody of the "slow and steady" anon, 8/10, it was TOO realistic in a way it really resembles him

>12734880
shit, the new form of cultivating audience post and slow and steady cope mesh into one post now

>>12734296
Box pushing has only worked once in vtubing. It's a meme that is the seed of failure for all EN startups.

>>12735034
QRD on this game?

>>12734880
kek good one nijinigger

>>12734199
>Anycolor is worth more than Cover
>Source: "Dude, trust me."

>>12735089
A RPG gacha that's being getting really popular lately, also it's published by yostar

>>12734914
Kronii is definitely the fastest one, I see three threads a day with more than 500 replies. This is an interesting question thought. I filtered the word "gura"

>>12735034

Just saw her schedule
>On a break from Nov 12-18th!

Was that know already?

>>12734880
Their old fanbases are drops in the bucket compared to their new ones for most of them. Also Hololive doesn't force graduation or quitting their old content accounts.

>>12735244
>12734880
yeah she told last week when she did the light schduled. tought that light schedul ended with 2 new streams vollbas.

>>12735244
She mentioned taking a break on her member-only stream last week (or two weeks ago?). She brought it up to non-member the first time yesterday, though

>>12735244
yeah, she talk about it on stream

>>12735089
Coom gacha with shite rate

>>12734880
>we have learned that Hololive really only hires people with successful roommates/previous channels
Yeah, because Miko was a success before hololive and not just a 2view streamer or even in her first year on Hololive wasn't on the hundreds. She was successull before and now "carried" her sucess to be on the top 10 Vtubers in Japan.
Even before Gen 5, you had like one or 2 girls with some experience on every generation but nothing elseworthy. If anything the Hololive brand and their personality are what carries them.
>Hololive's "success" is nothing but them padding out their numbers by forcing old fans to support their Hololive personas
my sides. You can't be serious. Noel even went berserk when she said danchou in her roommate account. Cover doesn't make the girls drop their others jobs/personas for hololive and the girls still use them one way or another.
Is really dumb your point.

>>12734880
>"s-slow and stready"
kek

>>12735034
>Myth and Council getting sponsors left, right and center
>Meanwhile Project: Hope with its lone member
IRyS...

>>12735034
They are either all exclusively excited for the game or they're getting sponsored.

>>12735058
>has only worked once in vtubing
That's silly, people think
>yeah, let's just drop on each other's streams at random
is all that there is for a sucessful "box pushing" operation.
Here is the thing: even within Hololive there are those that failed miserably to "get in the robot" and play their part on the whole box pushing thing, and failed as much as the rest of the other companies, and for the same reason

Here is one example: Aki.
There is a reason she lags in every possible metric: for external reasons outside of her control she missed some large "box pushing" arcs and then when she was finally back she made some wrong choices (like sticking with ARK when the meta moved to Minecraft) and she ended up as the "odd one out".

Mel, OTOH, missed some arcs. She was **almost** pivotal in the "PekoMoona arc" with one of the early memes out of it was Pekora calling her castle a "prison" but her general unavailability made her disappear right when everybody and their parrots inclined through Minecraft.
And yet she came back strong now in the late part of 2021 and is full blown onboard with everything that is propping the other girls up and her numbers show the improvement.

Box pushing is not just "one for all". It takes a deliberate strategy and enough "heavy hitters" to lift the smaller ones. That's what most other companies (including NijiEN) get wrong.
It's not "chemistry", it's not "group talent", it is stronger streamers giving the smaller ones a platform for them to shine AND the smaller ones taking the chance.

>>12733977
If Mel plays her cards right and remains consistent with streaming, I could see her 2022 being the equivalent of Towa 2021.

>>12735439
We don't know if they're getting sponsored.

The slow and steady anon getting creative, niji lost again aren't they?

Anyone know how well Evil God Korone is selling compared to previous Tsugunohi games?

Faggots in this thread really think that shuffling old fans between new and unestablished talents is a more viable business strategy than bringing in new buy loyal fanbase.

I hope you like crashing and burning. We've already seen how the old Tatsunokos have moved on from Hololive and are not supporting any of the remaining talents as evidenced by the massive drop in total watch hours for all of Hololove since Coco's graduation

>>12735419
He's not wrong anon slow and steady

He's mad

>>12735515
Doesn't Baelz put the same mark she used on her previous sponsored stream on this as well?

>>12735548
hard to tell since the other one availabe on steam is the kizuna one.

I can smell the salt and bile from here

>>12735631
now that's a massive drop

>>12735460
so you think it's less about "me" mentality but more "all for one, one for all" kind of deal?

>>12735515
no way mumei is chosing this otherwise

>>12735631
The male one if anyone wants to compare albeit from different anon, the fuck happen to Gwelu ?

To think the "slow and steady" anon REALLY believe that makes me sad.
I am not even kidding, it's like that old /b/ creepypasta of "WAKE UP, PLEASE WAKE UP" with anon getting locked into a fantasy dream to escape from reality

kek, who am I kidding, it makes me laugh. But I acknowledge it should be sad somehow

>>12735515
If they are then it's a good sign of things to come for them.

>>12735515
I can't imagine Kronii playing this kind of games without a good reason

>>12735817
No, it is the opposite. The mistake is to think merely playing "all for one, one for all" is enough. It isn't.

It takes hard work from the top dogs to create the right environment they can take a step back and let some smaller talent shine **without losing their own audiencePP, while a tthe same time have the smaller talent WORK THEIR ASS OFF and play their part to perfection to take the chance they are given.

>>12735844
gwelu that month had 100k celebration and was drawing memebers of nijisanji and got big numbers with that

i still think this is also part of the decemebr spam viewer filter also but kzuuha,kanae and minato are carrying for now

>>12735602
Fauna is getting more than 20 times her old max CCV ever. Mumei streamed to less than 100 despite her dead sub count. Bae was a double digit numberlet. Kronii did well on one account but her vtuber persona was a numberlet too.

If the mods ban me for this shit I will be livid.

>>12735602
To be fair, Coco fans had a number of justifiable reasons to be pissed at Cover/Hololive and thus be done with it once she moved on. That and the fact she is still around allows them to get their vtuber fix outside of Hololive. Not every fanbase will be as swift to abandon the Hololive family, honestly I don’t think any can compare to the fury that the Tatsunokos have towards the Corp.

>>12735942
>mods
>doing something
nice joke anon

>>12735906
Damn, then there must be a lot of teamwork behind the scenes. I still don't know how Mel managed to get Pekora for her live. I get Marine since she's outgoing but Pekora was a genuine surprise.

>>12735752
Yes but she did it for the sports festival.
>>12735828
>>12735898
We don't know that.
>>12735871
Seems silly to use HoloCouncil to shill and no one else.

>>12735934
By years not month

>>12736034
>silly to use girls from the biggest vtuber company of the world to shill their global version
are you ogey?

>>12736012
>I still don't know how Mel managed to get Pekora for her live
That's the genius part above one change in meta few people paid attention to: the shift from "live" live to "live" solo interaction with the audience plus pre recorded duets, trios and other group..

Based on who appeared with whom there are clearly "recording days" where girls show up at the studio to record their own lives, and when they also record their parts for other girl lives.
I can genuinely see Mel (or her manager) approaching Pekora (or her manage) and asking
>hey usagi, you're recording your live this week too, right? Are you available to make a duet with me? The song is so and so, if so here are the dates for rehearsal: X, Y, Z, propose any changes if it makes it easier for you onegaishimasu

>>12734934
What is her PL?

>>12736034
>Seems silly to use HoloCouncil to shill and no one else.
My rrats because they're brand risk-friendly

>>12736127
Why use Hakos, Nakadashi, and Kronii to do it?

>>12735844
1-2k is his average, this is what's wrong with taking snapshots and thinking it's the norm. Mayuzumi had a fucking 80k average in June because he came back from a 2 month long break and did a lore stream, you think that's his average??

>>12736233
Because myth is shit at shill streams?

>>12734880
Is this opposite day?

>>12735548
Tsugunohi is too small for sales figures from steamspy and Evil Dog Korone is too new, however they have gotten concurrent player highs of 163 and 116 respectively.

>>12736127
>biggest vtuber company of the world
False, which one that had #1 vtuber in the world on their home page again? Yeah not holo

>>12736233
they are cheaper than Myth but still far better than any other EN chuuba

>>12736233
Ina is also playing it but only for Members.

>>12736127
I think what he meant was that they could've sponsored other VTubers as well, not just Council (i.e: Myth or IRyS) or Hololive in particular (i.e: NijiEN).

>>12736288
?

>>12735982
I’ve been banned like 5 times because I was talking about Nijiniggers. I actually just got banned last week

>>12736322
>>12736289

Blue Archive is korean. Kronii is korean. The others are a bonus

>>12736456
i tought yohstar was chinese

>>12736233
>Hakos
Leader position of Council. Have been building up decent JP & EN fanbase
>Kronii
Council's ace. Having highest amount of SC, CCV and members
>Mumei
Dunno. 2nd highest among Council, perhaps?

In preparation to the shitposts coming after seeing Kronii finally put her break on the schedule now, anyone have the stats to show how many hours streamed that the Council has done now? Maybe also add in Myth's stats up to when Council debut? Be curious to see how far ahead/behind Kronii's hours are with the other ENs.

>>12736501
Blue Archive Global is being published by Nexon

>>12736272
Are they? I don't really watch HoloEN.

>>12736511
>Leader position of Council. Have been building up decent JP & EN fanbase
Not good numbers
>Council's ace. Having highest amount of SC, CCV and members
>Dunno. 2nd highest among Council, perhaps?
Okay I guess. Still feels like Blue Archive can do better.

>>12736291
That's a red flag. Maybe it means no sponsorship after all.

>>12735906
So applying this to NijiEn. Selen would need to incline further while increasing her collabs with the branch. And wave 3 should stop doing watchalongs and actually start doing stuff that would get them an audience. Is that right?

>>12736593
almost every HoloEN shill stream is unbearably shit. Probably the least shit one was the recent AmeSame cookie shill stream but they still had to force it over the allotted time frame.

>>12735602
>Faggots in this thread really think that shuffling old fans between new and unestablished talents is a more viable business strategy than bringing in new buy loyal fanbase.
No one said that and no one ITT believes that. That said, the market for VTubers in general isn't that big and the potential audience that is likely to watch Hololive (especially in the west) is already aware of their existence.

In my opinion, the biggest hurdle for Cover to overcome is clippers, because short videos is currently the meta for audience capture. Long form streamers won't get you an audience beyond what's currently available to YouTube without moving to Twitch... and I think even Facebook/Instagram has better potential in this regard... and they hold the Meta with an iron grip.

>>12736501
developers are korean, publisher is yohstar (cn) + nexon (kr), idk how that works

>>12736593
He's a retard, Ina was doing a movie watchalong of Blue Period.

>>12736625
Who knows but box pushing is a trap.

>>12736288
Have you considered why they took down that "#1 vtuber in the world" on their homepage?

>>12735975
The thing is that even if most of the tatsunokos hate management, they don't actually hate the girls. It's the reason why big events for Hololive like the sportsfest are actually growing instead of declining.

>>12736192
A 2view.

>>12735602
Who are these Tatsunokos causing a massive drop in viewership? They sure as shit weren't watching Coco during her normal streams.

>>12736192
MyHoloTV 2nd gen

>>12736593
Unless you mean getting Myth to do it, Blue Archive unironically can't do better. 5-10k ccv for a waifu gacha game to an audience that would actually have some interest in that thing is incredible. There's a reason Raid Shadow Legends (and basically any mobile game) will literally sponsor anyone.

>>12735602

Idk what world you live but just take a look at some tweets in big holo events through the hashtags and you always find people with coco oshi mark talking about it/showing support. Hell, a lot of the artists that mainly did Coco art still do things for other talents and her new persona ofc.

>>12736531
September 2021:
>Kiara: 125.7
>Baelz: 69.8
>IRyS: 69.3
>Ina: 62.4
>Mori: 60.0
>Sana: 59.2
>Ame: 54.1
>Fauna: 48.0
>Kronii: 45.8
>Gura: 41.1
>Mumei: 41.0

October 2021:
>Kiara: 96.8
>Mori: 85.4
>IRyS: 73.1
>Gura: 70.3
>Ame: 67.0
>Ina: 62.3
>Kronii: 56.5
>Fauna: 54.0
>Baelz: 50.4
>Mumei: 39.6
>Sana: 25.1

Total hours streamed Sep + Oct:
>Kiara: 222.5
>Mori: 145.4
>IRyS: 142.4
>Ina: 124.7
>Ame: 121.1
>Baelz: 120.2
>Gura: 111.4
>Kronii: 102.3
>Fauna: 102.0
>Sana: 84.3
>Mumei: 80.6
(Council debuted on 23 Aug so this is missing their debut week, but I'm too lazy to dig those numbers up)

>>12737159
>mairo party collab
>only 3k increase of her usual
twitcth discovery is ass

>>12737141
Wow so even with like weeks no stream, Sana still has more than Mumei?

>>12735411
>Gen 5
Even there only Botan and Polka had notable past lives, the rest weren't particularly successful or famous at all, or in Lamy's case practically a mystery.

holokeks btfo

>>12737295
don't look the daily chart fatty

>>12737283
Yup. People gives Kronii shit for taking break or playing MC off-stream, but apparently she is still the second most hardworking Council member so far. Not sure if it's a good thing for Kronii or a bad sign for other Council members, though

>>12734836
>The numbers were objectively great
Yeah, and making it to the Super Bowl and scoring 41 points means you are an extremely great team. However it doesn't mean much if the other team scored 43. You are still the loser.

>>12737295
I thought Zen was on break. Or is he still streaming, just not under the VShoujo banner?

>>12737283
>>12737598
Mumei streamed more frequently. She just has less hours streamed because her streams tend to be on the shorter side

>>12737159
>nyanners starts stream
>veibae raids
they are really trying hard to inflate the numbers

>>12737821
Pretty sure raiding each other was the point of being under a company

>>12737196
it's still going up

>>12732746
Okay; imagine you're a highly successful indie streamer or content creator, and you get scouted or recruited by Nijisanji to join a future EN gen.

Why would you ever trade independence and fully owning your channel, character/identity, and all revenue to go corpo for a company that very clearly will not give you any kind of comparable benefit in return given you would be carrying an entire branch of otherwise lower view members? You're not gaining anything in that equation and only giving up things that you currently have in return, while simultaneously taking a HUGE risk in either starting over with a new fanbase or, if you're allowed to keep your current channel and character/identity, alienating your current fanbase.


HoloEN and Vshojo are genuinely the only entities currently on the market that could pull in and poach big independent players. It's that simple.

>>12737958
True.
>>12737821
Even with raids, it's not even close to the ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING that Hololive is capable of.

>>12737958
>Last time Kronii raided, she had to apology for it and told her viewers not to do it again
Turned out Clock was ahead of time for Holo, eh?

>>12738076
Amount of independent EN VTubers who can make more than NijiEN members (SC, merchs and membership included) can be counted on one hand, perhaps two hands at most. Half of Ethyria were pretty big names among indies before they joined Niji, and it doesn't look like any of them is complaining right now

>>12736700
I believe yostar handles JP, nexon handles global. Although wouldnt be surprised that the developer got holoen to shill it through yostar

>>12736729
Blue Period is the new Blue Archive kek

>>12738121
Gura accidently "raided" Ame's stream by mentioning "Ame is streaming" when she's about to end the stream in the early days of Myth, and that caused a minor shit storm.

>>12738209
Sure, I agree with that. The point being that the anon I'm responding to is specifically calling for how NijiEN just needs to recruit a "big hitter" without understanding why nobody big enough to pull up an entire branch by their bootstraps would ever be incentivized to.

If the idea is that you need to bring in a massive name and channel to resuscitate your branch, you're already not in a position to pull that off.

>>12738074
vei raided

>>12738575
She raided an hour ago.

>>12738076
>Won't give you a comparable benefit
>Merch sales
>easy collab partners
>new updates/costumes for model without having to spend a single cent
>any legal issues the company can deal with
>etc
Just because they aren't getting mad $$$ like Holo doesn't mean Niji isn't offering anything. I'm a Holofag but even I'd say that you're a retard if you think joining any company has no benefit because "you're earning less than Holo"

>>12738748
yeah and only 1k stick

>>12738811
Dumbass

>>12738810
"Comparable" is the keyword here, anon. Do you seriously believe that merch sales, collab partners, and costumes are even remotely near the ballpark of a reasonable return in comparison to the proportion of revenue you would now be giving to a company if you were a "big hitter" who was scouted to join NijiEN?

Again, in the context of the anon I replied to, we're talking about large channels with significant current fanbases, not "good numbers by indie standards" streamers.

>>12738811
what

>>12738962
That actually seems like a fairly low peak compared to her baseline for a collab with multiple raids. Twitch being generous with ccv seems to leave less room for monster peaks compared to the culled averages of yt

>>12739130
Just a Vei raid afaik

>>12739130
twitch discovery is shit and becasue they dont have thumbnails most poeple not watching twitter wont know about it.

>Holodeath Mario Party on the 12th
/#/ thoughts?

>>12738209
yeah. aren't that many EN indies that can get decent numbers. most would gladly join

>>12739130
>ironmouse
>nyanners
>+vei raid
>& the other one
15.5k for top vsj collab, they still have a long way to beat Nimu's peak

>>12739233
Depends on the channel
rushia 30k
morio 20k
ollie 10-15k

>>12739349
I think Ollie is too much of a debuff for it to reach 30k even on Rushia's channel, though I'm happy to be proven wrong.

>>12738944
Depends on context. It definitely was worth it for exceptional talent like Kuzuha and Lulu. I'm having a hard time right now thinking of a "heavy hitter" previously who is now a average tier talent in Niji (closest to mind is probably Chigusa, but even then, she wasn't really that big in ENTUM)
If you can show me a specific BIG talent who is now a nobody in Niji, I'll concede this point.
For most low tier - mid tier talents though, it's definitely worth it.

>>12739343
Still just one raid and you really gotta stop looking at vshojo collabs the same way as you would for collabs in other companies. A collab is not a major event in vshojo, it's just a day that ends in 'y'.

>>12739539
>A collab is not a major event in vshojo, it's just a day that ends in 'y'
vshoujo has no major events for the most part.

>>12739539
A major event in VShojo would be Hime actually fucking streaming.

>>12739583
That's what I'm saying

>>12736501
>>12736573
I doubt Cover will ignore that the JP publisher is different. I'm surprised they even have permissions. I'm pretty positive they aren't sponsoring HoloEN.

>>12739607
She streamed yesterday, not a major event either but it was a pretty fun scuffed stream

>>12739623
What would be the next step for them as a company anyways?
It's not like they're doing anything Nijisanji/Hololive does with concerts/events/sponsorship deals (it was discussed yesterday about some of their sponsored streams being from twitch bounties).

>>12739410
>Ollie is too much of a debuff
What happened here? Wasn't she known for her good collab?

>>12739738
But they are? They have an upcoming partnership with NipponTV for something. They are most likely just waiting for COVID restrictions to be lifted

>>12739681
We will see, but it's not like it was Cover who decided to distance themselves from Chink-related sponsors. It was the CN-related sponsors who decided to distance themselves from Cover / Hololive instead. It's possible that Nexon decided upon this without checking with Yostar, or maybe Yostar thought it'd be fine to give Hololive a few sponsored streams now that most Chinks might have moved on.

>>12733227
Have a vtuber ever reached a Median of 40k before?

>>12734880
Slow and Steady Nijifags are always saying Nijisanji will conquer EN by taking away all famous personalities.
and that HoloEN are too cheap that they hire 2views like Ame, Bae and Kronii
Wtf happened to this nijifag argument?

>>12739925
Not like they have a lot of love for the CCP anyways, look at AL and AK.
Blue archive is made by a Korean dev, published by a Korean company.
Why would they care what China thinks?

>>12738810
What anon said was not about "earning less than Hololive", but "earning less than the previous identity". Multiple livers are taking part-time or full-time jobs outside of streaming for Nijisanji since their company prefers to use their millions dollar earnings to print more vtubers instead of giving their livers wages.

>>12739738
Some are but most aren't, especially nyanners ones. As far as concerts they are taking part in this vills concert next month and nyanners had the kizuna ai one before too. The anniversary later this month will be kind of an event and the same goes for the first stream of any new members.
New members feel like the logical next step as a company and then either vshonen or vshojoJP as they were accepting auditions from any experienced streamer regardless of nationality or gender.

>>12739977
Who has been invited to collab with big streamers such as Ludwig and Offline TV? While they are stuck in their walled up circle, Niji is building connections with the greater Vtuber and streamer circles. Watch as Cover will see their mistake and beg streamers like Sykunno for a collab with Gura, but at that point, NijiEN will have already had a monopoly on collabs.

i just noticed that both nyanners and mouse youtube channels are dying views wise.

Even if they stream or twitch they really need that for discoverability

>>12740102
>OTV
Their collabs haven't done jack shit to gain them new viewers. Their audience don't like anime shit anyways.
>>12740149
Youtube punishes people who don't post content consistently.

Has any vtubers in that Squid Gane collab experienced any growth after playing with top Western streamers?

>>12740149
Clipfags get videos out way faster, there's probably some up from this stream already

>>12740279
NijiEN has been mogging Hololive in CCV lately, so yes

>>12740102
Ohh hey, speak of the devil. The slow and steady anon is here

>>12740279
Yeah, some got better known through it. Also the ones that are in the minecraft server have seen their numbers go up lately.

>>12740371
did she get another mini raid
mine says 15.7k which is an improvement over the 15.2 some moments ago.

>>12740371
Don't know if it's accurate or not because it changes to 15.7K when refreshing.

>>12740362
proof?

>>12740441
>>12740362
I don't know if he's being sarcastic or baiting
But see this.
>>12733227

>>12732350
Gura got an average of 38.2k viewers for 70 minutes, that's 2,674,000 minutes watched, dividing that by 298k we get 8.97 minutes per viewer

>>12740437
Was actually a froot raid but didn't affect things much as there's not much crossover there. Her viewers are pretty much exclusively apexfags

kek
What the fuck are they doing in Nyanners stream

>>12739977
> 40k median
Gura and Pekora did last year before the 'spam view' update.

Wait, how do we categorize converts again? I wonder if its a better idea to just put them in different category.
Also, wouldn't twitch ccv's would be better off in a different category too if the talk about how its counted differently is actually real.

>>12740005
Nijisanji is investing its money into improving live2D and 3D tech as well as sponsoring musical projects for their talents, Cover is throwing that money away on retarded crap like making an open-world RPG.

>>12741145
>improving live2D and 3D tech
Doesnt look like it, seems they are just throwing money at Vr and guest popular bands.

There is a nice bait thread about the Mr.Koro game in the catalog. Did the niggers here get pissed or something after seeing the numbers from it ?

>>12741204
Blind.

>>12741212
but anon its ILLEGAL GAME FUNNELLING.

>>12741204
Have you seen the latest 3d debut from Niji? It was shit.

>>12741100
Yes. We know 10k on Twitch isn't the same as 10k on YT. I'm all for tracking Twitch number trends, comparing numbers directly across platforms that don't even count the numbers the same is asinine.

>>12741145
Ah yes, tens of thousands of people watch Kuzuha play apex because of the latest technology developed by AnyColor. These live2D and 3D tech really help the smaller streamers to stream full time!

>>12741204
i meant AR
>>12741314
i wouldnt call it shit but isnt that different from hololiver

>>12741100
VShobro here and I don't really care about getting tribal and comparing numbers between platforms. More interested in how we did this month, compared to last month, compared to the month before etc. And only the average numbers matter over this side. Peaks are fun for 'remember that time x got raided' but generally have no real value.

>>12740102
have they not already collabed with Scarra and Lily? that was months ago, what's the status now?

>>12734774
Hell, the entirely of October's final week was brutal for Kuzuha

I wonder if in the future, EN vtubers will just stay exclusively to Twitch because YT is such a dead zone for them. This will clearly cause a divide to the point where Twitch vtubers will morph into a different genre and change from "vtuber" to something else.

>>12738209
>doesn't look like any of them is complaining right now
Didn't Pomu say something about being worried they're expanding too fast and it's affecting her numbers? There are also others like Millie and Nina expressing concerns about their numbers too.

>>12741627
Hololive dominance on YT makes it likely. But conceding and streaming on Twitch just makes the Hololive algorithm stronger.

HoloEN needs some more members to cover more hours so that their stranglehold on the market will grow stronger

Also, how do vtubers on YT even get discovered by a casual?

>>12741642
Pomu said she doesn't necessarily agree with Nijisanji's strategy of how fast they release waves but that she's in no position to say anything.
>>12741751
Riku is never going to concede defeat to Hololive on Youtube.

>>12741627
Doubt it. discoverability is stil ass on twitch. And youtube cathcing up on their "features" just make twitch less appealing in the future.
>>12741642
not with those words just anxiety from her numbers and new wave already coming after ethyria.

>>12739461
You're talking about NijiJP when I'm talking NijiEN; they really aren't similar situations in the least bit. I absolutely agree with you in the context of NijiJP but given the current structure, status, and value of the NijiEN branch there just isn't enough there to sell to a "heavy hitter" in the context of the anon I was responding to to entice them to give up their independence and personal channel to join NijiEN. The only two organizations in the western Vtuber market that can provide that level of value, in my mind, are HoloEN and Vshojo.

Again, we have to keep things in context here. I believe that the vast, VAST majority of Vtubers looking to join a corporation would be ecstatic to join NijiEN. A decent number of regular content creators would be happy to be scouted as well. Those aren't who that anon was talking about, though, and they aren't who I'm talking about either.

>>12734398
https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/vt/thread/12299621/

Enjoy

>>12741751
>how do vtubers on YT even get discovered by a casual?
Ads. I've read comments on Hachi's videos that thank an ad for discovering her that was chronologically before Azki fest. Makes me think vsingers have better traction outside of the holo bubble because of how music taste can vary. Clips have been explained to death but the holo stranglehold raises the importance of being holo-adjacent in this scene. Aside from YT, this board is probably better for chuuba discoverability than anywhere else but it's highly dependent on the autism of fans, which favors idolfags

>>12741751
On youtube, if you scroll down the recommended videos, you'll find 2views after the 100th recommended video. You can find 4-digits chuuba within top 10 recommended if they are streaming. 3-digits chuuba resides within 10 to 25+. 2 digits chuuba resides within 50 to 100+.
But the thing is even if you catch any of this who-tier chuuba, their recommendation feeds are populated by hololive contents, so you are back to hololive fandom by the next stream or vod. Watching these indies is akin of having a one night stand. You'll need to put in more effort if you want to keep in contact with them.

>>12741897
The only way they can attract a bigshot now is if said bigshot prefers the culture of Nijisanji over the culture of Hololive.

Or if they're male and want to be a corpo vtuber. Male EN indie vtubers are irrelevant though, so they have to hope a big non-vtuber male is interested. Even then, they might lose to the upcoming Vshonen.

Are there any candidates that fits this criteria?

>>12741776
Based Riku, if NijiEN cedes YT then HoloEN + management will get complacent with all their competitors on a separate platform,

>>12742164
also big clippers who tries to clip non holos are always punished by bad views and they go back to translating more Pekora clips. It's an impressive self sufficient ecosystem.

>>12735174
>published by yostar
Only in JP
Global (The version Council is playing) is published by Nexon (Who owns the dev, if I remember correctly)

>>12742175
Connor lmao

>>12741897
>ecstatic to join NijiEN
Well, they should be because Niji is like the best chance at getting a decent chunk out from the job, but going into it means you're stopping yourself from the chance of getting into Hololive or Vshojo due to the contract. Niji could still give you a decent salary from SCs, voicepack, merch etc but other than that, you won't get that far. All of the Myth members are already set and ready to go for a free one month trip paid expense at a local onsen hotel in Japan with the other members welcoming them and inviting them to their homes.

>>12735340
>Coom gacha with shite rate
Here's a tip, anon
The rate is only shit when you don't get what you want

>>12742112
>>12742164
Thanks for the explanation

>>12741799
>Doubt it. discoverability is stil ass on twitch. And youtube cathcing up on their "features" just make twitch less appealing in the future.

How does YT compare to Twitch specifically? I never go to Twitch so I don't know enough to compare.

>https://clips.twitch.tv/TriumphantSuperDelicataKeyboardCat-MYqf9nwsjaBM3uHS
>138k
Vshojo I kneel

>>12742191
Not like it matters, getting a monopoly on YT means they're earning a lot from being the sole "big streamer" group on YT. It's also easier to get sponsored on YT than it is on twitch.

>>12741100
Put both in a different category or don't, they rarely get brought up by the vyt sperg or twitchschizo.

>>12742318
the side bar of youtube is the main reason people discover things.

>>12742318
Twitch is easy to find vtubers. Just go to 'browse' and filter using the vtuber tag. You can add further tags too if you want to narrow it down or add a specific game.

what was the peak for kson-pikamee?

>>12741642
Pomu still hasn't quit her job yet right? At this rate I don't think she ever will

>>12742590
She will after she jumps ship to HoloEN3

cam on irys lets get that 4k

>>12741399
Hololive isn't exactly a high watermark.

>>12742843
oh im aware dont worry both have ok 3d but nothing outstanding

>>12742949
I think most people here are just disappointed by the lack of jiggle from the last Niji 3D debut.

A lot of people here said that Twitch audience hate weeb stuff, but is it really though? Most Twitch watchers are late millennials + zoomers so I think they are a little bit more receptive to anime and JP culture.

>>12743179
it depends on the audience, I remember seeing forsen's chat split in half whenever some evangelist mediashares a vtuberclip.

>>12742774
Done and done.
>>12743179
The demographic of zoomers isn't one giant blob, it can be segmented into groups as well. There's just a loud group that'll call anything anime/vtuber related 'cringe' when it shows up. Of course the correct course of action as a streamer (if you aren't one of those that think its cringe and in fact think it's pretty cool) is to ban them so chat doesn't get out of hand, but that's on the streamer.

why 4k for IRyS? I feel like she can easily reach that

>>12743369
it is her suual floor

Moona's the baddest isn't doing so hot huh? is it the MV art? song?

>>12738076
Don't forget that you also have to deal with a multitude of restrictions as part of a Japanese company. Literally the only worthwhile company to join as an EN Indie right now is Hololive because in exchange for those restrictions you get anywhere from 5-10 times your previous viewership.

>>12742536
7k. Might have gone higher but needed to leave midstream

>>12743524
It's not even the most popular song from that LOL group. If they had done the one where the girl is spray painting that subway car with neon shit it would have been more popular.

>>12743529
Heh for some of the HoloEN girls more like 50-100x more