/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

nah the moment she opens her mouth she mogged by anyone in NijiEn

>>12703475
>watame

This is bait or you’re fucking deaf

>>12703475
You're forgetting someone

I'd say she's better than Watame, but if you listen to VSingers outside hololive, you'll find plenty who are better singers than Suisei.

>>12703789
>>12703746
Weak bait

She's not that great a singer. I can't understand a single word she says.

>>12703475
touch grass and make better bait op

>>12703882
>EOP

>>12703746
Competition eliminated

>>12703882
Kojimateru clipped her singings with both English and Japanese subtitles, consider watching his clips if you need translations of her choice of songs

>>12703475
>she

>>12703630
This but unironically

>>12703746
Gura is unironically a better singer and I’m not saying that as a eop, she has better control over her own voice and her range far exceeds anything suisei can do with her limited range

>>12703746
>>12704188
>not wishing for a duo song instead of arguing who's better
ngmi

they all have their own specialized fields unlike some random boring vsingers

Might as well post some of my favorite Suisei karaokes in this bait thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk6akp8nWDc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxPuWxRHcX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpqp2Gd8vQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNYI3yq_eA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GitvGU6L6-8

>>12704474
>she has better control over her own voice and her range far exceeds anything suisei can do with her limited range
She already got mogged in the duo cover with Matsuri and you want to compare her with one of the top three

>>12704497
They'll never duet together anw, might as well eliminate the competition.

>>12704928
I... I have faith

>>12703475
she's in the lower echelons of what I consider top tier singers, she sings extremely well in her natural range and her voice is pretty and unique. You can compare chuubas singing the same song such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6gQ4glZ30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuW2meEwJY
and compare yourself, I think Suisei is really good in this one but Enna just blows her away in after the second chorus in my opinion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh7OsORoAh0
And this is Watame for a comparison and she isn't close to those two at all.

>>12703789
got some rec?

>>12703746
The only one that can match Gura is Isekaijoucho
Suisei is good, but only by imprinting that idea for a long time by spamming songs, just like Mori
I kid you not, I saw many people tweeted that Mori's singing is God Tier

>>12708683
check primer in >>12685689
if you're most into hololive other than a cover here and there focus more on AZKi, Suisei and IRyS for very skilled singers

Go fucking kill yourself with your bait.

>>12703475
Her voice isnt cute or beautiful so no.

>>12708649
post a singer and an original song that beats Suisei's if you really want to make a point. else you're just making vague opinion posts

>>12703475
best in hololive, but the standard in hololive is strangely low

>>12709849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkvtKUQp3nM&list=PLpt61bADOMwW2aA9I1hWHyR8OixSuCXzc
have fun

>>12703630
Enna doesn’t mog, she fucking bulldozes people

Stop falling for a bait thread, faggots

>>12709849
https://youtu.be/9dK3lA-GEc0
Suisei BTFO

>>12710195
every thread in this board that isn't a general is bait, might as well make something useful out of them

>>12704474
>range
All she can sing are meme ukelele songs and strain her voice over more powerful voice songs

>>12710569
It doesn't matter at all if it's MV, they can fix that
And with a lil bit training she can perform well imho
https://youtu.be/gNBcZ1FG7T4

>>12708649
I like Suisei's better

Suishit fans mad lol. Classic.

>>12703475
She's a good singer but a better marketer.
It pointless to rank singers above a certain level, it's too subjective

>>12703475
RIM literally miles better than her
https://youtu.be/ksfxRwJw9VI

>>12703746
Gura needs to make original songs or she wont be able to do concerts.

>>12703630
>IM GONNA SING KERO KERO SGT FROG AGAIN FOR THE SEVENTH TIME, CHAT WUT ARE YOU GONNA DOOO? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>>12710195
But I'm killing this thread though

>>12710840
>And with a lil bit training
Yeah but all know she won't

>>12711155
At least put the best RIM song bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIR94m89mk0

>>12708683
Off the top of my head, Hachi, all of Kamitsubaki (Isekaijoucho, Kaf, Rim, Ciel, Koko, Harusaruhi, Ema from Dustcell, Aru, and Asu), a bunch from Nijisanji (Chima, Levi, Melissa, Ryushen, Kazaki, Hayase, Inui, Enna), the two headliners from Re:Act (Leona, Kyo), Kotone, Yuka Nagase, Metamoe, and finally my girl Ninaninin.

>>12711447

Okay, Suishitter

>>12709849
You don't need to be a good singer to make good music, I wouldn't ever call Mito a good singer, but Fuyukan UFO is my favorite vtuber song by a good margin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3M3NHzFL0Q

Anyways here's someone who Suisei can never hope to match vocally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKZt1vq8bKI

>>12703475
She's better than most irl singers so yeah

here have a pasta while timelooping this yet again

As a regular of /vsinger/:

- Suisei can power sing, and is the most common name mentioned. Her weakness is really just one: lack of smooth transition between notes.
- Gura can sing softly with her vibrato and is suited to jazz / lounge music. Her weakness is the lack of consistency and practice. Baka Mitai and Lemon seem to be sung by 2 different people.
- Irys has perfect pitch control, but weak higher notes (not fixed in her studio covers).
- Azki has good techniques and a very soft voice, but is reluctant at holding notes (which is fixed in her studio covers, where she is great).
- Risu, when she drops the squeaky voice, is both talented and unpolished. Maybe not enough power or vibrato for some people, but still pleasant.
- Moona is also talented but more unpolished. Has a lot of errors in live singing, but does some variations not seen from others (e.g. Unravel).
- Sora is okay when she does opera or similar kinds of music, otherwise her high notes are just nasal.
- Watame, Towa, Mio, Ayame, Shion sound better in the studio than when they are live (Azki is also like this, to be fair). Pitch control during live singing is a common problem among them. I can pull out timestamps if you want but I don't want to be a jerk here if you enjoy their better songs. Among this pack I'd say Watame is the most well-practiced, but they can all shine with good studio covers.
- Rikka, Izuru, Astel are good if you watch the guys. Better than most of the girls, even.

I can't recommend that people listen to just hololive, as none of them compare to the best names of /vsinger/. Or viewed otherwise, for smaller vtubers, no one would care if you're not substantially better than the average holos.

Finally, I will note the fact that there are many hipsters who find it cool to dismiss Gura because she is popular. That is cringe. Gura's style of jazz and lounge music is her own niche, and her best songs (like Titanium) are not covered by other holos (or even most vsingers). Variety is always a plus.

This cunt can't sing

>>12711832
Based

>>12703475
I personally find Sora a better singer. I like Suichan but I think Sora just sounds smoother

>>12711803
>lack of smooth transition between notes.
Can you explain this or give an example? I don't into music.

>>12711762
Eyy, I pointed Isekaijoucho first

>>12711803
What is this technical shit, anon? None of us here understand that shit. The only thing matters is whether it moves your emotions or not, which Suisei's doesn't.

>>12703475
>What do you like about Holos?
Talks about what he/she likes about Holos.
>What do you like about Nijis?
Talks about why Nijis are better than Holos.

And many such cases...

>>12710569
she just doesn't like belting and only tries it once in a bluemoon
https://files.catbox.moe/d9wi4e.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/grwpzq.mp4

>>12710132
heh. i already listen to azki, inochi.fakefakefake i like
>>12711762
first one is very comfy very nice.
>>12710203
this second vtuber needs better songs... its hard for me to really go wow, do you guys have another song?

>>12711888
slight off-picth moments when changing between notes instead of being a sharp, clear change

>>12709849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHaLEBcIayQ

>>12711888
like this song
https://youtu.be/-ryG_yoUFno?t=460
it's distracting. even rushia sing this better with her whsiper voice and worse pitch control. she at least conveys the emotional intent of the song better

>>12711967
Your brain is quantifiable anon.
It's consistent, and understands music better than your conscious ever will.
Your ears are untrained, you lack a repertoire, yet still understand the concept of good and bad music.
The distinction of good and bad music is in technicality and theory, which is exactly why it needs to be used, and why Suisei is objectively a top singer.

>>12712090
>>12712203
>>12712240
All sound like shit, back to the tone deaf vault you go

>>12712144
This is slower
https://youtu.be/e0ZfB1o-Msw

>>12711967
technicals have their use but expression is key i agree. that said, i haven't seen alot of indie songs that convey as much emotions as some of suisei's

Holocunts are not singers. Learn to deal with it.

>>12704497
>Suisei is bad when duet with stranger
>Gura usually get fucked by mixer
That's won't work

>>12712347
You forget your Selen picture

>>12703475
she's miles ahead of anyone in the vtuber space, and even a lot of professional singers outside of it

Good fucking god why are Hoshiyomis such toxic, rabid faggots? Suisei isn't perfect, she has flaws jesus christ. And it's ok if someone just doesn't have a preference for her, doesn't mean they despise her.

Girls aren't good singers, this is what a good singer sounds like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGvYwVW38mc

>>12712398
She’s so adorable I love her

>>12712432
why does he sounds a lot like one of the guys from ICDD? wtf

>>12712347
Anyone can be a singer anon, a song can have a different sense of value for each listener and if it can move at least one person then I can say that it's a good performance.

>>12712370

Which one because there's so many of them lmao

>>12712277
Glad we can agree Suisei sounds like shit

>>12712418
No one is arguing that, but saying Suisei isn’t objectively a top tier singer is just plain retarded and tone deaf

>>12712285
i listened to it twice to make sure. sorry im pretty much a layman on these things the songs are in a way that the voices doesn't stand out.
im refering to the first song and the third song posted about this person, i think you guys are arguing about vocals and i have no real clue how to articulate.
thanks for the effort and the songs though

>>12703475
Suisei is overrated and overhyped. That's it, end of story.

nothing beats the soul of alive musix
meamea and fuku buchou old 3d are some of realest shit any vtuber have put out
https://youtu.be/TspYPWB_Tlw

>>12704392
I wasn't expecting her to sing so well. Sounds REALLY high quality

>>12712240
You've got to give her a free pass on this anon. This was during Coco's graduation and she was on the verge of tears.

>>12712628
Why is her guitar player a half naked man with pitch-black nipples?

>>12712285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuGTUriQXXU
felt bad so i looked for other songs, i think this cover gives her voice alot of angles. shes great. the robot/electric sound seems to be always there.

Why are cometfags like this?

I don't care about her singing, I just care about sui piss.
I don't care what manner of piss.
I want to imbibe her piss.
I want to piss inside her.
I want her to piss inside me.
I want her to piss into my braincage until my brain is floating inside sui piss in my skull.
I want to replace my entire bloodstream with sui piss.
I want to soak suisei inside a vat of her own piss for 90 days and bottle the sui-flavored sui piss as a special vintage.
I want to upload my consciousness to an alternate reality machine where every molecule of the universe is sui piss.

>>12712781
based, glory to piss alchemist

>>12712665
some videos in her PL channel are pro level, maybe she will grow a lot after a few more releases

>>12712781
>>12712832

>>12712781

>>12703475
https://youtu.be/h0Gr7iw_x3A?t=3874
nah

>>12712781
>>12712832

>>12712760

what about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a117kgda0sw

>>12713070
Hm, pretty good.

mito doesnt seem to have made official videos for 浮遊感 UFO/ Fuyuukan UFO
sad! its really nice.

God fucking dammit. Two hours, two fucking hours since I went to sleep and the thread goes to shit. The retarded that has something against hoshiyomis for some reason, the schizo that says suishit everytime, people fighting about who's a better singer. Also FYI, there are no more than 5 hoshiyomis on /vt/ outside of the general and one of those was sleeping.
Since almost the beginning I said that this was bait >>12710195 but no, a retarded faggot decided to keep the thread alive by discussing who's a better singer when those threads always go to shit everytime this is discussed. You are such a retarded faggots.

>>12713625
meds

>>12713625

Welcome to 4chan

>>12713625
how did it go to shit? the last few posts seems pretty good until you reared your fat ugly head here :(

>>12713625
>5 hoshiyomis
But spammeryomi retired

>>12703475
She’s amazing, not the absolute best but she’ll get there, there are quite a few amazing vsingers are well.
People will be contrarians because she’s “mainstream” for being in Hololive, you know how musicfags are, they only like obscure shit and think anything popular is bad.

post your favourite suisei or indie songs/covers then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAOQWC7Hn9E

>>12713694
You want discussions? Go to the vsingers thread, don't use fucking bait. Let this thread die.

>>12714070
Said the bumper

>>12713890
Hah, my favorite Suisei cover is better than your favorite cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl-ubL8zPo4

>>12713625
should've stayed asleep dumbnigger

>>12709849
Is this a "please recommend me good vsinger songs" shill thread now?

>>12714865
Giving the fact that you bump it just to say that, probably.

>>12714219
Fuck off falseflagger, my favourite Suisei cover is better
https://youtu.be/aga5SolrMEI
>>12713890
Not indie but
https://youtu.be/xHcHoqBhFz0

Isekai Joucho best vsinger
https://youtu.be/l-M_rROTTUg

>>12710840
moona blows this out of the fucking water, Gura is nice voice and a vibrato and that's all

>still taking this thread seriously

>>12715285
>taking the replies to this thread seriously

>>12715285
there's genuinely no point in these because no matter how many well-intentioned anons arrive to try and turn these into reasonable discussions about vsingers, music recs and singing technique and comparisons, these always end up devolving back into shitflinging tribalism anyway where they're just like "[oshi] is a better than your shitter bitch" and anons on this board are terrible at not taking bait.

>>12715528
People who are curious about singing will actually go to VSinger threads, and ones who want to watch purely Suisei will discuss in general. Simple as. The ones who post here are either dramafags or sagers.

>>12714989
>Fuck off falseflagger
I was being ironic and was making fun of the people who were trying to pit each others' songs as better anon.

>>12715631
>purely Suisei
replace suisei with pretty much any top singing holo according to popular opinion (suisei, gura, risu, sora, towa, okayu, etc) because it's not just suisei and gura that gets dragged into these, but otherwise yes, agreee completely.

>>12715776
I was being ironic too, checkmate!

>>12715820
touche

>>12703475
no

>>12715804
Nah, comparing others with Suisei is a thing since /jp/, and it was a lot worse before, but thins down when people figure him out and because /vt/ exist so he have to jump between here and /jp/. Gura baits aren't about her singing only, she is a good bait because of her numbers. Your oshi have a 3D live stream? LOL GURA HAVE MORE LIVE VIEWERS. Your oshi have an outfit reveal? WTF 20K VIEWERS ONLY GURA SCUFFED OUTFIT HAD MORE VIEWERS. Im not discrediting her singing ability but Gura can literally stream Minesweeper and still get 10k viewers live at minimum, so theres no need to be insecure when peolle bait your oshi against her using numbers.

>>12716419

>>12712552
If she was a top tier singer she wouldn’t be in Hololive.

>>12717465
She already had 6k subs with 100 average viewers as an indie back even when vtubing was still a niche. She didnt join Hololive because she was desperate, she joins Hololive because she wants more and knows being under a corporate is easier. AFAIK the only other idol vtubing company back then is .LIVE

>>12717578
Anon I’m saying she wouldn’t be a vtuber at all.

>>12717660
How do you think the normalfag entertainment industry works, anon?

>>12717578
She literally said she joined hololive 'cause she was desperate. She said she would've ended her career if Cover said "no" the second time she begged them to let her in and retain her her avatar. I like the comet but stop changing history.

>>12717660
There are a number of good singers among vtubers though? Plus if I remembered correctly she didnt aim to be just a singer, but an idol singer, but got rejected. We could assume her singing or looks are what got her rejected to make a point for schizos, but I think its because at worst she refused to suck producer's dick and at best they got turned off by her horrible dancing.

>>12717777
Yeah she is desperate because unlike most indies who do it for fun she do for it career purposes. I'm just refuting his argument of she wouldn't join Hololive if she can sing

>>12717847
I think it’s her dancing, suisei is beautiful (everyone in hololive agrees)

>completely unrelated topic

>>12718350
>caring about being on topic on a bait thread

>>12712432
Maybe good for vtuber standards, but that dude sounds strained and nasal. Next time don't shitpost with your husbando.

>>12718871
I care about a bait thread being bumped by idiots

Go watch her vocaloid utawaku today and give me your opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msWuBXmNDbA

>>12717847
>>12718141
It's not even necessarily her dancing. All of the big agencies (the ones she was trying to join) have a literally endless supply of cute girls that are just disposable and interchangeable parts to them. If you don't have an "in," then your chances of making it are extremely low regardless of how good you are.
Also, about this specifically
>suisei is beautiful (everyone in hololive agrees)
I'm pretty sure she's beautiful too, but I'm also 90% sure Suisei is one of those girls who's essentially a distaff Clark Kent: a chick who seems like an unobtrusive wallflower until she changes her clothes and demeanor to reveal that she's actually a hot chick.
Her hobbies, her past activities, what she's said about herself, and what others have mentioned about meeting her in person (see: what Inotaku said during his collab with her), all point to this.

>>12719781
FYI, /vsinger/ caught her using pitch correction.

>>12719781
She doesn't even sound good in this recording so no point listening any further.

I LOVE IRyS'S SINGING!

Does Suisei actually write her music, or does she only perform them? Lyrics, composition, production.

Is she equivalent to a band that creates an album, or a pop group that might suggest a theme at most but other people have writing credits?

>>12712090
Is that belting for women? I thought the one in Into the Unknown can be called belting, but that one is kinda too "eh" to be called belting

>>12720957
She writes some songs, coincidentally all of those are big hits. She would also want to learn production in the future.

>>12720957
ghost was written by her, she did quite alot of things by herself early on so i wouldn't doubt it if someone said she wrote most/all of her songs. see pieces, stellar stellar

>>12721132
Pieces wasn't written by her actually. Stellar Stellar an Next Color Planet are. I suppose she has a big word on what she wants to sing though.

>>12712712
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAH YOU SICK BASTARDS HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH!!!!

>>12720957
She did the lyrics for Next Color Planet, Ghost, and Stellar Stellar. As far as composition goes, I think the only Holomem excluding Rikka, who's an actual professional musician who has notable skill in that area is Calli, although apparently AZKi has started composing too recently.

>>12703475
i don't give a fuck, objectivity is stupid
i love suisei and her voice is suisex and nothing you say will change my mind

>>12703475
Suisei is a trained vocalist but anyone can be trained. She doesn't have the best voice in hololive because that's up to genetics, not training. Suisei works with good composers though and that's ultimately more important than having the best voice.

>>12703475
No but she is quite good.
Haachama is unironically a better singer when she tries.

>>12721409
What's so funny anon?

>>12721632
Suisei never trained. People want her to train but she just doesn't.

>>12721761
Well okay, relative to the level of effort that's prevalent within Hololive.

>>12709849
>Better singers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvs3t_sgGL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N4bnPBYSGI
>Better original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsMGG4aJ6EI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5RW17PWB8E

>>12721424
Sora composed one of her songs, Aozora no Symphony.

>>12721865
>looked at both channels
>no actual live singing at all

>>12721761
Suisei's been taking vocal lessons since last year.

>>12721713
The other anon was comparing two vsingers with a massive, serious handicap on one side. It's comically bad that I had to laugh

>>12722155
>Changing goalposts to live singing
Also you clearly didn't look very hard since Vesperbell has done a live before https://youtu.be/abCyhFg1xRc?t=1841

>>12722440
https://www.bilibili.com/s/video/BV1dU4y1H7ND
Not that you'll watch it but here's their full live concert.

>>12711266
Based Selen.

>>12722278
She thought about taking voice lessons. She did it one time and she didn't like it, unless I'm mistaken. What she was doing this year is dancing lessons

>>12720422
Like live singing with it? that's some advanced shit

>>12722785
is it? feels like half the girls mention turning on shit like reverb during their karaoke

>>12722918
Oy, reverb versus live pitch correction that matches the chords of a song live is like comparing a wagon and an electric car

tell your shit apex playing dracoon to cover TWGOK NOW!

>>12711803
Thanks for the pasta.
I bet the difference between Lemon and Baka Mitai is because Lemon is a normie meme song, meaning it's sung popularly and she's following trends because she is a people-conformer, meanwhile Baka Mitai is a weeb meme song and she actually enjoyed singing it. Hence, she put more practice into it. It's a bit of an unfair assessment, but yeah, there's definitely a practice difference between the two.
But,
I think she practice quite a lot for her karaoke streams. Especially for her public ones. And the songs she sang are actually those she haven't really ever tried before. Because she wanted something fresh on the table, and polished enough to pass her standards to present to everyone, especially her shrimps.

>>12711967
Your ape brain cannot process it.

>>12722918
reverb and live pitch correction could not be any more different and less directly comparable

>>12722785
>>12722918
This is the post from /vsinger/ about it. Apparently it was when Suzuka was singing Dry Flower
>The most noticeable part is at 56:45, where she goes full Steven Hawking (link: https://youtu.be/K7mSCquoMmg?t=3394)) but you can hear traces of it throughout the whole song. The reason it sounds strange in a bunch of parts even if you're not really paying attention is because she's enunciating in a way to try and avoid the robotic sound you get from snapping on pitch with automatic pitch correction turned on when sliding between notes.

>>12722667
There must be a vocal teacher who is willing to wake up at 5a.m. and go home at 12 p.m. right?