/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Did my second stream today.

I probably sound autistic. But was fun. Hoping to get an hour in almost every day for awhile until I have more concrete plans.

>>12483692
You get used to it! You probably didn't sound autistic but its easy to think that way when you're starting out.
Do you have a link?

>>12483692
link us my man

>>12483692
Drop that link

Ayo homeboy... why donchu tell me yo' current short term and long term goal?

You DO have goals? Donchu, holms? Not having multiple reasonable yet optimistic goals is loco...

I have said basically nothing to anybody and my model is being made now. The sketch is basically finalized and I'm sorta scared as I did this to force myself to do new things and it's working.
I like the artist but I've made a bunch of silly choices.

>>12490350
Oh I've got some goals, carnal. My short term goal isn't really like a vtuber thing bro, I'm trying to go back to college as an adult and shit. Trying to like make something of my life by getting some skills and a degree, you know? So I'm like dealing with the application process right now; you know how it is. My long term goal is like debuting as a streamer by next summer or something. I'm going through some major upheavals in my living situation right now bro and I'd like to have a new routine established before I like embark on my streaming venture, you feel me?

So, any aspies who got past 1st stage of vshojo?

>>12483590
Phase Connect Generation 2 (deadline 10/31)
Anon what day is it?

>>12494761
my bad. ive just been trying to remake the threads whenever i see that it dies as i enjoy the conversation these threads bring, i'll reread more carefully next time

>>12495543
>>12495808

Food for inspiration I guess.

>>12495859
too much effort for not much views

>>12495859
Someone link them all the Christmas carols Bloom recorded on stream yesterday

>>12495859
Isn't that more or less Abigail but without the actual irl nun part

>>12493484
Yes.

>>12490350
Feel dumb admitting this but my goal is to be a Mama / mkre of a driving force behind a vtuber. I enjoy streaming a lot but I enjoy seeing people get excited about things I make for them more

>>12501710
That's great, though! What kinds of things do you make?

>>12418488 Thoughts?

What is the average stats for getting partner on Twitch? It seems like a lot of people are getting there, but follower count, model quality, and time since start of streaming tend to vary a lot.
Does partner even really matter or have any big benefits other than bragging rights?

>>12490350
Short term: Reducing dead air
Long term: Having a small community with regulars and in-jokes, getting rid of my accent, having 100 viewers

>>12502970
I like jumping between character design, illustrations and animation. I worked on a few shows after college so I got pretty good at style jumping. Related is a few days work at my own chuuba assets. This type of thing I guess.

I just think making vtuber kids and making fun animations or art for them would be fulfilling. I like seeing people excited and happy...

>>12504526
that looks great anon

My pc is about 8+ years old, 8 gb ram, windows 7, etc, etc. processor is ok for a older computer but the rest is just middle of the line.

I want to build a new computer really bad but haven't been able to find a graphics card that i don't have to go through a whole process for.

Do you think I'd be able to stream simple computer games (Into the breach, etc.), snes emulation, and stream from my switch and ps2 if my internet is alright? Probably would just do pngtubing with veadotube rather than a Live2d thing

I can afford a prebuilt but they're expensive and I'd prefer to customize one for music production (another hobby)

>>12504634
>windows 7
>stream
anon...

>>12504634
This may be my inner /g/entooman speaking, but i feel compelled to say running Linux could give you some more overhead

>>12503431
There's three main benefits I've seen people acknowledge:

1 - Actual support from support team
2 - Priority on transcoding
3 - more emote slots (this is the only one I see people hype)

There's also the potential to negotiate a more favourable split on subs, but you need a LOT. I remember someone saying something like ~500 BOUGHT subs (not gifted) for three months. How true that is, I don't know, but it's quite a jump up.

>>12504576
Oh thanks! I used to do lots of old vocaloid MV's on Sai back in the NicoNico days so it's just transitioned to wanting to make Vtuber stuff.

I'm still finalizing her shoulder up design before I do the full model but habe been having a lot of fun with it all. Character design and drawing cute anime girls was always my jam

https://vocaroo.com/1mnj2vejDHIp

>>12504576
Oh thanks! I used to do lots of old vocaloid MV's back in the NicoNico days so it's just transitioned to wanting to make Vtuber stuff.

I'm still finalizing her shoulder up design before I do the full model but have been having a lot of fun with it all. Character design and drawing cute anime girls was always my jam

>>12504868
nta but I'd like to pick your brain a little if you wouldn't mind. I have experience with linux, mostly debian, ubuntu and openSUSE, but it's been years since I've used any of them. I've been using windows 10 for a while now and learned about the "ameliorated edition" not too long ago. Do you have any experience with it and if so, would you recommend it?

>>12505127
Yeah the split can be better if you have enough subs to warrant it. Partner doesn't garuntee a better cut though

>>12504634
My streams struggled with even an i7, 1060 GTX, and 16GB of RAM, but that was with Live2D tracking. Check Mercari for mid tier computers, you can find ones probably better than yours going for $600-800.

>>12490350
Short term: Make money by playing vidya gaems
Long term: Financially stable enough to do dumb and risky shit while not restricting myself to the wants of my audience so I won't stagnate in new ideas and my own personality.

>>12504796
It works for what I need it for, but it is time for an upgrade. I just wish I had done it in 2019.

>>12504868
I don't know enough about linux to know if it would work for me. My main concern would be driver support for a capture card if I am streaming from a console. I assume OBS will work with linux.

>>12506037
Good to know. It sounds like I should upgrade before trying to stream. I could maybe find something a little better but if I'm going to get a new computer I'll probably just pay for what I want rather than try to get something to tide me over. Computers are expensive enough that I don't need extras lying around.

Thanks for the replies, everyone!

On my paypal, my business name is my Twitch channel, and my email is the one I use on my streaming/related accounts. However, it says my
"Business contact name" is my real name. Will donators get the business contact name on their receipts, or is this just for paypal's own legal/tax reasons, and unable to be seen by donators?

As long as i dont quit, I’ll make it, r-right?

>>12506434
Donate $1 to yourself, and check

Quit = no one cares
Stay = make people care
Good luck Anon

Zylphe's stayed for 7 years. When is he gonna make it?

I was picked for a few corpos but I am having a hard time deciding which I want to go through with... Will a company hate me if I decline their offer? I still love them but I don't want to burn any bridges.

>>12506135
>Long term: Financially stable enough to do dumb and risky shit while not restricting myself to the wants of my audience so I won't stagnate in new ideas and my own personality.
this seems backward as fuck. why would you build up a community doing one thing with the plan to branch out and experiment after you've already built a community doing one thing?

>>12507353
Congrats anon!! How exciting!
I don’t think they will hate you as long as you’re professional about it. If you have a favorite just go with that one. If the terms or contract aren’t the greatest just ask if they would be open to negotiation for better terms since you have multiple offers, gives you a little bit of hold over them?

If you could share which companies as well I sure many an anon is curious…

>>12507577
anon is shitposting, disappointed you're taking the bait so easily

>>12507353
Whichever you decline you can simply say after further thought you don't feel like they're the right fit for you but you're very appreciative of the offer and experience. Just be courteous and professional.

Congrats anon!

>>12507594
Not that anon but I turned down a contract after auditions even though I wanted in originally. It happens. Sometimes you see the contract and decide it isn't for you.

>>12507196
sorry, this was for you >>12506858
>>12507219
That's why I said *make* people care.
When an idiot like him has a shit design, barely talks, ignores any criticism and plays games no one cares about, with almost no enthusiasm towards it, why should anyone care?
>>12507353
Congratulations! I'd say pick the one you see with the best potential of not dying or the one you think benefits your goals the most. Good luck in your future endeavors!
>>12507531
I don't plan to branch out from what I've already done but really I want to experiment from what I've already established. Like you pointed out, I don't want to alienate my audience from what I'm known for, but I don't want to stay confined to one thing.

>/qa/ just got burned to the ground
I guess there goes any chance of me getting banned like a retard again and procrastinating making soijaks.

Before I get bogged down with information I don't need, what is the best program for 3d?
From what I've seen, people seem to agree that vseeface is the best one. Is that right?

>>12507696
I’m assuming this was for Prism Project?

I'm a 20view with a low quality avatar. I'm planning to get a new model and do a redebut in several months. My budget will $5000. Besides model, assets, and streaming equipment what should I put my money towards?

>>12508178
Seems like you got all the bases covered, but what's included in streaming equipment?

>>12507642
>>12507861
>>12507577
Thank you for being so kind! I'm not >>12508055 but I got into Prism as well but turned it down. I'm happy about that now.
I was really worried about turning a company down because I'd want to collab with them in the future but I really don't want to give too many details and screw up my chances. You're all so kind and I feel a lot better now!

>>12508233
I already have a high quality mic, pc with good specs, capture card, stream deck, etc. I assume I should get an iphone for tracking since I am using a webcam right now.

>>12508570
>I assume I should get an iphone for tracking since I am using a webcam right now.
do you have a model and rigging that can take advantage of the enhanced tracking?

>>12508570
That's usually the plan, especially if your tracking program uses an iphone. If you need a different program without it though, i'd add in a webcam.

>>12508637
I'm planning on getting a very good rigger, yes. For my model budget I wanted to spend $1000 to $2000 for the flat art and another $1000 for the rigging. I have a list of riggers who have high quality work and seem to be familiar with Vtube Studio.

>>12505561
Heard about it but never tried it, i'd say give it a try without storing anything important on whatever drive it's installed on, just in case
>>12506037
Since your specs are pretty much same as mine (My i7 is the 7700 and the 1060 is a 6GB one), i'm gonna ask, what games did you play?
>>12506263
Understandable, but yes, OBS works well on all supported platforms

>>12508277
Same as me anon! Also relieved I decided against it. Declining contracts happens often for companies for different reasons and as long as you're always respectful and grateful for the opportunity it shouldn't have any effect at all except giving you audition experience.

>>12510490
I hope you get into something else because Prism is a scam and I'm glad you're smart enough to walk away too.

>>12510601
nta, but why?

>>12508055
Sure was. Just wasn't a contract I would have been personally comfortable with is all. Im sure it's still a great opportunity for those who did take it but it wasn't for me.

With the amount of people I’m hearing that walked away from Prism offers I probably will not be applying for them again in the future

Guessing based on audition closure times that the other anon(s?) may have gotten into Cyberlive, which is a great company from the sound of it, so excited to see gen2!

As for Phase-hopefuls, it looks like Sakana is in the interview phase (which he said will go into next week) so we may hear about aspies who get into PC soonish too

Congrats those who are getting interviewed/getting contracts!

>>12510607
I turned it down and I'm sure the other anon who did the same can vouch their own possibly similar reasons if we saw the same offer.

There are a lot more clauses for certain games as well as content permissions, which is to be expected but some of it was just not the type of streams or content would have been comfortable or enjoyed making. Creative control is restricted in comparison to some other contracts I've heard of in the industry and in particular in comparison to some other indicorpos.

The offered management support is lacking to say the least and the contractual cut was, for that exact fact, more than I would be comfortable with accepting.

Unrelated to the offer but between auditioning and interviews I learned of the 30k membership gating and didn't want to play horse chases a carrot in such a way unless the % cut of merch and donos was stellar.

Not trying to shade to those who took it but it was just simply not for me.

>>12510941
Damn, sounds awful, you dodged a bullet there

>>12510941
That would be a no from me too
Good on you

>>12510941
I can see why you turned that down, sounds pretty restrictive.

>>12510941
>contractual cut was,
Was it more or less than 30 percent?

>>12510941
We had the same offer but they mostly refused to give me more details which turned me off.

>>12510784
Honestly I just have a hard time justifying smaller corps. Their views are basically the same as an indie, but with more restrictions and bullshit, with seemingly no support or benefit other than a "group"

>>12512469
Is there even any small corp worth signing with? seems like none really give a buff in views and just take a cut in profit

>>12512516
Merch, help with covers and mixing and music production and marketing in general. Smaller corps are just starting so it's more about waiting for the long term.

>>12512584
>Merch, help with covers and mixing and music production and marketing in general
Marketing maybe a little, but merch and covers are a no. Every small corp makes the talents pay for all the covers. And merch is done on a preorder basis like indies do, ie no investment

>>12512584
but anon you can make your own merch with less hassle and more of a cut. as for the music production that makes sense. I dont buy the marketing much unless its with someone like Niji or Holo whose name alone would you give a huge sub boost

>>12512469
Biggest benefit seems predone networking, but if you're at the point where they'll aceept you, you most likely know how to network by yourself anyway

>>12512516
I'd say depends, if you're a literally nobody (like most of them) tsunderia might be worth it just for the partnerships with other members. A lot of the other members are helpful girls and are skilled in various fields so you could get some benefits out of working with them you wouldn't get just by knowing them.

>>12512372
I was admittedly rather adamant and thankfully know my way around contracts. Was pretty direct and upfront about certain things. That is a little worrying they weren't as forthcoming with you though. I do hope that the girls who did sign were aware of everything before signing. Good luck on your continued journey though!

>>12512340
It was close to 50/50 than I was comfortable with is as specific I'll get number wise sorry anon..

>>12513012
>It was close to 50/50 than I was comfortable with is as specific I'll get number wise sorry anon..
Holy shit what a scam

even your thread mother Terumi left small indie corps, why do you /asp/ies give so much of a shit about corps? they're all black companies in the end.

>inb4 but tsunderia
you didn't make it past tsunderia auditions

>>12513192
Its friendfags, corps are basically mandated friendship.

>>12512516
Hypothetically speaking, I feel like the biggest draw for me would be to get in and get to know some people. Artists, songwriters, people making merch, etc. I'd work the contracted period and then nope the fuck out on renewing, walk away on "good terms" and go from there cause holy shit these contracts sound like absolute ass. If they're gonna pump and dump for you cash might as well pump and dump them for networking and getting your 'name' out there. Maybe that'll change in the future if these companies get larger and/or take their heads outta their assholes and realize they aren't gonna be making it huge and focus on supporting what they have but I wouldn't be willing to risk that level of investment as a talent without some sort of work being put in now.
>>12513012
They better be a clause in their contract that they'll carry you up Mt. Everest for that level of bullshit split.
Fuck...Youtube takes enough as it is.

>>12512516
>seems like none really give a buff in views and just take a cut in profit
They literally all give a buff in views. I'm not aware of anyone that was bigger before they joined a group, indie or otherwise.

>>12512625
Miori’s mentioned Tsunderia paying for cover production before I believe

>>12513813
Mostly because anyone bigger isn't bothering.
Its not a debuff, but its hard to say any chuuba would have been smaller without the corp. For reference I checked a few mins ago and meru had 30 viewers on twitch. (60 now)
that's on the level of people who self-post in /wvt/

>pop into Pina's stream
>that laugh gives me a chub
>just like Luto's
Fuuuuuuck....

>>12513979
I mean no offense to Meru, and also Meno from prism who has similar numbers, but I doubt they'd be getting those views outside of a corpo

>>12514377
Not with that voice they wouldnt

I want to start streaming but I'm not attractive enough to stream as myself and I figure it could be neat to have an avatar to stream with. I suck at art and I don't really want to put a whole lot of money into commissioning someone. Is there anything I can do by myself or is it more like "spend a fuck load of time getting good at art and rigging" or just commission someone?

>>12515731
scribble a placeholder avatar and just get started streaming, you can figure that shit out later.

working on my model :D

>>12504634
If you can afford to invest in a live2d model and rigging you can afford to spend a few thousand on a new computer too.
It'll take a month or two for the model to be drawn so you should have time to save some money even if your rent is insanely high.

>>12515731
yea unless you have a fuck ton of money lying around you're better off starting as a pngtuber. if you can't draw at all, you could always find some cheap commissions on skeb.

>>12513979
>its hard to say any chuuba would have been smaller without the corp
Pippa gets more viewers than she does on her main by over twice as much, Lumi has ten times as much, even before the boost from OTV people Tenma had half. Aside from advertising and whatnot, orgs with even mediocre management provide more structure and guidance than most indies will get solo. It's not even a matter of effort, most just don't even know where to start. Do you think any of the chuubas who have been integrating themselves into the smaller corps' networks would care nearly as much? Many of them are (successful) Hololarpers that have more uniform corporate style content as well. I'm not defending Prism specifically, but people seem to really underestimate what they're able to bring to the table

>>12516050
Looks skanky.
I'm all for slutty but it's not for me.
Guess you're going for the goth gf crowd.

>>12516050
Also
https://voca.ro/14l5byi2C4CC
I really want my normal voice to match the character so I don't have to constantly strain it haha

>>12516325
she's kinda supposed to be a sort of 2010's era deviantart looking person, so i guess goth gf crowd it is B)

>>12516389
it's really static and sounds like a webcam mic. i'm too smoothbrain to know what's going on there, but use filters or something to make it sound less bad. your voice itself is fine, but it sounds like your mic is really cheap and hurting the overall sound quality.

>>12513192
You would had if you were Asian

>>12516464
sadly it is a cheap mic, it's one of those razer cat ear headphones i've had for ages. when i get into vtubing i'm gonna put in the money for a good mic

>>12516294
>skeb
I've never heard of it before but it seems neat. Is it generally better than fiverr?

also cringe ass risky question but are there uh
furry vtubers? now before you say to go kms i wanna know-
is that an untapped market? would it work? or would i be laughed off the face of the planet lolol

The best small corps are CL and PC so congrats to the anons who got in! Say hi to lumi for me

>>12517752
There are plenty

>>12510941
You did good really. In terms of freedom and support to give I'd do a quick ranking.

Western based with utter freedom and low cuts
Phase
Cyberlive

Western based with freedom but pretty high cuts
Tsunderia

Japanese based with no freedom and high cuts
Kawaii
Prism

People should be smart to avoid Kawaii and Prism, they're the worst ones right now based off the vtubers I talked with who are either in the companies or saw the contracts or from talking amongst themselves. You really did good by declining.

I got into vshojo round two and I haven’t been streaming at all, I just sent them some fandub voice overs and shot my shot. Does that mean they’d make me a model? Will I have to buy one if I get in?

>>12517902
What are the phase connect cuts like?

>>12514377
I like Meru when she's not being a Meruhera

>>12518364
It's not as high as 50% that's for sure. They are currently inclining and Kevin has straight up bought their talents new computers, microphones and anything they needed so they're super generous as well. Definitely a good one to work for compared to the other stingier ones. For Cyberlive I hear that the company funds their costumes, 3D, bought Lumi a new PC recently so they arent far behind either.

Kinda bummed I failed Phase Connect of all places. Maybe gen3 if they don't collapse before then

>>12516389
Sounds good but like >>12516464 said, mic hurts sound quality too much, wouldn't feel out of place with the model but imo it looks too much like Nyanners and Froot combined, not sure if intentional

>>12516389
I like it! you have a cute high energy but nervous voice for you. I think it'll fit your design well too. Your design looks good too but there's too many demon type vtubers there so it's hard for you to stand out, since you're in the design process are you sure you want to go full speed into this one or brainstorm up a more unique concept?

>>12517752
There are, general consensus is don't do it if you're not a furry, you'll hate yourself and your fanbase, go ahead if you are, there's enough market untapped for new people

Am I fucked if I'm male and have a shitty voice?

>>12520014
you are fucked even if you are female if you have a shitty voice

Go be a facestreamer this aint for you

>>12520014
it's very hard for males to have a voice so bad they get debuffed. Post a vocaroo.

>>12520014
this is the kind of shit that should be included in the FAQ. the answer is no. your content will determine whether you make it or not.

>>12520661
>your content will determine whether you make it or not.
The content of any big vtuber is like 90% reaction videos. Content never mattered, it is all connections, model and voice.
That nigga is fucked don't give him false hope.

>>12518859
Just because they’re a small new company doesn’t mean their standards are lower. Remember Sakana said he had over 200 applications and that was at the beginning of October. Just keep doing your portfolio/streaming reps!

>>12520780
>it is all connections, model and voice.
which is why Merryweather is doing so extravagantly well. oh wait.

>>12520915
>past life fame

Well if he is Dr. Disrespect by all means go ahead.

>>12521024
>connections matter unless it was from >past life fame
jesus christ the goalposts are moving fast tonight

>>12517835
CL sucks lmao, they can't even organise professional interviews, when I talked to their manager (I hope they kicked her), she was fucking whispering like she was hiding from her parents
I'm glad I refused their contract in the end

>>12521607
This is why you don't deserve it you fucking asshole.

>>12521784
XD

>>12521866
Did you get into any other companies? I don't want to pretend to get along with someone like you

>>12521607
You sound like a douche

jesus christ stop taking the fucking bait

I don't know too much about the corporate space, when auditioning, do you always have to go with whatever character they give you? Or is there some freedom? Do they also take in already operating VTubers?

>>12522189
that depends on whether the corp has character designs and ideas in mind, like Nijisanji did with their female models, or if they're leaving it up in the air until after the auditions like Nijisanji en males.

>>12522189
Depends. Some, likeTsunderia, let you create your own design. You have to audition for existing models in other corpos, like Prism or niji.

>>12522189
So far the only ones that have adopted already existing chuubas are Tsunderia (Yuuna, but they haven’t done it again for later gens) and VShojo.

I’m assuming companies usually have you leave your past life behind to reduce the yab potential

>>12523010
CyberLive did too (Utano Pandora) but she hadn't streamed yet to my knowledge

>>12523486
Pandora was a predebut vtuber and they got her in. Chances are I wouldnt doubt that Cyberlive would try adopting established vtubers in the future given their free form culture.

>>12523010
Tsunderia also bought out Miori from HoloTV (also their first girl Kana was an indie before she was brought on and then left)
Hololive did it originally, though unlikely to be doing it on the EN side.

I don't think most corps would be against hiring an indie as themselves, but most indies are trying to move up not down so there's rarely a reason to stick to your original

So /asp/ies, how concerned are you about giving away your location? Do you care if people find out where you live or not?

>>12525156
I'm super paranoid about it.

>>12525156
I'm fine with general state or city (its a big city), I do care about my identity coming out though which is why I like vtubing in the first place.

how hard is it to get a model from other streamers like Yuniiho or Neonbeat?

>>12525473
Neonbeat impossible, stated only veibae.
Yuniiho is pretty open, you just need to contact asking

>>12525219
>>12525233
I want to retweet something that got my attention but it could also hint at my location so I'm here wondering if I should do it.

>>12525858
Depends what it is.
Purposefully avoiding something can be just as big of an identifier as ignoring it.

If its something like lead in your water turning frogs gay, just don't.

>>12525908
It's a clip from an upcoming Disney movie.

>>12525473
Neonbeat is fucking basic you can find that style anywhere

>>12525473
2win is better if you ask me.

>>12525156
I don't care if they know my area, since I live in a pretty quiet place with only a few people who know me. Identity is iffy, but as long as it's not well known, or else that takes away from the magic of VTubing. I'm still not going to slack on my OPSEC reps though.

>>12521607
>Tell me you are upset about not getting interviewed without telling me you are upset about not getting interviewed

>>12509247
it's shit.
Better check >>>/g/fwt

>>12490350
I am a simple man
short term: literally just be able to stream consistently about 3 times a week. Then probably find some way to minimize outside noises.
long term: upgrade my setup so I can graduate from being a PNG.

>>12517752
>is that an untapped market?
why not just check? you know there's a tag for vtubers on Twitch, right?

what sort of design should i go for? what sort of vibes does my voice give you? should i go for something cute, or sexy? i'll say a couple quotes and i guess tell me what i should do designwise haha. i can sketch something up pretty quick. i would like to have little devil wings though, i think they're cute :3 but i would also like to stand out, and honestly i don't know enough about/watch enough vtubers to really get a feel about what i should do. i can make my own model, i'm learning live 2d and i've got art programs.
https://voca.ro/19YfSxfmiBAW
https://voca.ro/1fEzIO3QkfNW
https://voca.ro/1kOp19Q1Meqh
https://voca.ro/12FHhg9wqpZs
that's my normal voice but i can also do this
https://voca.ro/1crCKwkX3Rqs
or god forbid:
https://voca.ro/13rtOgMpbu5x
they're all from lisa the painful, its a good game and you should play it

>>12534021
i checked, there were like three furry vtubers out of the ten i saw on the front page when you search for it there. most are the 3d model kind.

>>12534121
also i'm sorry for the dogshit mic ;A; it's on the top of my list for priorities, i can afford one next paycheck

>>12534121
Dont go loli voice because it strains your voice long term, your voice sounds cute enough you can have a sexy model. Whatever you do, dont do a plain devil though, too many of those type of vtubers. Try an angel with a halo with devil wings maybe, that sounds like it fits you. Fallen angel.

>>12534310
Keep looking throughout the day/week, gauge an idea of if there's a market for it or how successful/unsuccessful current ones are, don't just trust the word blindly of random anons.

>>12534413
alright, thank you so much :D is pink, gray, white, and black a good color scheme? they're my favorite colors haha. lemme sketch up some concept art really quick

>>12534498
honestly i'd rather not do furry, even though technically i am one. furries tend to be very uh, how should i put this lightly.... very self centered idealogically? haha sorry, what i mean is that you say something "wrong" and they're after you, and a great part of them are lgbt and i am awful at remembering pronouns, and i've seen people get cancelled by just naming someone wrong. :P too much drama imo. from what i see regular human vtubers have a little more leniency, since they're not under the watchful eye of a bunch of wackos in suits.

Is there another japanese site similar to Skima that sells character designs (adopts)?

If your a pngtuber can you still call yourself a vtuber? What actually makes a vtuber? Do they all have to spend like 30 minutes just tlking about their lives and reading superchats?

>>12536311
Booth.pm
>>12536356
yes. vtuber just means a streamer who uses a virtual avatar instead of a webcam. i don't know what you mean by the last question.

>>12536642
what search terms do I use? skima is kinda easier cause there is a section just for adopts

>>12536356
Vtubers are streamers, streamers talk about quite literally whatever they want.

>>12536356
>Do they all have to spend like 30 minutes just tlking about their lives and reading superchats?
You dont HAVE to, but it's an easy way to have some filler content in-between your gameplay/collabs/singing/whatever the fuck.

I was going to try at some of the auditions that were going since a few months back but I realized that even with some streaming experience I don't really have much going on for me in terms of talent to get into an agency. I can't sing, and saying I'm bad at art is putting it mildly. I'm decent at videogames and can do some small talk but that's about it.

Just another 2view that's ngmi, even as an indie.

>find streamer I really like and want to learn from him
>find out that he retired like a week before I discovered him because he got in the way of a streamer cartel
>barely any of his streams are archived because of this
How do you deal with this? Just use what's available?
Because I can't fathom how he managed to make fake giveaways a recurring joke without him looking as if he was trying to scam people.

>>12507999
Um, academics?

Streamed on Twitch like maybe 2 months ago eating this extremely hot yakisoba and trying a couple japanese candies I ordered with the food. I'm on a small private discord server where we all know each other so some of them joined up for a while and helped me keep at least 10 constant viewers or so which also helped on having a couple random viewers passing by.

It was good, friends told me it was a pretty chill stream but I'm not too sure myself if I managed to be entertaining enough; I feel my personality isn't entertaining enough and I don't know how to change that either.

Also I really want to continue streaming because it was fun all things considered but i'm a procrastinating pos that always says to themselves they're going to start working in making a decent looking UI and learning how to get a hold of alerts and stuff, just to remember it's too much work and proceed to play the vidya for the rest of the day.

Man for someone that likes to shit on DSP and Wings i'm probably even lazier than them, i don't know how to feel about it (´・ω・｀)

>>12540953
Streaming is extremely hardwork, you'll have to actually invest time and effort to make it work. Keep it up.
Ironmouse celebrated her 3rd year anni with like 100 viewers and look at her now.

>>12536356
Zylphe we know it's you, just unmute your mic and work on your content. Not everyone wants to sit in silence and watch someone else sit in silence.

>>12512469
I wouldn't say that. Lumi from Cyberlive honestly wouldn't have gone anywhere without corpo backing. Her mic was low quality and her model and networking was just okay. Now she has 10k on YouTube and has her name out there.

Just sucks because I think fame changes people. Lumi afaik doesn't give a shit about her friends from her past life and now just focuses on pandering and raising her numbers, but that's expected from corpos.

>>12542900
>Lumi afaik doesn't give a shit about her friends from her past life
she's actively advertised some of their stuff, but being too public could put more eyes on her past identity which she may not want to. You do not know what goes on behind closed doors, not all relationships need to be public.

>>12542931
Haven't seen her advertise her smaller past friends. Talked to someone who used to collaborate with her and they've haven't heard back from her, last time we spoke anyways. Like I said, it's to be expected from someone who gets into an agency though. It's not necessarily wrong but just doesn't sit right with me personally.

I notice on twitch there are some profiles with videos that have like 100 views then on some they have like 10k+ views. I don't browse Twitch so I'm wondering if that's normal or not? This streamer has like 1k viewers but his chat is barely moving https://www.twitch.tv/celerity

>>12529554
they literally just said they got interviewed...

>>12543227
Theres this thing called "legal view botting" where the stream is embedded in a wiki site, so everyone that uses the wiki is considered a viewer. Might be the case here.

>>12540732
You're ngmi because you never tried. Just stop thinking too hard and send in your application.

>>12534121
I'm a big fan of just letting my fingers do the choosing for me. My character design is based on all the things I liked and it turned out pretty well. Just be what you feel is right for you and become the best version of whatever that is. It'll bring out your passion better than focusing on what'll maximize numbers and getting burnt out as a result. Viewers can sense that.

>>12483590
ok I have a very specific request for Anons here.

Some time ago I found a non copy wright free Gondola Vtoober avatar.

I have tried google and tons of different search terms but when ever I piece together the terms "Gondola vtoober avatar" or different things like that I mostly get nothing or real gondolas that have nothing to do with the meme one.

Has any one else seen this? I guess having one made is probably not that hard with the simple shape Gondola has. but if I can find the download for it it would make me very happy and help me get started up.

>>12543337
when that happens the amount of people in the chat are extremely low, we're talking maybe 20% of total viewers. his seems fine so he might just be one of those people viewers just turn on and watch

>>12490350
Goals for 2021
>Hit a 10 CCV average
currently on 8, trending upwards
>Upgrade mic
Done. I want to upgrade again, but I might leave it until I actually need to
>Upgrade model
Done. Started as png, got a vroid due to be finished in the next week
>Start figuring out lioranboard for automated stuff
Not started. Wanted an upgraded model first
>Upgrade alerts, overlays, etc
Partially Done. Alerts from Spooky, Overlay from fiverr, panel headers self-made. It's not a fully consistent style, but I couldn't find overlays that met my aesthetic. I picked one that nearly did, but was on public sale, and I'll commission one in the future.
>3 scheduled streams a week, at least 1 collab a month
Partial. 3 streams is done and easy, but I'm not great at organizing collabs. I'll have done four by the end of November, so need another two to average out okay.

Skeb artists just love drawing my character in a lolita style (or at least young looking), do I just accept my fate at this point? My personality and design are definitely more cutesy than sexy, and I like that, it's just that this was never my intend... I feel like my voice fits the design, just not a more lolita-type character? I hope that makes sense

>>12490350
Short term: Keep myself afloat until I get my 3D model and I can transition from being a PNGTuber
Long Term: Twitch partner, don't burn out

>>12544427
You can add it in the description? Give them refs of your character in the style you want them to draw your character

>>12544471
I thought my references were fine, but I guess my choice of Victorian style clothing and pastel colours doesn't really help.

>>12544691
I mean, if it's happening often enough to be a problem, then your references might not be clear enough?

Personally, I'd maybe consider comming an english speaker artist you can communicate with, to get an updated main reference, then use that for skeb going forward.

>>12525156
Small country so would rather avoid saying it if possible, though i found out i'm not the only /asp/ie from here so that makes me a bit more comfortable if i do end up saying it

this is the vtuber design ive been working on for about a year, shes supposed to be a space monkey. does this look interesting enough?

>>12547145
thick eyebrows.. fuck yes

>>12547145
I like the eyebrows too but I don't think it leans on the spacey aspect enough.

>>12547145
I like it!

thoughts:
1 - I'm not a fan of temporary things being permanently part of your model. The plaster on the knee, in this instance.
2 - Are you wearing skin-coloured leggings, or not wearing trousers? As the belt covers some of the crossover between top and legs, the only way to tell is the plaster, so I guess it might need to stay?
3 - Is the belt only for holding the plush? It doesn't look like it has pockets, and you don't have trousers, so I don't get it?
4 - Moonana is a cool logo. Might need touching up a little to be super specific, but it's cool
5 - The thick socks and shoes make this look very similar to Uraravity.
6 - Lots of people here like bean eyebrows. I don't dislike them, but they'll get attention
7 - I don't understand the name. I'm a filthy ESL, but it looks like you've used Monkey/macaque and Banana/tamarin as roots, and possibly mixed in some Jp, unless you're using multiple sorts of monkeys?

>>12547659
thanks for the input, it means a lot :)
honestly the plaster was never part of her design i just impulsively drew it on her when i was sketching this....lolll
i drew this a few weeks ago have have since changed her shoes, theyre more like crocs now (ill draw a new ref when i get home)
her "belt" type thing is also supposed to hold a blaster/gun i just forgot to draw it hhehhhahaha
her name macaco means monkey in portuguese and the last name was just some random thing i thought up that sounded like banana lolz
thanks thanks thanks thanks for writing so much yaaay

>>12547391
thats what i thought too, i have other ideas for her outfit but i havent drawn references for them, ill do it when i get home and post them here

>>12512469
Not all small corpos are bad.
Phase connect has a millionare CEO who while he does buy a lot for the talents, has no permissions issues, and a lot of freedom, does still do some things the hololive way by locking 3D and outfits. They are the best to jump on by a numbers standpoint and if you are fine with not owning yourself.
CyberLive isn't a millionare seemingly, but they give you full ownership of yourself after 3 months with no buyout. They cover everything including covers, 3D, alternative outfits, etc which they have already done in only a few months. They also promote full creative freedom so operating closer to VShojo with the typical corpo sprinkled in. Both allegedly take lower cuts then the other small corpos, CyberLive being the lowest at 15% Phase being between 25%-40%. Both of them pay for clips, highlights, and social media promotion. Both are worth joining. The other relevant small corpos are PRISM, Kawaii, Tsunderia. Kawaii is a complete no, they don't even have a manager right now. Tsunderia is also awful considering they are stagnating behind all of the other corpos except for Miori and take a 50% cut. PRISM is just hololive but you aren't as well known.

>>12551921
Im starting to believe that Cyberlive has a more savvy CEO than phase right now because the way it operates makes it feel like the CEO is just as rich as Kevin on Phase except he likes to keep himself hidden and out of the process entirely. CL seems to be buying their talents all the things they need for them to grow without any strings attached according to their talents and their focus is to give them all the tools they need to grow.

Did anyone pass Phase?

I was accepted at prism and phase but ultimately signed with phase. I don’t know where the rumour about the cuts come from but honestly both contracts were pretty similar. I chose phase ultimately because there was more flexibility for games.

>>12555950
Larper no one would admit to signing an NDA contract here when they haven't signed on all their talent yet

Or enjoy getting graduated before you debut kek

>>12556018
Think what you want I’ll see you in 2022

>>12556207
At least know what's going on with the company you are larping at anon I beg you.

https://twitter.com/h2osakana/status/1456186143226019842?s=20

>>12483590
I think this anon on my reply below is around so im giving you the advice again in case you miss it, also other anons might need to read it.
So, >>12548043
Legit advice so you can grow: dont reuse the same png and thumbnails, some of your vids if it werent for the title, looked exactly the same before I clicked. Use big expressions on your thumbnails and focus on the theme thats (you) playing the game, not you and the game. Your titles are also too simple, its just (you) plays ep 3,4... Some suggestions:
(your character with a huge yabai face or full of courage, using a link hat and sword in hand)
[YOU] Getting the (item) from the (dungeon)!! | YOU Ch.
Dont forget to properly write the keywords that mention that on your tags and descriptions, and you can win this SEO game

>>12553211
>except he likes to keep himself hidden and out of the process entirely.
This is the biggest thing I hate about PC, I have no idea how much is true and how much is memes but the PC staff is extremely obnoxious and prevalent in chats and streams. and I watch the streams for the streamers, not for the background staff.
sure you get the few ceo memes in every branch but they're the rarity, not a consistent thing constantly popping up every 5 seconds with staff mods constantly posting in chat telling people to stop shit.

The best corpo right now seems like CL

>>12554809
Fishman said they’re still in interview phase which will last into next week so I would expect to start hearing about people who get in within a week or two.

>>12543343
Anon, it's pretty discouraging to hear that Hololive cancelled auditions on their JP side because they couldn't find someone up to their standards, and JP is supposedly more lax with requirements. Can't imagine how it'd be like for EN. Same goes with other corpos in general, Niji is setting their bar up there as well, considering Ethyria.

>>12548043
Watching your streams there's really nothing wrong with you. You got a nice voice, no dead air and you seem to have a pleasant personality. I think if you rebranded as a maletuber on twitch you'll actually be very successful because your years of streaming experience seems to have built you up to be much more competent than other maletubers right now.

>>12547145
op here, i wanted to show another vtuber design i made recently so i drew this up real quick. she doesnt have a name yet and im still coming up with outfit ideas, but im planning on making her a gyaru elf, not too sure about which type of gyaru though.........idk tell me your thoughts maybe this ones better

>>12559085
designs are fine, stop caring so much, your content is more important.

>>12559383
Based retard

>>12559383
for me ive always been pulled in through vtubers models which is why im focusing on this aspect so much, but youre right. ill stop being a perfectionist with the model and focus on what kind of stuff ill do :) i was planning on playing games like tokimeki memorial, the mother series, lisa series, totono, katamari, lbp, etc. and doing karaoke too

>>12559637
>for me ive always been pulled in through vtubers models which is why im focusing on this aspect so much
honestly speaking your art isn't good enough for this to matter. focus on your content you can always get a model upgrade in the future.

What are some things someone about to start questions himself about that are actually not that important but are still there in the background?
I'm starting to think that most of the questions I had for today were of that sort. Like, if it's alright to speak harshly to my viewers or not. I mean, that's something any non-autist could figure out in the moment once he has viewers, right?

>>12559085
>gyaru elf
>light skin
>zero accessories

>>12540953
i'm also a procrastinating pos that always tells myself i'm gonna create overlays and finally figure out alerts and then never do.
I only stream like once a month bc of this but i'm trying to get over it by setting up a schedule to follow and telling myself since i haven't officially "debuted" it doesnt matter if its scuffed

good luck to both of us

im finally graduating from being a babi. i did a week of test streams with a male 3D model I bought off of Booth.pm and customized a bit and had some of my best viewership in months. my regulars really didn't seem to care what I use but im glad i dont suck as bad as i thought and being a babi was just filtering people

>>12561509
Congrats! You're doing the right move.

>>12561509
fucking finally an /asp/ie gets it through their retarded skulls

>>12561790
>>12561651
i mean dont get me wrong ive made some good cash as a babi and my investment was maybe 80 bucks since a friend did the model, so being a babi is what's funding getting an actual custom once i get a design finalized

>>12553211
that's because their ceo doesnt give a shit and is just the manager's boy friend who is funding the girlfriend's passion project - as far as the rrat went. desu i believe the rrat because there were a lot of small details that made too much sense and can't be made up. doesn't change the fact that they do offer the most appealing cuts though - for better or for worse

>>12557026
pretty sure it's just their mods. their staff do not or very rarely show up in streams

what kind of mics or other external equipment do some chuubas use for karaoke? i don't have a bad mic but i'd like to do karaoke at some point and am curious how people get super crystal clear voices + reverb/echo effects

>>12564443
Some of the mods are staff, at least back when I watched them.

>>12557466
Honestly from what it looks like on the surface, CL seems to be offering the most to the talents, making them the most attractive choice. But it also worries me because a lot of what they offer seem too good to be true. If you think about the numbers closely, they DO NOT make any money, they DO NOT have any security for the assets. HOW do they plan on providing support long term? Assuming the new talents are not breakout success with Shiki's tier of growth but with much higher CCV, I do not see how they can continue to provide the support other corpos like Phase can offer in the long term. Unless of course the company invests a lot more money.

>>12564574
AFAIK it was only Electrician and Papagorira, who showed up occasionally around the debut times. I do not see them at all anymore

>>12564586
I think people exaggerate how much it costs to put out a vtuber.

Hypothetically I could create a small corp right now, invest 2k in each girl for a rig and a decent usb mic. And start streaming on twitch, maybe 2k a month in advertisements and shilling on 4chan.

For a 30k investment I could get going all year plus some, even if I got literally nothing in return. For a business that's dirt cheap.

>>12564795
yes, you could. why do you think so many "agencies" have been popping up left and right?

>>12564586
I think they're just looking at this long term and looking to invest in their talents for years to come. Lumi just said her CEO bought her a new PC with a 3080 TI in her stream, no strings attached. Other corpos that dont provide support and take immense cuts seem to me that they have no confidence in supporting their talents long term and is ready to cut and run at anytime with profits compared to Cyberlive now.

>>12564586
i have the same feeling anon. it feels like they did not think this through and the company is being run by a kid. there were some rrats about the manager being underaged and what not. another anon also mentioned about something on the interview where it sounded like the manager was talking quietly as if she was trying to hide from her parents. So i have my doubts about CL too. Also the absurd amount of shilling for the company coming from their talents also is too much and a little sus

>>12564844
Yes, but that's why I don't think its that hard for them to support them like CL is doing, they seem to be playing the long game and support like this is nothing.

That said, I don't like CL is worth getting in on, especially with their early yabs showing questionable ethics. And anyone who has a /here/ vtuber is automatically questionable.

>>12564795
Yea I think you can do that, but when do you think you can get the money back is the question. Also there is the on-going costs like managers, clippers, illustrations and etc. Also factoring in the fact that not all of your chuubas can make it. Look at some of the PRISM G1s, if you end up with 5 of those, and have to pay monthly for a manager on top of that, when do you think you will make the money back?

>>12547145
Anon I think your design is super cute and I hope you stick with her! I'm bad at explaining with words so I did a potato sketch but I think a good way to add the asymmetrical interest you seemed to be going for with the bandage is to have the socks at mismatched heights. Goes with the monkey theme you seem to be going for too! I think it's a fun theme though you could even have the little sandy cheeks helmet...

Please keep at it she is very cute!!

>>12564795
From what I can tell, the cost for the models varies greatly depending on illustrtaor and rigger you pick. For example CL's models cost a lot less than PRISM or Phase Connect's models just based on the artists that designed the models. CL has skeb level artists while PRISM and PC has hololive mamas. I think this also greatly affects follow up costs with new outfits

About CL it's good to be skeptical but honestly I support them because they're the least black company out of all the agencies now. I didnt like them when they first debut but after a few months and looking at how well they treat their talents along with praise coming from the talents itself I'd say they're one of the few legitimate companies that are trying their best to make vtubing better by giving some real support to them.

>>12565197
Lets not forget their debut prostitution rewards for akasupas though.

>>12565318
I think it was one of their talent's idea to do it, Hylo. She seems to be the one who keeps causing yabs with the company that you guys keep mentioning.

I think the safest picks right now are PC and Tsunderia. PC's support seems legit, and their cut just makes sense. CL is too good to be true, combined with their prior yabs and rrats, just good to be a bit skeptical about them. The obvious non stop shilling is a red flag in my eyes. Tsunderia because they have simply been around long enough to prove their system works. PRISM and Kawaii are not a good fit for most of us since they are JP based and come with a lot of restrictions that PC,CL, and Tsun don't have.

>>12565446
when something is too good to be true, it is.

>>12565399
Also Lumi being a /here/ chuuba and heavily pandering to us is also going to be yab

I wish I was a girl

>>12565446
Well CL gen 2 and PC gen 2 will be coming in the next few months. There'll be more time to solidify people's image of them as an agency.

>>12553211
"out of process completely"

How is this a good thing? Usually when people do that, they are all for numbers/results. Based on the current cut and promises that CL makes. The numbers for the business will definitely NOT look good. Either way you have a super unengaged CEO who doesn't care. or you have a CEO who will look at numbers down the road and more likely to pull the plugs. Not really looking good either way if you think about it. Only other scenario is a passion project or funding it for the girl friend manager like the rrat suggests - in which case get in while you can and milk them hard

>>12516389
What kind of content will you be making?

>>12565641
Question. Why do you and a few others here seem to believe the rrat about the owner and manager being underaged?
When looking through the archives the same rrat also seems to have explained that they sold their assets to another company and have washed their hands of the matter entirely almost a year ago by now. The new company that was build from it seems to be a completely different entity than the ones mentioned from the rrat.

i liked it better when /asp/ was about growing as an indie vtuber instead of chasing black companies that don't even do much to help you grow

CL seems to have good policies and the "too good to be true" part might be because many companies don't really care about their talents. However, I do think CL is pushing things too quickly with new outfits and 3D. Hylo also had a shitty stream before so it seems like they don't have much quality control. Lumi shines the brightest for a reason and she was probably gifted a new PC for free because she caused the most buzz.

>>12565769
There were a lot of details to the rrat that makes it too real to be just a rrat. Somewhere along the way that CL was simply a rebrand of the previous one, so the management staff involved were the same people. But that's besides the point now.

>>12565446
Tsunderia's biggest problem imo is mismanagement, not necessarily bad or malicious but they don't seem to know where they're going or what they're doing, and the talents don't seem to be getting the advice or heavily worded suggestions they probably should be.
Also even in their own words, they're picking people based on 'hope' rather than talent, which is nice in an ideal world but in a lot of ways they're really hurting for actual hard talent. They have Miori, but she has some filters of her own and she can't carry the entire group.
They really need a stand out talent, but they don't seem to be willing to go out and get it or try to actively groom any of their talents into becoming that.

As a prospective talent that might have an appeal, but in many ways going for a corp is because you're expecting more structure and management. I actually WANT more restrictions rather than just being thrown in the open ocean to do whatever i want. I want some asshole manager to tell me I suck at singing and to pressure me into doing things.

>>12566016
I'm a business student so I have a habit of looking at it from a business's perspective. Some of the things they are offering do not make business sense but are extremely good for the talents. As a result of that I have my doubts on how long they can keep doing it or if they choose to back out half way or make false promises.

>>12566435
I feel the same somtimes! I WANT to be wrangled in some way if I join a corpo.

Any info about small corpo CEO? Picrel is kawaii's

>>12566435
Tsunderia's problem is that they wasted their year and half lead on everyone else trying to be fixed as a company. Urara really did carry her company and did everything she could to make Tsunderia profitable but it seems they have a family vibe and have trouble pushing their talents to grow and become better. Orla and Hanabi are sitting at only 5k despite months of streaming. Miori joined only as an accident because the company helped negotiate buying her model off myholotv and she's absolutely been carrying them. Yuuna is also amazing too. However for the rest they're essentially just not being pushed into streaming very often or they keep having their breakout talents leave due to internal issues.

We have no clue how they're gonna handle their new gen but looking at Orla and Hanabi, I dont think they're gonna be able push them hard enough to grow. They're just gonna have to do it themselves and we'll have to see how well that's gonna go.

>>12566577
Prism and Phase's CEO are extremely rich. Prism's CEO sold a company startup for millions. Phase's CEO has been running a lot of businesses for a while now. (they failed though according to him) CL's CEO is unknown but rich.

Kawaii's CEO seems to be incompetent based off the words of the talents and manager and overworked the only employee that they left. Tsunderia's CEO is also incompetent but hired Urara to help run and fix everything. Urara deserves all the praise for turning the company around.

PC's Kevin has a LinkedIn profile if you look hard enough

>>12566764
Yeah.
Its a shame because I do like them, and Char and Urara are both great while doubling as managers.
But they just let Tsunderia languish and it lost all momentum.

I really hope they find their momentum because I really like them as a group.

JWU, what are the best small corpos right now?

>>12567383
myholotv

>>12565818
It'll probably be that way until the whole audition season wraps up. And once NijiEN wave 4 debuts, we'll go back into the timeloop about male vtubers with a new influx of people chasing dollar signs
Not that I can really talk, I've only been streaming once or twice a month to some friends, while stuck in the position of "an irl friend offered to make a png for me but it's been months with nothing to show and it's too awkward to tell them to drop it"

>>12567509
>while stuck in the position of "an irl friend offered to make a png for me but it's been months
do you want to be a chuuba or just using this as an excuse to postpone?

Is there any demand for people to "manager larp"? I originally wanted to be a chuuba but it ended up not being for me but I then decided to try to get better at managerial skills and assist people with what I learned analyzing streams, metrics, and trends for the past year. There's a lot of problems with this though, people will think you're a groomer or don't trust you enough to listen to you, etc.

>>12567613
I want to do it, and I'm tired of waiting on someone else's whims, when I've already procrastinated enough on my own. It's just harder to suck it up and say "I'm going elsewhere for what I need done" when it's someone you know personally, but nothing's getting done at this rate and it frustrates the hell out of me. I'd rather try and fail with something I may not be 100% happy with than just not do anything at all

>>12567940
are you basically saying that you're offering advice for chuubas?

>>12568904
More in-depth than just stray advice, consistently checking up and actually planning out how to grow and discuss "strategy" or approaches to growth. Just attempt to be more objective with it.

>>12569891
i'd be interested if you have something to back up your talents because there are plenty of manager larpers in /wvt/

>>12569891
What youre looking for then is video SEO for Vtubers and honestly everybody needs these. Many have garbo tags, descriptions and most indies make polluted thumbnails that attract nobody. Like a vidiq for Vtubers, you can try that by learning video marketing

>>12570090
This is the unfortunate part, I can't reveal who I helped in the past (I can say one went from 30-130 in the year I helped them (super special case) and a few others were able to get more headway and direction and start moving vertically more consistently from my help). It's real "just trust me bro" and sounds like bullshit I know.
>>12570270
That's one aspect of it, tagging and knowing how to name your content and even things like video length is really important information that not many people know about. There's a lot of depth about YouTube algorithm and the like.

>>12570893
What else do you do?
I found myself inadvertently trying to help an indie vtuber grow because they told me to help manage them. So far i've been watching youtube videos, trying to get them to improve their content and to try to jump onto memes and other shorts to get their numbers up. Im learning from these threads and im seeing a clear increase in their numbers since I started helping out but I wish to know more and to help them out better.

>>12565399
hi, that was actually lumis idea

>>12551921
Cyber is awful and it's a 25% cut

>>12564871
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202105310413 here's cybers CEO

>>12573310
What can be found out from this?

>>12570893
>It's real "just trust me bro" and sounds like bullshit I know.
is there anything you can say or do, like show some numbers and stats to support your claims? because there have been plenty of larpers that have come here talking about how they can give advice or write up a pdf about various topics and none of them have ever manifested.

>>12573310
I looked it up elsewhere and it said that he is 22 years old...

>>12574277
the CEOs of vtuber agencies just coasting off crypto money thing wasn't a rrat, anon.

>>12574319
I'm sure in CL's case it's boyfriend's mom's money. So either mom stops giving money, or the relationship becomes unstable, CL is going to lose its funding

>>12574319
PRISM CEO sold previous company for money
PC CEO has side businesses that make money
Kawaii CEO used to work for sizable companies and maybe saved up money? And potentially still working?
CL CEO has parent's money

Is CL worth joining?

>>12574277
don't forget that 22 year old CEO is dating the 17-18 year old manager

>>12565518
There's nothing yab about being /here/ anon, no one cares. You're not magically banished from the land just for going to 4chan. No one has had opportunities hurt by this, hell, everyone knows Krimbo is /here/ at this point and he routinely makes it onto Taka's show.

>>12574752
I heard from one of their ex gen 2 members who quit that there's only 1 manager who is like 17 and CEO isn't even involved, she just asks for money and gives it but she ignores pretty much all the talents dms and blames mental illness

>>12564935
>anyone who has a /here/ vtuber is automatically questionable
Holo and Niji, Anon-chama...

You know there seems to be a Cyberlive anti here spreading nonstop rrats about the company with no basis whatsoever.
You must really have a hateboner for them for some reason. At least provide some evidence for your arguments instead of flatout saying bullshit.

>>12574911
veibae already black listed lumi because she did impressions of her on divegrass, she's also been having some big fuckups /here/ lately

>>12575004
Do your archive reps anon the evidence is all there under Yunity

>>12575050
>Veibitch
Only vshitshow that worth collabing are Ironmouse and Melody. Lumi's not missing on anything.
That aside, Selen, Pomu, Risu, almost confirmed Amelia, Calli have at least dipped their toes around /here/.

>>12575338
Sorry I did my reps, there still isnt any evidence that links cyberlive and yunity beyond a few rrats during their debut at the time.

Also their manager already debuted as a vtuber as we know that she's in her late 20s.

>>12575512
You watched the debut?? And you STILL think she's in late 20s? That debut cannot be a more obvious clue that the manager is super young. If I didn't believe the rrats before, after that debut I do, at least for the age part. I mean she is 18 now probably, but just younger in general, and matches the rrat.

>>12575512
her game taste screamed early 2000's kid

>>12574752
Yes if you are in it for the short term gains. But really there is no guarantee either. Like other small corpos they cannot guarantee out-of-the-gate success. I think the only thing you have to gain is a free model that's drawn by not-so-well-known artists that you can take with you if you leave? For long term considerations, probably not the best choice like a lot of the annons are saying. There is a clear (although not confirmed, but quite obvious) a black list going on amongst all the corpos towards cyberlive. The only inter-corpo collab that happened with cyberlive was a one-off Phase Connect collab with Pippa, who collaborated with Lumi and another gen member. I have a feeling that collab happened because of the heavy /here/ connection between the two.

>>12575966
>There is a clear (although not confirmed, but quite obvious) a black list going on amongst all the corpos towards cyberlive
I want to learn about this rrat, dubsman. Why would CL be blacklisted? Putting the veibitch thing with Lumi aside.

>>12576560
I don't know but I believe it could be because of the plagiarism they were doing around the debut? It's a pretty serious thing for content creators and I can imagine for corporations. I think there was some yab about their debut trailer being a copy of Vshojo and a post on twitter someone being a complete copy of one of PRISM's post? Combined with all the corpo rrats happening at that time, not surprised other corpos want to get away from them. Real reason not confirmed

>>12576990
They also got blacklisted by tsunderia for copying their website but cyber manager did damage control and blamed it all on a tweet Hylo made about ria

>>12576990
I vaguely remember a trailer comparison going around Twitter but I didn't pay attention to it.
>>12577252
Now this is bad.

After getting my m*le design and looking at artists, I realized that I didn't view many artists that draw m*les. Lets say its a fascinating experience going down the rabbit hole of artists that draw m*les. (jp ones)

>>12577252
didn't they also force Hylo to make a twitlonger about the VShojo trailer thing while the company gave some half assed response on their Twitter?

>>12577697
How did you find your artist? I've been looking around for a male artist and it's to find one that's good at drawing males that arent too expensive either.

>>12577738
Link to the Twitter post about their response?
I've seen the Hylo response already.

I want some design help. What do (YOU) think makes a good design

>>12574932
Coming here isn't the same as being a /here/ chuuba.
I'm talking people who specifically self-post and pander to /here/

>>12577738
Yes, I think they attempted to blame it on the video contractor. Something about showing them a reference material - Vshojo trailer, and the contractor ended up "referencing" it too literally and gave them the finished product 1 day before the premier date. The whole excuse was pretty bogus to me. Why was there no quality control? Why was there no last minute review? If reviewed and notice problem, why still premier? Many many questionable things IF you even believe their excuse. If not then they just thought copying was okay and didn't anticipate people picking up on it. I think this is why some of the corpos black listed them. It's a very big no-no for content creators.

>>12578006
I think it really is colors and detail. Keep the color palette limited (3-4 colors) and add lots of small details. Some simple designs can be good, but generally you will perform best will a design that is detailed. It also needs to just be a pleasing color palette. I think pinkypurin is the best example of this

>>12577738
To be fair I can excuse the trailer because they hired someone else to do it, and the person they hired was the one that plagiarized and they just didn't do a background check. While it was a mistake its not something they can be solely held accountable for.

Have I missed the train for asking for 2view advice this thread? I've been doing my streaming reps, but I just wanted to see if anyone would give some advice on what I could work on

>>12577820
Through skeb. I saw that they designed a character for someone on skeb and thought I'd do it too, but commissioned them off skeb so that if I want changes to be made I can request them. I DM'd them on twitter and asked if they'd design a character for me and gave me their prices.

>>12578361
How much did you pay for it, if you dont mind me asking?

>>12578291
https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1406662881970634758?t=9Om6RSkwYOodIh4TwGDXGg&s=19 prism copy

>>12578291
As a corporation you have to quality control. This does not excuse them at all. They should have been checking it before the release. Even indie content creators know enough to not post copied material. How can a corpo not know?

>>12578341
Go for it, link your stream or any content!

>>12578434
was $250 for the design + whole body art

>>12578507
Because doing plagiarism checks isn't easy.
If I hire someone to do X, I expect them to do it right. I'm not going to watch every vtuber trailer ever made to make sure its not the same.

They're an indie company not google, they don't have a giant team of lawyers to check this.

>>12578731
They admitted to sending the VShojo trailer to the hired person

>>12578548
I'm both worried and excited, but this was my first solo stream, it was just yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHsQGJNnWSc

>>12577697
>>12577820
Just look for some BL doujins, look at the group or artists' names and more often than not the scanned cantonese gay porn will include the artists' twitters. Or...
>>12578361
Just keep digging on skeb like this anon.
Either generally speaking fujo artists are the best drawing males.

>>12578731
They are in the same industry. You are competing in the same industry. The plagiarized content is not of a small indie vtuber. It is of the biggest player in the western scene. I refuse to believe they are that clueless. And they themselves admitted to using the Vshojo's video as a reference. So your logic here doesn't really fly. Also for your reference - original PRISM post.

https://twitter.com/PRISMproj/status/1386184516063031297

There is a million other possible designs they could have done for the same post, but they chose to use one that looks almost exactly like this?

>>12578507
They did actually. It isn't mentioned elsewhere except archives but before it was released they put out a statement in the premier saying after it will be taken down which it was. The person cut up the copied section and just posted it on Twitter. Honestly, I do genuinely believe they got screwed over last second by some contractor day of release like they said and were forced to premier then take down. Only other accused copying was Tsunderias website (which neither corpo had a website at the time and you can check this by going on twitter and archives) and a glowing eyes image with the claim it copied PRISM which I am also skeptical on. It isn't like PRISM owns "glowing eyes image". It seems too vague but maybe that is just me. Ever since the debut they have been yab free and rebuilding their reputation.

>>12565818
seriously, this.

>>12579207
Wait this is why they are mad? It's literally just glowing eyes? Also this is a video, PRISMs was just an image. This could easily just be a mistake. I have seen plenty of similar posts before.

>>12579188
I skipped around and your commentary was pretty good and there wasnt much dead air. I think if you kept streaming, you'll get very good in no time. Honestly nothing more I can say other than to keep it up and to network once you feel that you're ready.

>>12579433
Okay misaki

>>12578017
Pandering to /here/ isn't all that bad, but I will say self-posting too much just shows desperation. Dropping your links every now and then is not a problem, being cringe or starting drama is.

>>12573651
Hmm, I can't really show any numbers that aren't just Twitchtracker numbers or something like that. Also problem with writeups is that they have to be general a lot of the time, I wrote a clipper one before.

>>12579823
there's a difference between posting your links /here/ and pandering /here/. posting links is fine. pandering to /here/ is a surefire way to make sure you never incline. look at literally all of the /asp/ies who have debuted. none of them have broken past the 30 viewer make because all they do is pander to room temp IQ faggots from /wvt/ front and back desk.

>>12579433
I don't get the Tsunderia website thing either since I remember wanting to look into them and they didn't have a website until recently. Probably why so many people didn't realize they were a corpo. I am whatever about CL, I am extremely skeptical but all the incidents really could be dealing with a bad hand so it isn't too the point of no return for me

Who are the successful pandering to /here/ chuubas? Kiki, Lumi, Pippa? Is that it?

>>12579433
I think you have the timeline confused a bit. They posted about taking it down after shit got heated. Also the reason for taking it down at that time was not for plagiarism, but for a typo I think?

Regardless, let's say they didn't intentionally plagiarize, which I believe they did 100%, they are still extremely incompetent to not do any quality control to have typos, or scheduling to have the video ready so last minute, etc. etc.

I'm not trying to shit on CL, it is just things that we should know about when thinking about joining.

>>12580386
Pippa doesn't pander to /here/. she panders to normies who like to observe 4chan. know the difference.

>>12579823
Pandering in general is bad, because it automatically limits your scope.

Self posting is fine as an indie, but as a corpo is awkward because it automatically ties you (and to an extent your coworkers) to 4chan which is a no-go.

posting on 4chan is fine, but its still a thing you do, not something you talk about. and people who pander to /here/ or other similar places (like pippa) are pandering specifically to shitty people on these websites. I don't want to watch anons, i want to watch nerdy girls, not people sperging about politics and trannies.

>>12580386
Kiki and Pippa for sure. Lumi also does but she still has plenty of her audience who has no idea, can't say the same for the other two

>>12580631
I think Pippa has more audience that are normies than Lumi. Lumi definitely panders to /here/ the most. She even commentates for the divegrass matches.

>>12580473
No at the premier they pinned a comment saying it was going to be taken down. You can check archives, I won't spoon-feed you. I was there remembering being confused as fuck why and then realized afterward. It was immediately taken down but they didn't say anything until the cut post circulated which take that as you will.

>>12580842
Pippa probably would if not for Phase. Kiki panders more, she literally has a clover in her design and is outright racist on her streams.

>>12579715
I wasn't really expecting that, actually. Thanks! I'm going to keep making my way through the resources here and trying to improve. Thanks for taking a look anon, have a good one

All this talk about /here/ chuubas has me wondering, how far could you make it as /here and is it smart? My worry is sponsors and collabs.

>>12580842
Most of her audience has no clue that she's /here/ and she wouldnt have been known as a /here/tuber if it wasnt for her commentary for vt in the 4ch cups. She's hardly pandering at all when she doesnt reference or talk about 4ch in her streams and stays completely unrelated until you find out about her role in commentary.

>>12580880
Ah ok. Doesn't really change the facts for me about plagiarizing though.

>>12581344
You can gain a few thousand if you do it right. Kiki is no corpo 1k and is full /here/.

>>12581354
She is extremely active on the clg board and her twitch stream has a completely different persona that panders very heavily to /here/

>>12581344
The issue with being /here/ is larpers. You could have your entire audience believe shit if you just say you are ___ once you confirm yourself. >>12581532 proves my point.

>>12581344
some here chuubas already got partnered and at +300 viewers

>>12581344
do you mean starting here or just being someone who posts on the boards
there are multiple partnered chuubas that post /here/ like Leaflit, Maroony, Coqui, Koopa, Krimbo used to post a lot and did selfpost like yesterday
there's also other chuubas that aren't partnered but get like 40+ regularly like Meat, Margo and Nyaru
>>12578017
>>12580072
how do you even define pandering to /wvt/? there's so many different people in those threads that i can't really imagine how one would pander to everyone there

>>12581344
/here/tubers make up a good 30% of the vtuber indies in the west. It's a great network if you get into it is what i'd say. Some of the more popular and well known /here/tubers are like Shirara, Leaflit, Krimbo and a couple more. You got a few that recently got partnership on twitch like Coqui, Bessie, KKcyber and a lot more. There's even upcoming vtubers who are growing fast like Arypie and more.

Anyone who thinks being linked to /here/ would be a debuff when it's anything but. You have access to one of the best support networks of vtubers in the west, why not make use of it?

>>12580072
Lumi was an /asp/ and hit 200+ viewers earlier today but maybe you are excluding corpo.

>>12580550
No self posting but there are clips of Risu just mentioning /vt/ or board-related stuff. Then again ID seems to be way more laidback with what the girls can do.
>>12581354
>>12580842
>>12581028
Pippa has talked about Chris-chan, commented on Pantsu's Holo audition and tweeted about that thread where anons were planning on sending her tributes. She may not pander completely to /here/ but she's not afraid to bring up board stuff.

>>12582501
>how do you even define pandering to /wvt/?
shit like
>constantly saying "BASED BASED BASED BASED"
>repeating memes from /here/
>saying the phrase "femoid" or "females" in grammatically incorrect ways
>acting like an edgy 14 year old with hot takes from 2010
>playing games specifically requested by /here/fags
>constantly posting in /wvt/ after each stream to personally thank /here/viewers

>>12582766
that's nice dear. literally a single example out of the 40+ /asp/ies who have started streaming managed to hit 200+ viewers once. spacer haywire hit 1,000+ twice after 2 ironmouse raids, but fat lot of good talking about peak viewer numbers out of context does, right?

>>12582995
>NONE of them have broken 30 viewers

>>12583351
>needs to be so pedantic to cherrypick the one /asp/ie picked up by a corpo to refute the argument
kek. so how many other /asp/ies have been picked up by corps? oh. that's right.

>>12583570
Nia was an asp, that doesn't get brought up often but it is true. Pippa also seemingly posted here during her audition process if you check archives.

>>12582995
>that's nice dear. literally a single example out of the 40+ /asp/ies who have started streaming managed to hit 200+ viewers once.
to be fair her previous life had a literal 10 viewer average and she got accepted into cyberlive
also she's hit higher numbers than that before and currently has a 123 avg viewership over the last 30 days
>constantly posting in /wvt/ after each stream to personally thank /here/viewers
isn't this a thing that a lot of /here/ chuubas do in general
>>12583570
i mean how many chuubas, /here/ or otherwise in general have been picked up by corpos? the fact that anyone here has been picked up is already a shock

>>12584106
posting in /asp/ once or twice doesn't make you an /asp/ie you fucking retard.
>>12584118
>the fact that anyone here has been picked up is already a shock
it means it's an exception to the rule. not a role model to follow because it ignores dozens of variables that allowed it to happen.

point is that /asp/ies should not pander to /wvt/. you shouldn't even post your link here or you'll started to rely on faggots from 4chan to build up your viewerbase which will poison your growth. if you think you can be the next lumi, don't let me stop you. but don't shitpost on malehera monday about how you can't make it despite posting your links here for over a month.

>>12584418
Nia was a full asp so was Lumi. Pippa we aren't sure. But jfc why are you so mad at anyone pointing out what you are saying isn't accurate at all. We have had plenty of successful asps, but once you are successful you move away.

>>12584606
because you faggots keep posting links in /wvt/

>>12584606
This guy seems to be hateposting quite often trying to shit on people and trying to bring them down despite the threads usually having a friendly supportive atmosphere months before.

It's best to focus on my indie career before auditioning again. At the same time, though, I've grown attached to my model and I'm wondering if I'd be able to leave it aside. I wonder if corpos allow two-timing.

>>12584804
Tsunderia used to but after Ria stopped. PRISM makes you wipe. Phase allows. Unsure about CyberLive and Kawaii.

>>12584804
Pandora was an indie before she joined Cyberlive, I think they allow it.

>>12584780
yeah that person seems like the same one that keeps saying "your design doesn't matter just make content" to all the anons asking about design advice and based on their typing style they probably haven't even been providing any feedback to anons posting their content here
>>12344659
>your video views are in the single digits so i'm not even going to bother clicking them
while the rest of the post was valid and the other anon should be able to explain their content this part just reads like being an asshole

>>12575050
>veibae already black listed lumi
and there's proof of this right

Are there any /asp/ies trying to make ASMR content or something similar? I want to see how fast someone can incline by purposely pursuing ASMR/GFE content.

>>12588246
no. she was refering to a drama on twitter about some dude complaining about 4chan not liking him but people jumped to the conclusion she was talking about lumi.

Can we please talk about actually /asp/ things instead of being corpo general

>>12588536
i think the only chuuba here that i know has actual equipment for asmr is feef but i can't find any clips of his asmr

>>12588957
He unarchived those streams I think, I've heard them before. Honestly you don't even need fancy mics to get started with certain kinds of ASMR which is why I want to know if any one has any interest in it.

>>12588766
no

>>12588246
Didn't Lumi literally say she knows Veibae from before vtubing?

I am not a 2view anymore, i am a 6view now. Seeyanara losers.