/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>12236605
the japanese are born with crippling depression and defeatism, they'll probably be fine

>>12236605
>Dope
>Based
>Superlit
Coco’s cancer will forever stay with us

>>12236605
>muh 2 views
If you want an audience, you need to have real skill at something. If you actually have enough in the way of skill to perform an activity at a professional level, you'll be able to get an audience even with little to no paid marketing as long as you stream regularly.
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>>12236759
literally mori words but okay

>>12236759
But Artia is the reddit pioneer

>>12236759

>>12239206
Who?

>>12236915
nta, but I've seen enough 2views who I think are more "skilled" than some of the vtubers in big corporations, and enough "big" vtubers who aren't really all that remarkable (and are probably more carried by brand power than anything, and if the former talented 2views had the same company buff to them, they would wipe the floor with) to really think that it's really all just that simple "hurrdurr, popularity equals quality, if you're big that must mean you are skilled, if you're small that must mean you're ngmi shit" (I'm oversimplifying of course to drive the point across). But of course, I'll readily admit that this is just my subjective personal opinion of them.

I mean, you can see this happening on this very board. Anons regularly make fun of ngmi 2views and say their low viewcount is somehow indicative of their quality (usually to make some kind of tribalist circular logic, for example puffing up their favorite brand Hololive, as if to argue that them being the biggest vtubers must obviously mean they are also the best vtubers, after all why wouldn't they be the biggest if they weren't the best? q.e.d.), but as soon as those very same ngmi 2views pass the Hololive audition and debut with the blue triangle next to their name, those very same anons fall over themselves to proclaim them the best thing since sliced bread. While the streamers themselves are actually not really doing anything different from before, same behavior, same content, the only change is that now they get the big brand buff of approval.

>>12239206
she was forced to post there

>>12236915
This is naive thinking. In a competitive industry like this, you need both real skill and brand power. Louis Vuitton can make some quality bags, are they the best bags ever made in the world? Not really. But their products are sought after by a lot of women.

>>12239576
holy shit get laid

>>12236605
Who do you think makes the bait threads and shit talks the "soulless" corpo chuubas?

Pika outperforms most holos and nijis.
Only trans people watch hololive anyhow.

>>12239206
good thing both of them fucking gone

>>12239576
The reason i make fun of 2views is because it makes retards like you appear with some eternal and contradictory cope.

>>12239576
i agree. as much as people try to cope, skill without exposure means nothing

>>12239576
99% of anons on this board are annoying hypocritical fags, in other words water is wet.

>>12240690
>>12239576
Then just market your 2view better, if they're really so great. Why can't they do what Cover does to gain exposure? They have about 150 employees. The square root of a group does half the work. If the marketing team is 100 people, 10 are doing half the work. Thus if you are as good as one of those 10, you should be able to market yourself at about 5% the level as Cover.

>>12240993
/vt/‘s marketing geniuses at work again, sasuga.

>>12239576
no wonder 2views cant get views.

instead of you listing names of who these talented people are so we can check them out and give them views/subs, you just schizo post on 4chan all day.
You people are useless.

>>12241489
I believe these people are legit groomers.

Check out a 2view I started watching recently. She is cute and has a good model. She likes to play Mobile Suit Gundam: Battle Operation 2. She is drawing live.
>Live
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbu4vmLsJcc
>VODS
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvfjBpdWhTI2h8bUaNmRAuA/videos

>>12236759
Did you just realize this now?

>>12236605
I think they feel the same as amateur football players watching the pros.
They follow them on twitter or make excuses like they could have made if they didn't get crossed ligaments.

>>12236759
Calliope, not Coco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCzvPWtIE6o

>>12242912
Bad comparison since a professional football player actually has to perform on a professional level. A “professional” vtuber by no means has to be a great streamer, gamer, singer etc. Some vtubers get praised for the most basic of streamer skills like it’s something special.

>>12236605
What I wonder about is how the old vtubers that used to pull the top views a couple years ago feel now that they barely manage a couple hundred at best. They still stream every day but its really weird to see them at such low numbers.

>>12243095
Good comparison, from a layman's point of view they both just run after a ball.

>>12236605
>entertainment is unfair
any other genius observations?

Let's compare corpo vs indie start.

You are fat JP girl, technically illiterate, no PC or some potato, could have some zero views experience with irl streams.

Indie way:
1. You need to buy equipment and learn how to stream properly. How to SEO and promo yourself. No idea what to stream and what is good and popular.

2. You get 2 views, no money, no idea how to grow bigger. Chance to success are close to zero. You can stream any shit.

3. You continue to stream with an idea to build exp and get recruited by corp


Corpo way:

1. You get base equipment and soft + support from management and co-streamers.

2. You are provided with market analyses and learn a lot of how stream biz works. Company promotes you + you can get some side jobs if lucky.

3. You get 100 viewers. Some money from Corp. Chance to success close to zero but magnitude better over indie start. You have restrictions over you streams and schedule.

4. You can talk with colleges and discuss stuff. Life is less depressing gas you can vent out. Collabs allow you to play some fun o-op games.

4. You continue to stream to build up business connections and get work experience with corporation and management which is always useful in future job applications.


Honestly as long as you are not expecting to create a miracle and win the lottery in saturated market of streaming - corpos are always a better choice, even with a shit views. And you can always do a Coco maneuver with building more rep and go back to indie.

>>12236605
I don't think they feel anything? Like why would you be jealous of the top of the industry, what would give youbany expectations that you would get popular or deserve popularity purely from writing an application and joining yet another vtuber corp? Any amount of success is better than the default. Only people who always are bitter in everything in life as 2views and people close to the top who both think they're better and have proof of results would have reason to seethe. If you joined generic Vtuber Corp #37, would you expect Hololive success and be bitter? No.

>>12236605
>JP indie & sme chuubas
The same feelings any other person would when comparing themselves to someone who does ostensibly the same thing. Jealous, apathy, non-interest, pride, anger, the whole gamut.
>Western facerig troons
Just jealousy, anger and loathing.

>>12244630
I don't think you can become corpo without any streaming experience, at least not nowadays.

>>12247284
I'd be wary of a corpo that takes you without streaming experience, or at least classical content making.

>>12236759
At least they are appreciated, unlike the cancer that is you

>At least they are appreciated, unlike the cancer that is you

>>12249076
>I'd be wary
plenty of chuubas were at their wits' end when it came to their work life, OP's pic being an example
Marine already had streamer experience and she'd do anything to escape the company slave life

>>12239576
>Wall of text by a 2view or 2view groomer
2views are 2views because they either have no real skills or don't stream regularly. The cope you posted about Hololive actually disproves your point, because all of the Holos who are big names today were successful streamers in the past. The handful of midranked Holos who were previously streamers and weren't that successful at it were either notably less skilled at it than they are now or didn't stream enough when they still had a day job.
If you want to disprove what I am saying, produce some evidence. Link a 2 view who's been streaming at least 3 times a week for 6 months that you think has professional level skill in some area--any area.

>>12240055
HACHI started just over a year ago. Her company is a no-name zako company and her fellow talents are all 2 views. Meanwhile, she just passed 100k subs and streams to over 3k viewers each stream. She did this with no marketing, virtually no support from anyone other than her viewers, and while (presumably) still working a day job to the pay the bills, because she has real skill at something--singing.
HACHI is proof that you can still hit it big today as a 2view as long as you stream regularly and have can demonstrate that you have real skill in some area; the problem that most 2views have is that they think having a vagina is apparently a substitute for having to actually be good at something. It is not.

>>12247284
Heh. 3/5 of myth had little to no streaming experience

>>12252316
Only Mori, and she was productive in other area

>>12251674
I wasn't talking about Hololive or Nijisanji, I meant the shady ones that have started to emerge.

It's really baffling how does success outside of the big companies work. I've seen many chuubas that are legitimately very entertaining, cute, have good voice quality, often a bit worse models, but that's honestly not such a big deal, and despite streaming for months, or even a year, they still pull around 100 views per video. It's honestly very sad, I feel bad for them, and I really hope they at least get a lot of fun out of streaming.
On the other hand, I've recently found a vtuber with like 400-500k subs, who turned out to be the dullest shit ever, AND had a shit mic. I have no idea how does this happen. Is popularity really just a luck based thing dependent of youtube's whims?

>>12253725
There's a couple of things that are done behind the scenes to gain popularity. Lazy people get fucked unless someone else do their job.

>>12253725
The YouTube algorithm is basically the most important factor. Before Hololive made it to #1 and Nijisanji was the next big thing Sora was just another 2view Kizuna AI clone, until the algorithm made the christmas miracle happen and she was promoted to a shitfuckton of people and her subscribers jumped from 0 to thousands. The same happened again when the coming of Corona-chan and the quarantines, where the whims of the algorithm recommended a lot of people Fubuki's shorts, Astronomia, etc. on a time where Hololive was once again stuck and stagnating at around 200k subs for the most popular holos like Choco, with some others pretty much dead in the water like Pekora.
You just have to ask and most people will say that for them it all started from Fubuki's Astronomia or some other short from that time

Uto is very successful without corporate help.
If you can figure out a way to entertain weebs you will be successful.
Ollie had a collab and the other girl was making fun of olivia but the olivia video is the most viewed stream on ollies channel. The weebs call the shots, make them happy or your channel will die.

>>12254318
Uto both rode the algorithm and had a lot of help from her antis and the Streisand effect after all of her scandals

>>12239576
What the fuck is "nta"? Go back to plebbit with this shit.

>>12254601
She goes with higher up to love hotels in the manga industry to get connections, literary every big job shes had she earned it while laying on her back. Someone like Pochi on the other hand did actually earn her position with hard work. It's an open secret among jp art inner circles that Uto just opens her legs for her contracts.

>>12254782
My buddy works in jp manga/art circles. People know how Uto works, if you are an executive/manager and she wants a contract, you are getting your dick sucked. People know what shes like and frankly i wouldn't be surprised if she got her hololive art contract by blowing someone in the marketing team.

>>12254782
>>12255037
holy schizo

>>12255101
Why do some people here have this idea that girls are some innocent flowers. Anon people know about Uto. Im not saying she isn't a talented artist but when she needs an edge over another artist for a contract she doesn't care if it means taking a managers load.

>>12255217
I'm sure you have proof of that? And no, rumors from jp anti sites don't count.

>>12255253
>dude doxx yourself or i wont believe you
how about go fuck yourself

>>12254723
Been wondering the same for a while.

>>12255309
>hurr I can just say whatever bs without proof
Kys schizo

>>12255253
I'm not him but here's everything documented about her, I wanted to post a google translated copy because if you really have to ask I guess you don't know japanese, but the site doesn't accept it so you'll have to manually copy and paste whatever you want to read.
https://note.com/jdowua817hdo98/n/nd3e1b5009274

>>12255638
I note that old ass note, there's nothing about the bs the other schizo was spouting in it.

>>12255341
nta=not that anon

>>12254198
Yeah youtube algorithm basically turns anyone lucky enough to ride it to become huge. There's really no way of getting it other than being lucky and to keep putting out content.

>>12236759
>>12241889
>Coco's cancer
I wonder how (You) can tell that Zhang is a newfag?

>>12263952
Easy, Just ask if they love reddit and if they don't they're Zhangs.

>>12236759
Watch streams faggot

>>12254318
Uto was a corporate chuuba pretending to be an indie until all her Hololive leeching and other shit got exposed by Narukami and then she ditched the Chinese company.
Don’t use her as an example for others to follow lol