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This is a reply to an EN redditor's post: https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/comments/lwos5l/in_regards_to_kiryuu_coco/ It also serves as an introduction to the spamming incident for the western Hololive fans. I will give you my answer from a moderator perspective and I am not only the mod in this sub. Hope you have a comprehensive understanding after reading my explanation.

A little bit background: I.Date back to the time when Hololive entered Chinese market, their videos were translated by loyal fans who wanted to share these interesting vtubers to general audience. After the audience base became large enough, the translators contacted each other in private to form "translation groups" and recruited more members from the audience. As the groups became massive with super high productivity (2-hour livestream translated after 12 hours), they contact Hololive staff and Bilibili employee asking for permission to become an "official" group, which basically was an agent who duplicated everything the vtuber did online, including twitter translation, livestream announcement, merchandise info, etc.
After the official group formation, most people relied on it to watch vtuber videos and the individual translators gradually lost audience and were absorbed into the official group.

II.Hololive members did not often broadcast in Bilibili. First reason was the language issue obviously. The second reason was because of the foreign currency exchange restriction in China, especially between a person to a foreign enterprise [1], it's extremely hard for the Bilibili Gift (equivalent to Superchat) to reach the vtuber's account. Fubuki once even told the Chinese audience she preferred Superchat in Youtube. From my knowledge, some payments even were not sent out after six months. That's one reason Yagoo said the Chinese business was not profitable. The third reason was the extensive political minefield, which I will elaborate later.

Since the Hololive members did not interact with Chinese fans directly (through Bilibili streaming), some fans were not satisfied but it's more like a minor complaint. However, it's a hidden bomb waiting for detonation. Furthermore, sometimes after Youtube banned someone's channel, that vtuber would come to Bilibili to broadcast a lot, since she had nothing else to do. Then after the YouTube channel returned normal, she immediately abandoned Bilibili. Such behavior added more internal heat to the situation.

III.Moderators in NGA tried to avoid two things: first, discussion of political affairs related to China; second, become the target of the enraged users, for whatever reason. Therefore, they deleted the posts which explained the point of view of a foreigner regarding Taiwan (which involved the history and political background), banned users who supported Coco and the Taiwan people (users who did not stand with CCP's ideology), let the extremists attack rational users freely (to drain their time and energy). However, these cowards did not dare to ban the nationalists because they feared that these users would draw the government to deal with them or shutdown the NGA.
This self-preservation practice led to the result that all the Hololive supporters left NGA. The remained consisted of only antis and trolls.

IV.Chinese domestic vtuber agencies were jealous about the JP vtubers for a long time. However, even without the language barrier, they still could not compete with the Japanese.

>> No.1180009

>>1179754
I Barely understood half of what this post is trying to convey

>> No.1180074

>>1179754
With these background info, I will show the logic behind the spamming.

Most Chinese could not distinguish the difference between China (as a country), CCP (as a party which takes power), and Chinese (a language the people live in this land speak). They also failed to understand that the national interests of China ruled by CCP was not equivalent to the interests of normal Chinese people. All users who tried to explain this were banned from all major domestic BBS. (Not joking, especially after 2012) Therefore, any opinions which violated the CCP's propaganda would be regarded as hurting the national interests of China = harming Chinese people. "You want to hurt Chinese, then I will hurt you." This is the core reason behind all the superficial spamming.

The age distribution of the Hololive CN audience showed that the majority part laid in high school to college range, which were heavily affected by the CCP ideology and people in this period had a lot of energy and free time to spend. This is the reason the spamming has continued for a long time.

There are several programmers played the central role in the spamming by inventing automatic bots to send spam messages. It drastically boosted the efficiency and reduced the cost of attacking since everyone could installed them and the only thing to do was to feed the bot with Google accounts. Also YouTube did not do a good job to ban the spammers and there are glitches in the slow mode which allows users to bypass it. These contributed to the severity of the spamming.

>> No.1180095

>>1180074
The evolution:

After Coco showed the audience statistics in her broadcast, someone, maybe anti, maybe pro-CCP users, maybe normal fans, posted this information in NGA and other discussion forums. The mods in NGA did what I described in Background III and the NGA became a huge echo chamber. Spamming started.

With Coco's "Fuck you and never come back" attitude to the CN harassers, Cover's dual version announcement (Sep 27th) which described the Chinese audience as nationalists in the Japanese version (there was not such word in Chinese version), and background II / IV, the water reached the boiling point. In the echo chamber, Coco and Cover both became anti-Chinese villains; Hololive members who collabed with Coco were regarded as her supporter; translators who promoted Hololive were marked as traitors.

No official translation groups could take such pressure. (For some groups it's not the case, their members were pro-CCP in the beginning.) Therefore, one by one they decided to delete all the videos uploaded and stop making new ones. Combined with background I, it led to a situation that the audience of other Hololive vtubers also did not have content to watch. They blamed Coco for all these consequences and joined the spammer army, hoping after forcing Coco to graduate, the decontaminated Hololive could return to China (the official groups will translate for them again).

That's the main story.

>> No.1180461

I mean, pretty much all of this is already known. Chinks are brainwashed nationalists who refused to allow this "mistake" to pass because to them it was the final straw that cover doesn't pander to them enough.

Even people here that don't know the more nuanced story probably won't even care though. 4chan is the most racist mainstream platform on the internet so all anyone here had to hear was "china bad". The how or why they are is kind of irrelevant

>> No.1190728

>>1179754
This is mostly just what Hololive Moments (the channel that reuploaded bilibili clips to youtube) said when they shutdown their channel after the incident. Their explanation also included the fact that the incident screwed over Chinese people since their only (legal) way of watching Hololive got shutdown.

>> No.1191175

This is an interesting view from inside indeed

>> No.1191258

>>1179754
so bugmen got what they fucking deserve and they threw a massive manchild tantrum because of their collective bug mentality.They don't even want to admit the fact that they've been brainwashed by the literal 21st century nazi party.

>> No.1191284

Good. Fuck China.

>> No.1191484

>>1179754
SEA chinks and Based Taiwan have already given a glimpse into what was going on in that shithole. This just reinforces the narrative that is already known that basically the West Taiwanese just want control and went on a tantrum

>> No.1191491

>>1179754
This is just some Taiwanese dude's rant anon, take it with a grain of salt. In fact it provides no new information besides political circlejerking about Chinese people being brainwashed. This belongs on /pol/ more than it does here.

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>>1179754
>>1180461
Fuck them, this is not the first time they throw a tantrum to get what they want. Chinks spammed dead rabbits to Pekora's twitter and spammed her youtube chat because they felt she owed them a bilibili stream.

>> No.1193529

>>1191491
well, the real spicy part is the Q&A section which i deliberately cut it out, use that reddit link in the first paragraph to find out why yourself
also not every anti-fighter who understand chinese are taiwanese

>> No.1194126

>>1180461
Chinks are genetically retarded mongrels though. That Xinnie the Pooh is so terrified of citizens starting to think spiritually, which is why they're so terrified and anti anything with skeletons or bones, because of the historical pattern of "leader lost mandate of heaven. Rebel against leader!"

Chinks went along with a leader's decree to completely genocide birds and melt their farm tools and cookware because they're so genetically retarded, and thousands starved and died for that decision. Hell, they even have a philosophy that it's cheaper to pay for a funeral of someone you ran over than it would be to pay their hospital bill.

Sure, many of the CCP niggers are doing it to up their social credit score, but the majority of them missed the train off when their retarded ancestors managed to survive the brain dead culture. China as of now is just a dead end in their genetics. So of course they're going to go all out when someone "insults muh glorious china"

>> No.1194195

>>1180461
Is the how or why of Chinese being fucktards ever relevant to a conversation? Regardless of nation, everyone outside of China knows that China is fucking stupid and pointless to deal with.

>> No.1194643

>>1179754
First of all, I'm surprised nobody called out
>reddit
if only just because.
That said, it's a nice summary of the background behind the Taiwan incident for any newfag who actually wants to know how it started.

>> No.1194755

>>1194126
the CCP is losing the culture war hard, which is why they're trying to minimize foreign entertainment
because outside opinions mean the smarter folks learn to think and end up leaving to other countries and not coming back

>> No.1195648

>>1194643
>I'm surprised nobody called out
no rules without few exceptions.

One would expect them to start realizing their little crusade is going nowhere when EN2 Debuts and starts hitting subscriber milestones.
"We are generous fans" That was their ideology right?
EN2 success would serve as a physical proof that Cover is doing just fine without them, and that they have no leverage to justify their actions anymore

>> No.1196078

>>1194755
>because outside opinions mean the smarter folks learn to think and end up leaving to other countries and not coming back
America kinda disproves this theory. Their people just get more and more retarded as they consume more information. There's so much information overloading their brains it just encourages filtering out any information that doesn't match their ingrained biases. So they just visit the same news sites that agree with them and have a kneejerk reaction to shun opposing viewpoints that might challenge their worldview.

If anything, China is winning the culture war hard because their people are successfully brainwashed under a single unified ideology rather than a bunch of competing ideologies that are on the brink of civil war like in the west.

>> No.1196210

>>1196078
>winning
applying more and more force measures is hardly what you could call "winning"

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Then who do I blame for shitting up the Hecatia threads with the same timeloop arguments over and over? I just want to watch this addict navigate gacha menus for 5 hours without any gameplay while listing to ciyana sing gundam songs.
https://streamable.com/foxe5y

>> No.1196693

>>1193529
What's even spicy about the Q&A? Obviously they're using bots, obviously they won't stop. The rest is /pol/ shit and that some previous fans switched to Youtube to watch.

>> No.1197105

>>1191491
>political circlejerking about Chinese people being brainwashed
it's 100% the case

>> No.1197363

>>1179754
>reddit
into the trash it goes

>> No.1197627

>>1179754
>Chinese
stopped reading here

dumb chinks are too needy like some mentally ill roasties on twitter. you chinks have entered into the pure paranoia phase. nobody gives a fuck about chinks.

just give it up and move on.

>> No.1198032

>>1196676
She just has a lot of antis, both from chink land and from hololive fanatics.

>> No.1200702

>>1179754
>>1180074
>>1180095

All of this doesn't belong here. Fuck you OP, as always, OP is a faggot. Who that frequents this place needs this wall of text? Spoonfeeding the redux, is what this is

>> No.1200915

I'll never forgive the Chinese after listening to Civia try her best not to cry during her last stream.

>> No.1202327

>>1191491
>>1197105
okay chang.

>> No.1202748

>>1179754
Stop blogging. Nobody cares about the chinese circlejerk

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>>1191491

>> No.1205878

>>1196676
No one likes you discordfaggots, the Artia threads let the nga nationalists think they could make vt their home. All you fuckers do is horny post, go back to your discord.

>> No.1208407

>>1196676
Your discord faggot still spamming to Coco until today

I talked about original Andy

>> No.1208688

tl;dr chinks is morons

>> No.1208729

>>1179754
No one cares Zhang

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