/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

The HoloEN girls don't even collab with each other. What makes you think they'll collab with outsiders?

>>11799511
out of all Hololive EN only Kiara can act like a human being in collabs and not be a turbo autist

>>11799567
Well they've collabed with Nabi who you have to admit is an outsider.

>>11799511
HoloEN is full of antisocial women whos pick of people to collab with are
NijiEN
Vshoujo
Random indie they know
Which is not a lot. I can't see someone like Petra wanting to talk to any one of them and I can't see anyone like Ame wanting to talk to any one of them.

>>11799511
kys collabeggar, holoENs and NijiENs were never friends before joining their companies, unlike JPs

>>11799622
a mama to one of the girls. That's different to them. Feel bad for Kiara because a Pomu-Kiara collab would be one of the greatest collabs ever just because of the Otakuness of both of them.

>>11799567
This
Look at takamori now
Both of them had a catfight over it the past week and ended it

>>11799511
They realized how much of threat nijiEN is

>>11799511
>>11799614
This. A collab between EN niji x holo would be extremely awkward

>>11799511
Out of the Holos in the OP, only Fubuki is a good person. The rest of them are only thinking about their "careers".

>>11799900
What do you mean over the past week? She mentioned it was over three weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjOuEAaBMT8

>>11799511
Considering that this is the same EN management that completely ghosted anything and everything Coco tried to do with holoEN, I wouldn't be surprised if they're blocking holoEN/NijiEN collabs.

>>11799511
kek, Nina's dumbassery just added at least another 6 months to any possibility of even a single small collab, beggar op.

>>11800073
Mori was always the one in control of this dynamic. What kiara says doesnt matter. Mori ended it yesterday

>>11799884
Well they're not forbidden from talking to each other on Twitter and stream and stuff as you know, so I think it's only a matter of time. Just gotta wear management down because once demand gets high enough they'll have no choice but to do it. That's the thing about HoloEN managers, they're so controlling that they stop good things every step of the way. Then they realize it can make them money and suddenly they act as if they were always for it.

>>11800075
They also made sure that EN doesn't collab with Chammers for a long time too and kicked her off EN server.

>>11799511
NijiEN are superior in quality to HoloEN with exception of Time and Shark
Collabs will basically give them your viewers

Just like what happened to Kiara
She collabed so much and the viewers noticed the collab partners are more interesting than Kiara herself

>>11800171
Unironically believe Kiara would be far more happy with far less subs and attention but in a less restrictive company like NijiEN.

>>11799511
JP scene is different because a number of them know each other as roommates. You gotta remember that Myth didn't pull many of its members from the EN indie scene, so that connection in a past life simply isn't there. Council seems to be a little more social though, and coincidentally Council is made up of former vtubers.

>>11799511
Isn't it the case that several members of NijiJP and HoloJP were friends or friends of friends with each other in their pre-VTuber lives? I don't think the same is applicable to the EN branches.

>>11800264
slit your throat nijibrony

>>11800301
Except Kiara and Pomu are friends.

>>11799511
Competitors but admitting that would be bad for business for both sides. So friendly cousins that just so happen not to collab much is the narrative.

>>11800335
Yeah just like kiara and mori were before Mori had to stop it

>>11800340
Except NijiEN has no problem collabing with vShojo at all.

>>11800335
This is rrat territory.

>>11800335
>reply to each other on twitter for clout
>they are friends

What incentive does Hololive have collabing with NijiEN? It's like Coke collabing with RC Cola.

And risk our market share on bugland? No way jose. I say no to hololive collabs!

>>11800374
Niji livers gets more freedom with choosing collabs

>>11800275
I bet if she actually wanted to join NijiEN they'd be really excited to have her so they'd just straight up let her bypass the audition process. She's probably holding out for a bit longer to see if HoloEN gets any better but if it doesn't I wouldn't be surprised if she just drops them and moves over to Nijisanji at some point.

>>11800387
What clout does Kiara even gain from Pomu? Let's be honest, they are at least on friendly terms

>>11799511
Americans have the lolcow culture and take it seriously. meanwhile JP culture is mature and don't dehumanize people or turn them into objects.

Basically America is a lot less mature and they think lolcowing someone is serious business and they're better than anyone because they don't respect (name of person here) when in reality they're just as degenerates

>>11800434
I actually would not be shocked at all. She's just feels out of place in Hololive.

>>11800073
Takamori was always cringed and forced from day 1. Better they ended it than retards just constantly spamming that shit and having to always ham it up during collabs. AmeSame suffered from the same shit and killed a lot of the fun Gura and Amelia had.

>>11800436
It just shows you that of the five, Kiara and Ina are the only ones that aren't in it for clout because they're willing to interact with people who have less subs than them. You look at someone like Gura and Ame and it's just a walled garden of completely ignoring anyone that isn't in HoloEN. If it doesn't help their own fame, they don't care.

/vt/ will meme and act like it's both side deliberately ignoring collabs to spite the other team when in reality they most likely just haven't officially approached one another as yet. They're certainly friendly, but in the case of both companies they now have double digit members and they're all gonna collab with one another first. This isn't like the EN startups that each have like seven people at the most.

>>11800517
I'm glad Cover's attempts to force pairings with Council pretty much completely failed because it allowed them to naturally form instead and you don't have any dumb "ship names" but you just see people actually enjoying each other's company for once.

>>11800458
>JP don't dehumanize people
/jp/sies with their fairytales to let them sleep.

>>11800434
you're a retarded nigger. Kiara wants to be an IDOL, it's literally her old job. why the fuck would she choose nijisanji over hololive?

>>11800823
She would actually get a better chance of putting on an idol concert with Nijisanji than with Hololive unironically.

>>11800823
Do Holobronies actually believe you can only be an idol in Hololive?

>>11800921
True, Nijisanji actually puts out original music pretty frequently. Hololive did one song in six months and that's about it.

>>11800785
Dude's unironically using /pol/ slang, don't bother.

>>11800983
3 of EN's wave 3 girls will likely have an album out next year. When Pomu gets 3D live, she will put on an idol concert. Unironically, Kiara would be better off DESPITE Nijsanji not being an "Idol" company because of the creative freedom.

>>11800458
EOP's just don't understand that Japanese are better at being two faced than they realize. It's that community harmony and shame culture. Sabatoge, passive aggression, scheming, exclusion and anonymous threats are more their style than more overt public actions(Like public petitions and open complaints).

>>11801081
>creative freedom
Rumao roru

>>11800921
She should have pulled an Oliver and went into Nijisanji jp

>>11801195
you mean Japanese people hide their hate for others easily?

Idk. I think lolcow culture is more of America's thing. When Japanese do it they're smart and only do it in a group.

Its not that deep. It's just that Americans degrade and disrespect people and think they're mature for it all while calling their own lolcows "has the mind of a kid" when they're just as retarded as them

>>11801195
>>11801474
Such a cynical, perpetually angry board.

>>11801474
Anon, 5ch and suki-kira is lolcow for nips. Actually suki-kira is worse, you can literally get a live feed of a JP vtuber's member stream from hatewatchers updating their page every minute. Just because you don't know these websites doesn't mean they don't exist.
What a strange mindset you have

>>11801474
Whether covert or overt I wouldn't call either side mature. And both dehumanize in their own way. "Menhera" is a dehumanizing term that reduces a person's personality down to a mental illness for example.

>>11800110
Timestamp?

>>11801243
another rrats? or it's just a pointless rant?

>>11802315
Not rrating just saying join Nijisanji as a JP and EN speaker so she can do all her idol stuff

>>11802315
Oliver is an unofficial member of EN.

>>11801660
I didn't know those websites existed

But yeah they should be taken down.... I don't know. But Japan definitely doesn't lolcow their own co workers that's for sure. meanwhile you have Americans doxing people they know in real life and biting the hand that feeds them

>>11802420
>that's for sure
Newfag stop. It's embarassing at this point.

>>11802420
You're just making things up because you want Japan to be some sort of utopia. They're very two faced due to the pressure of needing to act polite to everyone's faces. Why do you think JPs tend to be so schizo over vtubers? Why do you think they're constantly committing suicide due to bullying in highschool/work?

>>11800533
Good on Gura and Ame. HoloEN isn't a fucking charity. Fuck off collabegging Nijiniggers.

>>11802993
mate, i dont give a shit about your girls. I just want to see Pomu and Kiara have a kino collab. Fuck numbers, its all content.

NijiEN talents don't want to collab with HoloEN talents. Gura has said she's open to it but not a single NijiEN has ever expressed interest in collabing with her.

>>11803156
>Source : my ass

>>11803156
>Using GURA of all people for this post
Rumao

>>11800318
you've gotten really violent with these posts, brony-anon, I'm concerned about you

>>11800068
Good, holostars are blight.

>>11800693
Well I think they certainly tried the first week, with how Sana and Kronii first collabed with each other as well as Fauna and Mumei. Then you had Mumei and Kronii showing up on each others chat and creating their own moments during the group collabs.

>>11803122
Well keep dreaming about it because it isn't happening. If it does get announced I will personally make sure it gets cancelled. We got the Veibae collab cancelled so we can get this cancelled too. I don't want filthy Nijis anywhere near my Hololive girls.

>>11803359
>>11803425
Yeah, I'm lying, I don't watch HoloEN for the most part but I genuinely don't think NijiEN members want to collab with HoloEN. I see no benefit for them and the NijiEN thread would react worse to it than holofags did to the nyanners collab.

>>11800387
They talk to each other on Discord.

>>11803767
>I see no benefit
Meeting new people and having fun? Same goes for a potential benefit for Holos. And before people try to bring up personalities there was no way people would be able to predict Petra and Finana being a good collab duo, sometimes you don't know if something will work until you give it a try.

>>11803871
There are 4 new nijis and 5 new holos
chill
we don't need more friendships
no collab, for nijis sake

>>11803620
I will personally manifest a collab so that you'll be driven to suicide

>>11800434
Kiara doesn’t watch Nijisanji, and she only auditioned for Holo because she’s a fangirl. She’d never leave Hololive for a smaller vtuber branch that she doesn’t even care about. I don’t even dislike Niji and that’s very easy to see

>>11803980
>we don't need more friendships
Says you. All chuubas will be FRIENDS

>>11803871
>benefit for Holos
There is literally no benefit for HoloEN when it comes to a NijiEN/HoloEN collab. It can't benefit them in anyway. NijiEN are microscopic compared to them. It will never happen. It wouldn't be much different from Hololive collabing with Tsunderia. You think that will happen?

>>11800029
Selen just roasting the fuck out of Gura would be hilarious and would send this board into chaos because they wouldn't know whose side to take.

>>11804109
I feel sad for you that all you see is numbers when it comes to interactions. Please never look into running a vtuber group of your own.

>>11804109
It'd earn the good will of the community and many fans as it would show that HoloEN are just like everyone else instead of snobs on their ivory tower looking down at the peons. Most of the ill will small ENvtubers have with HoloEN would go away.

>>11800068
Oh yeah idiot, I am so sure Ayame is "thinking about her career" by streaming one time a week.

>>11803605
And you. You actually think you're looking at a picture of Holostars. Unbelievable.

>>11804027
>Kiara doesn’t watch Nijisanji
Why make a claim that is so easily proven false? Do you enjoy public humiliation?

>>11804245
HoloEN isn't a charity to boost up your failing NijiENkeks. It will never happen.

>>11804109
I just want to see vtubers talk to new people I'm tired of looking at isolated people, it's why I moved to watching JP Apex because they're always making new friends all the time. I am here for the friend experience.

>>11804245
>instead of snobs on their ivory tower
filthy collab beggars aren't fit to even be in the same screen as the HoloENs. Go beg somewhere else.

>>11804371
Not that guy but I'm curious who does she watch/has mentioned? Other than EN.

>>11804389
Its a business not a social network. This mindset is probably why Niji is failing.

>>11803871
>And before people try to bring up personalities there was no way people would be able to predict Petra and Finana being a good collab duo, sometimes you don't know if something will work until you give it a try.
Really? You didn't predict that the two sweet-voiced girls who were specifically paired with each other before debut due to their matching theme would be a good collab duo?

>>11802420
can you just shut the fuck up? you clearly don't know anything being a retarded EOP

The Holo JP girls kinda abandoned Niji though. Like it's just Suisei & Okayu left that collab each with their respective Niji friend. The rest don't really interact with Niji anymore. (If anyone has more examples of Holomembers that still interact regularly with Niji feel free to add). Of course, it's not the level of autism that the EN branch has, and they don't avoid Niji in large collabs, but I'd hardly say it feels anywhere close to "as if they're not even from different companies".

>>11804467
She talked about Chronoir on a members chat. Well, to Chronoir. They're members, you see. A lot of crazy things happen on members streams that people don't know about because nobody wants to pay for membership.

>>11804770
Not counting sponsor stuff that pulls from different companies you have the FPS girls getting together now and then for tournaments (Towa with Bora) or just playing casually (RBC with Melissa). Polka was also in Furen's chat like yesterday or something.

>>11804373
>>11804393
It'd also make people like these two absolutely seethe to high heaven so that would be a nice bonus.

>>11804487
Nijisanji isn't failing though. A numberfag is unable to see the world in anything but how much money it makes them but out here in the real world people understand that streaming is the one job where money isn't the objective.

>>11804911
fuck I somehow forgot Bora was Nijisanji since she's from the Korean branch, even though I watch Towa and like Bora.

>>11804911
>Polka was also in Furen's chat like yesterday or something.
Why though? Is it because they have the same artist?

>>11804770
RBC made friends with Melissa and they're both pretty introverted but found out they had fun talking.

>>11805111
>Korean branch
nah, she's JP at this point

>>11805318
I think all members of NijiKR are fluent in Japanese. It's the only reason they have any viewers, Koreans don't watch VTubers but speaking Japanese gives them a small Japanese audience.

>>11805255

>>11804487
How are they failing, they do more things than Hololive does.

>>11804109
You realize that Council's numbers are actually pretty bad compared to Myth's. You keep saying "HoloEN" but either you solely mean Myth or you don't realize how badly IRyS and Council are doing compared to them. At some point Cover is going to give in and let NijiEN collab with IRyS and Council because they need all the help they can get. Only Myth can afford to keep ignoring everyone else, the rest are in serious trouble.

>>11805567
actually delusional

>>11803767
Personally I'm glad it won't happen because we don't need even more Hololive fans attempting to raid the NijiEN thread. It's bad enough as it is. Hololive just can't stop letting Niji live in their head rent free so they're always in those threads crying about Nijisanji daring to compete with Hololive.

>>11805567
Its only bad compared to Gura, Kronii is at Mori's level, Mumei is at Ame's level, Fauna and Baelz are at Ina and Kiara's level. Sana brought in a new low but the others are doing well.

>>11805790
Nah. Myth was doing a lot better at this time last year.

>>11805382
yeah, but not every KR member pander to JP audience. most of them speak english and sometimes korean or japanese. bora mostly speak japanese while grinding those apex streams

>>11805939
Youtube had made changes to their systems, surely you must have also noticed how around the last few months last year the views from livestreams have all gone down from the JPs and ENs? Not to mention that Myth debuted during peak time of the pandemic that caused people to be stuck at home and had to find other ways to entertain themselves, now parts of the world are more open and vaccines have been taken so people are back to going outside.

>>11806164
That's all a lot of convenient excuses, but the end result is still that Council is flopping compared to Myth. Hell if anything you've brought into contention the fact that Myth has hundreds of thousands of dead subs now. You don't get to brag about numbers and then turn around and make excuses for why these numbers are suddenly lower. Hololive's popularity is dying out because people are losing interest in VTubers. That's a fact. And that's why they'll eventually give in and collab with Nijisanji, because it's the only way they'll be able to recoup their losses. That's also a fact.

>>11806377
A theory: A lot of people has Hololive fatigue, tired of watching the same girl for months if not years. So, they started watching other VTubers. Nijisanji, VShojo, indies, you name it.

>>11806614
Baseless claim. Hololive are the best of the best. Nobody would waste their time watching vtubers that are not only less talented but get less views unless they're insane.

>>11806614
This is why I cheat on my wife

>>11806865
Just because a wealthy corporation has decided to put their money behind you doesn't mean you're inherently more talented. Just look at Justin Bieber. You gonna tell me he's talented? No, someone rich just decided to sponsor him. That's what Yagoo does.

>>11800110
What did Mori say? got a link?

>>11806614
Anyone would get fatigue from trying to split their attention across two dozen VTubers. The sane thing to do is pick a favorite and loyally watch all her streams. You don't need to watch anyone else. Just your favorite.

>>11807183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyjCc_3uQWo
Apparently, she also said "vagina" but I couldn't find any proof.

>>11801207
>He hate him, because he say the truth

>>11807413
She hates her

>>11807431
>>11807589
Nobody hates anyone. Go outside. Talk to people. Interact with the fucking world.

>>11807683
The world is filled with co workers who hate eachother.

>>11804487
Even if it was purely business it makes sense to reach out to find new audiences. So many vtubers have gone from whos to pretty popular after successful collaborations.

>>11806983
Justin bieber isna superb performer

>>11807990
which is exactly why it makes no sense for HoloEN to collab with the failing NijiEN. Why give them any kind of exposure?

>>11808384
Collabs also carry the risk your viewers end up moving on to someone else. Gura learnt this the hard way whenever she collabs with Ina who's one of the better gamers on EN and Ina often soaks up more live viewers than her.

This is why Myth has seemed so depressing lately, because tranny Omega is restricting them from doing what they actually want. Remember when EN management ghosted Coco, same shit is happening here. Also remember how friendly the girls were when talking about management early on, but now hardly mention them and when they do its always just complaints lol

>>11808778
that tells more about gura and her viewers then anything else
fitting

>>11799511
There's been a lot of interaction between holoEN and nijiEN on Twitter so I think there's probably been some motion towards a collab, just moving very slowly for one reason or another. I think Cover is just very slow in arranging outside-agency collabs in general and has a lot of red tape involved. I mean the VShojo collabs took months to get moving too from when they were first announced, didn't they? Also scheduling is a bitch, even inside-hololive collabs like Gura/Shion or Mori/Korone seem like they take months to setup despite both sides saying early on they want to do it.

Now everyone is talking about holoEN but what about NijiEN tho? If their charm is to be open and inclusive in external collabs then why they haven't flexed it to put social pressure on Cover to allow Nijiholo collabs? Aside from Vshojo/OfflineTV or APEXvtubers, they haven't really proving themselves as a more flexible agency in external collabs

>>11812855
What’s there to ‘flex’, the evidence is already there, you even fucking listed them

>>11802420

Pomu has talked on stream about how she and Kiara asked their respective managements about doing a collaboration and said it was "in managements hand now, but don't get your hopes up".
Considering how many outside collabs NijiEN has already had, it's logical to assume the issue is on the HoloEN side of management.

>>11806614
I agree with that, a lot of people got into vtubers in the first place because of HoloEN, and now that they've found there's actually a whole world of vtubers out there, they're moving on. It's really not that complicated.

>>11800434
Kiara would never join NijiEN, if she does leave Hololive she’d probably be an indie since you make more money as a indie vtuber if you’re big enough and she can still collab with NijiEN.

>>11813843
I mean are you even here when that happened? /vt/ hates leeching vshojo and Offline was even worse for them, hence I discounted them

>>11800823
There’s literally a vtuber on Nijisanji that streams once a month since she’s more of an idol that collabs with real life idol groups and just posts the collabs on her channel.

>>11814896
HoloEN management is extremely restrictive, everybody knows that by now. I believe that's the reason lately they only play MC or do collabs among themselves, since they don't allow them to do shit.

I’m subbed to council but i only watch them sometimes if someone from NijiEN isn’t streaming. How delusional are some people on this board to think that 3k+ viewers is now considered as a failure?

I will enter the scene, fix it, fuck mashiro, and leave just you wait

>>11815232
There's has to be a reason why it happened, maybe it is more engaging to keep it restrictive to their wider fanbase, maybe being restrictive keeps holofans contained from shaming their brand elsewhere, or something like that

>>11799511
There’s so much bitterness towards HoloEN kek
Guess what collar beggars you and your Oshis aren’t worthy of a collab, kneel, learn your place and suck up to HoloEN like the rest of the chuuba community does.

>>11815439
Will wait for this anon. NijiEN wave4 debuts 3 males instead of 4, mashiro going hiatus at the same time.

>>11804109
>it can't benefit THEM in any way
who's "them"? the company?

what about Mori Calliope collabing with Milky Queen? it's not like Mori is gonna get more viewers from that, right?

>oh, that's because they were friends since before calli joined holo!! they just want to have a good, fun time!!
that's the fucking point. collabs to have a fun, good time on stream.
with that said, NijiEN-HoloEN collab could be entertaining depending on who's in it.

>>11820799
>that's the fucking point. collabs to have a fun, good time on stream.
What's the point of it, if the target market doesn't say so? The market has spoken and they want it to be restrictive, holoEN does it best when they are on they own, the chat wanna keep them for themselves and the management knows it better than your stupid collab begging asshole

>>11808937
Management and Manager are two different things I feel
They still say good stuff about their own Manager, but Management/Betadelta gets shit on

>>11820940
The collab beggars who insist that their anti boogeymen are just on /vt/ also seem to forget that they're on /vt/. Looking at any live chat or vod comment section will tell you that people who are slavering for collabs are in the extreme minority.

Kizuna Ai went just fine without collabs for a long time, and maintained her spot as the best. She only started doing them around the time that streaming entered the equation, and that was the beginning of her popularity recline. Really gets the noggin joggin'.

>>11820940
>the market has spoken
>/vt/

laughing my fucking ass off. go look at the normie Pomu fans and Kiara fans on twitter and discord. no matter how cancer those platforms are, THEY are *the market*.

you schizo anons on /vt/ ain't shit.

>>11821256
no, live chat is because of the so-called "vtuber ethics: DON'T TALK ABOUT OTHER VTUBERS". it's seen as disrespectful when you do so on stream. Look at the replies and quote tweets from fans on any Pomu-Kiara interaction tweets though. they WANT them to collab.

>>11802420
I hope your trolling man. Like others have said, the Japanese are masters at being passive aggressive and that shit can get brutal. Do your society reps man

>>11821438
Damn, you're stupid.

What I'm saying here is that the market says that holoEN are stronger on solo streams or with their genmates and nope those are not the Pomudachis or the KFPs that matters, but the newfags, these are the ones that matters and a Pomu-Kiara collab will alienate those newfags. The management knows this and standing up for them so as to not embolden their extreme fans on both sides.

Im pretty sure the collab all rests on if Kiara really wants to push for it, since Mori only cares about vtubers that she's already friendly with prior to Hololive while the other Myths just want to stick to other holos. Council haven't been here long enough to tell if they are open to other vtubers and probably want to play with most of the holos before considering it. Kiara was able to push for a collab with Nyanners despite all the pushback from within her fans.

>>11800823
If you only knew how many concerts Nijisanji does in a year.

>>11805382
Koreans watch vtubers. I’m pretty sure Kiara has more Kr viewers than the majority of nijikr

>>11800275
This but Watson. She could truly become Supremo La Creatividad in NijiEN

>>11805382
All gooks are on twitch, that's why if you wanna see them being gooks you watch NijiKR on twitch

Let me tell you a secret, my viewer friends. Cover is considered if not an outright "black company", at least a severely restrictive one in the English vtuber scene. Everyone who's in the big vtuber discords could tell you this. It's not said out loud to the public because it hurts the small collab chances you might have with them. I've heard not only indies say something along these lines, but also vtubers from small corpos and even bigger ones like Nijisanji and Vshojo. The consensus seems to be that if you join Hololive you're signing away a lot of your rights and freedom but at least you get a lot of viewers.

>>11825044
What's the secret here though

>>11825044
He said so while ignoring the potential clique problem on nijisanji.
oh and also
>Discord
go back to your circlejerk fag.

>>11800517
AmeSame and Takamori aren't the same, in my opinion.
Takamori was forced by Kiara from the start, and whether or not Mori is acting or actually doesn't like it, it was cringe.
AmeSame grew in the community because Ame and Gura are comfortable chatting with each other, but turbo retards can't conceive that two characters are only just friends so of course anyone with decent chemistry absolutely MUST be shipped together.

>>11825112
This board seems to think be that indie vtubers are tripping over their own feet to join Hololive for the opportunities Cover gives you but honestly they're looked down upon even by 2viewtubers. Cover was always going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for Council after people saw how Myth was being treated. Getting to join Hololive isn't considered "making it", it's considered selling out.

>>11825044
No wonder HoloEN is not collabing with these "people" lmao, talk about being sore losers

>>11825044
>small collab chances
lol and yet hypocrite beggars wonder why they’ll never get a collab with HoloEN.

>>11804301
What do you expect anon?
do you think the "supposedly" hololive board, cares about male vtubers?

>>11804245
Lol look at this salty 2view. You'll never get a collab, leech, give up.

>>11825414
2views talk a lot of shit but when offered the chance to join any company they take it in a heartbeat. Pomu in her past life talked shit about Nijisanji and Hololive and still became a corporate chuuba.

holo EN management is literal tranny

>>11825414
2views jealously
seethe and pretend "I'm not being rejected by you, you're being rejected by me!"
Westerners excuses are so pathetic.

>>11825691
2views might, but I unironically think that very few vtubers with 3 figures for viewers would join HoloEN given the opportunity

>>11825788
>very few would join
true, they only accept 5 out of thousand applicants afterall

>>11825891
You have no idea how bad the average application is. Literally more than half the people applying haven't ever entertained people in any capacity and are applying as a joke.

>>11825788
Well it's two groups of streamers that wouldn't join HoloEN. The ones complaining the most are the ones most salty about numbers and envious, who totally would join if they got accepted, but know they'll never get accepted so put on a front that they care more about creative freedom and not selling out.
The other group aren't the ones loudly complaining, already have a set view of how they want to do their streams which they've stuck with throughout and Hololive doesn't mesh with, and don't care to change with what they currently have to join a corp.
The people complaining and talking about how much a "black company" cover is are the ones seething who would if they could join in a heartbeat.

>>11826041
This is for a fairly niche corpo by the way, I can only assume it's worse for Holo

>>11826115
It's not about numbers, I've see a vtuber with thousands of viewers outright say that Cover is a "bad company"

>>11826041
>>11826124
I wonder why they don't get directed to Niji, ain't they the best in turning noobs into superstars instead of being hololite

>>11826692
"a vtuber" at least say who

>>11826818
And tank their credibility by outing them on an anonymous gossip board? No thanks

>>11826713
Noob from Japan vs noob from western its like night and day anon, i Mean look at their new have, not even a month and one of them almost got a drama

>>11827013
Which one are you talking about, Eden-gumi or Ethyria?

Enna, stop reading the thread and stop responding to SEAfag shitposters.

>>11828223
NTA but Edengumi has no drama unless you take schizos still mad at Lauren and Lain's debuts

>>11827013
But Nina ain't a noob tho?

>>11825044
>Everyone who's in the big vtuber discords could tell you this.
lmao salty indie tranny languish in no view hell

>>11825414
>but honestly they're looked down upon even by 2viewtubers

>>11806865
Vshojo is better

>>11825691
>Pomu in her past life talked shit about Nijisanji
She always wanted to join Nijisanji
https://files.catbox.moe/xl4yep.webm

>>11799951
>>11799511
>they
If by they you mean Cover and management, then sure. Even the worst Kiara/Bae/whoever stream still easily mogs most NijiEN streamers except for Selen, they have nothing to gain by promoting Nijis and everything to lose. Anyways, people also ignore there's little interest/overlap between the girls except for Kiara/Pomu and maybe Ame/Selen; Gura doesn't give a shit about Petra or Millie, none of them are artists nearly on the level of Ina, none really make music like Mori, etc.

>>11823709
Out of Council, I think Fauna and maybe Bae? follow nijis, I'd have to go back and scour their twitters. Fauna herself seems pretty hesitant about Hololive collabs, let alone anyone outside the company, so nothing's probably going to happen there anytime soon. Bae on the other hand was and is pretty social, if there's someone she's interested in she would probably ask for a collab, but doesn't seem like there is yet.

Hololive is literally irrelevant to me at this point. If they don't collab with nijis then they can stay locked in their gilded cage until inevitably reincarnating as nijisanji anyway. In the end, everything will become nijisanji.

>>11836288
>none really make music like Mori
Do holobronies really? Enna, Reimu, Millie, Elira, Pomu, and Petra all started out as utaites before vtubing.

Mori even put Enna's cover of RIP in the top 15 of her remix contest.

>>11799511
>Is HoloEN's management just that restrictive
yes

>>11836472
This. I'm still rooting for a HoloID collab though

>>11800533

Mori interacts with those who have less subs too.

>>11804903
Source: literally anon's fucking ass.
Holos are not allowed to be members in any stream you retard, not even in each other's.

>>11799511
>I don't understand Hololive and Nijisanji's relationship.
They're a corporations. What's not to understand.

Im pretty sure the only people who would collab with NijiEn from HoloEN is Kiara, Bae, Mori, IRyS, and Fauna. Ina and Sana are a huge question mark, since they seem like they would be ok with of them. The rest (Gura, Amelia, Mumei, and Kronii) are too autistic to even do collabs within their own branch or even with ID and JP and should be contained in the EN bubble

>>11800275
Kiara wants to be an idol though

>>11852035
She should have joined NijiJP they do more idol stuff than Hololive does

>>11800275
>Kiara complaining about people leaving her
>she totally wants less subs guys

>>11834186
>>11828223
I was talking about nobody anon, like how nijisanjiJP get a teacher to stream or hacker to stream, that the noob i'm talking about, the point is, its easest to get noob from Japan and espect them to not fuck up now that getting noob from western, as we know western people is just full of shit in any kind of social media platform, so yeah, its justify for anykara to hired an existing vtuber rather that some random stranger

>>11828223
>>11834186
I was talking about nobody anon, like how nijisanjiJP get a teacher to stream or hacker to stream, that the noob i'm talking about, the point is, its easest to get noob from Japan and espect them to not fuck up now that getting noob from western, as we know western people is just full of shit in any kind of social media platform, making a noob to be successfull is anykara work, but knowing how bad a nobody from English speaking country is, Its just to much for them to handle, so yeah, its justify for anykara to hired an existing vtuber rather that some random stranger

Holo's management is very easy to read. They allow collab only when it benefits them. Why was Kiara and Nyanner approved? Because Kiara is their lowest performing member and Nyanner is the only outsider whose popularity match theirs.
Why did their JP girls all freely collab with Niji males in the early days but shut the door now? Because the girls gained a lot of unicorn fans and the risk started outweighing the gains from allowing them.
Every Holo decision is a business decision. They don't care about what the members actually want.

>>11853727
>hacker
Huh, who? Only computer guy is Yashiro. Mayuzumi isn't an actual hacker.

>>11800275
She's happy with her friends; management needs to lighten up.

>>11799511
The EN managers seem to be really restrictive. They probably don't want to help the competition because HololiveEN is unquestionably performing better and some retards see everything as a zero-sum game.

>>11801195
This is 1000% true.

So this the 2views seething the thread huh

>>11806377
>flopping
You have a really skewed idea of what success is.

>>11807757
Are they filled with people who vacationed together as friends and comforted them when they were crying about being exiled from Japan?

Stop making shit up.

>>11858200
sshhhhh anon!

>>11799511
jp brand friendship has nothing to do with the company, they were all from the same place
en holos just have a nigger as manager that keeps cockblocking the girls

the rest is just nijisanji fans like you being niggers

>>11799511
Well, holo will still try to do collabs holo JP + niji JP, because they want to leech on niji JP's greater popularity. On the other side, I'm on 99.9% sure that we will never see Holo EN (or even Holo JP) collab with Niji EN, because, you know, Hololive, unlike Nijisanji, is too greedy for their popularity and won't share with second biggest agency. The only way for these collabs to happen is if somehow Niji EN will grow bigger or at least comparable to Holo En.
Total popularity means total profit.
JP and West audience separately. Niji JP popularity is greater than Holo JP. In fact, Niji JP popularity is greater than Holo West. The only way Holo beats Niji is Holo JP + Holo West and that's because of Niji's weak ass West popularity (for now at least).
And a couple of words about presence in business world. It's obvious that you are talking off your ass. Holo's business world and circle of contacts is pathetic, compared to Niji. Just take their investors as an example. Cover is getting invested only from a companies, who specialize on investing in a start ups, which really shows that business world sees Holo only as a tiny ass startup. On the other side, huge companies like Sony Music are investing in Nijisani
In addition they don't have a youtube algorithm and anitubers on their side.
Niji fans buy merch and voice packs every month on top of giving SCs for big events, meanwhile Noel can't even sell out her merch. All of the new nijis earned more from their monetization stream than any holos too
Btw, most Nijis can beat holos these days in both viewers and superchats.
They also sell more merch and get more sponsorships thanks to China
Nijisanji has WAY more freedom than Hololive.
>Can play more games
>More sponsors
>Can sing more songs
>3D events not limited to idolshit
>Doesn't force their talents to take singing and dancing lessons
Also, the best part is that currently Nijis earn as much if not more than Holos these days
/vt/ really need to learn the numbers aren't a measurement of quality so much as popularity. And we all know there is some real shit out there that's popular. It also didn't help that Gura pulled big numbers early, so everyone and their mother started mass clipping her to get those sweet sweet views, which exposed her to more people due to how the algorithm works, so she pulled bigger numbers, and the spiral continued.
Nijisanji just didn't put in the effort to expose people over here to the same degree others like Hololive and VOMS Project did. Instead Nijisanji seem to have focused much more on the Asian scene and branched out to the west with an English scene because it was bound to happen. And honestly, I think that's a genuin shame because it hampered some real quality idols.

>>11859293
tldr nijicope

>>11859293
Those sure are some words.

>>11859293
You can only name Sony as an investor of Nijisanji without understanding that it was a one time investment and not a constant pump of money into Anycolor. Ok bro.
There are more sponsors because Nijisanji has literally over double the amount of JP vtubers than Hololive has.
Nijisanji foreign branch of Indonesia has a proactive manager who secures sponsorships, convention appearances, and even held a VR show for their 2nd anniversary, which is all handled nearly totally independently from the JP branch, their numbers aren't great stream wise but their manager knows how to spread ID's name.
Comparing business contacts is kind of funny since again there's over 100 of these motherfuckers, of course they'll know more varied people, as well as their males being popular so they're able to get more male contacts who are usually utaite/musicians, esports pros, lets players, etc. Especially via Apex.
Both Hololive and Nijisanji offer VP and merchandise. Nijisanji pumps out more VPs, more often, but it's hard to use this as a gotcha because there's literally no way to gauge how much money they make off VP. People like Mayuzumi being able to donate 10 million yen consisting of his VP earnings, merch earnings and SC (when he has SC off 99% of the time) can be an indicator to VP success but there's no breakdown of the percentage of how much of the 10 mil came from VPs, never mind the fact that he is one of the most popular livers anyway, who knows what random people like Aizono are earning.
>most Nijis can beat Holos these days in both viewers and superchats
Just not true, there's even a faggot in the number thread tallying the top of the day and you can see Hololive is literally, ALWAYS somewhere on top 10, there are days where Nijisanji doesn't even make it there.
>can play more games
Nijisanji has permissions issues too.
>more sponsors
See above
>sing more songs
EN branch can't even fucking sing English songs, not even unarchive, while ID does it anyway. Selen's trying to get them perms.
>3D events not limited to idolshit
Male 3Ds weren't, and Holos have done 3D content on the main channel that wasn't idolshit at all.
>Doesn't force their talents to take singing and dancing lessons
Every single person in Nijisanji who's been featured in a concert has singing and/or dancing lessons, yes even Kuzuha, yes even Mito, yes even fucking Shibuya Hajime.
>ends his post lamenting there's no EN idols
lol

Copypasta got 3 (you)s wtf

>>11863053
>Nijisanji has permissions issues too.
A lot fewer it seems.
>EN branch can't even fucking sing English songs
And neither can HoloEN. Blame the music labels.

>>11866664
No, HoloEN can sing unarchived, NijiEN cannot sing it unarchived.

>>11867092
If they're singing unarchived, then they don't have permissions. Anyone can sing an unrecorded cover song live.

>>11799511
I wonder when will you stop bumping your dying thread, op

>>11853727
It's amazing despite how the system has been proven in 4 different markets but now they have this severe lack of confidence to be themselves at EN that even though IN was a retarded gamble for Niji, you can tell how confident and comfy they were working on IN than EN as we know now. They went too ambitious on EN and pressured themselves too much that they backfired on their own branding for EN so much that now they'll nothing but hololite wannabees for EN market