/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

i blame the shark

It's a mere shedding the dead skin for a new layer to emerge.

EN ruined vtubing.

Last I checked vshojo was inclining, veibae hits 10k on average now

>>11617986
>Council is shit
>Niji3 is shit
>Vshoujo is stale
Gee i wonder

>>11617986
Because my cock that's why

>OP's testosterone levels declining
>OP's estrogen levels inclining

Because it has always been a niche. The covid boom is artificial and is wearing off.

>>11618095
OP will be auditioning soon

>>11617986
Coronachan buff is ending.

>>11617986
>Vshojo declining
They're not

>>11618074
Exactly. It's more like
>Youtube vtubing - declining
>Twitch vtubing - inclining

>>11617986
over? it's been over

>>11617986
serious answer : genuinity, the main concept which raised hololive to the top of the mountain, is now slowly decaying and people are gradually becoming aware of it. just right before the dark age of vtubing (2017-2018), people who initially interested in vtubers are slowly getting away because of how stale their contents are and also due to the nature of the talents. early shitposts such as fubuki scatman, etc. brought those people back, as well as many new audience because it gives them the impression that these talents aren't as stale as their predecessors. but alas, corpos gradually show their true color and ironically pulling everything backwards towards the dark age.

>>11617986
>Vshojo declining
theyre not

>>11618074
Exactly. Western style vtubing is inclining. Yes they make toilet jokes but it's what entertains the twitch kiddies. Japanese corporation/ idol style is rapidly declining but ON THE WEST. Nips still watch hololive

>>11618171
This. People are slowly starting to go out more.

>>11618283
Theory: does Vtubing correlate with the crypto market?

>>11618075
>Council is shit
>Niji3 is shit
It cant possibly be management making shitty hiring decisions. Nah, blame the talent, blame the audience, its never the management.

>>11618341
>Exactly. Western style vtubing is inclining.
Which of the\ EN startups on the incline? Which ones are on the decline?

>>11618341
This. Vtubers like Selen and Ollie will rise up among EN speaking fans because they are twitch-like.
>>11618397
Shouldn't hire former vtubers as much this late in the game.

>>11618381
Answer: No, almost everyone here is just as stupid as cryptocucks are.

>>11618397
Those two are shit and yet nobody outside of fucking Crunchyroll have been able to debut someone that can pass 1k viewers. Maybe the EN talent pool isn't good?

>>11618381
absolutely not. but if you're joking around and talking about /nasfaqq/, then yes. and also if you're talking about the corpos themselves, then yes. but it pretty much has no correlation to the vtubing market itself.

>>11617986
>Nijisanji declining
>Total median of peaks increased
Why are you lying OP? Hololive asides, even though NijiEN's peaks might be lower for some livers, their total increased. Selen easily broke 4k on a normal, non-collab stream earlier. They are inclining

>>11617986
>la disminucion
Do we need this thread everyday?
Let's see how the beginning of 2022 goes at least

>>11618046
>>>/jp/

>>11618457
Thats why they shouldn't hire former vtubers so much now

>>11618430
>Startups
Doesn't matter if most of this incline is taking place on twitch. I've seen cliques of indies on twitter where there's been debuts within the last month or two to three digit viewer numbers, and they're growing. American chuubas /vt/ doesn't even know exist, and who probably don't know /vt/ exists either. /vt/'s schizo unicorn idolfag culture - obsessions over boyfriends, past lives, roommate accounts etc. - will only serve to drag down what it likes, while western/twitch style vtubing will incline and potentially overshadow the smaller startups /vt/ claims to care about, and potentially even NijiEn and HoloEN in time.

>Homostars chads inclining and winning

>>11617986

>>11617986
Will we be absorbed back to /jp/ if vtubing declined hard enough?

>>11618736
/mlp/ still has a containment board for some reason so unlikely

>>11618667
Good luck finding good westerners that turn down facecam streaming

>>11618717
It's not in stagnation anymore

>>11618736
You know how Shonenfags used to be bullied out of /a/ way back in the day? Vshojo+ will eventially overshadow /hlgg/. Nijiniggers won't be shat on by holobronies anymore, newfags will ironically be like "Nijisanji? What's that?"

>>11617986
Vshojo is inclining though. It's just Hololive and Niji who have issues.

>>11618781
Get weirdos like Cali. Fucking white girl that likes rap and thought going to Japan to pursue that shit was something she should do. Like what? Grab those crazies. Coinflip on them.
>>11618686
There's a bunch who are former traditional streamers turned vtuber tho.

>>11617986
Honestly? Youtube.
It was never a streaming plateform, they just added it as a bonus, their discoverability for streams is awful and in general Twitch is just much more suited for Streams despite what /vt/ circlejerk of holofags thinks.

>>11618949
Holofags wanted more twitch. Look at how many anons gave a fuck about Artia in /jp/ because she streamed on twitch before the China drama and her being real raaaaat.

>>11618949
>>11619115
nice try vshitter glowies. but fortunately no one's moving to your shithole.

>>11617986
No more innovation. All the big corpos are stagnant and do nothing new. They bring on "new" people, who do the same things the old people were already doing, bringing in no one new.

It's pretty telling that Nijisanji decided to enter the EN market but their offerings are basically Hololive lite but they can talk about sex and men. Vtubing needs a big shake up to bring in new people.

>>11618949
Youtube may have the worst possible emote system but youtube's is still the bigger platform. It brings more eyes.

>>11617986
Covid vaccine

>>11619185
Bring video skits back. I dont give a fuck about numberfags. They need to be back.

>>11619185
This talk already came up in Kson threads. There's not much vtubers can do compared to real life streamers. They can do 3D and try to do weird shit but its never going to be as good as the traditional streamers. Stuff like Jerma's dollhouse stream, shitcamp, dumb Just Chatting streams, etc. Vtubing is actually limiting despite you having a "virtual" body. Maybe go back to the 4-kings era and just do normal videos/skits.

>>11619257
Youtube is a better platform for large streamers
Twitch is a better platform for small streamers
its that simple

>>11618860
That's true but those crazies are few and far between. You're more likely to get boring people.

>>11619287
Maybe once traditional streaming falls below normal youtube shit like the old days. All you get now is shit like Hologra/whatever Niji's 3D show is called and any other thing doing the Gamebu shit.

>>11618046
Ywnbj

>>11619257
That's not how it works, first vast majority of users go to check videos not streams and never see the glimpse of a stream ever even recommended.
And because it has so much content already, the eyes are much much more diluted between all eyes.
While people coming to Twitch are here for streams, research only shows streams, it has very good categories + effective network tools etc.

>>11619185
Better hope the Wave 4 gamble works out

>>11619541
The male wave? It will because while EOPs talk like they know/watch shit, they actually don't. Despite Nijimales doing well, they still think males can't work in vtubing. So once an EN male wave comes out, EOPs will watch and praise it as some groundbreaking thing.

I took the small corpo pill months ago but, looking through their stats for this thead and...
Isn't this just a rrat?
Sure, it's not as fast as it was last year or anything but, Gura and Ina are inclining relative to where they were months ago, and the others are more or less stable.
Please don't tell me that you're looking at live views, which are obviously hit since people are going back to work, instead of VOD views, cuz that's not really how this works.

t. former holofag

>>11619180
I don't really care for numbers personaly, I just watch (mostly) indies on both platforms. I've watched streams for 8 years already, nowadays mostly vtubers.

Even if youtube has some advantages, most of this board opinion on that is completely wrong and heavily biased. Yes, as far as growth goes, Twitch is incredibly better for indies, and can be better for corpo depending on other factors.

>>11619829
Twitch is better. Look at how much cash Pekora and Miko got by barely doing anything. Its only not as good if youtube makes a bigger offer.

Niggersanji EN murdered any interest people had by flooding the market. We've reached Chuuba hyperinflation

>>11617986
>but why
holoEN is barely streaming

>>11618717
Its this but it keeps going up
Vtuber superchats each month keep rising and rising with 0 signs of stopping
OP is a fucking retard

>>11619960
>Oh, a well-supported alterantive to Hololive? Maybe I can find something different or new there?
>It's exactly the same thing light, 0 risk taken, going for the pre existing HoloEN audience.
oh well

>>11618360
im not though so

>>11618823
delusional nijibrony. hang yourself

>>11619960
Anon, they have the same amount of members HoloEN has. Hell they're short 1 member, and the talent whenever they do an expo always go on record stating they dont expect their fans to watch every member. Its more about filling in niches.

>>11620123
What do you mean? NijiEN3 got the very first corporate political activist that spreads SJW propaganda in their branch
You wont find that anywhere else

Has there ever been a good post made with the "le tired chuuba" edits?

>>11617986
>but why?
Because it just had an explosion of popularity, and now that the public has moved on its going back down to its true levels.
It will probably blow up again with Gen 3 EN whenever that happens, and then it will die down again and so on.
Also council was dissapointing.

>>11620123
There are many alternatives to Hololive out there.

>>11618860
Vtubing is for the unhinged and insane. Hiring normalfags will always produce mediocre content. Give me my madmen.

>>11620262
Not one, always terrible....

Everyone that isn't Hololive is Hololive lite, the hobby is dead.

How exactly are they declining when more has happened in 2021. Are you even aware of all the concerts and invitations? Hololive was a guest on TV and some Nijis were at an irl Project Sekai tournament. Now both Holo and Niji are going to be on tv again but this time together. Lots of vsingers are hosting lives & concerts. Indies are increasing in quality.

>>11620345
The truth is that there aren't enough vtubers viewers. We don't have the limitless pool like traditional streamers.

>>11620588
All that shit are just the rewards from 2020.

>>11620588
Numbers are down. It's dead and oversatura-
>Indies are increasing in quality
Oh you're just retarded.

>>11619419
I am honorary Japanese and there is nothing u can do about it

>>11620698
If numbers are down how did Kronii get more superchats the first month that Myth did

>>11620208
>Its more about filling in niches.
nijiEN fucked up tho, they are hiring the same type of vtuber from one circle friend, only Selen stands out because she is a outsider of the group and has twitch type of content. Anon was right, the twitch type streamer will incline while the idol-like type is declining

You schizos couldn't stop tribalfagging, the fans that wanted to just enjoy the content without any kind of stupid made up drama couldn't just do that so they left

>>11621253
Petra and Finana fill their own niches

>>11621466
surprise, them and Selen are all non nepotism hire

>>11621466
Pretty sure they have whores at vshojo already, so no they dont

>>11620813
Because redditors basically came in their pants for hearing a pretty typical female voice for the first time, in vtubing at least. They were only hyped up because everyone else was, so she got a fuck tonne of money from it. It was a one-off clusterfuck of misdirected testosterone and faggotry.

>>11621524
The Pomu clique are hololarpers anyway.

>>11621604
Western vtubers shouldn't try the stupid-ass moe chipmunk voice. It doesn't work for the English language. Should be to everyone who still tries to be anime.

>>11621615
>Hololarper
??

>>11621253
I'd take nepotism hires over the fox any day of the week

>>11617986
The combined CCV audience for all of vtubing on youtube is like 200k-300k people.

>>11621253
Twitch-type will win because just look at their streamers (not just vtubers). Want to get numbers? Get as close to being a traditional streamer. Vtubing is limiting for numbers.

>>11621664
Whats Gura's voice? Thats good. Thats how you do an EN loli voice. I don't think she's even trying to do a loli voice but she nailed it. Even though its someone pretending to be a loli you can actually see her as a loli char instead of someone trying to play a loli character.

>>11620698
I'm sorry your only point of view of indies are Americans on Twitch. In fact this entire thread reads like people whos pulse on vtubing is focused on Holomyth and accessories.

>>11617986
More sponsored streams.
The girls are making more money from SC now than before.
Hours watched have increased.
More merch being released and sold out immediately.
Vod views and clips have seen an increase in viewership.

>Declining
Are you retarded?

>>11621664
Except it does work. You just need to be a full on cunnyseur and not a fake one like certain 2 other "cunny" that just debuted

>>11621850
See:
>>11621777
It's literally just Gura and select others.

>>11621831
Hololive is the center of western vtubing and have influenced almost every other group

>>11621850
Ethyria's problem was that they had the cunny models already, but they had to hire Elira and Petra's friends and none of them could do a loli voice.

>this doomposting again

>>11621900
Who are the others? She's like the only one I've heard who nails it and not just for vtubers. For game dubs and anime dubs too.

>>11622004
I don't give a fuck about Western vtubing, since indies in other languages are doing just fine. If Americans want to be boring leeches they can stop being surpised they're "declining".

>>11617986
Where are the numbers?

>>11622272
Oh you're talking about irrelevant whores.

>>11622281
Just speculation

>>11622206
Lily Hops!

>>11622281
If there is a gura image in the OP then there is a 120% chance whatever was posted is pure bait

>>11617986
>OP's neuron count declining
ogey

>>11620431
Based.
The real kayfabe was getting crazy people behind avatars and passing them off as streamers playing a character.

>>11618823
Jesus man, your meds.

>>11622359
Her accent's? not doing it for me. But its better than most. The thing about loli voices is that not all JPs can do it. Last year there was a trend among JP Holos to do loli voices and you could tell who were good and who had no idea no idea what they were doing except changing their pitch a little.

>>11618151
could OP be Kronii?

I hate minecraft

>>11623033
People were begging for it during the Ark days. Maybe Ark will go back to life next year. APEX will always be there because its the national esports game for Japan. What was the next short trend game like Animal Crossing and MHR were?

>>11618381
That is not heavily related at all

>>11617986
I don't see recline. A steady growth and maintaining of audience is what i see, Ur just a newfag who saw the explosion in 2020 and thinks it's normal growth. Now we are slowly getting to normal growth. Granted gura still gets crazy amount of subs so we are not at the plateau yet.

>>11618499
Can't into numbers

>>11623219
show me your regression then, JERK

>>11617986
>Council flopped
>Ethyria flopped
How did these three manage to squeak by?

>>11619912
I really wonder if Cover worked out an exclusive deal with Youtube. I mean they have to have at this point right?

>>11623645
The best apex player in nijisanji
A fighting game enthusiast
and whatever petra is

>>11617986
People can go outside again. I spent all day at a Renaissance Festival a couple days ago.

>>11623645
>the best member of nijisanji was a literal 2view indie and got in based on talent and not nepotism

>>11624462
Vsaikyou/CR Cup here we gooooooo

>>11619829
you may be right but twitch culture and the big twitch vtubers make it not worth it

>>11624297
>The best apex player in nijisanji
>A fighting game enthusiast
being unique

>>11618716
They have been playing 5d chess since the beginning

>>11623645
>extroverted chad
>cynical cutesy gremlin
>penguin
>fantastic designs
>great song
>underdog secondaries buff
>rough around the edges in a way that makes them stand out as memorable
Selen hard carries the gen, but they resemble the rugged, delinquentesque archetype of a boss flanked by her two lieutenants. Obsydia is considered a package deal gen while Lazulight is more a handful of randos doing idol things together.

As a contrast, gen 3 is the "throw everything into the pot" gen. There didn't seem to be any forethought, planning or strategy. Just "we have these characters and need some warm bodies to stuff into our virtual skinsuits." It comes off as logistically lazy, and nobody's sure what the point of Gen 3 even is.

>>11624630
Nailed it. I don't watch Selen outside of collabs but Obysdia together is great. Those three are a complete meal.

>>11617986
It’s called “saturation” anon.

Hololive should have never released gen 5 nor En 2.

>>11624542
Dont act like there's many chuubas out there who play tekken 7

>>11624714
Gen 5 is literally looked down upon, Lamy is Rushia lite, Botan is high tier, polka can fuck off though

>>11624776
Ogey boardreader

>>11624776
Gen 5 is looked down on due to a janitor joke that people attribute to Lamy but it actually was Polka who made it. JPs still seethe about it.

>>11617986
Vshojo has been inclining retard. In the end, they will be the ones standing on Hololive’s and Nijisanji’s smoldering corpses. With any luck my oshi can get out of Nijisanji and join the real winners.

>>11624776
Fuck off. Polka is great.

>>11624630
Gen 3 literally has 3 people who knew each other before debut, two to them also tied to Elira and one to Petra, their collab was literally brats bantering. The fox is the only one who doesn't belong yet but she's been trying.
It's a different dynamic but it has its appeal.

>>11624838
With as many poopooo peepee jokes they say and the fact one and half of them post porn on the internet I'd hope they're attracting mouthbreathers on twitch

>>11624906
Seethe, cope, and dialate you holobrony/nijinigger

>>11624630
Gen 3 are 3 cute brats and their mom. They're good in collabs so far.

>>11624838
>implying that better chuubas won't overtake them because they can do more than sex jokes
NGMI

>>11624906
Why are you replying to an obvious false flagger?

>>11624776
Taking her past into consideration Polka really has to be seen as a flop.
>B-But her numbers
Not even good and she's at the bottom of her gen

>>11624630
>Selen hard carries the gen
only if you like apex

>>11624630
Selen does more then carry her wave. She carries the entire branch

>>11617986
Baizuo stopped caring about vtubing when their Based™ anti-China dragon quit.

>>11618499
Selen benefited from establishing a core support from apex fans and casual fans after collabing with many streamers and vtubers. She is also genuinely entertaining and infectious personality, something other members could not replicate.

>>11625005
>he doesn’t know

>>11625024
>aking her past into consideration Polka really has to be seen as a flop
Why? Nobuhime wasn't that big.

>>11621777
LilyHopkins
Moryugao
Celesse CH
ChibiDoki
NekumaVT
Sleepy_Sakura_
KamikoKana
Seu Amatsuka
minaimaki
theres dozens more but these seem to have the accurate types of loli voices

Prostitution arc soon?
>lewd voice packs
>only fans with risque images of chuubas
>high-tier members get access to roommate zatsudan/strip-teasing streams

>>11624846
>Ruined sex design
>Menhera
>Doesn't bring a lot of superchat
>Ran out of plans for the future
>Shit at singing
>Should be the clow with all her theme, gets outclowned by an orange retard
>Makes fun of janitors and gets her genmates in danger

>>11625163
Only when they hire a proud hentai artist

>>11625113
She wasn't a 2 view and should've been bigger than whos like Lamy and Nene

>>11625096
I know that you're a faggot who likes talking out of his ass almost as much as taking it in the ass

>>11625181
i know youre retarded but polka is far sexier a design than nobuhime who was generic girl with pink hair

>>11625216
Bro in the 4kings era. If you weren't on oyabun/4kings, you were no different than a 2view vtuber. People still shat on Yua despite her numbers technically being better than most but shit doesn't matter. Maybe if she had those numbers but was an IRL streamer instead. These were the pre-streaming days of vtubers before Mito triumphed over the old era.

Its basic math

The pool of viewers is not growing fast enough to supply all the new amount of vtubers. The era of buying a cute avatar and playing minecraft to earn 6 figures is fading, which is unironically a good thing. Now they will have to compete.

>muh Vshojo is fine because of western normalfags and potty humor
Holy shit, the cope of retarded Holobronies. No faggots, the reason they do better is their platform. In the west, you use Twitch to stream. HoloEN would do better on Twitch, would gain attention via Youtube with clips and shit, and Hololive EN management honestly needs to do better and let these girls do something other than play fucking Minecraft, especially because they don't do even half the shit JP Holos do, like voice acting and dance lessons.
If the girls could collab at least once a week, have chill days where it's a mix of zatsudan and reacting to shit, and they could play shit other than MC and they did this via Twitch, they'd overtake Vshojo or at least give them a run for their money.

>>11625269
You dumbfuck I'm talking about her 2nd outfit, it's shit, her new hair? The shittiest

>>11625146
So. I couldn't find NekumaVT, Sleepy or minaimaki or youtube but I've watched a bit of all the others and Lily's probably the closest among that list, the rest don't hit the right way imo.

>>11625407
Timezones are fucked for HoloEN and probably NijiEN too. We also don't know if Cover/AnyColour have a deal with youtube or not.

>>11625536
Here's their links:
https://www.twitch.tv/nekumavt
https://twitter.com/minaimaki
https://twitter.com/_lil_sakura

>>11625716
Put the wrong link for Nekuma:
https://twitter.com/NekumaVT
I think there's more:
https://twitter.com/moenaomii

>>11625603
Sadly, Cover itself is also an issue. Too rigid, wants to keep EN for exposure with none of benefits that JP chuubas get, and wants what works in Japan to work for the EN branch, which is not the case. Honestly, I can see Cover just dissolving EN rather than flex the rules and give them a fighting chance. No way a Nip corporation will bend the knee for us gaijin, because as it stands you can only get so much exposure and money from people that like anime (most Vtuber fans) when you just try to appeal to people who wish they were Japanese (Holobronies) like cover does.

>>11625853
>No way a Nip corporation will bend the knee for us gaijin
They already did by letting Haato and Coco stay after their blunders.

>>11625954
>Coco
She was let go. Haachama hasn't, and she IS Japanese.

>>11617986
>CyberLive inclining
>Phase-Connect inclining
Big Corpo is done, buy Small Corpo now!

Kill yourself. Nothing more boring that top callers that immediately disappear when new highs are made.

>>11626039
>was let go
*left on her own accord. I WISH she was sacked, and Haato, the day they showed their analytics. Instead, Cover chose to appeal to the Western, baizuo "value" of freedom above all else, despite its failures being obvious to anyone with eyes and ears.

>>11626167
you will never be chinese

>>11626204
Sadly.

>>11617986
Hmm

>>11618341
Try watching clips with subtitles next time so you see the absolute degeneracy JP chuubas talk about faggot

>>11623320
This. Zoomers like OP are brain-dead with a goldfish memory

>>11618335
unfortunately

>>11617986
>>Nijisanji declining
It's inclining though?

>>11618451
>twitch-like
i like that euphemism for loud and obnoxious

>>11627336
>didn't even take off until the HoloEN Debut
THE ETERNAL LEECH

>>11623320
>>11628120
/thread
>>11617986
>braindead OP consumer starts an open-ended falseflag thread because VTubing isn't at "2020 boom" levels
Why are people like this allowed to post on this board. At most we're at the plateau stage but everything's far from crashing down (for now). If you're not as retarded as this comes off, have your (you) for baiting the doomposters, tribalists and numberfags all at the same time.

>>11629901
It's either doomposts or gossip threads

>>11617986
It's what happens when you base your entire culture around a block game. They better pick a backup game to latch on to fast before the kid viewers start growing up.

>>11629782
Most EN chuubas have to thank their luck that Hololive's first EN branch had Gura and Cali+her debut song and not the Council girls or any of the NijiEN girls. You gotta make an impact for the first one or else it'll be tough for those that come after to catch the waves.

>>11623645
lmao the only one of those that didn't hard tank in viewership after debut is selen. and that's only because nijisanji is apexsanji and she collabed with every a ton of popular apex players like kanae

Oh dear. How will girls make a million dollars per year now? All they have left is OF. :-(

>>11624849
>but she's been trying
Are we done with the collab finally? Can I go?

>>11624776
>Gen 5 is literally looked down upon
By WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
SOURCE YOUR CLAIMS

>>11624630
Really make me thing
Nepotism hire was a mistake

I think the "Vtubing is going to take over the world" people were just, absurdly optimistic.
Vtubing is just a narrow slice of the anime fandom, but in all honesty i'm not watching as much hololive and others because theres a lot of upcoming indies i've started to enjoy.

I got gateway-d, I don't actively dislike anyone, but i only have a finite amount of time.

>>11624776
Gen 5 is unironically best gen

Because only SEA viewers are the only ones left to watch the streams.

>>11630749
pengin...

>>11625373
Be unique or graduate

SEA fags killed the EN Youtube scene. No one wants to be around them.

only thing that's worse are the video games, most of the girls in holo are improving in a lot of ways.

>>11618283
>the dark age of vtubing (2017-2018)
I'm glad you put that at the beginning so I didn't have to read the rest of whatever you think that you think

>>11617986
Because Hololive is a bad ambassador for the Vtubing scene as a whole. They're lazy, uncreative, and are inconsistent. They literally bore new viewers out of the scene.

>>11633900
Based, SEA btfo

>>11631625
The gen 5 schizo, of course.

Hey what happened to the delutaya threads that used to be on this board? Are they a bannable offense now or something?

>get rid of your #1 earner
>company goes to shit
>Kson is thriving with the best model right now
Yagoo is a dumb faggot.

>subs go up, stream quality goes down.
you can't explain that!

Hololive hasn't had a good hire since Pekora.

Nijisanji hasn't had a good hire since Fuwa.

>>11636102
>What is Edengumi

The ironic part is the JP side of those 2 are still thriving.

>>11638929
I think it's Japanese for Elden Ring

>>11617986
1)corona buff gone
2)graduation of one of the most well known and visible talents reminded people that corporate Vtubing is still corporate after-all
3)Most of the indies that started during or after 2020 were just jumping on a hyped up craze, market overflowed with low effort content and lowered overall perception of the genre
4)breaching into the lowest levels of the mainstream collective consciousness attracted some of the worst types of fans which wouldn't shut the fuck up about it and drove non-fans to hating the genre from the over-exposure permanently poisoning outsiders perception. e.g. undertale, steven universe, MLP, homestuck, and k-pop.

>>11625436
Litterally unsubbed when I saw that carcrash of an outfit. Even the emergency 3rd outfit wasnt great.

>>11635967
>thriving
>3 hours after airing the show aping after her most iconic content
>still not even 70k view yet.
>20 minute of slapdash cobbled together call-in, western meme and poor introduction.
So much for that creativity freedom, huh.

>>11617986
what do you mean? holo jp is fine

>>11617986
>oh no! instead of making a million dollars a year they only make $500,000!!!
>what will we dooooo!?!??!

>>11617986
People wants to watch something new, wants to have closer relationship with chuba. They try to search on YouTube for smaller vtubers, algorithm is being retarded and shows only big names. They try Twitch.

They stay on Twitch and never look back.

Hand grabbing that lamp was a pretty kino moment.

>>11617986
>Vshojo declining
wtf are you talking about they are growing really nice, they had i think 3 of them hit 10k viewers just last week and in multiple streams without big raids or hosts

>>11650005
ye. pink cat big

>>11641279
>creativity freedom
That just meant showing her real tits.

>>11617986
I wouldn't say it's over OP. Those that remain after the hobby loses mainstream appeal will be either really dedicated oshis or really dedicated fanbases. For example, do you really see Selen and her dragons going anywhere for a while?

Time will filter out the bandwagoners and what we'll have afterward is quality.

>>11650273
>>11641279
her numbers are lower as expected but as soon as she went indie she got one of if not the best live2d model ot there and she can use something more advanced than 2017 tracking technology

>>11629782
What? Her growth began in July, which is when she debuted the pink cat model. EN's debut was in September.

>>11650005
The can't all sustain 10k at the same time though, not really issue as they don't usually overlap too much.

>>11650005
minecraft buff is real. Before that they were declining.

>>11653364
Nyanners is streaming minecraft for the second time this year right now

>>11625181
>muh janirinos
Found the commie jannie tranny. Janitors like your dad are bottom tier Loser faggots and rightfully an object of ridicule just like the tranny jannies here

It's fall, and people are going back to work/school.

>>11617986
Faggots just starting to filter out themselves
>bandwagoners
>normies
>memefags
>EOPlebs
>politards
>fake tatsunocucks that are a combination of 2 or more above

>>11618381
It correlates to the money printing actually, as all things.

>>11654364
imagine unironically thinking that giving more power to powercuckfans(you) and filtering out potential new audiences(bandwagoners and normies) is good.

>>11656426
>imagine unironically thinking that giving more power to mere bandwagoners and normies with no staying and spending power, and not filtering out potential faggots(you) into the fanbase is good.

>>11624630
you dragonfags are like the cumbuds of holoen numbers doesn't equal cuteness

>>11617986
got a job no time to watch, sorry

>>11624630
>Lazulight is more a handful of randos doing idol things together.
Lazulight > Obsydia collabs
This much is true and you can't deny it. Even Obsydia girls bounce off better with the Lazulight girls than other Obsydia girls.