/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Eggchizo thread

>>11612810
For the exact same reason people feel uncomfortable around clingy people. When I watch someone else it feels like relaxing and shooting the shit, with Kiara it feels like there's too much emotional baggage wrapped up in things.
The very fact she'd go to her viewers like this and ask "Why am I not popular?" is representative of the larger issue

>>11612810
>[SERIOUS]

>>11612810
never seen her eyes this close before, it's kinda neat

>>11612810
Why is she coping in the clip? Why are all of her fans such simps?

>>11612810
ignore the insecure kfp troons dilating

>>11612810
If you want numbers just play Minecraft instead of RPGs
You can't have it both ways to do what you like and get thousands of views

>>11612905
I can agree, she just always comes across as kind of desperate.

>>11613087
Yes. I am egg. I hate Kiara and love Gura. I really love Gura. Kiara should kill herself.

>>11612905
good post

Smaller point but in the case Kiara actually monitors this place- work on your thumbnail game.
If I go to Kiara's page and just glance at all the videos it's a visual mess. Overly bright clashing colors, fonts all over the place, game titles are smaller than they should be and placed in odd areas. It's like a truck of orange creamsicles melted on a gamestop that got hit by a tornado.
Go reference a channel like Gura's for comparison - visually quiet thumb nails, simple and cute designs with even colors, game title draws the eye first due to prominence and size on the thumbnail.
Kiara's thumbnails have a massive readability issue which does not help things.

Because she’s boring.

>>11613087
Riddle me this, KFPoop. If there's only one fat schizo hating Kiara then how come she gets Nijinigger tier viewers despite having a million subs and has to beg ppl not to leave her streams? Obviously you can't answer this so go empty your paycheck on her so that you can cope with superchat numbers(something Kiara doesn't care about since he values the antis more than her fans lol)

>>11613087
>Kiara's real life voice actor
Nobody cares about that most people who don't like her just think she sounds annoying.

>>11612810
it's just the nature of things. either you have it, or you don't. it's that simple

>>11612810
I think the problem is she's trying too hard to be the gen leader which leads to the 'MEMEME' stuff, but at the same time nobody else in her gen can/wants to do it
>Calli and Ina were always there to draw attention to their arts, even if the former failed at it
>Gura is just there to have fun and make cash on the side
>Ame is a raging gremlin, who is also probably cursed.
It's just a case of bad luck that she's the only one who cares enough to get Gen 1 involved in events like the MK race and the EN Among Us and as such she's seen as an attention whore.
Though her attitude still doesn't help

>>11612979
>It's real
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/2500332/#2501590

Lmao, these Lolcow shitters are obsessed

Play more Minecraft. I know Kiara loves her JRPGs, but facts are facts and they're debuff games.

I posted the pics, who is Kiara?

>>11612810
>[SERIOUS]
Can we talk about the faggotry of clipniggers instead?
Yes?
Because fuck those people.

it's the inevitable holorecline, i recommend her to scrounge whatever supachas and sponsorships she can get and then bail before going down with the ship

kson made it work

>>11613251
Eggs got bullied out of lolcow for being too obnoxious.

>>11613298
>kson made it work
Coco was the most Superchatted being in the history of YouTube.
Bootstraps lol.

>>11613184
Nice try shitter.
Different Vtubers get different strengths.
Gura gets subs.
Calli gets MV videos with 10M+ views often
Kiara is one of 2nd most superchatted, just like Sana who also has low viewership but high SC. Kiara also gets game sponsors and the most collabs.

>>11613230
One of the main reasons is that her JP senpais are numberfag cunts who favor her EOP genmates to someone fluent like Kiara that could boost her a lot. How many times a JP senpai invited Kiara to collab? It's almost always Kiara dragging them in. Meanwhile all top JP members constantly bombard Gura and Calli with collab requests

In the end it doesnt really matter.

>>11613298
>kson made it work
She’s had one sponsorship from a company desperately trying to maintain its JP market share and her numbers outside milestone streams are dwindling.
“made it work” is peak cope. She’s barely done anything since graduation except stripping and meme reviews.

>>11613230
Ina joined to make friends, because she was burning herself out and dying of loneliness, not to draw attention to her already successful art career.

>>11613280
Fuck minecraft, that shit got boring pretty fast over a year ago and she's planing on playing other genres soon.

>>11613351
>Kiara is one of 2nd most superchatted
She's the 20th most superchatted, which is still good, don't know where you're pulling 2nd from. Out of your ass, I'd presume.

>>11613140
And she's in Hololive. Probably had expectations of being a top dog, but alas that's not turning out to be the case.

Holy samefagg

>>11613298
Yes, let's pretend the entirety of the Hololive audience doesn't know that Kson is Coco and her success in Hololive didn't carry over. Retard.

>>11612810
I read from book with influences from Taoism that people can detect try-hardness and it's as if it lacks genuineness causing the lack of appeal. It's recommended to do wuwei, effortless action, being natural. It's probably why Ayame is popular. She doesn't put in effort.

We could be trying to grasp at straws and come up with a thousand excuses as to why she doesn’t get as many viewers anymore but truth be told, she’s just not entertaining. She never was, she says it happens to streamers sometimes, and she’s right. The thing is that she’s only been doing this for a year now. Her losing viewers after only a year of making content is a huge red flag.

>>11613298
>implying Kiara will

In fact you can check her YouTuber channel and see how that's doing.

>>11613429
Maybe he means EN or at least Gen 1?
She's certainly not even 2nd in Hololive as a whole when Pekora, Rushia, Marine and Miko exist.

>>11613448
Objectively false. She may be annoying but her streams are more fun to watch than Ina, Ame or Calli

>>11613429
Numbers don't lie. Minecraft brings in the highest numbers by far.

Unironically her timeslot.
She's apparently really popular among SEAniggers. But after she moved away from Japan she lost pretty much every single SEAnigger, and possibly whatever JP audience she had.

>>11613507
>annoying
>fun
Do realize the contradiction here.

>>11613490
As far as Holos go, Rushia, Pekora, Marine, Aqua, Kanata, Lamy, Korone, Flare, Watame, Mori, Miko, Matsuri and Noel are all above her.

>>11613359
actually its the opposite. they like to do more collabs with gura/mori because they dont care much about numbers like kiara and have an open welcoming stance with no pressure to increase numbers. whereas kiara makes it too important and too numbers focused that it just doesnt seem welcoming, especially to people who arent in your generation. there's a reason they will keep collabing with ame and gura and mori even though their japanese is shit. the other 3-4 non-kiaras in holoEN have emotional and social IQ to cover their language IQ. kiara doesnt have the social/empathy IQ

>>11612810

Because she's just flat out annoying. Horrible voice and obnoxious personality. Working hard will not save her.

>>11613385
She has 900k subscribers and is doing pretty well in terms of CCV and VOD views. A lot of her Japanese paypigs carried over and she’s only been at it for 3 months. She’s doing pretty good.

>>11613184
Kiara debuffs herself playing JRPGs because she loves them and can make more money than your entire family just by lazily playing what she loves.
The strongest NijiEN playing buff games barely gets more viewers than her.
When Kiara does not play JRPGs she gets numbers even Selen can't reach. Pic related is some random cutesy game I've had never heard of before she streamed it.
She literally got more peak viewers during yesterday's guerilla SC reading than she got for most of her Tales of Arise streams. JRPGs are the mother of all debuffs.

Was KFP for a year, but spending time watching Council has built up an intolerance for her voice.
I can't watch her or collabs now, because her voice is so piercing and obnoxiously loud. After seeing how good other fanbases had it with soft, gentle, pleasing audio ... I just couldn't take it anymore. That's all. Nothing to do with her personality.
She just never got her mic settings right.

She's shit, what's new

>>11613087
Jesus Christ, you kfps are delusional and desperate
You are just as menhera and as paranoid as your oshi

>>11613507
>annoying
>more fun
Choose between the two Egg, this is simply a cope LMAO

>>11613294
Well I mean "Kiara" and "serious" don't really belong in the same title/sentence anyway. That channel is full of bait titles anyway.

>>11613660

>>11613488
see on kson's youtube career before coco's graduation, it was equally unremarkable

>>11613602
Her VOD views from a quick look are all lower than what she was getting as Coco, she's definitely losing out on more casual fans without carrying the Hololive branding. That doesn't really mean shit when her hardcore fans keep chucking their money at her, of course.

why not pull a kson and go solo? if she's not happy being 1 in 100000 to be fortunate enough to be in hololive then she shouldn't be there

>>11613636
false fag

>>11613359
>>11613576
The two of you will post proof about JPs bombarding Gura and Mori with collab requests next thread, right?

She is also one of the only Hololive hires that never really made content related to what Hololive does. Most Holos have a trackrecord of content creation, she does too, just in a different form. Her skills probably can’t really carry over to a streaming job.

>>11613618
>JRPGs are the mother of all debuffs.
Kuzuha got more viewers when he was playing BotW than his Apex streams. It's only a debuff if you suck at it

>Lessen the amount on streaming
>Each stream be under 3-4 hrs
>Do compilations or more shorts
>Have a buff game once a week
>Re-adjust her schedule

I'm not really familiar on how you improve as a streamer besides being entertaining.

>HololiveEN Clips - ホロライブ英語クリップ
Fuck off shill

The ironic part about the egg meme is that Kiara will never make use of hers, lel

>>11613719
she is already tasting the waters on this

>>11613791
This is the part where they post cope about how Japs will watch that shit more than Kiara's western weeb fanbase who eat up anything Japanese.

>>11613791
I know it's said Kiara antis watch her more than most of her fans do - but did she seriously brainwash you that much you just counted Zelda as a JRPG, anonchama?

>>11612810

Honestly, if her voice wasn't so loud and piercing she would be watchable. Have her take a voice class, or something. Also play more games people actually want to see.

>>11613718
Yeah of course she’s not going to get the same numbers as coco but she’s doing fine especially considering she’s been at it for 3 months and just got an actual Live2D model. You can’t expect to make 300 collabs, have 6000 sponsorships and the likes in the span of 3 months. And yeah she managed to keep her paypigs so that’s that. Honestly how did she manage to farm so many of them? I know Japs are the best paypigs since they don’t mind dropping their whole salaries on a hobby but she still has so many of them it’s insane.

>>11613842
Zelda debuffed pretty much everyone else that played it. You have to make an effort for it to be watchable otherwise ppl would rather play the game themselves

I'm new to Hololive. Why do people not like Kiara? I kinda like her cause she's sincere. I'm not Kiara. I promise.

>>11613447
That is actually kind of a fascinating insight considering how ridiculously successful Ayame is despite doing almost nothing compared to Kiara.

As for Kiara herself, we've said it many times what we think the issues are -
>voice is annoying (not sure if she's even allowed to change it much at this point so maybe it's moot to mention)
>debuff games constantly
>always has a bit of attitude or snark about something/someone at any time that seems to often rub people the wrong way

She does do some cool things like Holotalk and is easily the most social/collab-assembling one of the gen so it isn't all bad. I feel like she kind of boxes herself in content wise actually and just isn't willing to do certain things at all that might pique some interest even if they're out of her comfort zone. Thinking for like 2 minutes I can pull up a couple stream ideas that would spice up her schedule from "minecraft/JRPG/collab."

She fucking hates FPS etc? Play one at least once for old time's sake, just to prove it's a bad idea - it may be a funny stream actually with all the epic fail. Simply because it'd be just so fucking unusual for her, people might notice if she tried playing DOOM or something at prime time hours. I would.

Art stream maybe. She isn't super confident in her skills, but that doesn't mean she can't just doodle and have fun? Is she out of emoji for members or can do a few more? Maybe vote to replace some?

Is she allowed to do like... a fast food review? How about letting the KFP invent made-up chicken dishes and she rates them making the "restaurant menu" as a stream? Etc,

>>11613874
>I know Japs are the best paypigs since they don’t mind dropping their whole salaries on a hobby but she still has so many of them it’s insane.
The thing is she just has more of them that pay out less. When you compare her average superchat numbers to someone like Rushia it's like half? Then you got the ones like Mori and Flare who straight up double the average value of her superchats.

>>11613921
Because of previous life stuff
Everything else is an excuse

>>11612810
JRPG overdose

>>11613087
Aren't bullying discord servers getting blocked?

>>11612810
I hate her fucking cats, she's turned into just another crazy 20 something who goes on and on about her "furbabbies." She used to talk about interesting things like life in Japan, German treats, Caspar, now it's all just "muh cats!" "muh room mates."
On top of that her decision to stream JPRGs has always turned people off. Some games have been interesting, Arise or whatever it's called isn't.
A lot of the girls have changed in the last few months, but Kiara and Ame have regressed.

>>11613921
She's annoying and kind of an asshole. That's coming purely from someone who has had the misfortune of having to deal with her streaming with other girls. I don't even know about her past life shit.

>>11614037
>Mid-twenties woman gets burned out, driving away men
>Gets cats like all the other mid-twenties burned out women
>Channels crazy energy into cats, wont shut up about them
>This further drives people away
Many such cases, very sad.
I know way too many women like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9XkY84MUls

>>11614037
It's not about JRPGs. She's just bad at them. I tried watching one her JRPG streams and she was reading chat during an important context with complete disregard to the story. It turns people who actually like watching JRPGs off

>>11614037
What? How has Ame regressed?
She's been very entertaining so far.
Especially her Bee model.

>>11613942
I guess you’re right. Honestly for the amount of viewers she has, she gets soo much superchats and members it’s insane. She must be doing something right I just don’t know what it is. I guess being a woman is half of what she’s doing right

>>11612905
Yep

>>11614121
She announced she would take a break. Sounds like she’s lost her sparks for the time being (she alluded it might be a burnout) so retards make up rrats about her graduating soon.

>>11614128
She'll zatsudan for like 5 hours in SC reads and otherwise pads out like half her streams with hours of zatsudan anyway.

She's very direct and emotional to the viewership, this makes her feel more personable and less fake etc. In some ways she's cheesy fake as a default but in others she feels legit and down to earth, you know, a real human bean.

>>11613921
Because people spend too much time here eating rrats instead of watching streams.
Whenever people try to justify why they invest several hours each day hating on an anime girl they bring up the same rrats that got disproven by the very person who birthed them.
Anyone talking about her past life or behind-the-scenes stuff is an idiot.
Meanwhile most people who are truely too weak to deal with her voice or attitude don't watch her outside of collabs and have a great time doing so.

>>11613087
>there's a discord full of trannies who hate kiara
>and another discord full of trannies who hate the discord that hates kiara

>>11612810
You can't always be the hot new trend with sustained growth. Most streamers desperately search for ways to trend again, but Hololive is quite secure in comparison because of goslings.

>>11613950
I dropped her way before I ever knew about her previous resurrections. She was whiny from the start, and has no filter for potential Yab....which even she admits to. Knowing the rest only makes it clear why she is the way she is. Half of these posts are attempts to get people banned for roomate posting, btw

>>11613719
Pull a Kson? Coco had more than 400k live viewers on her graduation. I doubt people would stick around with her without her Hololive buff.

>>11613950
I don't hate her, she's just not for me. I find her voice grating, her personality annoying, and her model mediocre at best (eyes are good though). This KFP delusion that there's no possible way anyone could legitimately dislike her as a chuuba is retarded.

>>11614197
It's trannies all the way down.
Never go to discord.

>>11613087
>real life voice actor
Who the fuck says that? That's how I can tell all these faggots are complete newfaggot outsiders.

>>11613804
No, YOU fuck off. You know what? I've had just about enough of this culture of clip shaming on this board. What did YOU ever contribute to this board? Did you even know how lame you're sounding right now? Have you ever heard "don't shoot the messenger"? Let us have this. Let us just fucking watch clips in peace. You fucking snitch.

>>11613921
>Obnoxious
>Annoying voice
>LOUD
>Ugly model
>Numberfag
>Selfish and jealous
>Can't read the room or just rude (omg Gura are you crying!?)
>Yuribait
>Leech
>MEMEMEME
>Menhera

Also her fanbase is cancer and won't accept any valid criticism.

>>11613921
She doesn't pretend to be innocent, and she's also far more upfront about hololive being her job that provides an income. Schizo's like to believe holomems are, at their core, innocent pure maidens who stream for the sole purpose of interacting with them specifically, and because she hasn't gone off the deepend into bizzaro meme territory like Ame has she's still seen as a counter to their idol ideals.

>>11614308
Unbelievably cringe post

>>11612810
>why are people leaving?
Because it's been going on for so long.

Wanting to do vshitshow collabs fucked her over after the Veibae bullshit. Sadly she still got to collab with pink cat.

>>11612810
I guess we're just gonna ignore that she is literally just adressing a point raised by an SC and explains to her viewers the streamer side, like she always does. Rather than actively worrying about it at that moment.

>>11614113
I enjoyed her Fire Emblem and Atelier streams, don't like Arise or Zelda. It's a matter of taste, but of course it will make a swing in viewership.

>>11614309
>Always makes drama
Gura, Council ghostling, TakaMori, already forgot the other one Kek

>>11614175
Interesting, I feel like being “real” has helped a lot of other holos get supas. Marine, Rushia, etc. It’s definitely a plus when you want people to drop money on you. I wonder if we were to compare these girls to popular Twitch streamers, how different their donation numbers would be.

>>11613359
If her collab with nyanners is anything to go by. Putting aside whatever hate this place has for the cat. Kiara seems extremely obnoxious in collabs and didn't her do shit, why would people want to collab with someone who's constantly trying to be the collab "winner"?

>>11613950
Her voice isn't an excuse, it's hard filter

>>11612810
Egg schizo post, but I will admit that not only does she tends to stay inside her comfort zone far too much, but her yes men are also hurting her. Like last time she mentioned playing Outlast as her first horror game, the chat more or less managed to talk her down from playing it, and even when she reconfirmed she was finally doing it with Gura, I still saw people trying to talk her out of it. Sure her fans will say to do whatever she's comfortable doing, but the fact remains that JRPGs don't bring in numbers or new subs, and new content could lead to unexpected kino too. Look at Marine Apex (JUSTICE PUNCH), Ame Outer Wilds (or her platformers, or Pokemon Unite, or random indies), Anya Minecraft, Korone Doom and Banjo Kazooie, etc. There's entire arcs of great content or new relationships formed that aren't going to happen with 60 hours of JRPGs a month.

>>11613448
Nah, she's fine. Outside of here, her clips do well, though not Gura numbers. Even here she gets tons of soundposts and OC. Even comparing similar content, her Sims streams are better than Gura's, her Minecraft streams are better than Mori's. Pretty much the only time she can't be entertaining is playing 80 hours of single player, story heavy games like Skyward Sword or Atelier Ryza at shit o clock.

To be honest, she needs to new buff games. A lot were excited when she announced that she will play FPS game. I ironically want her to have a Apex Training Arc.

>>11614405
>I enjoyed her Fire Emblem
Her Fire Emblem gameplay was legitimately painful to watch. She's lucky Three Houses is easily the easiest game in the franchise and doesn't punish you at all for fucking up if you aren't playing on Maddening.

>>11614430
the girls in the 2view agencies on twitch (phase, cyber, prism etc.) make way more than the average streamer of their viewership

>>11613230
>Calli and Ina were always there to draw attention to their arts, even if the former failed at it
>even if the former failed at it
???

>>11614430
>, I feel like being “real” has helped a lot of other holos get supas. Marine, Rushia, etc.
>Rushia, Marine
>real
Is this satire? I like them both, but no one would describe either as "real'.

>>11614500
It was good because she did gay shit.

>>11614391
The rrats are starving anon, let them have this.

>>11614105
Kiara version when

>>11614391
Anon she literally cried in a members stream because people weren’t watching her new music video. She cares a lot.

>>11614687
Got proof of that?

>>11612810
Long series streams are off-putting, not just for her but any streamer really. If Kiara was my oshi, maybe I'd enjoy watching them, but I enjoy her one-off games and zatsudan streams

>>11612810
Not Kiara related but I swear this clipnigger got so many threads here that at least one of those was him shilling his own videos.
We got a thread about a fucking poll on his channel just a couple days ago too.

>>11612810
Kiara has next to no chill whatsoever. It's a personal problem she needs to work on if she wants more people to like her. I would watch her if her accent wasn't insufferable.

>>11614548
Nobody cared about DD, especially not to the degree they like Calli.

>>11612810
Quoting a certain reaper:
>"At the end of the day, there's also the fact that just because you worked hard on something, doesn't mean it's good"

https://www.. youtube.com/watch?v=tIU0xG-lXkQ&t=2786s

>>11614687
Which is completly unrelated to this threads topic clipkek. Kiara always is frustrated with her songs not doing well, thats not new and has nothing to do with people "leaving her".

Kiara is just an exhausting person
Bitch, you are in Hololive, the premiere VTuber group with the biggest default audience. You have a million subscribers. You are among the top 10 superchatted people in the WORLD. You know how many indies or even other corporate tubers would kill to be in your position?

Yet it's not enough. So long as her genmates have higher subs or higher viewership, so long as someone else is getting more superchats, so long as anybody is above her in any way possible, she will continue to bitch and feel sorry for herself. All day, every day, ME ME ME ME ME.
I don't even think there's a way to fix this, it seems so firmly rooted in her personality and I think unless she was the absolute and unquestionable number one by every metric or standard, she would continue to feel inadequate.

>>11614755
are you daft?
her Spoti stats went up like +1000% once algo did its work, her digital album sales too judging from Twitter posts
anything else is basically down to her choosing to focus on the new persona

>>11614755
No one cared about any of these people's roommate shit to the degree they do as holos. You could maybe make an argument for Polka during the earlier days.

>>11614812
Why do you write like a woman?

>>11614113
This.
She's one of those people who propagates the meme that Kingdom Heart's story makes zero sense because she didn't pay attention.
It's still a bunch of contrivances, absurdities and a few plot holes like Eraquis being cool with Xehanort being at the exam after the dude scared him with darkness. But it's not the complete nonsense haters spew
Also all the girls are bad at games so why is her debuff so strong?

>>11614779
A lot ofpeople need to hear that. The "But I worked so hard" it's not an excuse. If you suck, you suck

>>11614812
>le sad wolf
best post in the thread
at least some people still know how to use these images properly

>>11614812
>You are among the top 10 superchatted people in the WORLD.
She's not though, she's 20th.

>>11614518
And why do you think that is? Just simp culture or there is something that they’re doing that others aren’t?

>>11613921
I realized she was a bitch when her first stream was a 100k celebration whereas gen 5 didn't do it because it feel undeserved and to respect their senpai works also that horrible first collab.

>>11614886
Kingdom Farts is for spic retards.

>>11613351
I don't really understand people overhyping Kiara's SC numbers considering she streams almost twice as much as Gura and spamed 100k celebrations up to 1 million subs and yet she's not even beating Gura by a good amount.

>>11614834
Yeah, after the Algo. Which is only after she became Calli.
Before HL nobody knew or cared who she was.

>>11613942
>average superchat numbers
That's meaningless in comparing Coco to anyone. Kiryukai invented gimmick supachas. Rainbows, toilet flushing, auroras, everything comes from them. Of course the average goes down if one person's donations get divided into like twenty a stream instead of just one 50K SC.

>>11614812
>ME ME ME ME ME.
you had a good point up until this. Should have just replaced this with 'she has pretty intense self-esteem issues and an inferiority complex' instead of using a shitty meme

>>11614905
Don't you have a Dragonball Super thread to be spamming incoherent nonsense in?

>>11614886
>Also all the girls are bad at games so why is her debuff so strong?
Botan goes alright, Aqua is pretty good at games, Towa and Matsuri are at the very least pretty decent at Apex.

>>11614755
I’m not a numberfag so I never payed much attention to her sales stats, but I know she gained a shit ton of subs for her youtube channel. She’d definitely get a ton more if she started creating content under that alias again, but she all but abandoned that persona when she started vtubing.

>>11613841
how?

>>11614930
I dunno what point you're trying to make anymore
first you suggest Calli/Ina joined HL to increase the visibility of PL shit, then claim Calli somehow failed at that
when numbers show otherwise, you claim she failed beforehand (which numbers don't particularly support either, but you can have that opinion)

it's just an incoherent line of reasoning

>>11614812
Damn, didn't know she actually had it that good.
Also, other anon was right. She's actually 20th but that's still pretty high. I think she should just be grateful. Sakura Miko had it way worse in her early career and now she's pretty happy.

>>11613447
Ayame is the design and voice both being good and fitting each other.

>>11613184
>Obviously you can't answer this so go empty your paycheck on her so
Eggs accepting Kiara will still be banking more than their oshis sans Mori in the EN branch kek
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-total

I thought marine had imparted her octogenarian wisdom onto kiara back when she was in japan, did she forget that?

Man it really has been a while, but yall gotta blow your load this hard?

>>11614886
>Also all the girls are bad at games so why is her debuff so strong?
Because in the end it is about JRPGs.
It barely makes a difference if she filters the three people interested in watching JRPGs by not being glued to the screen when "important" things happen. She still pays attention and can recall story moments later on so your Kingdom Hearts criticism makes very little sense.
Tales of Arise gets double digit viewership on both Youtube and twitch for anyone besides Kiara. In fact it's single digits most of the time on Youtube. There is a reason Bamco is absolutely in love with her and her numbers.

>>11615048
LMAO, I'm pretty sure this anon is coping and just passing hate on someone

>only watch a few clips of tenchou that show her saying what is willingly perceived to be egotistical, selfish, uncaring, overly caring, etc.
>never watch the streams
>instead, go on the internet and post incessantly about how terrible of a person she is as part of some twisted moral outrage campaign
This is how an egg is made.

>>11614914
T. Poor chumpedo
Even Gura with all her view can't beat Mori who used to stream way less than Gura.

Her attitude compared to Sana is night and day. Sana:
>I'm just going to do whatever I want, and if my content is too weird for you then don't be a member
>You don't have to watch this live, I don't care about that stuff. VODs exist for a reason
>Fun is not a race

>>11614474
She can speak JP too which helps a lot for APEX.

>>11613364
What a shame, she got so far after all.

>>11615155
yeah and see where that led her rumao

>>11615155
Based sana. Still not going to watch her but based.

>>11615137
You forgot them religiously reading all the old, dead rrats. Honestly suggesting they actually watch clips instead of just looking at thumbnails might even be bit too generous.

>>11615120
>Tales of Arise gets double digit viewership on both Youtube and twitch for anyone besides Kiara.
Suisei playing the game has mogged her though?

>>11615155
she sounds like quin69

>>11614812
It feels like Kiara is the ultimate GFE for saviorfags. She spends all day telling them how hard it is at work and how no one respects her despite everything she contributes and her KFPs just hold her and stroke her hair going, “It’s okay, sweetie. You’re doing great. I’ll always be here to remind you how successful you are.”
But like you say, it’s fucking exhausting for the rest of us.

>>11615218
You are correct and I am dumb for not specifying anyone outside of Japan.
JRPGs are popular on the island.
Gomen.

>>11615185
Are you talking about Kiara or Sana? Cause i dont know if i should laugh or seethe

>>11613087
it's pretty funny seeing these off-board raids without any context tho
you just know it's some obsessed discord

>>11615185
Yeah she's still making money doing something enjoyable rather than wageslaving. Are you stupid?

>>11615155
Wait, are you quoting Kiara or Sana?
Because that sounds exactly like what Kiara says about her playing JRPGs.
You are not a clipnigger who never actually watched a stream, are you?

>>11615155
Based

>>11615137
somehow, watching streams will make >egotistical, selfish, uncaring, overly caring, etc. false?

>>11615388
Well done sir, you've cracked the code

>>11615152
Mori never streamed particularly less than Gura, she had just a lot of short streams compared to Gura having a smaller number of long ones
usually the difference between the two lingers around 10 hours of total stream time

>>11614895
Anon, the 20th biggest superchatted channel in the world on fucking Youtube. All because she’s in Hololive, she would have never in a thousand years get even close to those numbers being indie. bitch needs to learn to appreciate what she’s been given.

>>11615218
fuck you. Stop using Suisei for this shit.

>>11615487
Stop hating JRPGs because you're an ADD riddeled child who can't understand a story
>B-BUT IT'S BORING
So is fucking Minecraft by a 10,000x greater margin but you wanna gobble that shit up.

>>11612810
Four reasons.
1. Your clingy desperation makes you emotionally exhausting to watch.
2. You marathon stream long form story-driven games.
3. You're incredibly rude to clippers, and clippers make or break vtubers.
4. The coronachan buff is over.

This bait is so fucking good

>her voice is annoying
Really? I kind of like her voice actually, but I admit I'm just a clipfag watching her occasionally so maybe it's a case of something that happens over time.
I don't dislike the girl, she genuinely sounds like a sweet girl to be around for most of the time but like someone said earlier her problem is that she has no chills. She should be more careful about what she says sometimes, even more considering her position. And she does give off an aura of someone being extremely insecure sometimes, which doesn't help.

>>11615557
>You're incredibly rude to clippers, and clippers make or break vtubers.
Weirdly enough, this was the part I took the most offense to, bait or not.

>egg thread
>150+ posts in under 2 hours
LOOKS LIKE ORANGE IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!

>>11615624
He’s right. Clippers do make or brean a vtuber. To a lesser extend for Hololive since they’ve already got a massive audience, but still.

>>11615533
no one watches minecraft for minecraft, you watch minecraft in hopes of interactions and improptu collabs with other holos you daft imbecile.

I don't dislike Kiara at all, in fact I find her autism hilarious.
She just streams for 8 hours at a time and is 6 hours ahead of my timezone, so I can't really watch her.

>>11615624
it might offend you, but that's how majority of people first interact with your content

>>11615652
Well if you want to talk about clippers, let's discuss the one that made the video.
3 of his top 10 video's involve Kiara, the number 2 most viewed being literally 1k views away from the number 1.
If you increased that list to the top 20, 8 of them include 8 of them are mostly about Kiara, another 2 include Kiara but she isn't the main subject.
If you look at recent JP clipper channels, her recent tour with Flare also has a lot of high view clips in comparison to other clips released around the same time on a few select channels.
Kiara herself might hate clippers, but she doesn't have a clipper problem, her viewership issues are not dependent on clippers at all, and stem from other problems.

>>11615660
I watch it as a zatsu

>>11615624
you just got cummed on, anon, sorry
>>11615665
...need a tissue?

>>11615755
That's why I listed it at three out of four. They're numbered, like a good person I put them in order of relevance. I apologize for assuming you'd understand that.

>>11615652
Well if you want to talk about clippers, let's discuss the one that made the video.
3 of his top 10 video's involve Kiara, the number 2 most viewed being literally 1k views away from the number 1.
If you increased that list to the top 20, 8 of them are mostly about Kiara, another 2 include Kiara but she isn't the main subject.
If you look at recent JP clipper channels, her recent tour with Flare also has a lot of high view clips in comparison to other clips released around the same time on a few select channels.
Kiara herself might hate clippers, but she doesn't have a clipper problem, her viewership issues are not dependent on clippers at all, and stem from other problems.

>>11613576
>Gura collabs with JP so far (incl. impropmtu MC collabs) : Shion, Marine, Aqua and Pekora (MC) .
>Kiara collabs with JP so far (Not incl. Holotalk and impropmtu MC collabs) : Subaru, Rushia, Choco, Nene, Polka, Pekora, Coco, Watame, Matsuri, Haachama.
Hell
>Ame collabs with JP so far not incl. impropmtu MC collabs: Roboco, Mel, Haachama, Coco
Even Ame collabed with the same amount of JP Gura did and more than her if we exclude Pekora from Gura's list.
However, a lot of Holos who wanted to collab with Gura said she didn't respond to them.

>>11615835
>A lot of Holos who wanted to collab with Gura said she didn't respond to them.
This is where Enma hate comes back into play. Most if not all of the holos who got ghosted went through official channels whereas the ones that contacted her directly had zero issue.

>>11615465
>We love Mori now
Kek, the audicity of poorfags when 5% was a thing on this board.

>>11615889
wait really? what the fuck is that manager doing? jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQfjzxyP9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQfjzxyP9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQfjzxyP9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQfjzxyP9Q

GTA CANCELED

>>11615931
larping as a god of course

>>11614309
>Also her fanbase is cancer and won't accept any valid criticism.
Kill yourself.
Kiara's fans are extreme chill. They are surprising chill considering the trash you mentally ill obsessed fuck, shit out on daily basis.

You're the schizo who makes fuzz over a streamer you could simply avoid.

I gave Kiara a chance recently and I have to say she's actually pretty funny and her design is cute, but her voice filters me. The constant self pity is also somewhat of a turn off for me. I understand that if she puts a lot of work into something she wants it to succeed (with views being the main metric of success), but look at someone like Ame who never talks about her viewership and also doesn't let it influence her game choices. Kiara should learn to be more like her.

>>11615050
Miko wasn't happy when she was doing worse so I'm no sure that's a good comparison.

So she realized that leeching off of Ame isn't going to make her successful (just like leeching off of Mori)? Maybe she should try Gura next lol. Gura is innocent and desperate enough for attention that she might actually fall for Kiara's lies and fall in love with her.

>>11612810
Kiara would be my favorite holo and pshi if she wasnt a lesbian and a lefty. I like her voice, i like her streams, i like her music, but shes a lesbo and lefty and that just ruins any excitement i have for her. She isn't even a real lesbian, shes a prison lesbian.

>>11615185
A good mental headspace? Seems worth to me.

>>11615889
>This is where Enma hate comes back into play
Holy hackerman
The whole ENMA hate was because Coco straight up revealed managers turned down any attempt for collab with EN while the others JP were collabing with Kiara, Mori, Ina and mf Ame.
But when Gura had the chance to collab with Coco during her final month...she didn't.

>>11615906
dunno how your post connects to mine, I'm just talking about objective numbers
Mori never stuck away from Gura that hard in stream time, they were (and stil lare) in the lower half of HoloEN

>>11616032
Sorry, Gura is too busy producing kino with Council right now, plz understand

>>11615963
>kill yourself
>trash
>obsessed fuck
>shit out
>schizo
extreme chill

>>11616032
>So she realized that leeching off of Ame
Didn't happen
>isn't going to make her successful (just like leeching off of Mori)?
Takamori was management-forced shit

>>11616015
I didn't say she was. I'm just saying that Miko had a way worse time during her early days. Kiara has it way better.

>>11615963
Anon, when things become memes on this board, there’s usually a little truth behind them. KFP are the most schizo fans out of all chuubas, JP included.

>>11616032
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Who talks like this? Stop making unnecessary drama.

>>11616099
I'm not a Kiara fan. You gossip faggot cunts fucking piss me the fuck off.
Kiara gossipers are the absolutely most annoying spamming fucks on this board.

>>11612959
>[GONE SEXUAL]

>>11615056
too bad the orange woman is a numberfag, not moneyfag, she'd rather has 10x more views and get less than the other way around. If she really only cares about money, she wont make the statement in the first

Good ass bait. Thanks OP.

>>11615963
I genuinely can't tell if this is a mocking exaggerated parody or actually KFP.

>>11615906
Only autists were and are upset about the 5% thing, but that has nothing to do with this thread. We’re talking objectively about numbers here.

>>11616122
Lolcowshitters raids are not memes that belong here.

Ame did her damndest to mitigate Kiara's number loss in recent streams.

>>11614121
Ame has different problems than Kiara, her depression and health issues are making her life a mess, she knows what to do with her content unlike Kiara so if she can solve her problems she can shine again with her "La creatividad" streams from time to time and interesting games

>>11616122
huh? i thought Hachaama has the most schizoid fans

>>11616241
Sure anon, it's just lolcowshitters and eggschizo. Kiara is perfect and no criticism is valid.

>>11616075
>But when Gura had the chance to collab with Coco during her final month...she didn't.
As it should be
Cunny is the one who made Hololive, before Cunny none of those larping rosties whores did anything to push Hololive into stardom.
But then Cunny appeared, and that was enough to push Hololive into stardom.
Cunny doesn't need to pay respect to those whore, is the othef way around.

>>11616286
Glad we agree

>>11612810
What is the metric she's looking at? Because surely she doesn't expect tons of people to tune into Tales part 9?

>>11616261
how? Genuinely curious here.

>>11616209
She cares about numbers and money anon
But you can't have it all in this life

>>11615050
Is not the same going from the bottom to the roof than going from the roof to the bottom anon

>>11616286
What's your problem trannyfuck?
What's the mental needed drive to obsess and gossip over a streamer you hate?
I don't get it. How do you do get off to this?

>>11616286
Oh, so you're delusional.
Each and every one of the girls has valid criticisms, and to say they do not is to do a disservice to all of em.
Now the insane schizo posting and other nonsense is of course, schizo-nonsense.

>>11612810
I heard queen Selen make a decent point once. She said that RPG games are hard to stream (I assume because they typically have a long playtime and have grinding) and Kiara streams a lot of RPGs.

>>11616384
Having a back to back collab with each other, mentioning Sparks on the description in one of her streams, Points out Kiara in some talking points during a stream etc.

>>11613087
I'm eggman and I can confirm

>>11612810
Everybody's losing viewership but given her past traumas she's just feeling it more than most
She has one of the most dedicated fanbases in vtubing but it's hard for her to accept that

>>11616320
Holy bait.

>>11616422
When you say it like that, I guess I can understand a little better now.

>>11612810
>literally complaining about not having viewers
>it's just some eggs and trannies
The amount of cope is unbelievable.

Kiara really just needs to buckle down, reevaluate her public perception, reach out for help in brainstorming ideas, Surveying her fans, Break out into new games etc.

Just get a focus group together. She's part of a corporate business after all.

Kiara i know you are going to read this, just stop caring so much on the hows and whys and enjoy what you have, you are going to be much happier

reading rrat and dramafag shit in this board make me enjoy vtuber less and less, I think I'm gonna have to stop coming here, goodbye faggots..
no i'm not here forever stfu

>>11616506
Ame doesn't do enough for herself. She's still got that imposter shit on.
>>11616622
Her problem is that she's European and not the usual UKfags so she's acting normal but most people thing its very "catty".

>>11616684
See you in 2 weeks anon, love you.

Am I retarded? I'm pretty sure she's not questioning about why she has low viewers, but rather why some of her long-time viewers leave.

If she wants to play JRPGs, she should at least play entertaining ones like Hyperdimension Neptunia

Kiara still has an annoying voice which genuinely makes her hard to watch.

She also has timezone debuff because most of her viewers aren't actually able to watch when she's streaming.

She also needs to reduce her stream lengths. a 7 hour stream is either gonna be watched live or not at all in most cases unless she's like the only person you watch. Doesn't help when so many of those are the latest "Noun of Keyboard Smash" JRPGs that very few people care about and take 9 streams to complete.

It really just depends on what you're comparing her to. I am pretty interested in what makes each Vtuber popular, with Kiara she is still pretty much a success and surpassed most of her JP counterparts. There are vtubers trying just as hard as her for twice as long and with similar exposure yet aren't doing as well. That being said, she is obviously doing the worst out of gen 1 because her model is terrible which she has frequently complained about, at least indirectly. It is obvious that her design is too over the top and has horrible colors. The two hats, the weird uniform, the weird KFC tie-in makes her clearly worse-designed than her genmates. It's obvious she feels that she suffers from a lot of bad management decisions, especially when she complains she had no input on her model. Yeah, she also does shoot down a lot of community-driven things, and yes played games considered bad for streaming. She doesn't have a "thing" other than being a bridge between EN and JP, but collabing in hololive to that degree seems work-intensive. But it is obviously her model that holds her back. I also think she has a lot going on off-screen, her injury I think affected her irritability significantly, chronic pain is no joke.

That said, she's obviously a success story, if you can get a channel with over 1 million subs on youtube, you are making money

>>11615963
These idiots think everyone who dislikes anything about Kiara is a 4chan schizo

>>11612905
You hit the nail on the head thank you, rratigan.

>>11615889
exactly

>>11613087
Can someone tell me more about egg? Are we sure it's a tranny?

>>11613172
I never noticed how bad it actually was with her thumbnails but holy shit it does look like someone vomited up halloween candy.

>>11612810
Its true. I dont need orange woman than I have a lot more interesting chuubas

Kiara was the first EN I was subbed to, since at first I didn't care enough about any of this to sub to every Holo. I give her a weeks and I really started to root for her. I didn't really see why she was so far behind Ina back then. To me it wasn't justified so I kept watching. Honestly her peak for me was when she was living in Japan. I feel like shes gotten louder and just generally more lazy and annoying since moving back home. She used to do other shit than Jrpgs, and I never had to hear her stupid fucking cats which I've come to despise. Shes also does Mori dirty sometimes misrepresenting or making assumptions about what Mori thinks or feels but Mori never ever has anything but praise for Kiara. TLDR it's not one specific thing but a bunch of little ones that cause people to give up on her IMO

>>11617198

Fake and gay

>>11615388
Yes because you can make your own opinion about someone instead of jerking your hate boner while being dripfed confirmation bias by a dirty click-baiting clipper.

>>11614175
>She's very direct and emotional to the viewership, this makes her feel more personable and less fake etc.
completely opposite. she's always doing stuff to get more numbers. that's why people dont like her. they can see through her numberfagging facade

>>11613921
She's annoying and narcissistic and probably a huge slut considering that she's a cosplayer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5YsfVUJ5-Y

As much as people meme on kiara and kfp for being stupid, it's kind of sad to see how much this shit weighs down on her. I hope she can either figure out how to freshen up her content or make peace with her numbers because despite her numerous flaws she's quite sweet at times and seems to get along with her genmates well

Kiaras biggest strength could be a weakness to some, mainly that she actually plays long games to the end. This isn’t a thing to blame her on though, for JRPGs there’s just historically been less people watching streams/let’s play vids once a certain amount of progress has been made.
Even then though Hololive EN doesnt have the same amount of views in general that it did back then, probably because normalfags lost interest after the first few months.

>>11616893
Anon I love that series but I have to admit it’s fucking trash. Not only for playing but watching, the characters hold it more than the story and writing, only one spinoff is good, and the gameplay ranges from fine but low budget to shit.

>>11613791
This is true. I love fire emblem and wanted to watch Kiara’s fire emblem stream. Her shitty gameplay might have been tolerable if she wasn’t also too dumb to understand the story. It’s like she wasn’t trying at all to pay attention to what was going on in the game. It wasn’t a fun watch.

>>11615963
>Kiara's fans are extreme chill
kek

>>11614812
This comment just reads out as
>rich people are not allowed to be depressed
by the same logic no one but only the lowest of the low, like niggers can complain about life

>>11616474
this would make sense if kiara was good or would get good playing through the game but she doesnt so it gets tiring to normies

>ITT: KFP in shambles
Trinitychads can't stop winning

>>11617511
would totally smash if she put on an orange wig

>>11612810
Hololive is dying. It's not just Kiara.
People move on.

>>11613534
While her new timeslot is very nice from the EU perspective as it's in the middle of the afternoon and can hit early morning US and late evening Asia, the latter is exactly the problem. That's where a massive bulk of the JP girls are streaming already, 9 girls are streaming right now + Choco and Noel on a non Hololive stream. And a few more starting in about half an hour.

ITT pic related

Man reading these threads makes me feel bad

I admit that I have pretty much the same personality as Kiara and I take it personally when people call her bad things. It hits so close to home.

People like me kinda get the reason why people do not like us, but they can't really accept it and honestly most of the time it feels like people spend more time hating on me with other people than they actually spend time getting to know me.

Fuckign rrats man

>>11617642
I don't disagree that being rich or successful doesn't mean you don't have problems, except Kiara's only problem is that she isn't successful ENOUGH.
She's got this strange headcase where she has an extreme superiority complex and inferiority complex at the same exact time. She truly gets upset when she sees someone else outperforming her and the degree to which it bothers her is worrisome for what should be a grown woman entertainer.

>>11617511
>showing her underwear to the cam
>comments say she's underaged
Fucking gross

>>11616075
Coco said herself that they could never find a time to collab because both were busy as hell during that month

>>11617994
Everyone feels like that if they put ton of effort. She feels like she put as much effort or even more than some other person, but she doesn't get the same result so she feels like she is inferior fundamentally.

VSHOJO HELP!

>>11617928
Why is it that female indies or eggheads hate Kiara the most?

>>11613791
porr comparison, zelda is not fire emblem, botw is both more popular and more plateable. jrpgs and chicken voice are the problem

>>11612810
Eggchads can't stop winning. Cry harder faggot

>>11618365
I don't know
they're in this thread, why don't you ask them

>>11612810
Kiara are you here ? Did you make this thread ? How are you now ?

>NOOOOO MEMEMEMEME GIVE ME MORE ATTENTION LOVE ME

>11618444
I want to hate fuck her so much
Why nobody of these eggs faggots share the full set of her gravure instead of posting the same 5 pics god dammit!

>>11612810
but KFP told me that the only people who disliked kiara were schizos trying to fit in /vt/...

>>11618599
I actually physically cringed. These people are just sad.

>>11617593
Hyperdimension Neptunia is a shitty game, but a fun and humourous one. Ironically it's a single player game and laughtng at witty jokes (however cheap they may be) is a lot funnier with friends.

>>11618599
What the fuck is this image

Now I know that some people here are like 100% serious instead of just lashing out for the hell of it or doing it for the luls

>>11618681
she's right tho

>>11612810
Why is she like this?

Eggchads we won

>>11618681
I bet even her cats secretly hate her

>>11618819

We don't even exist

its so hot how insecure she is

>>11617511
of course doxxcord niggers are here

>>11613921
>Least liked design on debut
>Didnt like her voice, liked her singing voice even less
>Couldnt care less for Takamori
>Annoying during collabs
>I like JRPGs so decided to watch the last Nier stream, shit was hilarious for all the wrong reasons
I gave her a few more tries over the months, while I dont dislike her as much during collabs I still dont like her voice or her content, so I dont watch her

>>11613921
Her voice and laugh are annoying.

>>11613921
I hate cosplayers. Also I know all of them are huge whores IRL but Kiara breaks the illusion of being an idol too much. If I wanted to watch a female acting like a real female there are better streamers to watch, I watch Vtubers because they don't act like real females.

>>11619432
>I watch Vtubers because they don't act like real females.
Cause you'll never be one either lmao

>>11619116
>nnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooo her real face im going to die aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>11619481
Why the fuck would I want to be a female? They're retarded and disgusting.

>>11619492
we really should've bullied you discord subhumans more

>>11612810
I feel sorry that she's feeling that way, but her numbers are still pretty good. Inter-agency collabs can be good to revitalize her subs. Terrible things seem to have fallen upon the holo girls recently, I hope things get better for them soon.

>>11618599
This is genuine mental illness, holy shit. Now it makes sense why some people cant stop hating her here, they're jealous 2views that don't even have 1/1000 of the sweetness/fanbase she has.

>>11612810
Fuck you KFPs your oshi is a good girl but you all are annoying cunts

>>11619757
Seethe more?

>>11619783
Nah I am just saying kiara is a good and a sincere girl but her fanbase is full of annoying and whiny cunts

>>11617511
would totally smash with a brick

>>11612810
She needs to embrace her Austrian/Germanic roots more.

>>11619858
You're just projecting

>>11619432
Kiara acts like a regular female, not a whore

>>11619934
here comes the 13 year old who's obsessed with germany

>>11619934
Didn't you see the KFPshort she did recently?
Had some very furher vibes.

>>11612810
Her fans are either cultists or the type of people to go outside, and the type of people to go outside go outside and dont watch streams if they're not in the mood or dont like the game

Kiara literally cannot stop pandering to savoir fags, she complains the most out of any member because she has the lowest numbers in Myth

I don't know Kiara gets a lot of hate but lets not act like she doesn't put effort in, she streams the most of an EN and probably cares the most about her fanbase. Hell here I don't think she is being out of touch I think she just genuinely wants to improve and is asking for outside opinions.
Honestly though, why do we hate Kiara again? Is it just the voice?

>>11612810
I think her longer streaming hours and her game choice is working against her, no one got time to watch 7-8 hour streams daily and that too of a story based game if you missed even one stream you fall behind

>>11619963
>regular female
Yeah, a whore.

>>11619492
>I see you also have FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE heheh
you guys are just gay

>>11620127
>why do we hate Kiara again? Is it just the voice?
She is the girliest EN member.and /vt/ is a cespool of incels

>>11612810
wtf I love Kiara now?

>>11620127
/cgl/ shit, numberfagshit, her voice, her being European so people see the way she acts differently than how she probably does.

>>11612810
Kiara GFE codependency soon....

>>11620127
>we

>>11620131
She could maybe boost her numbers for JRPGs by hiring someone to edit together a quick "Previously on" segment.
Or Cover's middle management could find someone if they knew how to do anything other than say no to the talents.

I'd freak the fuck out too if INA of all people had 20k more subs then me.

>>11620127
>we
you know we can spot kfps pretending to be other fanbases a mile away right?

>>11612810
The reality is they debuted just in time for the chuuba golden age. A good portion of their views in the beginning were just a result of a fad. This was bound to happen.

She can obviously reach this conclusion herself, she's just one who likes to vent her feelings. Nothing to it.

>clickbait clipper
Fuck off back to twitter.

>>11620496
I have, quite literally, never watched a Kiara stream.
Meds anon

this topic really encapsulates all the cancer in this board
>clipniggers
>doxxing
>dramawhoring
>timeloops
holy shit what a dumpster fire

jesas /vt/
like clockwork

>spent a good bit of time as a Kiara shitposter back when that was in its heydey
>disliked her content due to the usual reasons (voice, personality, etc)
>stopped watching Hololive quite a while ago
>am now shopping around for a new oshi
>browse a few Hololive threads, basking in the nostalgia, before stumbling on this thread
>watch the video
>I am hit with a massive wave of affection towards Kiara and want to be her fan
>Already made plans to watch her next stream and am even considering membership
What the actual fuck did my brain mean by this?

>>11620528
Then how do you know how much effort she puts in? I've watched Kiara streams, she's lazy as fuck.

>>11620599
Because she streams the most and from what I've seen of all the hate posts she is making the most effort to network with the JP holos.
Call it leeching or whatever but the other EN's aren't even doing that

>>11620581
you're saviorfagging, and only you can decide if it's a good or bad thing

>>11620387
https://youtu.be/wTm1DWD67Ao

KFP is already cucked

>>11618599
>Kiara's clit is bigger than my dick
Nice self-own, lmao

>>11613791
botw is practically a sandbox game

>>11620416
Its a JRPG. Those games have already been known to be poison for streamers/youtubers for a long while now. People watch early on, then views just decrease and only spike up when a part where people want to see reactions to certain things. No point doing a Previously On segment. Just do short edited videos that show important plotpoints/reactions maaaaybe some combat and some funny bits.

>>11620416
There's a reason why most streamers don't do RPGs. Viewers typically don't stay tuned to long-running stories.

>>11620649
you havent answered the question kfp
if you dont watch her, how do you know about her effort and how hard she tries?
answer that, troon

>>11620671
I get that but
it's Kiara...! It's fucking KIARA

>>11612810
Funny thing is, Kiara is basically the only HoloEN I still watch anymore. Ame barely streams, Mori and Ina have awful times, and I never liked Gura much to begin with.
But Kiara has a frankness and a sass that unique among her genmates, and more of what I like about other EN vtubers.

>>11620649
She streams the longest because she'll play a game for a little bit and then talk about her cats and complain for 6 hours. Also I wouldn't even call what she does leeching, even leeches successfully pull blood. She's absolutely desperate for a senpai boost, but her need to show off and be the dominant one puts jp holos off.

>>11620790
calm down you tranny, not everyone is kfp

At first I watched all her streams, now I only watch collabs.

>>11618681
Wow, she goes full mental in the replies to that tweet. That alone explains her problem.

>>11620815
>complain for 6 hours
this is exactly the problem with clipfaggots. they see a 1 minute long clip and think that's the whole stream. honestly just kill yourself.

>>11620835
>get nailed on his rotten wound about being kfp
>deflect
let me repeat
do you think we cant spot you retards pretending to be other fanbases or neutral fans?

>>11620792
It's ok anon I saviorfag for her too

>>11620815
>her need to show off and be the dominant one
I couldn't really put into words why I disliked Kiara and I think this is it. She can't handle being the butt of any joke, she went full schizo for being called bottom left, a joke she made up.

>>11620908
Hey, she talks about her cats too. Also so much for not watching any of her streams KuckFP.

>>11620915
you need to calm down, get off hrt, it's fucking with your mood

>She tries so hard, why are people leaving?
>she tries so hard
>trying so hard
>trying too hard
>trying too hard to be entertaining and just being loud and annoying
>trying too hard to be the biggest thing and is the least subbed
>trying too hard on Takamori
>trying too hard to be a boss and succeeding at being a bitch boss
>trying too hard

I think that sums up 80% of the problem, yep. Even KfagPs will eventually get sick and tired of all this tryharding.

>>11620998
wait wot? you do know which side is pro-troon and lefty right? have you looked at kiara's chat kfp?
what are you trying to pull here, kfp troon?

>>11621023
speaking of tryharding, you are really bending over backwards trying to come up with silly nicknames for KFP but they just get more and more bizarre and cringe

wkwk

>>11621023
Nah I'll refute that. Marine is a massive tryhard and that's one of her if not her biggest selling point(s). Literally all it is is self control and customer service, which she lacks. If you can't control yourself, you'll never be able to shore up your shortcomings or adapt yourself to the market.

>>11621041
i think you were shown a mirror and didnt like the disgusting thing staring back at you, tranny, so now you're seething

>>11621143
ok something's gone wrong here
do kfp hate trannies too?
if you do, can we be frens?

>>11621118
Alright then, you are right, I missed an important part.

>trying way too hard to be the boss/the cool one/the fun one

Marine works because she is pathetic beyond words. She works literally because everyone communes in her patheticness, she enjoys the humiliation and teenage sex talk/immaturity and her audience does too.

If Kiara accepted that she was just a meh girl that happened to speak good jap, she could work just fine. Self-deprecation and tryharding work when you also accept that people will laugh at you. Marine is literally inviting raep doujins on her. She'll probably start liking images of her being attached to a leash and paraded like a dog on all fours (if not done already).

You can like a pathetic creature and even feel good about your own insecurities in its company. You can't like a pathetic creature that überovertries to be cool and act like you have to respect her.

Frankly, I can't stand Kiara since forever, but that time when she got on call with Ina and Ina made that innocent "are you a waterbender" joke...I could sense the seethe of "HEY WHY ARE YOU REACTING LIKE THIS ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME WHAT'S GOING ON HERE" on the whorestrian's side, it was just vile.

>>11621268
Kiara's first vocal antis were trannies.

>>11621302
>calling my oshi pathetic several times
Damn, so the German rudeness stereotypes were true.

>>11621302
absolutely puzzling post

>>11621348
why do people have such a hard time believing that all trannies are fucked in the head, by definition they all have severe mental illness

>>11621400
lol you're saying that's the egg? lmao

>tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny tranny!
It's so funny because KFP and KFP antis keep exposing one another as being trannies.
Why does Kiara attract trannies as both friend and foe? None of her content seems to be geared towards transexualism. I've never seen this phenomenon before.
Also, remember when you'd get banned for tranny talk? I forgot about that

>>11621302
Behind all the ESL this is actually a brilliant take. Self depreciation is the key to the most popular comedians success. Nobody like it when you DEMAND love and respect or speak so plainly about the effort you put in. Pekora streams the same hours as Kiara but never tells her chat about " how hard shes working". If she did she would be rightfully shit on by Nousagis who unlike KFP aren't yes men. That's another thing too. Kiara has a horrible legion of enablers surrounding her. It's off putting to any new potential viewers to see such cult like behavior when they can just have fun and banter in Pekora or Guras chat instead.

>>11621497
Because everything polarizing attracts schizos. Kiara is a polarizing topic. Thus Schizos flock to it. A lot of Schizos are trannies. Thus eggs and KFP have trannies among them.

>be obnoxious
>can't read the room and force retarded shit no one cares about
>has no tact
>stream games no one gives a fuck about
>consistently get lower views even when collabing with someone else in minecraft
>instead of being grateful she even managed to get a million subs she takes the opportunity to complain about why it took her so long to do so
It is a mystery

>>11621987
Except Kiara is incredibly grateful, but of course that never gets clipped, so you actually have to watch streams to know. This is why everyone hates clipfags.

>>11618681
> All the schizos in the replies trying to groom her.
Kek

>>11622065
Why would I ever willingly subject myself to watching her streams when barely anyone else does. The only thing she has going for her is when she interviews other holo members and isn't focused around her lmao

>>11622115
If you wanna groom Kiara you just got tap into her love of professional wrestling.

>>11622315
Honestly that hurt to watch.

>>11621866
I completely agree, this is why a bunch of comedians make themselves the butt of the joke or the punchline. Nobody wants to listen to someone WAY more successful than them talk about how cool and awesome they are. This is why a bunch of tiktokers who try stand up comedy fail because they try to make themselves the "cool" guy in the story and the joke is how "awesomely" they handled the situation. Self deprecation is the key to comedy and making someone else the butt of the joke just makes you look like a narcissist with a fragile ego

>>11622146
Then why do you presume to talk about things you know nothing about?

>>11612810
REAL ANSWER:
1. School picking back up
2. Exams
3. Covid restrictions lifting
4. People have less time to watch vtubers
5. More vtubers than ever
6. Kiara's brand power is lower than everyone else in her gen.
Popular vtubers have a more generalized character design, ie the Shark, the Rabbit, the Duck, The Reaper, the Octopus, the Detective, the Dragon.
These things are more potent than a phoenix, which Kiara isn't able to play into visually very often.
A rabbit vtuber has carrots, a shark has underwater theme, a rapper reaper has a scythe, Subaru is an anomaly just because her career has been a roller coaster starting with a sporty tomboy to a creepy ASMR duck to police officer to princess lover.
Korone is a dog so she has an easy grab with dog-related things like bones and being energetic and protective.
Okayu is a cat, same deal.
Coco had the dragon buff, but even then she still is a natural memelord like Fubuki.
Ina's initial Cthulu theme wore off FAST, but she saved it by turning into an octopus.

A phoenix's only visual aide is that it bursts into flames when it dies and rises back up from its ashes. Likewise, Kiara always seemed most Phoenix-like when she got banned and re-debuted, since her model has no burst-into-fire-and-ashes feature (which could get tricky since she is Austrian) and that's hardly a feature in most games. Unless she wants to start streaming DARK SOULS or something designed around dying a lot. Everyone else in her gen, as well as a lot of the big vtubers that don't depend on past lives/personality alone, all have some strong character theme that can be easily visualized.

TLDR: The best way for Kiara to save herself would be to commission a feature for her models which allows her to burst into flames, be a talking pile of ashes, and then reform into a new Kiara. She could even have her reform-rate be tied to comment rate or something.

>>11612810
pffffhahahahahaha
serves her right

>>11622891
Kiara: A Realm Reborn

>>11622891
If Kiara wants to go all in on the pheonix theme she should play games where you die and respawn a lot like Dark Souls, Genocide run Undertale, ect.
She could have capitalized on Sora in Smash with a Kh1-3 level 1 critical run but nope

>Kiara is a selfish, attention seeking woman with an awful voice
>Gives her attention by making threads about her every single day
>Watches every clip with her in it
WTF...

>>11622955
god, what a horrible, cringy idea

>>11622891
Literally nobody gives a shit about someone’s design unless it’s the first time they see it. It’s a shtick used once in a while for a quick joke and then it’s forgotten for the rest of the stream.

>>11622985
No it's not

>>11622891
>Hololive 2D models
>Premade animations
You can only choose one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaKqn-AUOHU

>>11621302
Could you explain how Marine is tryharding? What makes a streamer tryhard?

>>11622065
>grateful
>still complains
I'm getting mixed signals here.

>>11620939
>she went full schizo for being called bottom left, a joke she made up.
https://youtu.be/K7U8R5A29Mo?t=5130

>>11623087
complain about what? are you talking about that clip? where exactly is she "complaining" there? it's like you don't even watch fucking clips.

>>11622995
You're completely wrong. Look how people post anywhere outside of 4chan, you mutt. Basic character design carries a lot of weight.
You're fucking stupid or are weirdly projecting if you think it's useless.

>>11622891
>(which could get tricky since she is Austrian)

?

>>11622995
how can you be in this hobby and have this opinion? of course design matters.

>>11615660
>>11615765
This. Minecraft is group zatsudan with extra steps. Therefore it's good.

If Kiara's voice is supposed to be hard filter explain Luna then.

>>11623237
>>11623277
It doesn’t matter enough for it to be the sole thing that “saves” Kiara. You think Kuzuha got to the top because of his good design lmao?

>>11623129
>kiara went full schizo over a joke most people liked just because she was the butt of it

>>11623606
>full schizo
what actually happened is that her chat kept spamming it during inappropriate moments, like during her nude beach story. she had to tardwrangle them, but she said it's ok to use it in the right contexts. and she did it all very calmly too. I'm pretty sure there's even clips of it, so even you retards can probably go find it and see for yourselves.

>>11623528
Luna is also the bottom of her gen, which is impressive because she's in the same gen as Twappers...

>>11623737
How is her stripping off on some beach inappropriate to a meme than implies she's a dumb slut?

>>11623129
When did Mori get so fucking good at playing Fall Guys, wtf

>>11623813
>telling a real life story about seeing a nudist beach
>retards in chat make it weird by implying she was lusting after people when she was just embarassed
sometimes I forget you faggots aren't normal and think this type of creepy behavior is ok. also she didn't even strip off. not gonna waste my time with someone who doesn't even know what he's talking about

>>11623547
You sound like a socially-inept autist. Kiara has a lot going for her already, she just needs an extra push to get her past the goal. Visual design is objectively the one thing she lacks compared to everyone else in her gen.

>>11623763

>>11624186
> t. KFP
Anon you’re right it’s the design. Not her annoying voice, her game choice or the fact that she’s literally the least entertaining of her gen. It HAS to be the design. People who used to watch her left because of the design.

>>11624264
ok, egg

>>11624264
her viewership for jrpgs has been pretty much the same the whole year. what a stupid thing to say.

>>11624310
>>11624333
Why is KFP like this? Seriously. Why are they such fucking yes-men that they are convinced their oshi has no reason to be where she? This thread is full of great arguments as to why she fell off.

>>11624414
where she is*

>>11622891
And you completely ignore Kiara's personality which turns off a lot of people

>>11624414
you told a lie, got called out, now you're crying about "yes men". maybe you're the bitch here?

>>11624576
What lie did I tell? She is not entertaining as proven by the numbers and the people leaving, she plays debuff games and most people agree her chicken voice is fucking annoying. Whichever voice in your head lied to you wasn’t mine anon. Time for meds.

>>11624661
i literally pointed out her viewership has been the same for months, mongoloid. that's literally the only thing you said that isn't subjective opinion and i can actually disprove, and you still fucked up.

>>11624926
She admitted herself people are leaving. You can see this yourself by going in Holostats and scrolling. Anyway anon if you want to blindly white knight an anime girl at least do so somewhere else than an anonymous board. I think she just doomposted on her roommate’s Twitter account again, maybe it would be a good place to start?