/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Nerine
>HoloEU

>>11467182
The legendary cursed collab.

>>11467182
Mocca and Artemis for wave 4.

>>11467182
The troony didn't leave yet?

Tranny shark for niji en male wave 1

>>11467242
I think Pikamee might be the vtuber who has had the most collab partners graduate
>monoe
>the cursed collab
Is it a curse against her or is she slowly assassinating chuubas behind the scenes and replacing them with Corporate AIs?

Did he finally do it?

If Pikamee causes VA to become a holo, I'd thank her.

>>11467370
Mocca? Yeah, he ragequit vtubing after a menhera breakdown. It was someone stabbing him in the back but he never went into detail, just alluded to it. Was it someone in this collab? Who betrayed the legendary femboy chuuba?

>>11467217
>holoEU
Lol, holoEU is less likely than me marrying Sora.

>>11467283
which one?

>>11467422
must be the shark

>>11467422
>Mocca? Yeah, he ragequit vtubing after a menhera breakdown.
He still streams on Twitch with this vtuber avatar.

>>11468032
I mean I love him but that anon isn't totally wrong, he insisted on not being called a vtuber anymore and stuff similar to that
I never shill him because even tho he's a great retro streamer most people couldn't handle the rollercoaster of his menhera brain

>>11467422
It was Lyrica, aka Millie of Nijisanji EN.

>>11468152

>>11467182

Shartemis of the brown

>>11467341
Either way, Tomo is next

>>11468194
I got banned mentionning the name in his chat back then
Lyrica started a flameware by QRT'in a reasonnable mocca take out of context back then and it really fucked with him and started his self sabotage alter
it was pretty discussed back then and not just in 4chan too

Nerine is unhireable. She's not getting anywhere until she sorts her shit out.

>>11467312
Do you think a tranny would be comfortable streaming as a guy? It's tecnically just a character or RP, but I don't know if their autism could handle.

>>11469535
I don't even think that shark is tranny, just literally a dude larping

>>11467182
did they all go to niji?
can I get a quick rundown?
I'm only familiar with pikamee, artemis, nerine and nova/elira

>>11470311
Mint got in first, then invited her whole circle to it with nova lyrica etc

>>11470311
4 of them are in niji EN now, yeah
not sure why mocca is crossed out there

>>11470581
>>11467422
It's crossed because Mocca posted this himself, he keeps going back to saying he's not a vtuber because people expectations/definition of vtubers don't fit him anymore or something

>>11468520
QRD to me the Mocca drama? What is his hot take that made people all want his blood now?

>>11470476
>>11470311
Eh, Pomu and Elira are fine streamer but the other friends of them are pretty meh

>>11470743
he told holobronies to have standards

>>11469422
QRD on her yab?

>>11467182
wait Mocca is already dead?

>>11468520
oh fuck I had totally forgotten about that.

>>11470861
She's just really fucking menhera to the point of constant self-destruction.

>>11467182
who's second from the right?

>>11472096
nerine

Niji 4 will help us forget about Niji 3 and Nijimale 1 flopping.

>>11470743
Since I was following the whole circle at the time I feel I should make a summary
Sadly both Lyrica and her friend deleted the tweets when they got into Niji. Pretty sad because the whole thread and drama was about an interesting topic even if overblown
https://twitter.com/fideyontilt/status/1336576503610560512
You can still see the author of those deleted tweets


Basically Mocca made a serie of tweets about the importance of debut and how people should consider getting a bit of experience in streaming before spending 2-3K$ on model and tweeting until their debut, because 1st impression was important unless you get lucky or had a previous network.
_____
>Advice to upcoming Vtubers: If you never streamed before, go stream right now. >Especially if your debut is months off. Go stream a bunch. Go stream to no one, go stream to your friends - doesn't matter but you gotta stream. Figuring out your software, talking to a slow or empty chat... Getting used to streaming before your debut will help you make a better first impression. And the first impression is EVERYTHING in this scene right now.

">But x never streamed before and is popular" - x is extremely lucky and/or has popular friends that boosted them.

>Figure out if you actually like it first before spending big $$$ on a model. It may look fun from the outside, but there's plenty stuff that can be worrying once you're the one behind the character.
_____
Lyrica QRT'd just a small part of it, giving it a distorted meaning, to state she disagreed and started a whole piling up of hatred from all corners of the EN twitter scene and people mad about lucky being brought up too.
Lyrica only retweet this tweet from his thread :
>In the current EN indie scene (provided you're not friends with big people in the scene) you basically get one shot to have eyeballs on you - the debut. You don't wanna fuck it up by being unprepared and making a bad impression. Learn your craft - streaming is a craft as well.
saying that was wrong and she debuted with no experience and terrible content and made it anyway so it wasn't true

pic related was shared in niji threads a while ago, tho most people went "based elira" and stuff as you'd expected

Later Mocca made a tweet explaining himself (since he parted way with lyrica)

>Now that the dust has settled I wanna say why I responded badly yesterday. In my opinion, if you have a large following, you really ought to try and actually check if there's more to a tweet before quote rting it to your following - especially if you're friendly with the person. This situation could've been resolved by a simple DM saying "Hey Mocca, this is a kinda iffy take, maybe clarify or think over this statement."
>instead of being tweeted to 20k people that will take it, run with it and make me seem like a jerk. It's not cool to come off a stream to half the scene telling you you fucked up somehow, even though it wasn't even the full context that went to everyone. It sucks. I'm not some kind of social media trained corporate streamer. I do not speak for the community nor do I claim I do. Even if what was perceived was ACTUALLY what I said... so? My opinion doesn't need to be broadcast to your following as something horrible. Who cares!!!! If you look to any person with a bigger following than you and take their advice uncritically and apply it to your situation - please don't. We're in the same boat as you. Having a follower account with ~big number~ doesn't make my opinion more right.

Overall Mocca may of course have reacted a bit strongly, but was under a pretty big mob of hate from twitter, and moved to Twitch as a way to distanciate from his youtube circle and get closer to different friends

>>11473163
mocca was always based and right. lyrica is such a fake drama and clout chaser, goddamn. in niji en now it's impossible to tell what she's even supposed to be as she tries to pander to 50 different groups at once

>>11473163
Damn... It's true Lyrica always gave her takes on any drama or viral thing back then, I didn't even watch her but got her tweets constantly in my timeline

>>11473439
funny thing is, she proved mocca right even more by getting into a corpo with her friends already there, and then spending a fortune on her debut assets

>>11473426
I really like Mocca. However I won't pretend he's very rough to deal with, and often act agressively when it's not needed. He keeps sabotaging himself and coming back his own decisions. And never finishing that game.
But he has almost 5 years of experience, he knows the scene extremely well, and sadly had to seen tons of newfags brought by Hololive success coming and redefining what vtubers can be and applying those expectations to indies who never asked for that. So I understand he became bitter.
Still wish he could sort himself out, I feel bad sometimes even if he wouldn't want me to feel bad.

I kinda want Mocca to get into NijiEn now, just to see what a clustefuck it would be when he collabs with Millie\Elira

>>11467341
Ars is cute

>>11467182
Shartamis graduation on the debut anniversary

>>11473163
Do debuts really matter that much? It feels like your following streams do more to solidify your fanbase than that first impression.
He is still right that replying to people like that when you are a pseudo-celebrity followed by an army of autists is retarded. If you don't bother to understand what the fuck the other guy was trying to say, the fags who want your approval certainly won't.

>>11473163
Mocca is truly the epitome of misunderstandings, no wonder she is a menhera fuck now. Hopefully everything works out for them at the end

>>11473887
>Do debuts really matter that much?
In the long term? Not really. First impressions are good to build up an early audience, but if you can't keep them interested in your content then it doesn't mean anything. There are vtubers out there who had bad debuts but grinded out a big audience, both indies and agency affiliated, and the opposite also happens.

>>11467341
Pikamee is the puppet master behind NijiEN, telling Anycolor to get all her indie friends corpo jobs. The other Nijis joke about Petra getting in by nepotism because she was the only one who wasn't under Pika's influence before. She also had the lowest numbers before EN3, coincidence? Doubt it.

Monoe happened because she did her own investigating and uncovered that Pika has more sinister plans for all her corpo plants and the vtubing industry as a whole, which led her to confront Pika and slap her in front of Gyari. When she was graduated they intentionally left out details so her reputation would be slandered by rrats, even though she's the closest thing to a hero in this story. But now she's a jellyfish and too scared to speak out because she was booted from all her circles and no one will taker her seriously.

This is all 100% true and it was revealed to me in a dream

>>11470861
She keeps having mental breakdowns and deleting all her past work to start fresh or go on extended hiatus because people saying mean things on the internet got to her or some shit. Basically, however skilled she is at content creation, she's absolutely unhireable because her track record gives no assurances that she won't have a mental breakdown and drop everything two weeks into the gig

>>11473887
for Corpos absolutely, for indies not as much. Corpos are drawing from a pre-existing fanbase and the debut is where a bunch of that fanbase sticks, but with indies they don't have the company loyalty to create that initial burst, and rely more-so on either a pre-standing reputation as a content creator, or something to make them go viral in the community.

>>11473163
It's amazing how Niji gen 3 managed to get 1 activist and 1 dramawhore. Who the fuck is in charge of the auditions, girls like this should have been filtered at the first step

>>11474244
VA's archive is back online. She's moved on from that.

>>11473163
Wow, fuck Lyrica. What a shitty friend. Was very unlikely to watch her, but now I will never watch her. Also, RIP to Mocca in Nijisanji now. Maybe Holostars EN?

>>11474383
The one in charge is ryuusei nova right there in that image defending lyrica. She's also in Niji EN.

>>11474437
Just realized that. Yeah, Niji EN is trash now. Fuck those whores.

>>11474435
Mocca's been tossing shade towards other vtubers for fucking ever. He constantly comes off as conceited and inflammatory when he feels the need to speak about the industry. It seems fucking exhausting trying to be friends with him. The whole sour grapes shit when he started seeing everyone else make something of their channel/career while he was determined to shoot himself in the foot for the sake of "integrity" was pathetic especially considering he can't even stay true to his own words in terms of retiring, limiting his social media use, etc.

>>11474435
He already shot himself in the foot talking about the hololive audition process and blanking when they asked him to tell them something a story from his school life

>>11474578
Maybe, but those tweets are not throwing shade at all. That's pretty solid advice and for them to freak out like that thinking they're getting insulted, reeks of menhera and insecurity. Along with being a shitty friend of course.

>>11473642
Now, I want to see it, that Millie bitch seems like cringe and insufferable, her and her old friends(the bird girl, Pomu, Elira) just starting to form their own clique inside the NijiEN, promoted each other and left out the other girls to dust and nijiniggers seem like encourage it and often numberfagging against the poor performance outsider girl. I feel bas the the other girls who isn't inside of their friend circle tho. Getting Mocca in would be the final yab for nijiEN and I love it

>>11474435
>Also, RIP to Mocca in Nijisanji now.
Which sucks, because Mocca and Mint/Pomu still seem to be on friendly terms. Mocca followed Pomu after debut, and I think I recall him liking some of her tweets.

>>11474685
Funny thing is Pomu seems like she's being left as the odd one out even though she's old friends with Elira/Millie/Enna, since those three are much closer friends with each other than they are to her. At least it seems that way to me from how much those three mention each other.

>>11474651
If they were friends then a reaction like that doesn't happen unprovoked. I agree with the sentiment but he's an abrasive person and eventually you just get sick of being around those people even if the breakpoint is something harmless

>>11467217
>HoloEU
Ah yes, Europe, known for it's one (1) language that makes them so different from HoloEN, yes.

>>11474341
It's still just a first impression, they still have access to the Corpo fanbase who can find them again. Even if they have a really bad start good collabs or viral moments can boost them, and even without those they are constantly pushed just by being part of a Corpo. Of course it'll be harder but it's not a death sentence, granted they don't live up to the bad first impression.

>>11474727
Pomu is too busy bleeding viewers by acting like a whore thinking it's what they want

>>11474685
>>11474435
>>11474511
Yeah im sure he was just champing at the bit to work there

>>11467242
it's hardly cursed when 3 of them went from 2view indie to 802view corpo

>>11468520
>Lyrica started a flameware by QRT'in a reasonnable mocca take out of context back then
What the fuck does this mean?

>>11474825
yeah but those viral moments are essentially up to chance, and collab boosts usually manifest more across multiple collab streams than just 1. Debuts are essentially a guaranteed viral stream which means you have time to prepare and practice for how to keep people around after the debut is over.

>>11475091
Twitter has a low character limit on it's posts, this means that oftentimes people have to split up their long rants into multiple posts, this comes with the risk that someone could QRT (quote re-tweet) a random post in the middle, and people who see that QRT will just see the post that was QRT'd and the response, with none of the context.

>>11475091
>>11473163
Now I have a feeling it's Lyrica/Millie and her friends will be the reason tear nijiEN apart, not Nina, the e-thot SJW. Backstabber and clout chaser attention whore are suck a dangerous combo, it absolutely danger when she is backed by her friends when they are out number in nijiEN

>>11475292
https://youtu.be/rHV09L1_t0g

>>11470861
have a long story instead
Nerine is a menhera. Her past life had 200k subs on youtube, she was having a nice income thanks to patreon for making youtube videos and was generally liked by everyone.
It wasn't until 2020 when it was clear her mental state was starting to deteriorate, starting to make retarded tweets and political activism. She clearly was burned out of doing essay videos, and announced the end of her activities as a youtuber, and deleted her old twitter account to then create the current Nerine one (this was announced by the time the HoloEN auditions were evaluated so a lot of anons thought she was going to join HoloEN).
Everyone was fine until they found out she privated all her videos, which led to twitter slapfights where Nerine couldn't stop sperging on her followers and starting to reach delusional menhera levels with stuff like "I'll be the one to bring back respect to content creators".
At some point she realised how broken she was, announcing a hiatus for mental health, promising she'll return to streaming but now as something that will happen sporadically.
Months go by and she comes back, rebranding both her twitch and Nerine account and becomes a vtuber((or vstreamer as she likes to call, the girl is pretty much traumatized by youtube), promising new content that wouldn't be possible with her old persona .
Instead streams were a significant downgrade from her past life streams, full of awkward silences, lack of enthusiasm and a heavily moderated chat where your messages will be deleted for no reason whatsoever.
She starts to fail her schedule, cancelling streams left and right, to then admitting she's not in a good spot at all.
All of this continue until a certain thread about her was made, but while that thread was just like any other Nerine thread with the same complains anons had about her. This one was particular because during her stream that day, it gave the impression she was reading it, where she talked about her content, how she was afraid of making new content because she tought her audience will hate her.
The next day she made a post in her past life youtube, adressing complains that were being talked there (the privatization of her videos, the rrat that she was making money off patreon for a while after announcing the end of her youtube activities, the reason why she made private her old videos) and also made her videos public again.
She then started her meds arc (I'm not joking, she's going to a medic and taking her meds) but her schedule is still a complete mess with cancellations left and right.
She has said that she was feeling pretty lonely and wanted to be part of a group (the reason why there's so many nijifans that speculate about her joining all the time). I wanna feel sorry for her, but she ghosted a lot of her old friends from her youtube days that her current loneliness is 100% her fault and unless you are another vtuber, e-celeb or an artist, she won't reply to you.
All in all, she's prime saviourfag material, a broken girl with self-esteem issues and self-destructive tendencies

>>11475424
seems like she is in her midlife crisis arc where her biological clock is ticking, women at their 30s but still single are all menhera like that

She's not in OP image but I thought Kani Kanizawa would end up in Niji EN4, she stopped streaming at kind of a suspect time and she was part of the EN talent pool Niji is picking from.

>>11475651
P-pomu...

>>11475683
From what I recall, she mentioned she got busy with irl work projects.

>>11470801
People are only saying this because those two got in. Neither of them are particularly stand out from their old circle

>>11475683
Unfortunately it sounds like she's actually on hiatus for the reasons she said in the end. If she ever does join a corp I'll support her though

>>11475683
Niji EN4 seems like a male wave, people think they will come from the Elira's male circle of friend, if that happens nijiEN male will be doom to be irrelevant because they're all boring fag

>>11475820
They are all average streamer, no thing special and gets carried hard by the branch name, i think only Selen stands out because there's no vtuber like her in the EN market

>>11475833
who are those?

>>11475651
From what I remember, she's 27, so maybe it's her biological clock. I didn't include it on the post but there's a lot of rrats about her relationships.
One rrat said she was dating an underage boy, with the proofs being on her tumblr, which is nuked.
The other rrat was that she was into older men and participated in swinger parties.
I remember once seeing an archive of her old streams and seemingly her bf was there, I couldn't find it so it's another rrat unless someone finds it
What is known is that she's bi and likes manlets.

>>11475804
They always have some excuse so I figured she was lying, guess not! unless she gets in with Luto's corp, they seemed to collab a lot once Kani's friends ditched her

>>11475833
The only difference between Elira and her male friends when she was Nova is that she had a vagina. They all made the same type of content, told the same jokes she still does now and sung

>>11474801
>1 Frenchchuuba
>1 Germanchuuba
>1 Spanishchuuba
>1 Russianchuuba
Last slot either Italian, Bri'ish, Swedish or T*rkish and you have basically covered all the major markets.
Anyone worth their salt on EU internet can speak passable English anyway.

>>11475683
Atelier Live is crumbling down, all the good people they had are graduating

>>11476144
Was Atelier Live even much of a thing to begin with?

>>11476191
They were more popular than the Hanamoris that Pomu and Elira came from. I always got the impression they weren’t as good or even real friends and we’re largely a collection of people using each other for clout though

>>11475833
If that happenned, not only would they be irrelevant but they would also probably be acussed of leeching off the girls and riding on their coattails and work.

>>11476191
They had some hype because of the tranny shark. They were just an indie group of artist vtubers.

>>11474435
>Mocca
>Holostars EN
Yeah no, he already burnt that bridge during Council announcement. His vtubing career might as well be dead

>>11476455
What did he do?

>>11467217
>>11474801
>>11476134
HoloEU would be HoloEN gen 3 but with Kiara-alikes. Cover is also not very efficient so they would forget to get a spanish chuuber to appeal to mexicans.

>>11473163
>In the current job finding scene (provided you're not friends with big people in the company) you basically get one shot to have eyeballs on you - the debut. You don't wanna fuck it up by being unprepared and making a bad impression. Learn your craft - interviewing is a craft as well

>>11476539
i think he was the one that ranted about how vtuber fans are all tools/marks for getting hype over debuts and speculating on design, voice, personality etc when council got announced

>>11473887
It depends, but on Youtube it really does. Note that he mentioned this applied if you didn't start with a network;
Indies starting on Youtube to do "just like the holos" face the same issue, 0 discoverability and networking tools. Every single time, they get X people on debut, then between 20 and 60% of X in their first stream, and it very slowly decline until it stabilize at half of the first streams. You can check for 90% of youtube indies this pattern, africat koopa bea all the tsunderia girls and countless others
In that case your initial debut impression is critical. It's about the only time you'll get new eyes on you.

>>11473887
Debut hype matters a lot, see how Artemis despite honestly not being anything special (you can find better without too much effort) still got like 500 viewers for a long time, just from the % of people staying from debut.

>>11474727
Mint was friend with everyone and never really touched drama (unlike lyrica or nova who did like to get in)

>>11468520
>shirara
b-b-b-b-b-b
oh shit

>>11476816
>>11476539
He doesn't make it easy for himself clearly, tendency to just say his thoughts with little filter.
Granted the shit he got from that esp after it was posted on /vt/ was really far too much

>>11477209
at a point it just becomes negative attention seeking and there stops being any sympathy. he knows he's going to get shit for saying that kind of stuff, that's why he says it

>>11467182
Hopefully Pikamee, retarded reddit kettlepot needs to fuck off with her autistic wapanese fanbase. At least with Kuzuha you get the real JP experience, not this gay weebfufillment shit.

>>11473163
>all he did was be based and call vtweeters shitters
HE DID
NOTHING
WRONG

>>11475882
Not really, she's just the mlp latch on for contrarians.

>>11474669
Hiring people from same circle make for a easy "chemistry" early on but it's also a bit boring given there's not much room to grow from here

Basically :
Pomu is a good hire, pretty competent, didn't involve herself in drama, good powerlevel.
Elira was more risky and likely nepotism as she had the bad habit of agressively defending her friends even in the wrong, but thanksfully she's been behaving well in Niji so far
Millie is really nepotism + big numbers, even if leeching is part of networking, she's been too far in that, replying to every holo tweet she could, donating with her channel on holo streams to get attention, same in prechats of them etc. she leeched a lot from Moona, and went in twitter Drama just for the exposure
There's worse than her of course but still leave a bad taste

>>11477324
t. doesn't watch any of them

I think that what's important it's to have an "event", something really important that shows the best of you. Most vtubers treat the debut as the only one big thing they'll do in their entire careers so they spent months and months being vtweeters and creating hype for something that will fall flat for lack of streaming practice or other issues.
If you have a disaster of a debut, you can make another big event to draw attention once again. Take your freedoms, because after all, you are an indie.

>>11477348
Where is he wrong?

>>11475091
I don't blame you for not getting it if you don't use twitter much which is ok
QRT is quote retweet, basically framing someone else's tweet in your own and you add your own comment about it
By design it's almost always used to take something out of its initial context, give your hot take on it to all your followers hugbox and let people be outraged
There was a whole paper about it coming to the same conclusions https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.07933.pdf

>>11477479
It's really hard to have "big" events when barely anyone cares about you. Your biggest bet in that case is just collabing with bigger chuubas, ie networking which Mocca mentioned.

>>11476191
>>11475829
>>11475804
Wait, I checked her debut and a few streams and honestly it was really bad, like struggling to speak, shitty internet and frames, pretty boring, even if getting the numbers buff from artemis. So I assume she improved? I feel she had 0 experience when she started.

>>11477348
didn't list a single actual stream example just petty tribalism shit and dredging up old drama. yeah elira was totally a nepotism hire because recruiters definitely give a shit about fucking twitter drama, the lowest possible form of human interaction. all three are entertaining, good at talking and chat interaction, great singers, and experienced streamers.

>>11477694
Meant to quote
>>11477549

It wont be Pikamee, she's the spearhead for Voms and just moved into a new house after buying a sound-proof booth

>>11477194
Ah yeah, she piled on mocca adding to the drama (she's always been pretty mentally unstable anyway) and he blocked her and she then cried about it https://twitter.com/dumplingshirara/status/1337146362371031041

>>11477251
I mean he had/has a lot of normal non negative tweets, but the "negative" ones are always the only people screenshot and stuff so... but now he removed any mention of vtubing or streams to his account and protected so yeah w/e

>>11477812
council is probably the most hyped vtuber related thing to happen in the western sphere, throwing his two cents in about how above it all he is at that point is literally just asking for drama

>>11467182
Miki only the one I still watch. She is the super sheltered and girly rl. The perfect combination for content

>>11474727
Pomu is the reason those whores got into Niji, fren

>>11478074
Nah, Elira auditioned at the same time Pomu did. If anyone got Millie/Enna into Niji EN, it'd be Elira. Those two literally cannot stop gushing about how much they love Elira.

I hope Pomu can find some better friends.

>>11477913
>council is probably the most hyped vtuber related thing to happen in the western sphere
And look where they are now, only HoloJP2 rivals how boring Council is. They kind of proved him right. Not that I disagree with the just asking for drama bit.

ITT: /hlgg/ and /wvt/ fags shill fake drama while never watching a single non-holo stream.

>>11478185
I don't give a fuck if council is good or bad or whatever, the hype for them was absolutely unprecedented and he dove in at its peak to take a dump on everyone's new toy. He knew what he was doing.

>>11478185
It's hilarious how people keep shitting on his takes but reality keeps proving him right.

>>11477769
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>>11478243
Nah it's /vwt/, this is them going after Niji after they failed to tie Fauna to PL drama. Kind of disappointed to see them acting like this.

>>11478163
She'll be fine, she's getting along great with Selen and Finana.

>>11478338
Yeah, Finana entertains Pomu's minecraft autism.

>>11478329
If they were /wvt/ fags they would have brought up Domo at some point and they didn't.

>>11478329
What's the dif between wvt and vwt

>>11477694
>>11477348
He isn't not wrong about Lyrica and Elira tho, there're many indies with their skill set, they gets carried hard by the company brand, both holo and niji

>>11473163
Ohh. This is sad... Yet spicy. Thank you for your contribution.

>>11478243
>>11478329
I have been watching nijisanji since 2018, fags. I still stand on how nijisanji hired Elira/Enma/Millie friend circle will bite them in the ass later, unlike Selen, Pomu, Petra who seem to be very tame and yab free

>>11478743
>yab
Nice try but you outed yourself. Now keep it in /hlgg/.

>>11477694
You can find girls like them everywhere, once again people will just convince themselves some vtubers are special just because they're now in the company they like and/or collabing with their oshi. Even fucking NijiNina got her army of whiteknights instantly, the same people who would have mocked and shat on her if exposed to her before she had the niji tag.
Literally pick any indie vtuber and give them the niji or holo label and they instantly will have a mob of fan defending them everywhere.

>>11473163
I remember Mint and Lyrica both responded with basically the same message but bc Lyrica did a QRT instead of commenting he got pissed at her. His response to Mint was fine so it was prob that he didn't like that Lyrica QRTd or he just didn't like her in general.

>>11478743
Sure you have buddy.

>>11473163
Twitter mobs are absolute cancer.

>>11479069
seems futile but honestly it changes a lot, QRT take something out of context and intended audience to show it to your audience with your take, while a response is more an exchange in the initial context and make it easier to discuss
QRT are often used in that pretty toxic way in general

>>11478804
You don't have to sound so bitter

>>11479069
How much of a dramawhore was lyrica anyways. Was she constantly "calling out" 2views and had a fanbase that would say "YOU TELL EMM QUEEN"?

>>11478771
>>11479135
lol, no need to be defensive, it makes you look like company drones, here is a hint, that is the time when RKS was still playing custom game with their fans. I bet you fags only watch nijiEN and know shit about nijisanji in general

>>11479246
Not to that point but everytime some drama started to happen she always had to give her hot take, I ended up knowing about her from seeing her so many times on my feed of en chuubas
Not the worst crime but still the kind of vtuber I'd avoid usually

If Mocca's so much better than Lyrica how come one has a job and one doesn't?

>>11479393
Mocca had more regular viewers than Lyrica back when he tried, despite having half the follower count. He's just too menhera to try or doesn't want to be a streamer anymore.

>>11479393
Lyrica is be much better at sucking dicks than Mocca will ever be. Men just simply can't compete with women when it comes to dick sucking

>>11479261
Anon it's okay, you don't have to keep going

>>11479294
seems like a me me me attention whore like Kiara, leech of other clout and used drama to advertise herself and make her to be the center of attention in every group

>>11479524
Dicksucking is the number one skill for moving up the ladder in any industry. What kind of femboy is he if he can't even suck dick?

>>11478804
Try harder in the auditions next time, buddy.

So we love Mocca now?

>>11479545
Lol, you don't seem know who is RKS and what game they have played huh? Go cry over at your drones discord with your faggot buddies

Nah, I still think Mocca is a dumb menhera that will one day kill himself, it's just that the other actors involved are also douches

>>11479393
one prioritze network, clout chasing and is pretty normal mentally
that's mostly what matter in term of getting a job

>>11479691
The indie scene is very cutthroat, both in EN and JP market

>>11479393
Mocca is legitimately one of the most talented and experienced EN indies out there, but she's way too menhera to do anything with it. truly the van gogh of vtubing, but if you amplified the mental struggles by three

>>11467422
Wait, Mocca's a guy? He sure fooled me. I still like his voice.

With each passing day, I see more and more just how absolutely FUCKED the boys will be when they arrive, especially if they are nobodies without any prior connection to the current members, those poor suckers are in for a hellish ride by the time they come, I really don't envy those bastards' position.

>>11479668
The drones won't get you anon

>>11479792
The most likely boys we’ll get will be from Elira’s circle. Not even due to nepotism but because they’re just the notable men in the scene that fit the common attributes the girls have been hired on

>>11479902
You've made a more vapid post than any of the gossip here.

>>11479792
What are you implying they're in danger of, getting dragged into drama?

>>11479972
getting fucked by pomu

>>11479902
nijisisters...

>>11479933
ignore them, they are nijisanji drones who will defend anything come from their favorite even though it's legitimate criticisms
>>11479809
lol why would i care, i have been watching nijisanjiJP and JP indieslong before your cronies even know vtuber exists, but i'm not a company drone like you tho

>>11480235
All this but hololive

>>11479603
I always have.

>>11480318
I mean yeah, that's the cause for both >>11479294 applies to many holo girls as well, not all, but definitely quite a few

>>11480235
>>11479668
>>11479261
>>11478743
>no true scotsman
See ya.

>>11479933
>>11480235

>>11479603
Always have but never recommended him cause he's definitely far outside the standards expectations people have especially in an hololive board.

>>11480397
Shut the fuck up, Lyrica.

>>11480235
>they are nijisanji drones who will defend anything come from their favorite even though it's legitimate criticisms
Sounds like Mocca after he was rejected from Hololive funnily enough.

>>11480387
No guys his criticism about this twitter drama is really important

>>11480442

Is this an attempt to derail the thread of nijiniggers? Blame everything on Mocca, poor menhera tranny, become the scapegoat for nijinigger to defend their favorite bitch

Oh well, it was an interesting thread for a while but now it's just a schizo and a SEAnigger screeching at each other.

>Gets rejected from Hololive
>Goes on several rants about how Nijisanji is a great company where people can be themselves whereas Hololive is soulless drek
>Gets backstabbed by Lyrica
>Has a breakdown
>Tells any of his followers that are hololive fans to unfollow him immediately
>Mostly stops streaming
>Lyrica joins NijiEN
Not even a Hololive tribalist but this shit is just too fucking funny. Poetry.

>>11480627
Works for Holobronies

>>11480697
Well, it's been fun.

>>11480709
Still watting for the internal explosion of nijiEN by the drama of those nepotism clique, bunch of cliques with some backstab western women concentrated in one place is a recipe for disaster

>>11480959
It'll happen the moment you manage to score a 9.0 overall IELTS band score.

>>11467422
they can't stab him in the back unless they posted personal information of his... something like flirting or a age gap relationship.

Or he's one of the people smart about internet drama and knows to stay silent

>>11479972
It's less them being in danger and more so them going to have a shit ton of things against them and making things way harder from them than they would be already and generally being on a worse position than the girls for much longer than them too.

>>11478743
LMAO All those nepotism thread nijiniggers used as distraction suddenly flipped against them.

>>11481308
same but with hololive

This entire thread is just more proof that twitter in particular is very corrosive to the people who post in it frequently. It's just a cynical culture of people finding other people to tear apart for cheap dopamine bursts until it's inevitably their turn to receive the 2 minutes hate. I'm pretty convinced there isn't a worse website on the internet to choose as your primary social media outlet, even here is healthier.

>>11479972
Being left out of the group because they are not friend in the first place for a start, it can happen when the old friend group outnumber the outsider

holobronies used the same formulated tactic for vshojo and people act like their schizo shit is new. Hint: most of them were vrchat friends prior

>>11481308
It's, they are just too irrelevant and stay underradar for a long time now because of the Council hype

>>11476134
>Swedish
god no
t. swede

>>11481463
This is true for Mocca, Lyrica and almost the entire indie scene. Severe twitter brain.
>even here is healthier
The thing about anonymous posting is even if it compels people to act like schizos, edgelords and retards, it means the site is relatively clout-chasing free with a few exceptions for different boards. Even the /here/chuubas aren't that bad in some ways when you really think about it.

>>11481409
Last I checked, there are threads that blatantly attacked holo for nepotism. Nijiniggers can't even damage control properly.

>>11481637
Who's even supposed to be the nepotism hire in council? Just Sana?

>>11481637
literally this same but with holobronies

>>11481721
Sana and Kronii.

>>11481463
yeap

>>11481721
None. Nijiniggers used that as cope without even looking at themselves

>>11481721
it's not council. Try Sora and Korone

>>11481766
Do people really still think kronii is connected to ina just because they speak korean?

>>11481807
>Sora

>>11481766
Sana and Bae you mean, and the Bae thing is just a hunch based on her and Ollie knowing each other.

What the fuck do holos have to do with any of this? Fuck off.

>>11481807
While Korone came as a "buy one get one free" deal with Okayu the situation isn't really the same because they had both demonstrated they were competent entertainers before and Okayu still had to go through the normal audition process. Korone wasn't looking too hot at the start either but it worked out.
>>11481827
>both canadian
>both korean diaspora
It's obvious, anon.

>>11481883
>>11481827
So a bunch of hunches and guesses whereas Ethyria is not even hiding that their friends were in Niji EN, lmao

>nepotism is only bad if non-holos do it
>even if it isn't true, just make shit up to have a reason to hate them
this is why no one likes holobronies

when did Mocca off themselves

>>11482044
The Sana thing is the only confirmation, but yeah, exactly. Hell I'm not even against referral hires, but also, you gotta remember Mori referred MilkyQueen and she didn't get in.

>>11482064
Find a better cope nijinigger. Or better, work on your damage control since 3/4 of your new blood are just ticking yabs.

>>11482231
no one cares about "yabs" you infantile retard, cope

There are 50 other tribalnigger threads up, why did you need to come here?

>>11482317
>Mocca in the OP
It was clearly a fight waiting to happen

>>11468520
Wait who are Lyrica, Nova and Mint?

>>11482307
Ah yes. The "let's act when everything is full blown" type. Reliable when everything is falling apart.

>>11482362
they are reps not yet repped, anon, get to it

>>11482339
Mocca drama is more interesting than the same tribal shitflinging that's been done 5 millions times already.

>>11482408
Is it really though?

>>11482389
your hate campaign didn't work for vshojo and it sure as hell isn't working for nijiEN since the "worst" """"yab"""" prone one is the most liked
actually cope

>>11482362
Lyrica = Millie
Nova = Elira
Mint = Pomu
You can see their twitter to glimpse at their personality, they're pure cring and sometime tried to leech hololive in the twitter reply

>>11482483
>hate campaign
This is your brain on twitter

>>11482443
I have to admit it's pretty funny every time Mocca defiantly tells /wvt/ off to his chat and next up he's having a mental breakdown over what's being said here

>>11482588
>>>twitter
this is your brain on cope

>>11482611
You got me there, actually. I can't stand the fucker these days but fair enough.

>>11482443
I think so at least. It's a chance to talk about the western vtuber industry as a whole rather than just compare numbers between 2 companies.

>>11467182
This thread really goes to show what a wasteland EN vtubing is outside of HoloEN.

>>11474669
What "other girls"? 4/10 of them are friends from their indie days. 1 is Selen who's bigger than all and them and doesn't give a fuck. 1 is Finana who is super close to Pomu/Elira now. No one should even want to be close with Nina. The bird is super close to Millie. Ghost/Petra are kind of outsiders but Petra has a lot of circumstances that make it harder for her to connect with the others and I think they try to still include her. Ghost just got started so there's no way to say she's being "excluded".

>>11482645
Weak. Far too weak for an argument. Work on counterpoints and next time, try to understand the meaning of these terms.

>>11482064
Let's be serious, it's mostly nijiniggers and 2view groomers shitting on hololive for nepotism and holofags are just retaliating back by pointing out that nijisanji also does the same shit, also
>even if it isn't true
Implying they're wrong, the entirety of Nijien is a nepotism orgy at the moment

>>11480479
Nina, why are you like this?

>>11478138
They got in because they were semi-successful indie vtubers. The bar for Niji EN ain't exactly so high you have to be part of some nepotistic cabal to make it. The qualifications for Selen, Petra, Nina, Finana ect were pretty thin and they still got in without knowing anyone.

>>11482895
>playing victim
korone was a member for how long? And you retards bring up nepotism now? Pretty sure you're stirring shit because you hate nina and petra's nepotism joke caught on and was well liked in the community

>>11482895
You holoniggers are the ones who came into a thread that had nothing to do with you, get some self-awareness.

Mocca's live now
https://www.twitch.tv/moccachan

>>11483039
Actually it was some fag saying that this thread was just /hlgg/ and /wvt/ talking shit
No one brought up hololive drama before then.

>>11483039
Well do you want a thread about this nijinigger?

>>11482834
What compels someone to write so authoritatively on something they are clueless on?

>>11479792
Still better than being a male western indie, whatever the troubles. If they don't like it they can always fuck off and graduate, but I bet none of them do because even getting 400 viewers is 10X more than they got before.

>>11467182
Shartemis needs to 41% already.

>>11483116
standard holobrony behavior. What do you actually suspect from someone that hates any non-holo and their only information comes from schizo echo chambers

>>11482895
Yeah, it's only Pomu and Elira at the start but now they are a big group inside nijiEN, literally half of them are old friend now, just wait for the male wave and they will out number the ousider group, it will effect their future collab, event plans and interaction that if the new outsider doesn't fit in, they will be isolated

>>11483049
he sounds different

>>11482895
nini and holo have the exact same issue, I watch some chuubas from both, doesn't mean I have to like fucking everything they do, tribalism was always stupid even back then when niji fans were the most numerous in /vyt/, the only I always mocked was cumdust even if his drawings were nice

>>11479567
>>11479547

and this attitude is typical of newfags, probably started watching Niji with EN
I've always used Niji threads the second the general was finaly created
NijiEN thread is barely recognizable in culture, it feels more like holo threads
Yes, niji strategy for the EN branch was disappointing, they went far too safe both in content (didn't even bother getting males too, nice pandering to holo) and in mostly picking the big ones from similar circles
Niji scouts usually try to find people with original personality or content, not people who are big because they spent most of their time playing the number and clout chasing game, which is what lyrica and a few others are
I still have some hope for NijiEN but it's really not worth calling anyone saying something bad about it a "jealous 2view" or holobrony, nonsense.

Once again, /wvt/ is seething that they didn't get into either corp.

>>11483326
Really? I don't watch him much but he sounds pretty similar to his previous streams, just not talking as much

>>11483168
Oh yeah it's looking very rough for NijiEN males, starting so long after 3 fucking waves of girl only and being themselves one gender, only reason being Niji went hard for the Hololive audience, and it will make it incredibly hard for the guys

>>11483456
no, they're too busy cancelling guys they feel like and worried about their moral high ground to bother for that

>>11483168
>isolated
Finana and Petra have fit in very well despite the former being a literal vtweeter and the latter being mostly unknown to the rest.
The males will do fine, as the first two waves have proven that they are not afraid to collab with males, and the nijiEN audience has accepted all of the males that have come on stream so far.

>>11483492
I used to watch some of his streams, he sounded like a loser with a german accent but now he sounds like a massive homosexual

>>11483371
>it feels more like holo threads
No surprise there, Anycolor pandered heavily to the holo audience, down to not getting any male for three (well technically two) waves and half a year.
Tbh, something I always liked about Nijisanji since I started getting into afer stumbling upon Hana and later Bonnivier, was how varied the backgrounds of several livers are, some come from streaming on NND, others come from doing random things on the internet and others were literal whos, some of which hadn't even streamed before they joined, with NijiEN they just went as safe as possible, which, tbf, was understandable since they were going with a disadvantage and came from the disaster that was NijiIN, so I can understand their actions and possible reasons for them, but it's still pretty dissapointing overall, especially with the no males part.

>>11483493
Yeah, it was already gonna be hard for them but now after all this time and all the shit the girls have done, things will be WAY tougher for them.

Nijimales are aborted at this point, it will never ever happen.

>>11467182
Why is Mocca crossed out? Shes literally streaming right now.

>>11483723
Damn, I'm sold, thanks.

>>11483371
>the only I always mocked was cumdust even if his drawings were nice
glad to see you here, old friend
>I've always used Niji threads the second the general was finaly created
NijiEN thread is barely recognizable in culture, it feels more like holo threads
Yes, niji strategy for the EN branch was disappointing, they went far too safe both in content (didn't even bother getting males too, nice pandering to holo) and in mostly picking the big ones from similar circles
Niji scouts usually try to find people with original personality or content, not people who are big because they spent most of their time playing the number and clout chasing game, which is what lyrica and a few others are
I still have some hope for NijiEN but it's really not worth calling anyone saying something bad about it a "jealous 2view" or holobrony, nonsense.
yeah, it would be great if they stop at Obsydia and think about hiring people outside of the EN indie scene with fresh personality and content, they seem to forget what made them popular in Japan, hiring people from the same circle meant more people with the same content and personality, it would get stale very fast, one of the greatest streng of nijiJP is the diversity in content and personality.
>>11483597
the problem will arise when Elira/Lyrica/Pomu's male friends will make it in the male wave. their stuff and personality are too subdued, and their content are just some utaite adjective or some uneventful, not to mention in one side you have a group of male+female friend and some male outsider. It would be very rough, that shit is a recipe for a disaster. If the ousider males become closer to the girl, shit will happen, if the ousider males can't fit in, it will be absolutely rough. of one of the girl of the inside group don't like any of the outsider, shit can be even more rougher.
NijiEN needs something fresh out of the EN vtuber norm

>>11481982
If that was true Kronii wouldn't have had to be a 2view vtuber before. Sana didnt.

>>11483371
>Niji scouts usually try to find people with original personality or content
From Enna's Q&A marshmallow stream she was half serious and half tongue in cheek, but did say Elira was one of the EN scouts or at least had input with advice on who to hire. It does make sense given the evidence on who was hired. EN runs completely differently than JP for sure.

>>11484507
>If the ousider males
That assumes there will be any outsiders.

>>11484624
Who's the EN manager anyway? Their EN strategy has honestly been garbage.

>>11476144
>>11478282
Getting implicitly cancelled for not following the herd mentality should be something we're against. It's not his fault for making an even handed and rational point and getting lambasted by people who are too tribal to consider alternative view points. If anything it'd just proper scrutiny to question and challenge ideas and products

>>11484758
>Who's the EN manager anyway?
a little known tranny called "omega alpha"

>>11473887
>Do debuts really matter that much?
Yes they tell me whether I could stick around or come back much later when you get your shit together, hopefully I will remember you still exist

>>11484507
Go back to /jp/

>>11484758
No idea, one of Elira's friends for sure if she's able to have a say in things.

The male EN vtuber market is completely untested. Nobody knows how big it is.

There are some indie males, but the bigger ones started as something else and don't make typical vtuber-style content. I don't know of any who try for the gachkoi route.

Meanwhile, there are many western women who are into anime or gacha and there are very successful non
2D Youtubers and Twitch streamers.

It's only a matter of time before someone succeeds.

>>11484989
We'll get at least one of her friends for sure even if she doesn't have a say in anything. I don't really agree with the assumption about nepotism but I absolutely agree that their hiring and management is shit in the EN branch.
The males will certainly be "popular male vtubers with Japanese proficiency and anisong experience" which limits them to like, less than 10 dudes, half of which are part of Elira's inner circle.

FUCK ELIRA
FUCK MILLIE
FUCK ENNA
FUCK NINA

>>11477769
Ah is the ''larp as a idol'' girl, it's always the same indie circle of vtubers in these dramas

>>11476134
Every Swede who's into vtubers already watches EN. Better give a spot to the based countries that refuses to learn English

>>11484758
>Their EN strategy has honestly been garbage.
How so?

>>11476134
>1 Ottomanchuuba
Their group will be called F.R.O.G.S.

>>11477769
cute

>>11484507
Stop being such a worrywart, mother.

>>11477769
Imagine publicly making a fucking twitter thread because some guy blocked you

>>11484624
Wait really? I didn't watch her Q&A stream, since I was busy and she didn't interest me more, but did she really say that, surprised I didn't see anyone mention it before if so.

>>11477278
We did it, we found the one person on the board who doesn't like pikamee.

I miss Miki so much...

Mocca could have been the femboy to lead change in the EN scene, given his actual skill as entertainer/retro streamer
What a shame, brain too fucked

>>11484883
Yeah and if all was perfectly fair and just we'd all be fucking happy but my point is not what should have happened, it's that it was very easy to predict what would happen and he did it anyway because he craves negative attention.

Did Nina just speak aloud the lobby code?

>>11489427
only if the code is "HONEY"

>>11475424
Unironically she should probably reach out to Clemps again. Unless they had some behind the scenes falling out, he'd be more than happy enough to get back in touch I'm sure. Fuckin nerd's nice and sociable to everyone who likes drakengard

Will Lyrica pull a power move, or will Nina have a mental breakdown about whoring herself out with the mommy shit first?

>>11484888
>He controls HoloEN and NijiEN and is playing tribalfags like puppets
He can't keep getting away with it

>>11493771
And he's also Ina husband. Lucky bastard.

>>11492308
I think after she unprivated those videos she got in contact with superbutterbuns again. So maybe some of her old friends are willing to connect with her again.

>>11487007
The context question was something about who are her role models in Nijisanji, and she was praising Elira during one part of the answer and said she was the branch boss of Niji EN and a top scouter. It was the first question in the Q&A if I recall. Really easy to miss.

>>11493061
I think both, bitches can't stand each other, today's collab is really awkward between them, Lyrica and her friend tried to provoke Nina while the ghost girl seems like a third wheel who just wants to play the damn game, pretty no chemistry between them, this wave 3 seems like a flop so far

>>11493061
Since there are a lot more people in Elira's clique, i'd say it's more likely Nina will have to play along or be ostracized.

>>11485922
I've said it in other threads before, but they should've started like they did with the other branches and debuted a mixed gender gen, preferably with a non human avatar mixed it to immediately make it visually clear that they are different hololive, instead of the current situation where they are being viewed as knockoff hololive

>>11486999
She's a compulsive liar and a drama seeker, always has been always will be. Normally I wouldn't give a shit about some vtuber drama whore, those are a dime a dozen, but she's in a team with one of my favourites.

>>11494895
timestamp?

>>11467182
/sfg/ Lurker who watches Clear Usui here. Have there ever been actual reincarnations?

Off-note, I randomly found out of the blonde green-eyed girl graduation stream, it was really sad seeing what was going on. Any idea why that happened, as far as I know, she was an "indie" Vtuber, not sure how common is graduation among those not employed by a corporation.

>>11467217
Nerine is too menhera for an agency

>>11479792
>especially if they are nobodies without any prior connection to the current members
Lol.

>>11474727
Pomu actually wants to grow the branch rather than isolate the remaining members.

>>11503093
Clear is based. All the girls X’d out in OP image (except the brown hair one) have already reincarnated into Nijisanji EN characters.

>>11494887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWEGZRvgVig&t=383
Holy fucking shit why does this get me so angry? Who the fuck gave this bitch so much power and why? It's guaranteed the male wave will just be her friends and maybe one rando.

>>11503972
>best performer of her wave
It was the only possible outcome

>>11473163
I wasn't really paying attention to this when I still lurk on the garbagecan /wvt/ and brushed it off as something of a screeching match girls normally do. Most of the drama are archived on that threads right?

>>11479547
Fucking hate Kiara. Easily the worst out of all the big corpo tubers.

Also what the fuck is this new capcha thing?

>>11504446
>new
Anon...

>>11481807
Korone is a beloved holomember. Whats next, you gonna say Watame only got in because she blew Yagoo? That Gura only got in because she's connected with Ame?

>>11504553
I have never seen a Captcha like this slide shit

>>11473529
All he has to do is brush it off and ignore a twitter mob. Not all vtuber otaku are on twitter anyway and most indies past the HoloEN goldilocks period are mostly hobbyists anyway. Honestly, the vtubers on /wvt/ and on /vt/ ate better than the faggots who rely on twitter clout and it really tells you something about the current state of twitterfaggotry. Didnt mocca said something unsavory towards /wvt/ before or am I just misremembering things?

>>11467217
>Holo EU
>It's Kiara using 5 different avatars

>>11504446
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>>11494469
She was also in the SuperButterBuns Bloodborne Collab, though this was in between the privatization and vstreamer start, so who knows if anything happened after this

>>11494887
>she was praising Elira during one part of the answer
That's pretty cute/nice of her (even if it was less like her praising someone she looks up to and more just complimenting her friend)
>and said she was the branch boss of Niji EN and a top scouter.
But this, this does put a bad taste on my mouth, especially remembering how Lazu said months ago that they didn't have any say or influence on who got in, doesn't really increase my excitement for the next waves...
Maybe she was just joking around and not being serious, but seeing how things have been... dunno honestly.

before this thread dies i just wanna say mocca is a very cute little dude

>>11503972
So who's taking bets on how long before this gets private / cut out?

>>11505002
This man gets it. Time to loot everything.

Mocca did nothing wrong. He a good boy. I hope he gets the fame he deserves soon It wont happen

>>11503894
Oh that's nice to know, do you know who Miki reincarnated?

>>11505185
rosemi

>>11505042
If it's not privated now it won't be. The only way it will get cut out is if it causes drama in the stream comments, chat, or twitter sphere, mass dislikes, etc. And that won't happen unless it's in retrospect, basically something happening in the future, particularly if there's drama amongst the Niji livers themselves usually, or some major fan backlash which causes people to look back and connect the dots.