/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

it will just flop.

>>11307948
The same feeling when they kill Vita support for no reasons.

>>11308014
They have the money to shill everywhere from YouTube to Smartphone ads anon. Remember the F/GO ad campaign when the game first started and even the original creator didn't have much expectations for the game? The ads were everywhere

>>11308081
More importantly they have the clout to manipulate the algorithm

After how they treated Kaguya Luna? Good luck to anyone who signs with them.

>>11307948
The only question is will Sony care enough to ask Youtube for preferential treatment or not. It's Sony so they definitely would debut 50 2views with zero support or promotion and then later have an internal email chain where everyone is confused as to why their vtubing initiative failed.

>>11308259
Desperate people who want big Sony money? There will be lots of them especially in Japan. All 50 of them

>>11308081
they have no connections to the japanese otaku industry. they couldve used playstation as an otaku bridge/hub but mutt sjws totally destroyed the jp branch.

if ps5 was like ps3 vtubers would host some weekly show on psn like toro station did but theres no such thing anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4UWnn_J18w

Kek. Retard move from sony. But they have the cash to shrug it off I guess.

>>11308497
I don't know much about it and the game's community but isn't FGO a big Otaku things and it belongs to Sony? Last I heard it is Japan's MCU or something

>>11308259
gonna need a qrd

I don't care. It's a free market for anyone to try.

>>11308662
>Sony Music Group (Japan) opened up auditions for VTuber project VEE today and is looking to debut 50 new talents for the project. Sony Music is looking for not only singers but voice actors and other talents to perform during live streams and through real-life activities and have auditions open to any nationality, as long as they live in Japan.
>On the website for the project, Sony Music states that they will be treating the VTubers who pass the audition like any other talent in their agencies and will share the rights of the virtual characters with the performers under the banner of "VTubers are human, too." The agency also states while they'll provide the same resources to the successful applicants as they would any of their other talents, they will not provide a "shortcut" to their dreams. "Dreams" seems to be a running theme for the entire concept.
>The website is open in Japanese, English, and Chinese, though, at present, only the Japanese application form is open at the moment. Sony Music is willing to accept anyone from any nationality, age (over 16 years old), gender, and ability level as long as they can commit to a one-year contract with the new agency and currently live in Japan.

>>11308749
>>11308662
Shit didn't mean to quote (you)

>>11307948
Good. Vtuber right now is the same shit again and again, if there's even a slight bit of chance that Sony will do something different then awesome, if not then whatever, simple as that

>>11308662
https://twitter.com/p_ma_ru/status/1443557297909682182
Basically they made one of the OG greats miserable and any complaints people have against Cover look like a fucking joke

>>11308081
It will flop if they don't allow them to play non-Sony games, otherwise yeah it will be fine.

>>11308559
they dont have access to "human resources" or "talent pools" and its flexibility

like cover and any colours hire a bunch of "indie" creators to make their art, animations, models, merchs, dances, and all such things. sony cant do this due to their mega corp rules.
the vtube industry is produced by such diverse independent/indie creators. not like cover and any colour single handedly produce everything.

>>11307948
I dont like, pardner, I dont like it one bit

Isn't Sony all about censoring and sanitizing their shit these days? These vtubers are gonna be boring as fuck.

>>11308954
Don't they have a bunch of slave artists due to their FGO connection though? It would look sterilize but there will be something

>>11307948
Don't they have nijisanji? Do they want to flop a 2nd time?

>>11309079
the actual state of the jp vtube industry is similar to the indie music industry. they help each other and work with together. even holo jp members still do that shit. its just not translated. collabs are like gigs oif indie bands or compilation albums.

can you believe sony vtubers "help" other indies and build such noncommercial relationships? such a connection does matter. not those corporate "slaves". also i skimmed this >>11308749

>The website is open in Japanese, English, and Chinese, though,

yeah totally flimsy and clueless globohomo business. it will just flop

You know Sony owns a major share in Nijisanji right?

>>11307948
Why only JP vtubers when the EN market also exists?

Even Sony wouldn't be so stupid to just dump 50 vtubers out there all at once. They'll probably debut em bit by bit and the project will be shelved way before they reach 50.

>>11309283
>>11309209
Investment vs actually owning them entirely. It's called project VEE not Nijisanji. They finished audition on the first day of October

>>11309328
All 50 Vtubers have been chosen after audition supposedly

50 is a drop in the bucket. Remember there's almost 20k VTubers in the market already.

>>11308497
>they have no connections to the japanese otaku industry
have you heard of a company called Aniplex, anon?

>>11309390
Proof? Less than a week ago they said they were still reviewing applications for the first round of screening.
https://twitter.com/_vee_official_/status/1446399980973879296
https://twitter.com/_vee_official_/status/1446400221638975537

>>11309471
thats just a distributor. like i said "playstation" was literally the only and very strong "otaku hub station" sony had but it was totally killed. the jp studio was a bit quirky and understood non commercial japanese subculture like they produced a bunch of weird games during ps1 and ps2 periods, had a bunch of such indie-like connections to many jp devs, manga publishers, anime studios, musicians, from niche to major.

>>11309566
I thought it ended on September 31st but rereading it, it just stop accepting applications on that day. What about you anon? What are you hiding? Did you audition? How were they like? Did any SEA Singaporean in charge of Sony's weeb department molest you? I don't know why the only weebs in Sony are Singaporean and SEA though

>>11307948
I have no real opinion until I see the actual vtubers. If it's 48 random japs and 2 that speak English it won't make any difference really.

>>11309685
>distributor
retard. They literally own A1 and Clover

Imagine completely assraping the console market with the ps2 and then not only letting competitors into the market but letting them beat you. A kid running a lemonade stand has more business sense than Sony.

People in here also need to realize that SME and SIE are two different companies. Whatever gamer issues you have with SIE isn't applicable here. SME does have its own set of issues though, considering how badly they handled both of VIC's VTubers (Kaguya Luna and PPH) along with 22/7. Apparently they have Sally Amaki (who voiced 22/7's Fujima Sakura) voicing Sacra Music's new VTuber Sacra-chan (who is designed by Mika Pikazo, the one who designed both Kaguya Luna and PPH).

>>11309778
I hate Fate and the ironic weeb community that only "read" Fate Grand Order that they built though

Does anyone remember the samsung girl?

To a capitalist, there's nothing hotter than the personification of their favorite stock ticker symbol.

>>11309774
so what can they do? im talking about "connections" not studios. in reality their jp studio is still alive and has made games but they lost all their established relationships with the jp otaku industry. my point is that.

>>11308014
This, being a big brand doesn't make it better for the public, at best they will just bring some new viewers, which is good, but 90% of vtuber fans are loyalists to either Hololive or Nijisanji

It’s very likely someone will shine brightly out of the 50, in fact it would be a huge statistical achievement if that didn’t happen. They’ll all be sucking Sony suit dicks anyway, no matter the outcome. It will create a lot of funny drama in the community so I’m excited.

50 at once? That's just Battle Royale Vtuber edition kek. I would wonder who would sign up for that but once you're crazy enough to sign with Sony, details don't matter anyway. I don't expect anything long lasting from it, but it will permanently change the Vtuber landscape for the worse.

>>11310008
Even if they have an amazing audition process, the odds are still stacked against you. According to twitch leaks, there's a grand total of 8000 streamers out of 3 million who can make above minimum wage.

>>11309905
yea, tho that's only 1, easy to remember
50 new names... new phone who dat?

they are already oversaturating their own market with that many talents at once.
what are the odds that even 5 manages to get enough screen time to create a lasting impression to audience, and maybe/perhaps start gaining some following?

See hololivefor example; they rolled out new gens at fairly slow pace, and still had some drop-ins who didn't get enough screen time(due to various events)

>>11308812
>Sony.
>Doing something different from the rest.
You're putting a lot of trust in a corporation.

>>11310480
Fair point, although I feel it's worth mentioning that not everyone is streaming as a full-time thing, especially vtubers, so not getting minimum wage isn't that big of a deal just as long as you have something else going on. I haven't checked the leaks but I'm going to assume that there are still A LOT of people juuuust under that top 8000 that are nearly getting minimum wage, which is still pretty good if your outgoings are minimal. Also did that minimum wage figure based on US earnings? That could be a lot if you're from a poor country.

>>11308884
Compare to Coco who left with a record breaking revenue then went right back to streaming with an old persona and is still making bank, speaks fondly of her old colleagues, and stealth appears on Holo streams on occasion.

"Corner the market" is a meme

>>11311162
it also doesn't account for any off site earnings (sponsorships, donations, merch, etc)

>>11307948
at least there shouldnt be a reason their chuubas should have poor streaming equipment

>>11311511
kek anontan, big corps spend their money on marketing, not actually getting a better product

>>11307948
Well at least they'll be doing covers of normal music, not vocaloid crap.

>>11307948
Imagine if they still needed Sony games permissions kek

>>11316080
sony's actually a hell of a company with stupid divisions that can't cooperate, so it might actually be plausible they have to beg for sony's game permissions kek

>>11307948
the market is already saturated so they'll all flop. 1 or 2 exceptionally cute ones might make it.

>>11307948
The PlayStation normie probably gonna watch them and they Will have good view because Sony give em permission to play any Sony game, ITS really gonna be the next holo with bunch normie fanboy (how litterally a fanboy) get ready for great war, holo not gonna get hurt nor NijiEN getting hurt, but they Will likely lose to Sony live view

>>11307948
I thought it was insane 2 months ago and I still feel that way.
Those Vtubers will probably perform better than indies, but will it be enough to make a living?
And why the fuck is Sony behind it?

>>11310001
Yes, but you a fucking retard if you think they not gonna have big live view, they literally have a real consol fanboy and PlayStation fan is the most Loyal retard you can see on the internet, after they release them and promote them to people that don't know vtuber, the fanboy of PlayStation probably gonna try to make their own vtuber win again holo/niji, like you said that niji and holo probably not gonna lose view, BUT, they probably gonna lose on high ccv and live view, and gonna be the new holobronies how shit on hololive/nijisanji everyday

>>11308081
Sony has been running on a loss for nearly a decade. This is the flailing of a dying corp.

>>11308937
It'll be funny if the competition do not permit Sony vTubers to play non-Sony games. Even Minecraft.

>>11307948
Can’t wait to see it flop

>>11320062
nah, most console fanboys still hate anime stuff, and vtuber stuff is too big a departure from what they usually sperg about (consoles), the normie will look down on anyone who watches it.

>>11307948
remember luna's tribe, it didn't go well for them. Sony its in his way to revise his history of fuck up.

>>11307948
50? Why not 100?

>>11307948
Smells like desperation move to get back the otaku audience they chased away when they realised they fucked up with the gaming, it's pathetic.

>>11307948
china will release 2000 vtubers soon

>>11307948
Over or Under?

Of the 50, 40 will last longer than a year.

>>11329108
The branch running this literally has Otaku eating out of their palm though. The music department stealthily own
>FGO
>ANIPLEX
>MAJOR INVESTMENT IN NIJISANJI
>Produce popular shit like MhA, Lelouch etc
Also the entire entity completely owns all anime distribution in the west

No chance. Sony is incompetent, Luna poisoned the well on her way out, and they won't be able to poach big names.

>>11329703
>>11329622
>>FGO
>>ANIPLEX
>>MAJOR INVESTMENT IN NIJISANJI
>>Produce popular shit like MhA, Lelouch etc
>Also the entire entity completely owns all anime distribution in the west

>>11307948
here’s hoping the only thing that happens is that they murder nijibronies but both are shit

After what they did to Luna they do not deserve shit. I'll make sure to mock them burning down.

>>11329895
The shit that went down with Luna went over like a lead balloon in Japan. There is a reason why the japs think it will be a failure and no one is hyped.

>>11308381
If (and a big if) sony are paying enough that it's at least a decent part-time wage then for a lot of people it'll be well worth it.

>>11307948
>Will it be big?
From the 50, probably less than 10 (or 5) will stay relevant, wouldn't surprise me if it is the female asian ones.
>B-But Sony's money.
That's for ads, also, if management fucks up really badly then you can expect graduations in around a month or two after their first anniversary unless Sony panics and throws them a bunch of cash to stay in the game (hard guess, probably not happening).
>Thoughts about them?
Expect 2 or 3 forced poorly casted and also secretly inclusive Chuubas from the western side. Wouldn't surprise me if they start to "call out" non-political big chuubas or something, they can manipulate the algorithm anyways.
>It's Sony, they can overcome your schizo rant explaining the problems of running something so big from the start
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!, this IS Sony, they will just go retarded and commit a Gamebu once several of their performers quit and the higher management refuses to throw away merch and 2D/3D models, I can already see the /vt/ memes once some autist manages to find out a "slightly off" voice is actually a recast due to frequency analisys or something IDK.
>So then what?
Unless they have someone who unironically has experience handling this type of thing on a large scale, then you can expect this shit to crash and burn slowly, not suddenly, also wouldn't surprise me if Sony suddenly starts stopping giving permissions for their games or flat-out taking down videos left and right of "non-their agency" Chuubas, even worse, they could flat out "chain-copyright" strike big chuubas to take out the competition, they just need a single retard on a computer with claiming permits, just timing the claims perfectly and that's it, your Oshi is DEAD and even if she comes back through management and YouTube negociation magic, she will probably have to "bend the knee" to Sony (accept collabs, shill) to play their games or to just keep her own videos up and under the radar of the banhammer.
>Schizo theory incoming
You guys didn't suspect of the fact that Sony got laxer and laxer with their streaming permissions for agency chuubas just months before this announcement, right?

>>11329703
The well was already poisoned, she just shat on it when leaving because it couldn't get anymore toxic.

>>11321015
http://flare-group.net/news/flare-virtual-project-season2/
This JP company debuted 100 VTubers back in spring and held auditions for 100 more this past summer. Of course, the catch is they only stream on 17LIVE and TikTok.

>>11329622
Beside the Nijisanji, everything else is mostly consumed by normies, casual audience that look down on vtubers. Most otaku already burnt the bridge with Sony.

>>11307948
They're accepting 16+ so it doesn't seem like they plan to poach talent or something it seems like a support project for indie chuubas (that still own their characters) not neccesarily the biggest ones although I wonder how would it compete with that Anycolor project that sounds kind of similar since it was about managing some aspiring indies with a promise of joining nijisanji if you're good enough.

>>11331810
Activ8's upd8 project was also similar in scope, being a support platform for virtual talents.

>>11307948
>Woke company
>VTubers
Pick one

>>11307948
I'm not concerned and I don't consider Sony a threat. They have recently proven their incompetence in the entertainment arena multiple times over. The fact that they think they should start with 50 proves how out of touch they are with this industry. They will throw money at anything that breathes. There might be a slim chance of getting 1 to 3 semi popular, niji tier tubas from this wave of garbage talent. They will all inevitably be holo or niji rejects.

>>11307948
>Debuting 50 people at once
They have no idea what they are doing. Or maybe they throw a big number and see what sticks? And after half a year only the top ones will have their contract renewed.

>>11320432
They can't even learn from holo vs niji. Holo is doing far better and has fewer debuts. Niji has too many debuts and does worse. Sony will be like an even bigger niji, only focused on quantity of streamers and time output.
Maybe Sony is actually dying though and needs 10-20 vtubers to succeed and make a profit to fix their other divisions. That would be hilarious if this is the actual best decision for Sony as a company. I want to speak with the showrunner and see how many saliva stains he has on his face and shirt.

All else aside, debuting 50 people at once is retarded. 40+ of those people are going to get stuck with 2-digit view counts.

>>11308259
Not even just Luna they fucked over Sakura and I will never forgive them for those sacrifices

>>11320851
that just you own personal idea, we don't know until they really debut, because this hand down from sony itself if they promote them and the maniac fanboy notice it, i do think this will be a wild fire

>>11307948
Failure. V fans hate Sony

>>11329108
they know they have their audience man, that why they flooding the market from the start, the fact that only PlayStation fanboy that still shitting on twitter to this day already a red flag for future vtuber community, if the fanboy want their vtuber to be number one, they will make them number one

just look at the numbers chrunchyroll had with just 1 vtuber, while being a weeb relatred company, if sony doesn't flop i don't know what will, with 50 i can't see anyone get more tha 400 viewers unless they pull a gura but that's pretty much impossible now, vtubers are not the cool new thing anymore

>>11330681
I'll believe your rrat.

>>11336446
>while being a weeb relatred company
You seem to be under a misconception. Vtubers are the niche of the niche. Most weebs quite literally froth at the mouth when they hear or see vtubers.

>>11308081
late reply but sony fucking sucks, their executives and ceo are baby boomers who have ww2 vet parents, they're only alive right now because their investors are equally as old and out of touch with reality

>>11307948
Sony is 2 years late to the vtube trend. Hololive is gonna mogged them

>>11307948
it's going to be just like betamax, NT cassette, memory stick, ATRAC, and UMD, except instead of being early and better, they'll be late and worse.

>>11309076
Yes, they're trying to control all forms of entertainment.

>>11329304
>china will release 2000 vtubers soon
From the re-education camps?

>>11344757
kek

>>11307948
>50 vtubers
Someone call up Hololive/Nijisanji and ask them to debut 50 as well

I don't care about any of this. Bring back Playstation Home.

>>11346496
>>>/v/

That's a whole lot of artists to commission

50 is way too much, what are they thinking?
Idol loyalty is a very big thing, do they think people are just going to ditch watching their current favorites for Sony picks?

I wonder how will all of them are going to debut? Even with 5 per day, it will be a fucking 10 days marathon.

>>11307948
>>11308081
Sony can barely keep their game & movie IPs from flopping.
They're an utterly retarded company that made THE FUCKING XBOX a relevant factor In Japan because when the PS3 launched they told Cave, every single VN maker and a trillion JRPG companies to eat shit and die.
THE XBOX, ANON.
THE HALO AND FIFA MACHINE.
THEY MADE THE XBOX RELEVANT IN NERD MARKETS THROUGH SHEER INCOMPETENCE.
The PS5 is pretty much an overpriced collectible while the Switch - despite declining by about 17% in the last quarter through a combination of slowing pandemic measures and saturation - continues to become more and more of the standard despite being well towards the end of your typical console generation's lifespan with now new one in sight.

I just flat-out don't think Sony understands media anymore.

>>11351451
How did Sony job so hard after not only the PS2 into PS3 but also the PS4 into the PS5?
My conspiracy is that they hand off generations with Xbox behind the scene so they both make more money

>>11309775
Although if you look at the PS2 domination it was a good deal in part due to Sega finally finishing it's suicide and Nintendo kinda missing the possibility of using their console to hit the newly emerging DVD market.
We used our PS2 for a damn long time as DVD player as well (even got that TV style controller too) meanwhile with NINTENDO INNOVATION (tm) they used a dead-end tech with not only a shit form factor but bad storage capability.
Really Sony's biggest mistake was ignoring the fact that Microsoft was actually serious about getting into the Market and was willing to throw a fuckton of money to get its foot in the door (if not kick the door in)

>>11330681
Imagine if they had a bunch of Mainland Chinese Vtubers there. The harassment campaign would be a thing to see.

>>11335088
Even if they did a staggered launch they'd have to do it over months unless they wanted to have everyone strangling each other due to sheer volume of deployment.

>>11351275
They're under the impression there is "A VAST UNTAPPED MARKET" out there. They probably saw the utterly irreplaceable sub rate Gura had (check the charts for all of '20 and see just how insanely steep Gura's line is) and haven't realized just how bad even highly active viewership is compared to total subs. (again ask the Numberfag thread or maybe even NASFAQ because they got graphing autism)

>>11351770
>How did Sony job so hard after not only the PS2 into PS3 but also the PS4 into the PS5?
They moved more and more towards being a Californian techbitch hive rather than a Japanese-style entertainment company.
They actually keep shutting down more and more of their Japanese aspects which makes all the downsides of Hollywood & US Big Tech-style calcification seep into every aspect of it.

>>11331201
but why

>>11320432
>Sony has been running on a loss for nearly a decade
No, they haven't.

>>11351451
>>11351770
>>11352336
>Pajeet Microdicks have migrated from /v/ to /vt/
It was bound to happen, I suppose.

>>11307948
So the vtuber crash is finally here
Been a nice 4 years

>>11329304
>soon
he doesnt know

>>11354362
Interesting how you omit Nintendo from the graph snoycuck

Sony Interactive Entertainment (Playstation) is not Sony Music Entertainment Japan

They will get the biggest "silence, brand" from the west. It might work over in japan idk

>>11308884
It's a job, what was she expecting?
The only serious thing is not getting paid what was promised but that's a risk when you are not a employee, sometimes things do go as expected and some cuts are needed

>>11355502
Why would Nintendo be included? The Switch is a last-gen console.

I want /v/ to go back

>>11308259
There's thousands, if not millions of women who despise vtubers, vtubing and their audience, but will gladly join Sony for some quick money.

>>11310480
You're neglecting how luck can factor into online popularity, and how corporate advertising can rig the odds in their favor.

>>11359191
The issue is that there's no quick money with Sony involved. They've screwed over every vtuber who has worked with them before. Even if someone hates vtubers, they presumably don't hate themselves enough to sign a shitty wage slave contract that pays like shit for a heavy workload.

>>11307948
I can see it working
Pit 50 vts against each other like in a wu jar
The survivors will most likely become Sony's mascot and these can be run at a loss

>>11358028
good bait man

>>11307948
lets find out

>>11307948
The will given them 0 support whatsoever and most will graduate by the first year, when was the time Sony ever did anything good? They treat their employees like shit, they closed Japan studio the only studio actually making games, Aniplex only funds the same generic trash and fate

I enjoy how anons keep bringing up issues they have with SIE in here as if it's even relevant to what SME is doing.

>>11307948
futile

it will just flop.

They're going to find out the hard way that no one gives a shit. Especially with their absurd expectation of launching 50 vtubers. Not only does that cannibalize any audience they might have, people will just gravitate to whoever people figure out is the most famous/well-known talent while the others flounder.

>>11375765
I don't. I hate FGO

>>11307948
pretty shit honestly. Now they have their own corpo streamers they have incentive to not allow others to stream their properties.

>>11331201
LMAO

>>11308559
No, FGO belong to Type Moon (the ip) and it's been developed by Delightwork. It is published by Aniplex, which belongs to Sony, but they don't own it

>>11316117
Don't forget Sony is the company that copyright striked its own video.