/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>10893844
Nijisanji

next...

>>10893844
How did Cabaー ruin vtubing?

>>10893844
upd8

>>10893844
I'd like to know why you think the #1 most watched vtuber company in the world, the one that introduced everyone outside japan to vtubing, ruined vtubng?
Correct answers only please

basically vtuber is ruining vtubing itself

>>10893844

>>10893995
>the one that introduced everyone outside japan to vtubing
you said it yourself...

>>10894037
you will never be japanese

>>10893844
/vt/

>comanies

>>10893844
I know this is bait, but the fact that people actually believe this over any of the bullshit Activ8 did to ruin vtubers is genuinely depressing.

>>10893844
upd8, or whichever company was the first to turn vtubing into a business and pave the way for corpos to run the scene.

But that's not vShoujo.

Nijisanji. Quantity over quality.

>>10893844
Cover literally saved vtubing
Every other company is slowly dying

YouTube

>>10893844
The companies aren't the problem
The problem is the thousands of weebs who grew up wanting to be content creators that took one look at the anime avatars and said "I could do that! That's easy"
Then they slap up a fucking janky ass model they paid $200 for on twitter/twitch/youtube/etc. and don't realize that they're just as boring as the other 50,000 people doing the exact same thing
Now they've flooded the fucking market and people with actual talent can't get recognized

upd8
.Live
Unlimited

>>10893844
>>10893878
These. Nijisanji first for introducing a low effort style with Mito and crippling creative content forever, Hololive for bringing idolshit and it's cancerous fanbase to vtubing then making them synonyms in the west.
These two companies are the worst things to have ever happened.

Its very important for you newfags to watch this. Behold, the worst vtuber agency
https://youtu.be/TKRbVsopLRo

>>10894273
If they were good then they'd either get recognized or they'd get picked up by a group. Oversaturation is just an excuse.

>>10893844
The only answer to this question is Nijisanji. Allow me to tell you a story...

...February 7th, 2018, the debut of Tsukino Mito, is the day that vtubing died. What Mito brought to the table was the popularity of cheap ass Live2D instead of the 3D that was the standard before her. The format she brought to the table also ruined vtubing. Before her the popular style were short form skits in which the vtuber had to showcase their creativity in a short amount of time to entertain the audience. Mito popularized being a lazy ass playing videogames for hours. Why bother scripting actual content when you can just sit on your ass and play videogames for hours to get popular?

Mito, and therefore Nijisanji as a whole, ruined vtubing and we will never go back to the glory days of content that existed before her.

>>10894290
>Hololive for bringing idolshit
Newfag. You have no idea how dangerous Idolbu fans are

>>10894290
One look at how content creation shifted on Youtube in the IRL scene makes me think recorded videos would've died out sooner or later.

>>10894273
>flooded the fucking market
Flooded market in economic terms just means temporary low prices (ie very low donos, super chats, subs for most entertainers) which benefits the consumer, and which we should all be celebrating . When the chuubas realize they aren’t succeeding, they will leave the market, and equilibrium will once again be achieved.
I’m sorry you hate capitalism.

upd8
ichikara
vshojo
twitter

This thread turned into a history lesson real fast.

well definitely not cover because they're the ones who gave my oshi a chance

>>10894380
Nobody on this board knows much about the history of vtubing. Look at everyone just saying Nijisanji and Hololive.

>>10894321
You right
Because there's so many companies out there who just love digging through mountains of shit looking through thousands of applicants trying to find the one person who can actually carry an entertaining stream for longer than half an hour
And I'm sure the average viewer just loves sifting through stream after stream and wasting hours upon hours watching the same cookie cutter streamers who just copy what the most successful people are doing rather than doing their own thing

>>10894380
My bad. I'll rewrite my comment.
Nijisanji first for introducing a low effort style with Mito and crippling creative content forever, .LIVE for bringing idolshit and it's cancerous fanbase to vtubing then Hololive making them synonyms in the west and importing said fanbase.
These three companies are the worst things to have ever happened.

Tsukino Mito ruined vtuber with her shit L2D and edge ''creativity''

Cover "ruined" vtubers in the same way shonen "ruined" anime.
Sure, it pulls in a lot of people, but are they all desirable? Well...
At least it works like a filter.

Don't Nijisanji and Hololive make scripted stuff and variety shows? Why do people talk like all they do is play video games?

>>10894282
The only right answers. Ignore the shitflinging on Anycolor and Cover.

>>10894539
You're a retarded newfag that needs to sit down

>>10894438
don't bring Suisei to this shitflinging

>>10893844
CUManies?

>>10893878
fpbp

>>10894660
Nice argument sweaty.

>>10894810
Wait for the next spoonfeed before replying to me

>>10894374
Kaguya Luna's 3D model was peak sovl, 30fps and all. All her collabs with Ai were peak 4 Kings-era kino as well.

>>10894444
Quads of truth

>hurr newfags don't know 4 years old history I'm such an oldfag
>I'm not gonna say anything because I can't prove them wrong I'll just call them newfags hurr

lurk moar, newfag

>>10894282
This guy get it. Those three were the one that nearly destroyed the vtubers scene by bringing unnecessary drama. Along with Corpos who brought Luna and Mirai. If anything both Nijisanji and Hololive were the one that saved Vtuber.

>>10894838
preach it brother...........take me back

>>10894374
It's not Mito fault fucking Eilene become lazy and stopped making any skit. He had chance becoming top during Corona by making Corona-chan vid just like Ebola-chan. But he fucking didn't. I'm Eilene fan but fuck Eilene for being lazy.

>>10893844
>>10894444
Right, no one even said ENTUM... they took away my favourite...

>>10893844
There would be no western vtubing market or industry if Cover didn't exist, so yeah, you're right.

>>10895462
I heard Mirai Akari is now belong to Bandai-Namco. Is that true?

>>10895246
Eilene hasn't been the same since he got into the corporate world.

>>10893844
Cyber V
They made my oshi suffer hell for a good full year
Even if they're dead now, I'll never forgive

>>10895566
Currently under ZIZAI(DUO Inc.), who managed ENTUM before closing it. I didn't hear about Bandai.

>>10894393
recorded videos take a lot longer to make and due to our gambling instincts, are less exciting. people watch because "you never know what will happen" there's excitement, things feel more raw in the moment. this is why a lot of clips wind up falling kinda flat. you know something is gonna happen, usually they lay out all the surprises in the description.

>>10893844
Nijisanji

>>10893844
Bunch of newfags here, Upd8 is the one that ruined it introducing Kizuna AI to the world. If it wasn't for that neither Nijisaji nor Hololive would have been famous outside of japan.

>>10893844
yeah bro fuck them commies

>>10896246
she's not even a real content creator, literally a prepacked product disguised as a "person". team of writers and editors planning every moment. woman who voices her is basically just a voice actress with little to no input. proved that corpos can just pretend to be people and fans will buy it. cover it lazier, they actually make their talents come up with their own content, but they still fuck over their creators by owning all the rights to everything.

>>10896246
>>10896679
Hold up, Kizuna wasn't an indie?
Who first started vtubbing, anyway?

>>10897717
Max Headroom

>>10894282
Only correct answer in this thread
Actual dogshit companies run by dogshit people

>>10894539
Also if it weren't for people raging for Unlimited trying to change Gamebu's VA and just except ot forget about it the next month, they or other companies would probably think its okay to do it on a regular basis. The literal dogshit of vtuber company.

>>10893878

>>10895648
If people ask why Cover prefer copyright striking people instead of bringing them to court like Anykara did here's your answer. A fucking year to get her model back.

>>10893844
billibilli

Are we talking about vtubing video content or treatment of roommates? Cover is probably not one of the worst for both things. In fact given how rare some of their chuubas' schedules (Ayame), might be too relaxed instead.

>>10898736
>mistreatment
>allowed to do whatever the fuck you want and even run other youtube channels for money
Brain damage-kun?

>>10894374
This retarded ass take again.
Mito did not invent L2D or gaming streams. It is a historical trend for industries to switch from exclusive tech to more affordable and competitive technology.
To give an analogy: this is like crediting Microsoft for the decline of big mainframes. The whole industry was moving towards home computing. Bill Gates won the market share, but without him a bunch of other techies would have instantly replaced him and moved the industry in the same direction. In other words, Bill Gates is not the reason why mainframes died. Mainframes died simply because they inherently sucked for most people, without Bill Gates or not. Similarly, costly videos with expensive 3D tech inherently suck for most vtubers. Even if Nijisanji had not existed, the next popularizer would have moved the industry in the same direction.

>>10893844
Comanies...
Stop trying to turn every word into cum, gay man. Comany, more like, cum in me.

>>10899178
If Nijisanji didn't popularize Live2D streaming you should be able to name someone else but all you have done is make some stupid analogy without saying a word about vtubing.

>>10893844
Vshit and Bilibili. Amerimutt monkeys and Chink bugs ruin everything good.

>>10893844
Sony

>>10899396
The analogy is spot on and I'm only sorry you are too retarded to think about it.

Mito debuted on February 2018, but L2D tech had been around for a while (before 2015). Cover themselves had been developing its own L2D tech for a long time (with models prepared in advance for auditions), and released it on April 2018. In other words, Mito just beat them by a few months. Even without Nijisanji, L2D tech was well on its way to dominate the industry.

There was no unbottling the magic of L2D. Early adopters just needed to figure out how to make it even easier to use.

>>10899178
I don't know why anyone's even bringing up Mito. January-February 2018 was the height of the indie boom and those were mostly Live2D users.

>>10899486
Based, You will be Japanese

Skits and full 3D models being the norm would certainly make the industry look a whole lot different now. But podcasts/radio shows and live streaming would've come along eventually.

>>10900341
>Skits and full 3D models being the norm would certainly make the industry look a whole lot different now
There wouldn't be an industry
The old style of content was fucking unwatchable

Every company ruins vtubing. Vtubers should be a hobby, not a company job. Seize the means of revenue and vtubing will improve.

>>10900787
shut up commie

>>10900787
Based

>>10900821
You deny the truth but the truth remains. All your oishi are only in it for the money. Take away that and they will drop vtubing and never look back.

You’re all wrong. Vtubing wasn’t ruined by the companies. Rather, it was ruined by a single Vtuber.

>>10900914
>All your oishi
There's room for only one oishi in my heart

>>10893844
I literally can't. I like some of their streamers but anyone who encourages idolfag mentality is just a big red flag, which is essentially what cover is all about.

>>10893844
Cover does ruin it a bit for me, because while I think all kind of vtubing content should be able to exist and that includes the Clover take on it, because of their popularity and rigidity, most people now seem to apply their version of vtubing to vtubing as a whole and excepting imaginary rules to be respected. It's not really Cover's fault per say, but it's still them ruining it for me.

>>10905706
>"revealing another FAKE name this person created content as is DOXXING!!!!!11!"
I will never get people who want all the leverage to be in the corporations favor. There's a REASON they force them to take on new identities and can't acknowledge their old ones, and it's not personal choice. Those identities ARE them, I mean FUCK, peko put a direct reference on her costume. Corps force this so they OWN EVERYTHING. This is why they wanted to keep the cash cow of Coco rather than just let her take her model and go indie, it would make it easier for her to pull from their audience, and then they cant keep making merch with her. It also gives them a HUGE advantage in contract disputes "well then, you can just go and start from scratch again. It's the equivalent of a music production company owning the rights to your name and face.

>>10893844
https://servanttube.com/
these fuckers, you better be fucking ready

>>10905706
Very good point on the imaginary rules that everyone else now has to follow because it's seen as the "right" way to be a vtuber. Although I'd blame the implementation of those standards on corpos in general since they are the ones that stand to gain the most from those rules.

>>10894290
>mito
>low effort
????

she only got popular because of her crazy zatsudan stories and even more crazy vids, anyone before her was faking till they make while she was natural weirdo talent

>>10894374
Imagine being such a Kizuna Ai whore that you think vtubers have to stick to a certain format to do their streams and not do what they want. Bruh

>>10900787
You may as well just do that to every streamer ever then if you are that much of a poorfag

>>10905010
you would be glad to realise that majority of Hololive talents love being Idols and are happy to sing & dance in concerts

>>10900148
Because he's from /jp/ and has a hateboner for her

>>10907340
/jp/ doesn't really hate Mito
few holobronies and kizunafags do

>>10907691
If you don't hate Mito you are proving how much of a newfag you are.

>>10907691
He's always declaring that Mito is the sole cause of Live2D and streamer format, he's a known /jp/ schizo

>>10899993
>The analogy is spot on
nah analogies are cringe as fuck, you need to fucking leave if you need to resort to using them instead of staying on the fucking topic

>>10910010
>too assblasted to even directly address any point made
Since you offered no substance, I am content to let others think for themselves about the points made.

>>10894282
>MUH CORPOS
Literally all of those companies are what founded this shit to begin with and the reason all of you idiots are here itt, I won't defend the shit decisions all of them made but I know the thread will be filled with 2nd wave and 3rd wave Vtuber fans.

The moment live 2D became standard was the true decline.

>>10910010
>analogies are cringe
That's the most hilariously dumb thing I've read in a while. Thanks for the laugh.

>>10911671
>Muh L2D

>>10894290
Aside from Hikakin's UUUM, Nijisanji was also one of the first to normalized getting permission for games to play.

>>10912425
Which is a good thing. Or do you want endless Minecraft?

>>10900547
>its literally Hololive but instead of streaming they do Hologra as their main content anon, how is it unwatchable

>>10912447
How is that a good thing? I remember a few no name vtuber group having a hard time getting permissions at that time. Shit, even Hololive only has Apex and Muse dashas their game at that time.

>>10907691
I have been in hlg since /jp/ and most of them dont hate the livers, or at least not directly or unironically. They just hate Nijifags. Even if they do its because said liver is involved in their headcanon narratives like the Meiro/Roa or Luna/Panda shit

>>10893844
Vshoujo, unironically

>>10893844
Vtubing was never good
3D women should never have been given an in to the second dimension

>>10912923
Normalizing getting permissions for games is better than having nothing to play.

>>10895462
it still sucks, akari still feels like half the vtuber she was once she got signed off to them

>>10912910
>Hologra as their main content anon, how is it unwatchable
this statement answers itself. hologra isnt funny, it's weird. it's only entertainingly weird because you know the talents. if someone just showed you hologra, and there was no other context, you wouldn't give a single fucking shit.

>>10894290
without niji and holo vtubing would be nonexistent but ok

>>10900914
thank u for reminding me how important for entertainment capitalism is.

>>10921205
>If someone just showed you hologra, and there was no other context, you wouldn't give a single fucking shit
Well duh, otaku culture is supposed to be unique and niche, and now it almost doesnt feel any diffrent from your irl streamer.