/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

no, hololive is all about luck (mumei, irys, fauna)
or nepotism (sana, kronii)

>>10757080
If that's the case then Niji is Yale.

>>10757157
So is Harvard? You're only getting in either by luck or connections.

>>10757157
>implying Harvard isn't nepotism and luck

>>10757157
It's basically the same as Harvard ngl

>>10757080
Being accepted in holo means you made it. Harvard doesn't pay you but Holo does.

>>10757080
Gura is jewish, so yes pretty much the same nepotistic system.

It is like winning a small lottery. The rejection rate is 1200:1 for hololive.

>>10757080
No, think on kingsman of vtubing.

>>10757284
Consider there are 5 per gen, the odds are quite good actually

yagoo doesn't hire minorities
harvard goes out of their way to try to accept as many non-asian minorities as possible because its almost exclusively asians that pass the requirements

>>10757375
this is based though, asians don't need education since they're already smart

>>10757160
Niji is a state school. Indies = junior college

>>10757308
5 out of 6000 is abysmally one sided.

>>10757441
>Niji is a state school.
Niji is the 2nd most popular chuuba company after Cover. Yale is the 2nd most prestigious Uni after Harvard. So your analogy makes no sense.

>>10757500
> Niji is the 2nd most popular chuuba company after Cover.
do holobronies really?

>>10757500
Not the same anon, but the analogy kinda works. Once you make it to Hololive, your basically in the 1%, Even Anya would be on par with Hana from NijiID. Compare that to Niji where at least 1/3 of their livers are literal 2view tier.

>>10757500
>No more no.1 in their poster
OH NO NO NO NIJIKEKS, WHO'S NOM1?

>>10757773
>Removed No.1 in their poster
OH NO NO NO NO NIJIKEKS, WHO'S NO.1???

>>10757080
Yes
>t. Shion

>>10757414
yes but big companies like hiring from prestigious schools. and because of that, idiots and 'those people' are in charge of everything.

>>10760346
kuzuha

>>10761191
3rd behind Marine and Pekora.

>>10761191

>>10757375
Instead of minorities he hires retards

>>10757080
>need to either be jewish or a POC
I'm gonna say no

>>10757080
harvard rejects the best asian applicants to take in black people.

it's not merit based is what you are saying?

>>10764911
>mfw

>>10757157
Mumei 1m subs on her old channel
Irys 115m views on her renai circulation cover
those two had a solid track history which totally justifies being accepted by hololive.
I don't know anything about fauna but her voice is really nice.

>>10765339
2 talentless whores among a sea of better indies

>>10757080
>accepted
You mean hired. Its no different than any other agency and half of the girls were vtubers already.

>>10765430
If they were better than they wouldn't be stuck in 2 view hell now would they. The only indie worth a damn in the EN space is Nina and it both amazes and kills me that she doesn't want to apply for Hololive since she would make it without a shadow of a doubt but she doesn't want to leave her current fanbase.

>>10765660
you dont realize people will watch a brand cause they are mindless drones. see: Apple

having viewers doesn't mean shit, even if you are terrible (council) some people will watch because of the brand. ANY of these 2 view indies would get the same viewers, if not more.

>>10765824
Then I guess all indies should just graduate... If you're not in Holo and you don't even get the consolation prize of joining Nijisanji or VShoujo then your doomed to failure and irrelevancy

>>10766008
it's not that, but you can't say an indie is "bad" cause of a view count. a literal mute would get more viewers than indies in a company by default.

>>10766077
I know your trying to be holistic and shit but numbers (viewers, SC, Subs) is ultimately what will dictate what 90% of all indies will do and whether they graduate or not. Its the reason why so many indies are graduating, because they couldn't hack it.

>>10766436
I just feel bad for the talented indies seeing non-talented people succeed just because they were "selected", for whatever reason (sometimes nepotism)

then again life isn't always fair.

thats why VShoujo was super smart in making a non-corporate group. they have the benefits of both worlds. am sure why more indies don't just bunch up, make a group name and a MC server.

>>10766542
The world is cruel anon. Regardless of whether you think Council is talented or not, it doesn't change the fact that they got in. If these "talented" indies actually are as good as you think, they either pull a Suisei and get in through sheer force of will and talent, or pray that the Algo picks them up and word of mouth spreads. Either way they're fucked.

>>10766840
Not smart enough unfortunately. Due to the type of content that they do, there is always gonna be a hard cap to what they achieve business wise.

>>10766871
Pekora was a literal nobody on NND once, there are other people like her out there but if they don't get "picked" you'll never know it.

>>10767076
The thing anon is she got picked, mainly due to Nepotism if rrats are to be believed. Regardless, she got in and that's all that matters. Somewhere in the world, there might have been someone smarter than Einstein or better at basketball than Jordan, but that doesn't matter because they didn't get picked. So indies should face facts. Either you force your way into Holo (or maybe Niji as a backup) or you surrender yourself to irrelevancy or graduation. If you're talented enough than maybe you can make it on your own but I wouldn't bet on it.

>>10767405
imo hololive hasn't had a talented gen since jp gen 3 (sorry Coco, I mean overall)

>>10767076
Life is cruel and unfair, and luck is just as much a part of being successful as skill. If you're not able to put in the hard work or have the talent though, all the luck in the world means jack fucking shit.
Pekora was rejected from Niji too, so its kind of funny how that works out. Imagine a world where Pekers is in Niji, and fails to make it big because the circumstances just don't line up if she's in there vs Hololive. No MC autism, different audience, etc etc.

>>10767475
Marine was also rejected

>>10767466
And? Saying someone is a hack or talented is subjective. That's not the conversation. It's whether you get picked or not. Fate is a cruel mistress (and I'm not talking about gacha either). It's better to be lucky than to be good as they say. So if you're an indie, you either pray that your lucky enough to get in... Or you make your on own luck either thanks to Nepotism or just being stubborn as fuck.

>>10767706
Cover doesn't have to worry cause they have Apple-tier cultists who will watch no matter how shit someone is. People like Pekora actually earn their viewers, though.

>>10767761
Hence why indies want to join Holo. That's their reward. Being in Hololive is the end goal. Getting in is the challenge. And if you're an Indie, you do whatever it takes to get in. You pull a Suzy, a Peko, or a whatever. You just need to get in.

>>10767638
Gah, I forgot to mention that too. Imagine that, now they both easily tower over any female streamer in Nijisanji. Life isn't fair, and Nijisanji's scouting luck is absolutely cursed when compared to Hololive. They haven't had a real 'breakout star' in a while, and their most popular chubbas are mostly their older ones.
Like in what world is it that
-You get lucky with memes and blow up in the EN market after your competitor botches their expansion into both CN and IN markets
-YT decides to hate on you and demonetizes multiple members and forces you to remove swimsuits as an option for your talents to avoid the wrath of the errant YT algo
-You fuck up getting permissions for games and have to nuke a large % of your archives and nearly get removed from YT over it
-Have your EN branch explode in popularity to the point that you now have the most subbed v-tuber in the world
-One of your talents makes a mistake that costs you your entire CN branch and future CN games permissions
-Said talent gets harassed, you fuck up and yet she STILL leaves on relatively good terms, saving the company from being labeled as COMPLETE TRASH from most watchers
(There are more, but this list is getting kinda long)
Like how, how fucking lucky is Cover? Any two or three of these could easily cripple any company and render them dead in the water, but yet here we are, with Niji and Cover going head-to-head in JP and Hololive being absolutely dominant in every other market they're in vs Niji.

>>10768102
I guess you could say they have a good cover.

>>10757308
Pretty sure that's factored into the odds already.

>>10768102
Hololive talents were always open to oversea viewers and their chats weren't Japanese purists.
Most Nijisanji talents didn't give two shits about overseas viewers and some of their chats were openly hostile to them. Could you blame them though, they were the only relevant agency at the time and they end up getting the "Only Japan matters" mentality.
Nijisanji had just as many chances with viral clips to get traction with overseas viewers but they didn't care until HoloEN blew up, instead they focused on India.

>>10767706
>stubborn as fuck
that is the most important aspect to success. a bunch of people in this thread are calling out vtubers who got in due to nepo or luck but a lot of these corpo vtubers(muimei, irys) were working for years before they got "lucky".

All of the JP "nepotism" hires were all also essentially extremely established Streamers or Lets Players, who were hired before Hololive blew up into being insanely popular.
Like none of these EN hires would be questionable hires except for the fact that Hololive is now the most popular VTuber group in the world.

>>10765339
Mumei was a 2view

>>10768102
>One of your talents makes a mistake that costs you your entire CN branch and future CN games permissions

Honestly, with the current state of china's entertainment and gaming industry, I'm not even sure if this part isn't a blessing in disguise at this point

>>10768458
Indeed. Every one of Holomyth has a stubborn streak to them for example, in one way or another
Gura - She's been at this for 10+ years, before she was HER she was still making content on YT.
Ame - Been at the twitch streaming for a while before vtubing
Mori - 5% or whatever memes, she'd been making music for years
Ina - Slaving away as an art-slave before finally making it big for gacha games and then Hololive at roughly the same time
Kiara - Stubborn as all hell, despite her flaws and screwing up her first time as an idol kept trying and got into hololive to fulfill her dream

If you don't at the very least have the stubbornness to keep trying, GTFO of vtubing like many of these trend-chasers are doing. Best to keep working at it but understand that you may never get beyond being a 2view and have something such as a fulltime job or otherwise to continue on with.

>>10768633
pre hololive, everyone was(even gura).

>>10768838
>Ame - Been at the twitch streaming for a while before vtubing
It's sad that this is the best thing that anyone can come up with ame, although she's better than the other 4

>>10757157
Nigga that's exactly like Harvard or any other big name anything.

>>10757157
Today anon learns that 'Ivy League' is a rich boy's club specifically because of the two things he just mentioned and very few people go there because of actual talent.

>>10768346
I hope they still feel the sting of IN, what a dumb idea that was, changing the name to EN.

>>10768961
yea, she is honestly closest to being the suisei of EN(beside not being able to sing..). of all of EN, shes the one that tries the hardest to be a successful vtuber when she was an indie.

Yagoo erotic...

>>10769156
that was the funniest shit i've ever seen, marketing wise. it's like calling up a support line and having a guy with thick indian accent introduce himself as "Derrick".

>>10757157
YOU JUST DESCRIBED HARVARD ANON

All this talk of Harvard got me curious as to what their current acceptance rate for this year is. It's currently 5.2% meaning around 5 out of 100 applicants get in. As per Subaru, Gen 5 had a 1:1200 acceptance ratio. Keep in mind that this was before Hololive really blew up. So getting into HoloEn might actually be harder than getting into Harvard. Kek.

>>10757080
Hololive only accepts orientals, Harvard only accepts blacks. They're opposite extremes.

>>10767405
>there might have been someone smarter than Einstein
>might
Damn anon I don't want to start teaching history, science, and how our lives have been one big lie.
There's some shady shit going on, SHADV

>>10757271
>gura is Jewish
stop lying you fucking faggot rat

>>10767405
There are tons of people smarter and more accomplished than Einstein in history though...
He's just the most famous to those not in Math/Science scenes. Not to imply that he isn't a genius either, just that there are also extremely smart mathematicians and physicians better than Einstein you just don't know about. Gauss, Euler, Feynmann, Dirac, (of course I'd expect arguments about individual ones and whether people would consider them smarter than Einstein or not), but like yes, there are people smarter than Einstein.

>>10767405
>>10775926
Einstein was overrated, Nikola Tesla was the real deal but jews, in typical behavior took him out because money, and stole alot of his inventions, blue prints and such

>>10768656
At the very least, it IS blessing for non zhang.
Could you imagine enjoying even more restricted Holo stream than current Holo?

>>10765824
apple products are great anon, they just dont have shit tier.

>>10757080
Do holobronies really?