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EVERYONE IS HERE! Edition

Welcome to VShojo+! A thread to discuss VShojo, and any vtubers frequently associated with them.

The last thread moved really fast! So for that reason there's not really anything more to bring up. Hime did in fact return with a new outfit that looks suspiciously similar to a certain Youtuber. Nyan also debuted her own new outfit, and read the first 4 chapters of Watamote, before regaling the chat with tales of her own awkwardness as a young'un. Both streams surprisingly have been fun to watch! Hime's also mentioned that her move is nearly complete and when she does so she'll be able to speak at her normal volume and stream more often. So maybe thise time the more active streaming will stick!

But that's it for now. Check the last OP for a quick rundown of what's to come this week with one small correction: the new DND campaign will be starting at the same time the previous one did. Schedules are weird if you read them incorrectly so my bad but you don't want to miss it! Or maybe you do if you hate tabletop games. Either way, bait is flying fast and hard these past couple of days so make sure you do your best to keep the thread comfy and civil. If you see tasty tasty bait ignore it. And always, always, always be excellent to each other.

VShojo is:
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/veibae

Previous thread: >>10494396

>> No.10507701
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>the guy in this fanfic is playing fallout new vegas online
what the fuck

>> No.10507718

Free Goro.

>> No.10507740
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Vei with Peter.

>> No.10507773
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Zen's twitter removed Vshojo references in the profile and over the weekend her twitter wasn't linked to the Discord.
Something happened that ruined her year on Friday and there haven't been any posts since an "F" on Sunday.

Now go back to Hime finally returning.

>> No.10507779
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Don't you wish you could be this happy too?

>> No.10507780
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>Implying Silver wouldn't know what a fucking build in a Bethesda game is
>This guy is an absolute master at Fallout New Vegas and has to teach everyone else how to play it.
This fucking fanfic

>> No.10507861
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>this guy gets sucked into the internet
>gets to hang out with all the vshojo girls
>chooses to spend all day playing Halo Wars and Fallout New Vegas online instead

>> No.10507901
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>when a gaint pair of tits presses into your face

>> No.10507946
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>Calls Nyan Nyancchi when she isn't Haruka
She has to die

>> No.10508019

>He gets his arms Wookiee'd
Deserved

>> No.10508039

Nyan read out a joke pitch of mine on stream again feelsgoodman

>> No.10508059
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>>10505621
Hime is the mother of zen and froot
This explains the three dragons appearing in the same group

>> No.10508067

this might end up being hime's longest stream
tho that's not saying much

>> No.10508100

>already a video on Nyan's channel for the outfit reveal
>official channel was clipping her while the stream was still going
Did they start investing more in their YT presence?

>> No.10508143

At some point Hime is going to have to learn how to VIP her friends.

>> No.10508179

>>10508143
maybe after she makes sub badges

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>>10508039
She used to read my messages all the time. After she started breaking 7K my voice got lost. I still love her though. I wonder if she remembers me.

>> No.10508195

>>10508100
More like they took what Snuffy was bitching about and realized that the advantage of VShojo is that they, as the company representing the streamers, are probably not beholden to Twitch's rules. So they can get the drop on the clippers and rake in all that sweet quick content clickbait.

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>>10508183

>> No.10508261
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>GET YOUR HANDS OFF HIME YOU BITCH!
I'm liking this fanfic. It's so fucking poorly written. Anyway schedule time. Currently live:

Hime - New outfit debut. It's a carbon copy of Sydsnap's outfit. Strange how that works out. She's currently reading fanfics and as you can tell that is where I currently am. https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Layna - If that's not your thing Layna's doing more Pixelmon in Minecraft. If you missed her new Live2D model then at least pop in for a few seconds to check it out because it's really cute. https://www.twitch.tv/laynalazar
Mira - Or if you just want something even quieter, Mira is playing Deltarune chapter 2. Her model's not on screen for some reason. Don't know why. https://www.twitch.tv/mirapink

And tomorrow's schedule:

Nyan - Finally finishing FFX. You bet your ass I'll be here and watching this live. It's bound to get really emotional and she's close enough to the end you shouldn't expect another 10+ hour stream.
Mouse - Connor compliment stream. When she initially pitched this idea she would have to do it for 1 hour with a timer that resets every time she fucks up. Don't know if that aspect is being kept in but if it is then it could become a full Connor compliment stream
Mel - Schedule just says Twitch. Nothing more. Nothing less. Likely just hanging out but maybe it'll be media share or something else.
Silver? - Tuesdays aren't abnormal for her, but there's no schedule yet so it's a big maybe.

Zen's an unknown. Vei's taking the day off. So is Hime. And Froot is currently setting up traps to stop a couple of wet bandits from breaking nto her home on Christmas.

>> No.10508274

>>10508195
I think that's right, but it probably involves paying Jugs and the clipper more.

>> No.10508329

This is the most Hime stream of all Hime streams to date

>> No.10508343

>>10508274
Short term loss, long term gain. If the algorithm pushes them instead of the clippers, they win big time.

>> No.10508397

>>10508274
Okay having said that, what I cannot reconcile is why the Nyanners channel has a clip already. The VShojo Highlights one I can because that's their official clip channel, but Nyanners would be under the 24 hour rule. Hm.

>> No.10508431

>>10507780
Silver's had to scold chat to quit backseating her while playing Skyrim practically every Skyrim stream, the hell is this writer on?

>> No.10508472

>this is all a fanfic
Jesus I thought hime was reading an ai generated story with how little sense it made

>> No.10508517
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>you will never be doted on like this
why live

>> No.10508555

>>10508261
>Froot gets the movie plot treatment
Do be the way it is

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>> No.10508652

Oh God now he's got Mori and Kiara in this fanfic.

>> No.10508656
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How will deadbeats ever recover from this one?

>> No.10508704

>>10508656
>(No wine glass)
Stopped reading there. It's over for her

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>the fucking resolution on Gura's pic
I fucking love this

>> No.10508790

Hime knows jack shit about the holo-meta and that's hilarious.

>> No.10508854
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It can't end like this. WHERE'S THE FUCKING UPDATE

>> No.10508909

>>10508397
Gunrun pull some strings probably

>> No.10509059

>i was one of the people in chat telling Hime to raid layna
nice. also noticing that most of the raiders are using nyan or mouse emotes and not hime lol

>> No.10509072

Anyone else have a completely abrupt end to that Hime stream before the raid?

>> No.10509154

>>10509072
Eh that happens sometimes. I was noticing some background audio cutting in and out on her stream.

>> No.10509185

>>10509059
Same. I was jut really hoping that she wouldn't raid Noble since he was also on and some people were suggesting it.

>> No.10509223

So now that Hime has streamed, is Froot the one we are supposed to hate now?

>> No.10509276

>>10509223
Most people here never hated Hime. They just wanted her to stream more often.

>> No.10509361

>>10509276
Some people definitely hated Hime, or at least gave off the impression they did. Could have just been general baitfags tho. Hard to tell.

And there's already plenty of dickholes who hate Froot so we don't need to start that shit. You do what you want, >>10509223, but you're an asshole regardless. I don't know what is going on with Froot any more than the rest of you, but whatever it is we just wait and see.

>> No.10509362

>>10509223
This>>10509276
We are not required to pick someone to hate

>> No.10509367

Do you think that Silver will actually play Psychonauts 2 this week?

>> No.10509385

>>10509276
Yeah she just had to show up to her training arc, if she gets consistent she'll be good in a couple months.

>> No.10509401

>>10508195
>are probably not beholden to Twitch's rules
if they weren't hime wouldn't have been banned, the "24 hour rule" has never been enforced either. The largest streamers on the platform all have content up on Youtube before 24 hours as well

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>>10509367
She definitely will. Unless she doesn't.

>> No.10509700

>>10509361
Eh the most negative stuff I've seen about Hime here that wasn't super blatant bait was just "Her lack of streaming reflects negatively on the group since there's only 8 of them." which I can kind of agree with but it's also something that is directly tied to how frequently she streamed so I'd lump that into the same category of people whose issues will be satisfied if she does better. Like you'd think there would be some people genuinely angry about how fucking scuffed her shit is but I think most people agree that it's so scuffed it loops back around to being charming lol

>> No.10509717

>>10509401
I am not sure why you're conflating what happened with Hime with what I just stated. The rules of Twitch are that the streamer (partnered) cannot post their content to other websites within 24 hours of broadcasting. Since VShojo only represents the streamers as an agency, they may not be beholden to those rules.

>> No.10509819

>>10509717
Think they're referring to Nyan's channel also having a vid up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsPrJzZJVDs

>> No.10509968

Wow VShojo actually has 2 clips up. And they're doing the exact thing that Nyan mentioned wanting to see more clippers do. Longer formatted stuff that isn't super bite sized so you can get entire bits instead of 1 minute out of context moments. The entire fake boyfriend from Canada story is a clip on the channel now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfiWYfGKrs0

>> No.10510052

>>10509367
She said she would, but Silver can be kinda mercurial and drop things on a lark because something suddenly came up and she either suddenly decided to do something else or had to cancel the stream to solve something for someone else and not explain that until days after the fact.

>> No.10510120

>>10509968
Must be easy to get your critiques heard when you're your agency's big moneymaker, I guess.

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Oh my.

>> No.10511560

https://twitter.com/BrianTsuii/status/1442345361490825216

Brian Tsui showing off a bit of the 2D Mel model.

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>> No.10512549

>>10511673
Can we get, like, plushies of ALL the VShojo girls in this style?

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Question about the Nyanners FFX highlight, would it be a good or bad idea to keep all her advanced FFX knowledge in? I think its interesting and certainly goes beyond most people's knowledge of the game.

>> No.10512743

>>10512549
I wish.

>>10512573
Kept in of course. Her trivial (but extensive) knowledge of the game is half the fun.

>> No.10512881

>>10512573
You could probably make a whole video about that alone and it would be great

>> No.10512980

>>10512743
how can something be both trivial and extensive?

>> No.10513060

It's Haruka isn't it?

>> No.10513121

>>10509717
that rule isnt enforced in the slightest

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>>10512980

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>> No.10514258 [DELETED] 

Zentreya suicide stream hopefully soon

>> No.10514671

>>10514258
hey chat my parents disowned me, LETS GOOOOOOOOO

>> No.10514895

>>10514258
what happened

>> No.10514924

>>10514895
nothing
stop replying to bait

>> No.10515061

>>10514895
The real answer is we don't know, but it's something bad. See here recent Tweets. The severity of which and the nature of which is unknown so spergs have been speculating shit like Zen's out of VShojo or whatever - when it could be anything.

>> No.10515218

>>10514895
theyre having a bad time and removed vshojo and other stuff from their bio

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>>10515061
What if the couple rrat really was true and they broke up

>> No.10515423

>>10514895
Vshojo probably dropping dead weight

>> No.10515567

>>10515423
Unlikely. Hime is the biggest dead weight. Besides if they wanted to drop Zen they wouldn't have made merch. Whatever happened (If anything) was Zen's decision.

>> No.10515592

>>10515423
you mean mel and mouse dropping dead weight

>> No.10515650

Well, I see the Asian community is awake and baiting as usual. Jesus.

Ignore the dramafaggotry, rrat peddlers, and weak ass bait, people. For crying out loud learn how to recognize it and find some self control.

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She’s in

>> No.10515681

>>10515658
Did she apply? I feel like she might be too big to benefit

>> No.10515822

>>10515592
>Mel and Mouse
>Acting like Nyanners hasn't gotten the lion's share of treatment from VShojo when she's gotten concerts and sponsorships and hardly anyone else has

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>>10515822
Mel can get her concert when she can sing.
Mouse can get her concert when she can walk.

>> No.10515949

>>10515822
i wonder if vshojo has managed to help mousey out with any of her medical issues

>> No.10515959

>>10515822
when vshojo started nyanners was way bigger than the other girls, it's natural that she would get more offers, right now she's not that far away from the others

>> No.10515998

>>10515949
they might help if she has special request for tech/equipment to facilitate her but i think mouse is 1000 times more qualified to find ways to help herself

>> No.10516051

>>10515998
>but i think mouse is 1000 times more qualified to find ways to help herself
you'd be surprised how useful a good lawyer can be, even in situations that don't appear to need one

>> No.10516094

>>10515822
>gotten concerts
It was one concert and I'm not sure how much of a part VShojo played in it.Seemed more like Kizuna Ai's people set it up.

>> No.10516179

>>10515567
>Hime is the biggest dead weight
HIme is in Vshojo as an outlet for networking with anitubers, she serves a purpose

>> No.10516373

>>10515959
She peaked at 11k viewers today. No one else in vshojo has gotten anywhere near those numbers

>> No.10516426

>>10516373
Her and Mouse have both had higher peak numbers, as far as average viewers go there's not that much difference between Nyan, Mouse and Vei

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>go to sleep
>misses Nyan's eyebag kino
>misses legendary Hime stream
Its ok, I am used to it. Hope vods are not deleted.

>> No.10517121

So I suppressed my gamer rage long enough to finally give Nyanners another chance. It turns out I fucking love her. Do I lose my 4chan license now or what?

>> No.10517205

>>10517121
get the fuck out and never return

>> No.10517228

>>10517121
It means the opposite. Nyan's sense of humor is so intrinsically 4chan you're actually going to be stuck here longer for liking her. Just like a week ago she showed cockmongler on stream

>> No.10517299

>>10517121
No license required but you have to go by the name Nyanfyan now

>> No.10517369

Gotta love that burst of activity when Silver is allowed to have her twitter hour.

>> No.10517457

>>10517205
Ive been trying for fucking years
>>10517228
I find her extremely nostalgic, it's like she somehow never left the mid 2000s. It was mind bending coming to the realization that she still has that style of humor that 4chan lost. Shes like the prodigal son only shes a goofy pink cat. she reminds me of happier times.

>> No.10517585

>>10517457
That's a good way of putting it. Now you have to sink deeper into the vshojo rabbit hole and start watching everyone else. Or just watch Nyan on the side and do whatever else you're already doing I don't give a fuck it's just nice to have one less mad person.

>> No.10517826

>>10517457
As a fellow 4ennial It clicks heavily, also weird thinking that watamote is 10 years old by now. All she needs to do now is go on an hour long tangent about Darker than Black or something.

>> No.10517998

>>10517299
Can I barter you down to Nyanon?
>>10517585
I have to agree, its hard to talk about anything anywhere on 4chan because of angry anons.

>> No.10518235

>>10517826
If she starts playing obscure RPGMaker games the ritual will be complete and we'll all be returned to 2005. We'll all have another shot at the future.

>> No.10518388

>>10517998
>Can I barter you down to Nyanon?
...good enough

>> No.10518408

>>10518235
Mario made her games list, we could go back even further

>> No.10518689

>>10518388
perfect, "good enough" is my whole M.O.
>>10518408
How far back can Nyan Titor take us?

>> No.10518721

>>10518689
Habbo stream when

>> No.10518806

Hey guys, got a surprise on twitch DnD next week.

>> No.10518813

>>10518721
anon please I can feel myself disintegrating into dust

>> No.10518947

>>10508261
Poor rat being forced into spoiling monkeman

>> No.10518973

>>10518721
You're reminding me of my youthful escapades of trading a club sofa from my first month of Habbo Club until I had a mochamaster, a Russian samovar, a dicemaster and a holoboy. Those kids didn't know the value of what they had, lmao. If only I rode that hustling mindset into adulthood...

Did similar shit in Coke Music/Studios, abused the new account caps bonus to get coke couches and traded em to my main where I'd trade em for other shit, goddamn I had some amazing rooms. Also went around the neighborhood digging through recycling bins to find coke bottles with unused codes, lmao

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>>10518721
I was there for the habbo raids man. I was THERE. These fuckin kids and their politics. They don't know lulz. They weren't there.

Also requesting nyanners in Nam gear with "born to nyan" on her helmet plox.

>> No.10519190

>>10519127
>These fuckin kids and their politics
I was there too. I can pinpoint to you exactly when shit started going downhill. March 2008: the IRL portion of Chanology begins. That's the event horizon of lulz

>> No.10519662

okay but were you there at the naruto forum raids?

>> No.10519844

>>10516179
Mori despite having no connections or care for anitubers has networked with more anitubers than Vshojo has, even if you assume with some ass-backwards newfag rrat that Mousey only met Connor through Hime.

>> No.10520037

>>10515822
Do people even really consider Mel a big figure in Vshojo to begin with? Nobody gets less than her but Hime.

>> No.10520073

>>10519844
Mori is one order of magnitude bigger than anybody in Vshojo, she doesn't need to network. She IS the network

>> No.10520179

>>10520037
She gets most of her attention (and money) on CB. Though she is still really entertaining as a "Just chatting" streamer. I think people perceive her as just a porn streamer when she is probably the best collab "get" out of anyone on the squad.

>> No.10520181

>>10520073
That wasn't really the point, it's the fact that saying "Hime is they're 'in' to anitubers!" is just strictly wrong on every single level.

>> No.10520198

>>10520073
Not really sure what metric you're measuring that on
>>10520037
Yes, they do, because she is. Also not sure where you're getting your numbers from but she gets as good if not better than Silver, Froot and Zen

>> No.10520199

>>10520037
I mean, she averages more viewers than Zen and Froot (and Hime) on Twitch (also CB), plus she basically founded VShojo, so I'd say she's pretty important.

>> No.10520206

>>10520073
>order of magnitude bigger
>regularly gets half the viewership that nyan gets
oof

>> No.10520220

>>10520037
She's still the icon that brought western vtubing into the mainstream, and the most well known one due to being known as the one that dies CB, and the semi manager of vshojo, so how many viewers she has doesn't realy matter

>> No.10520242

>>10520198
I think it's more "crossover" appeal and the "prestige" of hololive. But, that only means as much as you put into the stock of hololive. Youtube and twitch may as well be apples and oranges as far as metrics go.

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Based.

>> No.10520324

>>10520073
>Mori is one order of magnitude bigger than anybody in Vshojo
kek, maybe if you only look at subs

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>>10520220
>She's still the icon that brought western vtubing into the mainstream
Wow, she was the first western vtuber to get like 4k viewers on twitch, that sure was bringing it to the mainstream.

God, you're fucking stupid.

>> No.10520392

>>10520364
I feel like you're confused about what mainstream means

>> No.10520399

>>10520364
oki doki holofag

>> No.10520411

>>10520364
>vtuber to get like 4k viewers on twitch
It was 15k btw

>> No.10520414

>>10520179
>>10520198
>>10520199
>>10520220
I'm not talking about viewers, I'm talking about Vshojo and what they do for Mel and how important they perceive her as. Or lack thereforof.

>> No.10520459

>>10520414
She's on par with mouten and gun in the company so yes.

>> No.10520463

>>10520392
>>10520411
People didn't give a shit about western vtubers until Coco, none of you even knew who Mira was let alone Rhythm or the german or any staples of the english vtuber scene that were "big standouts" in 2018. And considering how mainstream western vtubers get 15k at their worst it's fucking retarded to call her twitch-debut peak "hitting the mainstream".

>> No.10520478

>>10520414
You brought up the numbers in the first place saying only hime gets less than her

>> No.10520484

>>10520414
Probably as much as they do for anyone else, it's all backend and business stuff. None of it is particularly interesting. There isn't any thread on /vt/ chomping at the bit to see who RAID: Shadow Legends is going to sponsor next.

>> No.10520485

>>10520463
I feel like it's splitting hairs to call Coco a western vtuber

>> No.10520499

>>10520478
By replying to >>10515822 which had nothing to do with numbers? Read the reply chain before you reply to a post.

>> No.10520519

>>10520463
What mainstream western vtubers get 15k at their worst? That was even Guras average for August suggesting it gets worse than that for everyone

>> No.10520531

>>10520485
The only reason I'm using her as an example is because if we look at the ACTUAL mainstream english vtubers, there's not even an argument in her favor at best or the thread will shit itself at worst.

>> No.10520539

I want to drink Vei's piss.

>> No.10520568

>its another 'lol gura is so much bigger than vshojo anyone else /numbers/ here???' episode

>> No.10520571

>>10520539
I want to piss the makeup off of her face while she cries. Consensually.

>> No.10520643

when did poke,soda, pdp dabble in vtubing? after coco? no, it was after they saw mel. when did asmongold, who was at the time the 3rd largest twitcxh streamer talk about vtubing? when he mentioned melody pissing of camgirls, when did news articles that have nothing to do with vtubing or anime report on vttubing? when they talked about melody, when did ""debuting soon" vtubers start to take over twitter? a month or 2 after melody debuted, when did anitubers start talking about vtubers alongside anime? when they heard about melody.

>> No.10520653

>>10520568
Yeah you get the holobuff with /number/ and running on youtube. But, even if you've got the numbers it's still boring as fuck.

>> No.10520681

>>10520643
>when did poke,soda, pdp dabble in vtubing? after coco? no, it was after they saw mel.
That's... not really a compliment to her, anon.

>> No.10520692

>>10520681
its not meant to be, something becoming mainstream ruins it.

>> No.10520738

The fact is Melody brought attention from media and viewers that didn't even know what vtubers were.This happened months before holo en existed and resulted in a boom in the number of vtubers, viewiers and followers on twitch that just kept going up all through the year.

>> No.10520771

If Melody didnt prime the west for vtubers, holo EN would have flopped (more than they did)

>> No.10520817

>>10520738
Everyone stopped caring about the Melody controversy after like a week or two though. Poki and them did their vtuber models after holo en exploded

>> No.10520896

>>10520771
you mean azur lane?

>> No.10520952

>>10520771
Vtubers were already exploding in the west before Mel even debuted, let alone the following weeks of controversy.

>> No.10520979

>>10520952
Which ones do you think were exploding before her?

>> No.10521014

>>10520979
Coco's entire batch, Korone, Fubuki, Aqua, so on and so forth.

>> No.10521031

>>10521014
you live in a bubble if you think anyone knew about coco before

>> No.10521044

>>10521014
All those western vtubers. The fuck dude?

>> No.10521113

>>10521031
That's ironic coming from someone posting in this thread, Coco absolutely exploded in December and only exploded further through January to the point where she was the fastest vtuber to ever hit 100k for years, hitting it not even two weeks after her debut, and one of the fastest to hit 1mil until Gura.
>>10521044
>exploding in the west
Please don't tell me I need to tell you about clippers and how they popularized japanese speaking vtubers in the west to extraordinary degrees.

>> No.10521219

>>10521031
this entire board was made specifically because coco/azurlane/scatman broke /jp/ anon

>> No.10521246

>>10521113
What you were arguing against was a guy saying Mel "brought western vtubing into the mainstream"
Some people in the west watching youtube clips from japan is not bringing western vtubing into the mainstream

>> No.10521299

>>10521219
are you realy implying that something being popular on jp means its mainstream?

>> No.10521300

>>10521246
No, anon said
>If Melody didnt prime the west for vtubers, holo EN would have flopped (more than they did)
Vtubers were primed in the west long before Melody debuted. If I really wanted to argue semantics I'd bring up Kizuna, but if we're being honest vtubers became a thing people seriously started paying attention to after her and a buncha other things happened, like the membership drama or the aforementioned azur lane collab or random videos and translated clips exploding.

>> No.10521366

>>10521299
on its own no but it was a symptom of something bigger when a dead board goes to the top 10 like a more extreme version of the elections """""boost""""

>> No.10521416

>>10521113
Melody's CB streams weren't palatable to a lot of people but that doesn't mean they didn't know about them. Mainstream news organizations reported on the CB drama. It was a "oh wow look at this weird thing on the internet" kind of story that didn't really put her in the most positive light, but it definitely raised public awareness of vtubing in the west, even if people didn't fully understand it. Sure, she didn't see numbers like Coco did, but a lewdtuber never was going to appeal to the masses the same way.

>> No.10521422

>/vsj+/ doesn't know about the Christmas Calamity
Oh, you sweet, sweet innocent souls.

>> No.10521444

>>10521422
Spoonfeed me your secrets

>> No.10521786

>>10521444
The calamity, also known as the Flood, is pretty much exactly what anons talking about. The early stages of it anyways, it didn't get really bad until Towa when EOPs(think the kind of kids who go "say puta madre pls pls pls:)" but in english) completely took over her channel imo

>> No.10521804
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https://twitter.com/VyugenOfficial/status/1441445805697781761
Yocci NOT in because she's in somewhere else

>> No.10521822

>>10521804
where you been, anon?

>> No.10521836

>>10521822
Trying to juggle all these fucking vods

>> No.10521843

>>10521836
lol fair enough

>> No.10521880

>>10521804
Still a little odd they only follow vsho and holo on twitter. Has their been a press release or anything or is it just a loose affiliation?

>> No.10521895

>>10521804
But she is in it. Am I missing something?

>> No.10521901

I'm ready for more /vt/ cup matches. How is it only Tuesday.

>> No.10521927
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>>10521804
Vyugen is just a secret VShojo branch guys. Don't worry.

>> No.10521941

>>10521880
Closest thing to a press release was later into Yuniiho's redebut at this timestamp
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1158933755?t=02h02m36s

>> No.10522063

>>10521941
Side note, someone needs to tell Yunii to put up some acoustic panels or something, it sounds like she's streaming from a concrete box

>> No.10522081

>>10521927
Nothing really to stop silver being friends with any of them anyway

>> No.10522097

>>10521927
i still don't get why people think this, the world doesn't revolve around vshojo

>> No.10522183

>>10522097
That's just one of the people who was hoping for yocci in vshojo I guess
Saw some suggesting the glitch too

>> No.10522235

>>10521804
So, does it look like an actual company or group of friends pooling resources do far?

>> No.10522247

>>10522235
Yes

>> No.10522248

>>10522235
the latter

>> No.10522274

>>10522235
Just like vshojo, so pretend it's the latter when its actually the former.

>> No.10522290

>>10522097
At one point they were only following their talent and VShojo. This was after they leaked their lineup by following them early. It's obviously not true now since they're following a bunch of other shit too

>> No.10522552

>>10522183
>people unironically ever thought dyarikku would join vshojo
The first rule on her stream is no cussing, and if you say damn or fuck you get t/o'd for 10 minutes. On one hand I can kinda understand that since I grew up with people who unironically hate cussing, but on the other hand that basically meant there was a negative 100000% chance of her ever getting into Vshojo.

Only people who've never visited her channel once would ever think she'd be in it.

>> No.10522690

>>10522552
Guess I never noticed because i hardly ever cuss

>> No.10522727

>>10522690
Yeah, it's surprising how it doesnt come up more often, but when it does she gets really mad. It happened a lot during the Snuffy modeling streams since it obviously brought in new blood. Point is she'd never be able to collab with pretty much anyone but Mel, but the other thing I learned from the Snuffy stream is she hates coomers so that'd be out too.

>> No.10523169

>>10522097
Thats the joke, anon.

>> No.10523280

>>10522727
>Snuffy stream is she hates coomers
what? how does that work? She made the most coomer VTuber model I've ever seem

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>>10523280
If you don't believe me, you can check the VODs when she starts outright removing the titty part of Snuffy's model because chat was annoying her by being coomers.

>> No.10523869

>Froot has pronouns in her twitter bio
The journey towards being a vtweeter continues

>> No.10523923

>>10523869
The great collapse begins

>> No.10523936

>>10523869
>still being on about this shit
back to /pol/

>> No.10523966

>>10523349
Don’t really blame her, she had more viewers than normal when working on Smilfy and the chat was just spamming BOOBA nonstop

>> No.10524135

>>10523869
>muh soul is different than muh flesh religious cult
fuck off

>> No.10524155

https://mobile.twitter.com/haruka_karibu/status/1442813388850020358

Mistakes were made

>> No.10524326

>>10524155
What did she mean by this?

>> No.10524394

>>10524326
In left 4 dead Haruka basically hit every stream workshop mod she thought looked funny and ended up with zombie teletubbies.

>> No.10524404

>>10524155
Tinky-Winky was a menace to society, but no one believed me

>> No.10524510

>>10523936
Back to discord tranny

>> No.10524530

>>10524510
>he doesnt know about froot-nii
kill yourself newfag

>> No.10524559

>>10524530
41% yourself together with her tranny twin

>> No.10524591

>>10524394
RussianBadger just released a video about doing exactly that. Somehow he keeps showing up in my recommendeds after a handful of vtuber clips.

>> No.10524598

>>10524155
Does the moose do media share streams?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2ICoo7Fwmk

>> No.10524621

>>10524510
>>>/pol/

>> No.10524640

>>10524621
>>>discord

>> No.10524716

>>10524621
>>10524640
>>>>FARK

>> No.10524752

>>9557778

>> No.10525357

>>10523966
BOOBA

>> No.10525541

>>10509968
This is welcome news.
Story time is much better than peepeepoopoo out of context moments, even if I think it's funny during the actual streams

>> No.10525656

>>10525541
The twitter clippers do the ooc clips better anyways

>> No.10525953

>>10525656
True actually

>> No.10526114

i know nothing about vtubers beyond watching some clips here and there, but i got some info i wanted to check with you guys since im pretty sure its bullshit
does/ did nyanners have some type of sushi emotes or a voiced dislike of fish
if so is there anything specific behind that

>> No.10526178

>>10526114
No clue, and I live and breath their streams and this thread.
I do know that she mostly eats vegetarian, though not exclusively, and she skips dairy because it ruins her stomach

>> No.10526234

>>10520037
A few months ago during the "We're not saying to not post porn on Twitter but we are suggesting it" fiasco, someone leaked some screenshots from Mel's Discord where she acknowledged that her line of work basically shuts her out from a lot of the same opportunities that the other girls would get. Mel's okay with that because hey, she was able to help the other girls get those opportunities in the first place.

Provided, they consist of three convention appearances (one was unceremoniously shunted into just being a VOD, one wasn't announced until the morning of) and three sponsored streams (two were for Nyanners, one for Silver almost didn't happen), but oh well?

>> No.10526291

>>10526234
Mel did get the Raid sponsor, so there's that

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10526436

>>10523349
Sniffy's ribcage caved in

>> No.10526452

>>10526436
Need the template pls

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>>10526452

>> No.10526604

>>10526114
All I can think of is that she mentioned once that she doesn't like sushi because she got very ill after eating it the first time and it ruined it for her. It was some kind of sushi that used cheese, so she thinks it was that rather than the sushi. She open to trying it again, without the cheese obviously.

>> No.10526659

>>10526234
Porn pays the bills I suppose. Still a good streamer despite puritanical catering. The kson colab is going to do huge numbers when it finally happens and that'll help.

>> No.10526891
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She can't keep getting away with it
https://files.catbox.moe/tizf8o.mp4

>> No.10527511

>>10508100
the official "vshojo highlights" channel is also getting better videos since a few days, instead of just rehashed trash clip compilation

>> No.10527644

>>10516094
it's such a shame that she didn't get to use the model and design.

>> No.10527699

>>10526891
fuck

>> No.10527783

>>10520463
you're an idiot. she was talked about in mainstream media for her chaturbate streams, nobody is talking about 15k people on twitch or whatever.

>> No.10527970
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How can the physical embodiment of cringe be such a chad?

>> No.10527974
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>>10507605
Do you watch vtubers to fall asleep? Do you end up dreaming about them?

>> No.10528059

Bunny live:
https://www.twitch.tv/bunny_gif
Time for sperging, time for fun

>> No.10528184

>>10526291
Sorry for perpetuating the Vshowhore meme by this anology, but Raid Shadow Legends is like the client whose pockets are bursting with cash but whom even many of the whores won’t touch because he’s so shady.

>> No.10528270

>>10527970
Embracing the cringe has gone full circle into GigaChad. Literally just bee urself dawg.

>> No.10528295

>>10527974
This is some kind of... ironic humor right?
>Sees vibrator box in the corner
Wow, they're really dedicated to this bit.

>> No.10528335

>>10528184
I seen more tubers then Mel play Raids on streamer

I think Alittlesugoi and Lumi played it on stream

>> No.10528345

People disrespecting Coco in this thread make me sick.

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>>10524530

>> No.10528362

>>10528335
My point isn’t that no one says yes my point is that they ask EVERYBODY because so many say no

>> No.10528403

>>10528362
Fair enough, but at thing point is Raid any worse then other Gatcha games out there?

>> No.10528408

>>10528362
Desperate as she is for sponsors, it's worth noting that Silver has spoken in the past how she's turned down Raid sponsorships multiple times.

>> No.10528458

>>10528355
Sneed

>> No.10528501

>>10528403
It's actually better for one big reason. They have a limit on how much real cash you can spend every month or so. I remember Mel specifically pointing it out during her sponsored stream and I get the feeling it's a big part of why she agreed to do it given her numerous random stories about people she knows. WOuldn't be surprised if she knows people with addictive personalities and a simple step like that be a huge confidence booster in shilling a product.

Compare to the guy I saw people laughing about on Twitter a few days ago who spent something like $55,000 on a Marvel mobile game over the course of about 2 weeks.

>> No.10528530

>>10528408
Well maybe she can score some of that sweet Hot wheels money like Haruka

>> No.10528560

>>10528408
Silver isn’t desperate, she gets 1k donos like it’s nothing.

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>>10528501
I'm always reminded of this one Japanese gentleman

>> No.10528756

>>10528501
Or DSP who spent more a WWE gatcha game then he does on his mortgage
>>10528530
Hot wheels money?

>> No.10528825

>>10528501
Gachas are just gambling 2.0. The trick was to replace real world winnings with virtual bits, and it also avoids long standing laws that prevent children from gambling. Completely based, peak capitalism at its finest.

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>>10528458

>> No.10528842

>>10528355
I feel like we are at that moment in the 80s where people who never met gay ppl hated gays cuz AIDS. now most people know at least a few gay people.
IRL “trannies” are usually nice, interesting, educated people. especially the f2M I have met tend to be super cool. People see unhinged trans ppl on Twitter and assume that is the typical tranny. But 4chan posters love to be wild and edgy online so of course they gravitate toward and attract other shit-stirring, outrageous people, such as mentally ill trannies. At some point the insult will lose its currency even on 4chan but it will take time. I just recommend staying off Twitter.

>> No.10528887

>>10528403
I have no earthly idea. But i am disinclined to check it out because how great a game can it be if they are so pathologically desperate for advertising?

>> No.10528941

>>10528756
she has a hot wheels sponsorship on friday

>> No.10528961

>>10528941
*sunday, whoops

>> No.10528970

>>10523349
>draws snuffy half-naked with cow-print thong
>hates coomers
???

>> No.10529047

>>10528970
rikku only rigged the model, nanoless designed/drew it

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>>10528842
I would be fine with trannies if we had the technology

>> No.10529160

>>10528842
You know how it goes, one bad apple spoils the bunch. A thread or two ago someone was bitching that all trans people expect you to change your whole world view and suck cock, and it's like "no, they just want you to respect them as a human".

Five bucks day to day the people who cry most wouldn't even know someone was trans.

>> No.10529187

Haruka live and is about to go into fucking debt. According to her tweet she's going to gift 10 goddamn subs everytime she faceplants in Jump King https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu

>> No.10529199

>>10528970
Those are the only kind of women who still frighten me. The ones who will unironically yell at you for sexualizing things that are inherently sexual. Some true-believing misogynists believe that description to apply to every “western woman” but I’ve found the woman who will actually do this to be a very rare thing.

>> No.10529205

>>10528970
She might just hate looking over at chat and seeing the epic joke of "BOOBA?" for the thousandth time

>> No.10529228

>>10528842
>comparing trannies to gays
You have to go back.

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>>10529187
>According to her tweet she's going to gift 10 goddamn subs everytime she faceplants in Jump King

>> No.10529262

>>10528530
I was so surprised to see that in her schedule. I'm happy for her, I hope the game doesn't suck too much ass.

>> No.10529292

>>10529199
Shut up Intel she didnt even draw the model she only rigged it.

>> No.10529321

>>10529187
So much for the sponsored stream.

>> No.10529355

>>10529199
The annoying thing isn't sexualizing it, it's endless spam of the same shit when she's been working on the model for days.

>> No.10529392

>>10522097
Probably because of a combination of the name, the logo, and the fact that everyone in the group has ties to VShojo or is close with them. Like I never believed that myself but the connections are there to form a pretty decent rrat.

In reality if VShojo did make a spinoff group exclusively for artists and they didn't include Lyn Mametchi then that would be a monumental fuckup.

>> No.10529396

>>10529321
wdym the sponsored stream is in a few days
she's gonna need that sponsorship money if she wants to stay afloat after this

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>>10529187
M-my wife does know she'd go broke if she gifted ONE sub per faceplant, right?
Right?

>> No.10529408

>>10529205
Okay but that just makes her an average person—i.e. a norman unsuited to inhabit the squalid coomer den that is Vshojo.

>> No.10529430

>>10529397
Your wife is going to be sucking dick behind a dumpster if she goes through with this. Chat better give her a reality check.

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Silver's schedule is up.

>> No.10529447

>>10529397
Okay she just clarified on stream lmfao. Every 10 time she falls she gifts 10 subs. That's still probably going to bankrupt her but it's significantly less awful.

>> No.10529459

>>10529397
turns out that was the plan all along

>> No.10529471

>>10529187
>>10529250
>mfw this will be the streamer where Haruka shows off her gaming skills

>> No.10529499

>>10529292
>Intel
How do you know he doesn't use an AMD?

>> No.10529513

>>10529446
Nice looking forward to that collb tomorrow and 2 psychonauts 2 streams to make up for delaying it almost 3 weeks now.

>> No.10529514

>>10529262
Well you know, she finally found out how to car

>> No.10529526

>>10529446
valheim collab, nice. the initial valheim stream with snuffy, vei and nyan was very fun.

>>10529471
she played the game a few days ago before her l4d collab. she was doing good, but not amazing.

>> No.10529552

>>10529514
Who, Haruka or Silver?

>> No.10529633

>>10529552
how to car, obviously

>> No.10529651

>>10529499
You can stop trying to doxx my processor thanks. I do, in fact, have a powerful intel Xeon on my work laptop but it would not be advisable to browse these sorts of websites on my employer’s network.

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https://controlc.com/ee2a77ac

mikey lore post
mikey calls Nyan a Selfish Sigma female Anime Waifu

>> No.10530025

I wonder if this is going to be a short thing before the Collab with taka

>> No.10530070

>>10530022
>mikeygonzales[#nyanners]: this is A VERY weird Anime
>mikeygonzales[#nyanners]: in a manga
>mikeygonzales[#nyanners]: there's no Freaking Terrorists In anime
what the fuck lol

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/Vsj+/ 4cc caretaker here, a little bit more about grassdiving.
Since Mel scores a lot and obviously is a highlight,
there is an option to steal this head from /aco/ and use it instead of current scuffed model.
Alternatively, I can just try to clean up her current one but I am bad at blender. It is scuffed and has fucked up self made textures but it fits with the rest of the team.
What do you think? Really would help me out with your opinion.

>> No.10530288

>>10530025
Who's collabing with Taka?

>> No.10530333

>>10530245
I don't think the scuff is a bad thing. From what I've watched the other teams are just as scuffed as ours

>> No.10530335

>>10530245
I don't think ymou really have to put yourself out like that most of the models are pretty jank from what I saw. The other head looks nicer though IMO so if a head swap is easy and only takes a minute I wouldn't be against it.

>> No.10530484

>>10530245
As far as I know, you're doing it for free. So, you can make them look however you want and I'd be happy. That said, I think scuffed models fits this thread quite well.

>> No.10530509

>>10530245
The scuff is charming

>> No.10530519

>>10530288
https://mobile.twitter.com/Takahata101/status/1441845957121830912

This thing.

>> No.10530541

>>10530519
Haruka sure gets around

>> No.10530630

>>10530541
She's a no life nerd, I've seen her turn up in a handful of smaller Indies I watch sometimes too.

Plus she's fairly good friends with taka

>> No.10530645

>>10530630
>she's good friends with taka
He's in

>> No.10530673

>>10530541
she played through it takes two with taka, it's not new

>> No.10530678

>>10530645
Gos, I hope so. I've been a fan of Taka for most of the last decade.

>> No.10530728

>>10530678
I think he knows silver too?

>> No.10530806

>>10530245
If you want to get spicy make a PNG/live 2d asset of the main team shirt and sent it to people.

>> No.10530861

>>10530728
I wouldn't be surprised of he knows Nyan as well. She's mentioned wanting to be a proper VA and he's a legit VA.

>> No.10530915

>>10529392
The only people there with close ties is Yoclesh and Dyarikku, and even then Dyarikku's stretching the definition because she's just a rigger and we're not out here saying Brian's a close friend despite having done like 5 models combined for the group.

Seriously, some of them sometimes draw art for the girls but that's about it.

>> No.10530964

>>10530678
lol well I was joking but he is genuinely someone I think would be a good get for the group. He was on Lewdcast and it was that episode that actually made him want to become a vtuber. He specifically credits Mouse as having helped him go through with that decision, and since debuting he's gotten in super tight with Haruka while also having collabed with Mouse and Zen before. And his bar is just a really great setting while also being a good way for smaller indies to make connections.

>> No.10530997

>>10530728
Takahata was a guest on Lewdcast before he debuted his vtuber, and Mamavale is a regular in his streams. Silver knows him.

>> No.10531001
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>Haruka has gained gamer weight
Good, good.

>> No.10531083

>>10530964
Taka is also a legitimately good dude. He's the type of dude that likes seeing others succeed.

>> No.10531086

>>10531001
She was already fat though. What's gamer weight on top of normal weight?

>> No.10531089

>>10530678
I hope not, his model is ugly as shit with that stubby facial hair. Even Senz is more visually appealing despite him looking a lot like a certain man.

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>>10531086
You're just making it better.

>> No.10531191

>>10531083
I respect him a lot for being open with his problems with alcohol, and every time he points out how long he's been sober I feel proud. I lost a friend to alcoholism, feels good to see SOMEONE fight that dragon.

>> No.10531214

>>10530997
>>10530678
>>10530519
Man I miss DBZA. I mean, I guess it's understandable that they were burnt out after 13 years of doing it, but fuck, man...

>> No.10531235

>>10529446
I'm glad Silvers new times are working for her. She seems really happy and her views have been getting better.

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>>10531001
Let us paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu_R_OGCuI4

>> No.10531290

>>10531214
Same. One of my impossible dreams was actually to become a pro VA just so I could somehow appear on DBZA.

>> No.10531366

>>10531214
Not just burnt out, but Toei is Toei. You can only have so many run-ins with a company before you start to wonder if it's really worth it when one of the blows inevitably finally lands and sticks. Everyone there has a career now which is really the ultimate end-goal for any abridger.
Now if only SAO abridged could have more than two episodes a fucking year...

>> No.10531393

>>10531191
A bartender that's a recovered alcoholic. That's irony.

>> No.10531408

>>10531235
Honestly I'm watching her more now become of the better hours, in my timezone it was "it's 7am and silver is still up, is my brain ready"

>> No.10531501

>>10531191
I really liked during his lewdcast episode the heart to heart he shared with Mouse. She talked about how during a lot of her extended hospital stays she only had stuff like new episodes of DBZ and Hellsing abridged to keep her company and she appreciated the work they'd done to make that time more tolerable. Then he goes and adds to the emotion by bringing up how nice that made him feel and how he'd been 6 months (I think? At the time) sober.

>> No.10531574

>>10530964
>>10530678
>>10530645
>Man
>Shojo
Maybe when they start V-shonen

>> No.10531598

>>10531574
The applications did say gender doesn't matter lol.

>> No.10531670

Taka is legitimately a good dude. I just wish he didn't do that whole sub slave dog boy thing with Cimrai and Mim. It just doesn't fit him as a person for one and the interactions feel so forced.

>> No.10531673

>>10531574
Why do people take the name so literally? Hololive arent Holograms

>> No.10531688

>>10531574
Wow, you're so funny. I love hearing this exact same joke over and over. Please, do it again. I'm so excited. Ha ha ha.

>> No.10531700

>>10531673
Wait is that really what the Holo in Hololive is for? I never really gave it any thought

>> No.10531750

>>10531688
vSluts won't take in m*les, zen was the exception cause hes a mute and now is no longer in so its all girls

>> No.10531755

>>10531700
Me neither, but the only thing I could think of was holograms and holographic. Or the greek root ὅλος for whole.

>> No.10531767

>>10531191
fuck, i just came back from the liquor store...

>> No.10531819

>>10531767
Drinking is fine, anon. I enjoy a drink or two myself. It's when you're letting alcohol ruin your life and the lives of those around you that it's bad.

>> No.10531821

>>10531700
Yes but also no. History is complicated because they hid the fact that Hololive even existed for months.

>> No.10531850

>>10531670
Cimrai is a mystery to me

Here is a person that has had no online presence (or if she has then I never heard of it), shows up to the V-tubing scene with a very impressive model and quickly outpaces several tubers that's been at it longer and then starts bossing around people who has been presence longer then her. Taka and Tricky comes to mind

>> No.10531879

>>10531850
VRchat. Simple as that.

>> No.10531895

>>10531235
Have they? She still seems to be firmly planted in the "3K" area she was always in. On the one hand, it's not kneecapping her, on the other, it's still plateaued.

>> No.10531918

>>10531191
>>10531767
>>10531821
Thinking about Snuffy and her alcohol trauma as she describes

Which at best was just a horrible drunken night and at worst a alcohol related psychosis

>> No.10531932

>>10531767
as long as you aren't drinking because you feel like you have to, you should be okay

>> No.10531981

>>10531879
Oh so she was a Vrchat streamer before jumping to V-tubing?

>> No.10532022

what stream did Vei get 10k scamaz'd in?

>> No.10532030

Has Haruka expressed any interest in joining the girls’ Valheim server?

>> No.10532041

Haruka got such a sub bomb that she's crying

>> No.10532064

>>10531918
This. I'm reminded of Snuffy (or Nyanners?) talking about how they had to get drunk before playing D&D because it was so stressful. That's always a warning sign.

>> No.10532104

>>10532064
There's a lot of warning signs that we can point to, but very recently across boards including this one someones been making the rounds about that guy so there's no point going into much detail.

>> No.10532146

>>10531850
Taka and Tricky are especially good examples because both had pretty significant online presences and fanbases long before vtubing was even a thing.

>> No.10532179

>>10532030
I don't think she has talked about it.

>> No.10532235

>>10532064
whats a warning sign is that they as a group will rather get drunk than talk to arc about how they feel and that the way he handled it stressed them out, I know at least once nyanners tried to get the others to do a dnd session sober when she realised its a problem then vei showed up drunk after saying she wouldn't drink and egged nyanners on to drink too, their friendship is toxic

>> No.10532268

i hope zen is okay

>> No.10532281

>>10532235
I've considered Vei toxic ever since she pulled what she did on Silver with their FFXIV wedding, this just lends more proof.

>> No.10532295

>>10532146
I'll say it again.
I did not like Tricky's verse on the Pokemon Cypher

>> No.10532309

>>10532235
I feel like that's the one example where Vei didn't assert herself way too much onto someone.

>> No.10532350

>>10532235
>will rather get drunk than talk to arc about how they feel
they did talk to him at first and he hand waved their questions or problems, to the point that he was agressive towards Nyanners when she talked to him in private about the boss fight being bullshit. there's a good reason they stopped talking to him privately.

>> No.10532379

>>10532064
I think Snuffy was high for DnD not drunk
>>10532281
What did she do during the wedding

>> No.10532405

>>10532379
stopped playing right after the wedding then deleted the character

>> No.10532422

>>10532350
Remember how he forced himself into her servers and did a Q&A where he yelled at her viewers, and she thought mods gave him permission and let it be because she's Nyanners?

Remember how he did that twice?

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WE'RE NOT DOING THE ARCADUM SHUFFLE

>> No.10532453

>>10532405
she never gave a shit about ff14 and went through with the wedding to please Silver

>>10532422
yeah he's a fuckwad, not sure what that has to do with nyanners

>> No.10532459

>>10532350
I don't play DnD, to my knowledge the girls were new to it as well.

Was the fight truly bullshit or was that just Nyanners making a hen out of a feather
>>10532405
Wait how long was there between the wedding and the divorce?

>> No.10532461

>>10532350
>he was agressive [sic] towards Nyanners when she talked to him in private about the boss fight being bullshit.
she called him out in public in discord about it, it wasn't in private

>> No.10532464

>>10532448
threads dying anyways, people are going to get the shots in everytime he's mentioned anyways

>> No.10532520

>>10532405
She also kinda hosed Silver over with the tickets; she sold off all her invites for Gil, and Silver had to use hers to invite the other girls AND the photographer AND the mods before she could invite other friends. And then she stopped playing, deleted her character and started over after Silver had gotten her a bunch of in-game stuff.

>> No.10532530

>>10532405
On top of that the wedding was a hugely stressful event for Silver with countless technical difficulties and human error that had her breaking down, to the point where Momo had to come in and do a pseudo concert while she pulled herself together, and Vei just tried to brush it all off like it didn't affect her.
I'm not of the mindset that she's literally evil but that incident still makes me a bit mad. She fucked up.

>> No.10532532

>>10532453
Vei pushed for the wedding, she wanted a big streamed event. She sold the wedding invitations for gil and made a ton.

>> No.10532566

imagine caring this much about a fake wedding
can't tell if you guys are autistic or just trolling

>> No.10532573

>>10532459
no it was really bullshit. experiences players could have dealt with it fine, but they were never taught anything about the game or the combat and had no idea what tools they even had or what their options were, and Arcadum thought that it was fine to just throw them in there. he should have helped them along a lot more during the fight.

>> No.10532580

>>10532530
Wasn't that when the other girls forgot about the fashion show and were late to judge, not the wedding?

>> No.10532584

>>10532520
>>10532532
Wait, what the fuck? Is this a rrat, because I don't remember hearing this shit about the invitations. Just that Silver accidentally deleted the ring or lost it or something.

>> No.10532603

>>10532520
In Mamavales own word
>Of course she would that little tramp

>> No.10532633

>>10532461
>in public
>on her discord server you need to be a member of her channel to join
yeah that's even worse, she was just venting.

>> No.10532636

>>10532580
It was 100% during the wedding, big open outdoors space that Momo sung on a stage or something as opposed to the indoors fashion show building.

>> No.10532657

>>10532633
it wasn't in the sub channel

>> No.10532687

>>10532520
>she sold off all her invites for Gil, and Silver had to use hers to invite the other girls AND the photographer AND the mods before she could invite other friends.
who fucking cares lmao

>> No.10532696

>>10532566
>lol who cares its just a game
silver did
a lot

>> No.10532707

>>10532584
Vei was openly selling her tickets in the guild chat.

>> No.10532716

>>10532657
I didn't say sub. you need to spend time in her twitch chat and redeem channel points to access her server.
>>10532696
too bad for her lmao

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>>10532459
lol

>> No.10532762

>>10531670
well that part is done with as of cimrai's last subathon.

>> No.10532778

>>10532716
>too bad for her
yeah thats the point schizo, nobody gives a shit about the wedding but their waifu getting shit on by another waifu who thought just like a loner loser like (you)

>> No.10532789

>>10532459
Arc just isn't a very good DM. The fact that this shit came up sort of shows off his failures.
Half of the DM's job is to make things seem like they're fair and everything is running smoothly even when you're pulling shit out of your ass.
There's a reason /tg/ doesn't like him.

>> No.10532805

>>10532728
Look man as I said, I don't play DnD or any roleplaying game. Your image doesn't answer my question whatever or not the fight was bullshit

>> No.10532828

>>10532520
I think there's a time thing going on here. The next time I heard about Vei playing FF14 after the wedding was like a month ago when she made Nia and started playing that new character instead.

The wedding was in February. That's like 7 months inbetween.

>> No.10532857

Oh Haruka is REALLY emotional now

>> No.10532864

>>10532789
The reason why /tg/ doesn't like him has nothing to do with the fact that he's a shit DM and shit person, 95% of that board never played with or probably even heard about him beyond some threads here and there over the years. They were just mad because of the same reason people hated Nyanners; someone who left the site and "made it".

>> No.10532889

>>10532857
>3k viewers
our little cult leading Moose has grown so much

>> No.10532899

>>10532459
It was bullshit, but they also didn't understand basic combat mechanics and when they asked it was explained extremely poorly
It had way too much direct aoe damage
They also didn't understand what exactly you could do in combat other than just swing or fire at monster
The group also kept panicking and misunderstanding the annoying mechanic and telling snuffy not to do anything when her skills were basically railroaded into being the perfect counter to it, but she also didn't really get a chance to understand what her shit really did
I don't really blame them for not being understanding things, but he really should have taken the time to actually teach them shit instead of jerking off in vrchat the piece of shit

>> No.10532913

>>10532889
She gets even better views than Silver.

>> No.10532931

>>10532728
>someone screenshoted my thread and saved it
Based

>> No.10532949

>>10532805
Well it's a screencap from /tg/ and the very first post is someone assuming it's a bait thread so that's pretty much all you need.

>> No.10532975

>>10532899
>but she also didn't really get a chance to understand what her shit really did
And given that she was either high or drunk during the sessions chances are she would never understand

>> No.10533026

>>10532949
My knowledge on /tg/ begins and ends at 1d4chan, what makes something bait on that board is unknown to me

>> No.10533109

>>10532975
true, but from that fight on you could tell she basically checked out entirely and just wanted to do retarded things to antagonise him
he probably did the big "you become main character now" on purpose out of spite and it was too public for her to say no

>> No.10533115

>>10533026
The post was asking for feedback on 'their' boss. Saying it's bait is like saying it's such bullshit that they can't actually be serious even though it's an accurate description of the boss they fought in Ep. 5

>> No.10533196

>>10533109
>he probably did the big "you become main character now" on purpose out of spite and it was too public for her to say no
holy shit I somehow forgot about that. arcadum is a fucking retard.
I was very iffy when he made Haruka come back to life, but taking a character that's trying to kill themselves and putting them in the center of the world is so stupid.

>> No.10533225

>>10532778
What's more is that Silver goes out of her way to shower love on Vei (publicly,, even) when Vei... if she's Silver's friend, she must be very private about it because this Wednesday's collab is their first collab in months.

>> No.10533253

>>10533225
do you actually think content creators only interact publicly?

>> No.10533260

>>10533225
Not more of this 'they aren't really friends because they don't collab every day' bullshit

>> No.10533263

>>10533196
He didn't. I don't like making any posts that even sound a little positive on the guy but by everything we knew at the time Snuffy loved DND and her only complaint was feeling like she wasn't good at RP. Her stream after the Tyre thing was super excited about what that would mean for her in the future though it still carried the worry that she wouldn't be good enough.

We just have some schizo who's been posting for ages that Snuffy wanted to kill herself in DND and never liked it. They'll probably be saying this during Brett's campaign too.

>> No.10533271

>>10533225
To be fair silver showers everyone in love. It's her thing.

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huh

>> No.10533309

>>10533225
Vei is cold to everyone though.

>> No.10533316

>>10533283
so kicked from vshojo and broke down, yikes

>> No.10533320

>>10533263
My rrat is that Snuffy was the mastermind behind the cancelling and did it so she could get out of the Living World of Verum shit

>> No.10533322

>>10533283
Damn I was just coming here to post this. It's something but no idea what it means

>> No.10533327

>>10533283
good, she's getting help

>> No.10533330

>>10533283
uh oh

>> No.10533331

>>10533309
Except for people she flirts with

>> No.10533332

>>10533263
Snuffy was excited for the possibilities and the community's reaction, but she clearly wasn't having fun while playing (probably because of all the weed).

>> No.10533339

>>10533283
>are

>> No.10533361

>>10533309
Not to Snuffy. They're sharing lore and hangout all the time. I don't know why Vei still pretends she cares about Silver.

>> No.10533366

>>10533263
but whats funny is that in one of his earlier DnD campaigns that arc he had an npc say "if all three apprentices get named peril would befall the land" and then shit hit the fan after tomoe became the third.

>> No.10533378

>>10533320
lmfao

>>10533283
The way this is written makes me wonder if Zen posted it or someone else did on her behalf. Like someone in VShojo or something.

>> No.10533401

>>10533316
Still no evidence that she was removed from Vshojo

>> No.10533408

>>10533327
yeah, clearly they weren't well over the last few days, so at least that's good.
>>10533339
that's english for you, it's normal to say are when you use the singular they.

>> No.10533416

>>10533283
on the bright side, this means the girls valheim houses are safe from zen for the foreseeable future

>> No.10533448

>>10533196
given how hyped his community was about the other ones, it stands to reason that if she said no, she basically lost her entire character backstory and both her own community and his (and her friends) would nag her endlessly about it, which would probably cause her to have a breakdown and he would have had another vrchat cumsock
if she said yes (thankfully we don't see this timeline), it means she would have to cameo in sessions for years to come, have special 1on1 sessions with her and he would have had another vrchat cumsock

>> No.10533455

>>10533416
lol I know Zen has a reputation for fucking around like that in online games but I think she's pretty respectful in things that involve building. The worst thing she did in their Minecraft days was accidentally kill a bunch of Mouse's cats but you could tell that it was genuinely a mistake from how it played out and she was panicking trying to fix it.

>> No.10533459

>>10533401
you'd have a breakdown too if you just lost your entire income

>> No.10533461

>>10533416
I was honestly terrified of Zen playing with them. She destroys everything

>> No.10533477

It literally sounds like a shitter stole Zen’s password and is messing around. The only reason I think that isn’t the case that if someone actually did hijack her account, they would post something more vulgar, embarrassing and offensive, etc.
Who refers to themselves in the third person and says their vTuber persona had a “severe mental breakdown”?
Alternatively, who would delegate someone else to take over her account and refer to Zen in such terms while Zen was away receiving mental health treatment. The whole thing is just weird

>> No.10533485

>>10533316
>to CONTINUE work

>> No.10533505

>>10533477
Yeah it screams of ESL, and no other waifus has talked about it.

>> No.10533510

>>10533455
Didn't the cats die because she was trying to rescue one cat that got near a pool of lava or something? I remember finding it really funny at the time. Also when they played Raft the only person that Zen fucked with was herself when she kept trying to fight the shark. Never broke apart any of the raft herself or anything to make things harder for everyone else.

>> No.10533520

>>10533477
sounds like a couple trying to decide who gets what

>> No.10533525

>>10533485
Doesn't say work for Vshojo.

>> No.10533526

>>10533477
Sounds more to me like someone from Vshojo tweeted for Zen. If she just got hacked she could clarify on discord or on stream

>> No.10533527

>>10533477
A person who needs mental help.

>> No.10533528

>>10533477
>It literally sounds like a shitter stole Zen’s password and is messing around.
yeah obviously not, Zen could reach to many people if that was the case.

>>10533485
their work is streaming, not being part of vshojo

>> No.10533540

>>10533477
It's likely just Zen's partner posting

>> No.10533555

>>10533520
this basically proves that zen is more than 1 person like people always assumed

>> No.10533571

>>10533526
My point was what kind of professional would refer to their colleague in those terms? It sounds like a child wrote that.

>> No.10533576

>>10533316
Why would zen get kicked though, she has a decent stable viewership and none of the other girls seem to have any hostile feelings towards her.

>> No.10533575

>>10533477
Yeah i'm only going to believe this when someone else says it's real, otherwise just smells fishy to me

>> No.10533584

>>10533526
Assuming this is the case yeah. Maybe offered the employers an explanation, and they said she should tweet about it. Probably doesn't want to look at the replies and other messages that have come in since then so someone else made the tweet for her.

>> No.10533601

>>10533555
yup. the girly gestures once in a blue moon was what tipped me off but repeating the shit everytime someone says "zen" is asinine.

>> No.10533626

>>10533526
Vshojo doesn't have access to their twitter accounts though, and even though they're unprofessional sometimes you'd think they'd at least proofread it so it's not a grammatical mess.

>> No.10533629

>>10533555
do you think someone found the froot chatlogs and they broke up
>froot at it again

>> No.10533649

>>10533283
ding dong the troon is dead

>> No.10533651

>>10533477
I'm assuming it's just Zen doing a bit.

>> No.10533658

>>10533459
Zen was a streamer before Vshojo and she could continue without Vshojo because she owns the content and character. It would hurt, but it wouldn't remove her entire income. I doubt she was removed from the roster, we'd have an official statement.

>> No.10533665

>>10533576
a lot of stuff can happen behind the scenes.
I don't think they've been kicked though, more like they went crazy and decided to cut ties with vshojo for whatever reason (clearly they thought something wasn't going right with their stream).

>> No.10533670

>>10533576
Because dramafags jump to the juiciest, worst-case scenario conclusions to bait about.

>> No.10533675

>>10533540
It's probably just his girlfriend or a family member at Zens computer. Notice how they never say "she" just Zentreya twice. It's weird. Almost confirms man.

>> No.10533686

>>10533658
>and she could continue without Vshojo because she owns the content and character
>he doesn't know about mosobox

>> No.10533691

>>10533576
She wouldn’t and she didn’t. The only mystery is who the fuck typed that mess on her Twitter account?

>> No.10533694

>>10533576
It's people baiting and it's probably about to ramp up. So for a reminder: None of the girls have had anything negative to say about Zen basically ever, and she's been friends with most of them for longer than VShojo's even been a thing. Mouse in particular puts Zen up on the same level of friendship as Nyan and Mel and it's obvious that Froot and Zen are as close as anyone can be in the group.

Which actually makes me wonder if maybe not VShojo maybe someone like Froot could have done it. They seem close enough and Froot did drop out of the planned thing on Sunday pretty last minute when this is all said to have gone down.

>> No.10533699

>>10533675
Zen has never referred to themselves using a gendered pronoun.

>> No.10533698

>>10533651
I doubt Zen would be joking about mental health like that.

>> No.10533720

>>10533665
Yeah it's way more likely zen lashed out and said a buncha shit before leaving vshojo during the breakdown than they just randomly cut ties and left 'em in the rain.

>> No.10533723

>>10533651
Zen wouldn’t joke about mental health like that. And only a retard would find that to be a funny prank. She gets very serious onstream whenever the topic is brought up.

>> No.10533736

>>10533675
Ooor it was one of her mods. Letting your mods have access to your social media isn't out of the ordinary as far as contingency plans go.

>> No.10533741
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I hope Zen will be okay

>> No.10533744

>>10533698
Probably not. Zen's always been open about her own mental health issues and is the only one of the girls I've seen publicly admit to seeing a therapist.

>> No.10533759

>>10533736
If you're super corporate, yeah, but Zen's actively tried to avoid that image.

>> No.10533764

The most important thing in the world to zen (outside family which we dont know a lot about) is making friends happy. remember when she accidentally insulted froot with the tts fuckup and spent 3h on stream sulking about it and talking about how good of a friend she is? whatever caused it has nothing to do with vshojo as a company, but would be about the group as friends, either she found out that some people she considered friends were just tolerating her and didnt like her, or worse. the "i dont get invited to collabs" thing also points to that, that she realized shes not as well liked as she thought and she did something to make someone unhappy.

>> No.10533786

>>10533736
Well judging by the E5L mod Bao selected, if Zen’s mods are of similar intellectual heft, then I find it at least slightly plausible.

>> No.10533798

>>10533736
>>10533759
yeah I'd believe a family member/partner more than someone online. which would make sense with the weird grammar, it would be someone who doesn't really know how Zen talks or refers about herself and tried to be very careful.

>> No.10533826

It’s a bit weird that nobody in vshojo seems to have acknowledged or even given words of support or encouragement. They’re usually pretty quick to jump on the “I’m sorry you’re feeling down I love you, etc” train

>> No.10533830

>>10533694
>Mouse in particular puts Zen up on the same level of friendship as Nyan and Mel
Do we really need to have the discussion about Mousey and her misuse of words again during this shitshow?
Really?

>> No.10533834

>>10533764
I doubt it would cause a mental breakdown , yes , it's sad , agonizing even , but needing therapy after this ? Idk

>> No.10533843

working on a new thread and i'm just gonna say this before we get into it: there's almost certainly going to be bait threads made about this on the rest of the board, and that will likely come into here

so fucking work extra hard on not taking bait cause holy shit I can see this one getting bad.

>> No.10533846

>>10533764
>remember when she accidentally insulted froot with the tts fuckup
when was it? anyone got a clip of that?

>> No.10533850

>>10533786
>>10533798
When it comes to a statement about something serious most people sound a little stilted, add on top of that intentionally avoiding gendered pronouns and it's gonna sound off.

>> No.10533886

>>10533826
for something serious they probably talked about it in private if anything. and since it seems to be some kind of breakdown with zen cutting ties with vshojo, it's possible the girls weren't in the loop.

>> No.10533893

>>10533830
Mouse's birthday stream put all of her friends into a video in terms of how close they are so as it went on it got more impactful. Zen was actually the very last person in the video and she's long credited Zen as being one of the very first vtubers she ever saw and the first real friend she had after starting. Do your reps if you think otherwise.

>> No.10533898

>>10533826
Vshojo literally "suggested" to the girls to stop reposting NSFW art. You don't think they'd send emails around "suggesting" to keep stuff to DMs?

>> No.10533910

>>10533826
There's a difference between mind goblins and a depressive phase and "a severe mental breakdown."

>> No.10533936

>>10533846
Don't have a clip but Zen meant to say that Froot was a waifu but the TTS interpreted it as "white fool" lmao

>> No.10533938

>>10533459
A) she wasn’t kicked from Vshojo
B) she has loyal fans and even if she were kicked from Vshojo they would still watch her
C) having a “severe mental breakdown” is not a normal reaction to merely losing one’s job. Yes it happens, but people lose their jobs every day. Only a tiny percentage of them go postal.

>> No.10533939

>>10533826
Not that weird, remember when they didn't say shit during Momo's callout post for like a day and a half aside from vague-posting about it?

>> No.10533951

>>10532728
When did that fight go down again because that really looks like a fan made the thread

>> No.10533953

>>10533898
Mel still retweets nsfw. Those are literally suggestions, although very convincing ones.

>> No.10533978

>>10533846
I dont have a clip but its when she called froot a "white bitch" or something, it was white something. she said something else but the tts translated it wrong

>> No.10533982

>>10533951
It's a joke

>> No.10533999

>>10533951
it's a joke post. the OP is making fun of how bad the fight was.

>> No.10534003

>>10533910
Who ever the fuck composed that tweet needs to be slapped.

>> No.10534045

>>10533764
The "I don't get invited to collabs" seems more like a cry for help than anything directly relating to what's going on.
She did just have that L4D collab and Momo invited her to play LoL afterward. They were supposed to do it the next day but Zen went MIA.

>> No.10534050

Hello
On Sunday, without going too much into detail, Anon went into a severe mental breakdown.
Anon will be on break until meds are given and is confident enough to continue shitposting.
Thank you.

>> No.10534055

>>10534003
seriously, the fact that we're having any kinda discussion on this because of some esl-tier shit is sad

>> No.10534065

>>10533283
41% 41% 41% 41% 41% 41%

Zentreya is a man. Fuck all the retards who say it's a she

>> No.10534083

>>10534065
Zentreya is a female dragon drummer. Whoever plays the character is of no concern, especially since they use TTS.

>> No.10534086

>>10534065
>babinikus are trans
This is a whole new level of newfag.

>> No.10534094

>>10534065
Zentreya is a female character.
We don't know the gender of the person behind the character (although it's 99% a dude).

>> No.10534108

>zens obsessed with friends
>people stop collabing with her due to multiple reasons
>she copes by making gecko zen
>starts developing a diddirent personality for it
>sees gecko zen as a friend
>makes more gecko zens
>play with multiple gecko zens on stream
>each one a separate personality
>more and more and more gecko zens
>has breakdown
>refers to herself in the plural

>> No.10534121

>>10534065
rrat:
The couple theory is true and this entire thing is about them having a huge fight and splitting up.

>> No.10534127

oops i forgot the header lol. anyway new thread
>>10534105
>>10534105
>>10534105

>> No.10534141

>>10534108
I'm adopting this rrat, it's too good to be false

>> No.10534146

>>10534083
>Zentreya is a female dragon drummer. Whoever plays the character is of no concern
WHIM DID NOTHING WRONG

>> No.10534167

>>10534121
How does the couple theory even make sense? Zen "acts feminine"? Nora Cat literally teaches people how to look cute as a vtuber and is sexy as fuck, and he looks like a more asian ProZD irl.

>> No.10534170
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10534170

>>10533694
okay here's my completely incomprehensible rrat that builds on another rrat that birthed another rrat that is utterly retarded
>zentreya is a couple
>zen(male) treya(female)
>froot and zen got too close with night after night of hard ape(se)x
>froot felt bad and cut it off
>froot continues to feel bad and has gone quiet while zen continues like nothing happened
>zen has subsequently been found by treya
>the breakdown is because they're now having to go through a breakup despite having just moved to a new apartment
>she wants to keep the dog or some shit
>the vtuber model is a minefield of ownership because technically they both have been zentreya

>> No.10534181

>>10534127
Clever man

>> No.10534223

>>10534170
Keep your freaky inbred rrat to yourself

>> No.10534272

>>10534108
This is false. Zen was a bunch of geckos manipulating a humanoid avatar from the very beginning. The gecko models were an attempt to let the individual geckos playing her express their individuality.
Some of them didn't like how they were depicted though and now the geckos are fighting each other.

>> No.10534311

>>10534065
>>10534094
Zen is a tranny

>> No.10534358

>>10534311
everyone that says zen is a tranny is a tranny

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