/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>10396911
>They got ky0resu
>shana
>Miya
>I'm a filthy liar and I suck cock

We'll find out in November.

Imagine if shachi is in there

>>10396911
Why does everybody keep predicting ky0resu for these? She can barely speak English and she sounds horrible while attempting it. Come on now. I said the same thing when everybody was predicting her for Baelz too. It doesn't make sense.

>>10396911
Lyrica is part of the SEA inner circle along with all the indog indies, maha5, and Holo/NijiID. Its more likely that she got scouted and pre-approved for HoloID 3 than NijiEN. They announced ID 3 auditions like right as she graduated, plus she was already super close with HoloID.

>>10398077
She doesn't know any Indo though.

>>10396911
Who even knows what is happening with Miya...

>>10398077
Lyrica isn't indog though.

She had people in niji so it likely was an easy way to get in.

How they gonna get for wave 4 with all this talent though...

>>10398077
she isnt indo and doesnt have plans to join holo id
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC8DJH_i8s0

>>10398403
HoloID is now HoloSEA. There's still a single MyHoloTV talent alive and kicking.

>wave 3 has all the actual talented people

>>10396911
Man i really hope their model had cute face

>>10396911
Who is gonna be the new FOTM that is gonna get spammed everywhere 24/7 ?

>>10397478
Cheeky post..

>>10398719
The fox because of her singing voice. Prepare for falseflag posts everyone praising her singing while shitting on IRyS, Gura, etc. It's going to be fucking terrible.

>>10396911
I will grudge post this when Selen is still the most popular member after wave 3 & 4’s eventual debut.

>>10396911
The rrats are coming
>lyrica
>kani
>shana
>miya
2 cute and funny, 2 dommy

>>10398632
Hololive should just buy out MyHoloTV so they can aquire Lili. Lili is an incredible talent that is stuck in one of the most disorganized companies I've seen in vtubing.

>A bunch of literal whos

>>10398978
This

Not trashing any of the talent but you can't say Nijisanji is hiring all of these big names when they average like 2 views. What are they going to do? Bring their audience of 30 viewers over with them? Your identity gets changed anyway so unless you were as virally huge as Gura was in her past life who you were doesn't really matter all that much.

>>10398962
Lili is one of their directors. Saying that her company is disorganized would make her sad.

>>10398077
You guys said the same thing with Mint and Nova.

So many ESLs. Having more Rosemi is very exciting.

>>10398962
Cut them a check and acquire all the rights to Lili's character and put her in HoloID. That would be a pretty based move and would let Lili continue being Lili.

Can someone link the avril lavigne rrat

>>10398077
Lyrica literally said on her graduation announcement stream that she isn't joining Hololive.

>>10399341
Dumb decision then. The fact that the question was even asked means that is what her fans want her to do.

The general opinion in nijen threads is that Lyrica, Shannon, and MarieFD are in. Some people think Hana Flores is in, but a lot of people also think she graduated too early. I've never seen anything to indicate any of these other girls are in, and I'm pretty sure Miya said she wasn't reincarnating.

>>10398403
>>10398470
There's literally no difference between Indonesia and Philippines and she is actually best friends with HoloID so it makes sense she'll join gen 3 than anything else.

>>10399384
That's what every vtuber fan asks when they announce graduation.

>>10399479
If she was graduating to join HoloID, she wouldn't have had collabs with HoloID right before her graduation.

>>10399437
Yes, it is all speculation. Chances are they could pick up a literal who like they did with Petra.

>>10396911
who is miya? i thought you meant maia for a second there

>>10396911
I have been hearing this with all waves, and at the end they are nothing special.

Nijisanji needs to stop hiring indie chuubas and think outside the box concerning talent like Hololive did if they want to grow. That is my opinion on the matter. Playing it safe with the first audition run makes sense but if they want to grow its time to take risks. Going with an non-traditional choice could net them their own Gura or Mori.

>>10399659
I think it's very possible the forth member is a some rando that was impossible to predict.

>>10399437
Vtubers say plenty of times there not coming back but do anywhy.

ky0resu mysterious disappeared off the face of the earth so she probably made in.

>>10398850
based

>>10399729
It has literally nothing to do with talent. NijiEN is growing as it is. The reason HoloEN was an explosive success where as NijiEN wasn't is because the pump was already primed for HoloEN. They had hundreds of thousands of western fans just waiting an beginning for them to drop, enough to send their content immediately viral. Where as NijiEN didn't even have a third of that. They have to work their way up from nothing comparatively.

>>10398978
Your oshi was a literal who once. They always had the talent but not the megaphone to showcase them.

>>10399898
>It has nothing to do with talent
>They are basically talent agencies
Really? You really think its all just the brand name and nothing else? It has nothing to do with Mori pumping out massive hit after massive hit when it comes to music? Gura is still getting massive amounts of viewers just based on the brand and not her natural streaming talent cultivated by a lifetime on the internet? Kronii was the runaway success of Gen 2 just based on the brand and not her work as a voice actress? All three of these were non-traditional hires outside the vtubing space (yeah, I know Gura did some vtubing but that was not her main content and came really late). I never said NijiEN was doing bad but if they want to grow they are going to need to take a risk on a non-traditional hire. Somebody like Mori that just pumps out song after song for them would be huge.

>>10400204
Yeah I think the vast majority of their success is to do with branding and marketing and timing over any kind of exceptional level of talent. Don't get me wrong I am not saying they are awful at what they do but there are lots of far more talented individuals out there that will never hope to reach the same levels of success.

>>10399437
Anon, this is a falseflagger post, let them throw shit like chimps since true nijibros truly know who the potential members are after lots of discussion. You're right and have the right to tell anyone else they're retarded without having to explain yourself

>>10400204
Like Mori would she ever have gotten as big as she is without the Hololive brand? Probably not. Gura is she entertaining enough to maintain and not lose a large audience certainly but would she ever have cultivated that same audience size on her own? Almost certainly never.

>>10400303
It's probably both hololive give the girl's a chance to show their stuff and that why they are popular cause they do all the shit like mori being an rapper and kronii voice acting it goes both ways. That one of the main reason people join an agency. The same can be said about Nijisanji En and Selen she with from small twitch streamer to averageing around 2k per stream cause Nijisanji give her an chance to show off her talents.

>>10400303
>>10400458
The brand is obviously a part of it or else there would be no reason to ever sign on to an organization over just staying Indie. The brand brought the audience but the diverse talents are what keep them around. Gura isn't still getting massive views over a year after debut based on just the brand anymore, they stayed for Gura herself. Same with Mori and her music. People checked out RIP based on the brand but her songs are still getting millions of views over a year later because people like her music.

>>10399479
Can she speak indog? At least you need to be able to speak indo first, like what the point of joining indo if you end up speaking English anyway

>>10399729
Hiring litterally who from street on Japan is different with hiring a literally who from west street, they can be ticking bomb if anything else

>>10399898
This copy pasta again. If the talents were shit, then HoloEN would be pulling ID numbers. HoloID2 debut had the same amount of audience as HoloMyth, and look at where they are right now. Myth has a very stacked portfolio in regards of talents, connections and renown.

>>10400623
who cares all the SEA languages are the same anyways. All that matters is she speaks english and she's important to Hololive.

>>10400613
Selen wasn't averaging 2k per stream her highest average viewers barely broke 100 and was less than 20 most of her streaming career.

>>10400615
The brand is the main part of it. Both of them would have tiny audiences compared to what they have now without it.

>>10400204
NijiEN's decision to hire conventional streamers left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm sure they are great entertainers but that's all they are; entertainers. The only apparent exception to this is Petra, who was an utaite primarily instead of a full vtuber in her past life.

>>10400204
Yeah, no, holoEN start is basically meme and meme like how Kiara peko Monaa and gura A and shrimp thing, plus alot of clip, so they get a super easy start, just this year they need to work for it tho

>>10400821
Petra is the third best singer in the group. Elira is the best and the Pomu second.

>>10400821
It's probably going to leave an even worse taste in your mouth that a good chunk of HoloJP were subpar NND streamers instead of super special paragons of talent like people love to say Myth is.
Also, "utaite" is such an arbitrary label. Pomu and Elira did a decent amount of karaoke and singing practice in their PL, but they wouldn't consider themselves to be utaite.

>>10399708
The one in the catalog graduating now.

Add me to the JP translation video tribalfag

>>10400821
Take a listen through some of Elira's singing you might be surprised. She kind of is similair to Mori a bit in that people appreciate how dorky she is normally but then she turns into some kind of cool performer when she sings.
karaoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SImuimoDvW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BI0mKxWbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN1GA8qSYuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THPWkd8yBFo
Original song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XxnseNbWVA

>>10401249
Alright. That's a sub.

>>10401326
She has a karoke on her schedule this week too and is asking for vocaloid or anison requests on twitter
https://twitter.com/EliraPendora/status/1441993340657053696

>>10400204
NijiEN wave 3 is going to be the singer gen, so hopefully at least one of them will put out a lot of covers and original songs.

>>10397432
>November
October*
NijiEN3 is Halloween themed
>>10398719
Obviously the witch, just because of her design and nothing else. You know how cunny posters are

>>10401626
If Lyrica, Shannon, and Marie are in they most definitely will

>>10401581
Gotcha. I already watch Petra often and Pomu very sparingly.

>>10396911 I'm more excited for wave 4. There's still no speculation about that one. I'll just lowering my expectations for wave 3 (I've learned my lesson with HoloEN gen 2).... A wave full of singers? That's too good to be true

>>10401949
wave 1 nijien predictions were spot on and wave 2 nijien predictions were 2/3.
wave 3 lyrica and shannon are almost certain, they have very strong links to existing vtubers within the branch and graduated simultaneously.

>>10401652
I hope they don't rush 'em out the door before they're properly primed and ready. The holiday thematics are less important than a good first impression. A fag in another thread didn't even realize Reine became the only good ID just because her first impression was so bad.

Niji EN usually has a good track record with this sort of thing, but there have been times in the past when Niji slipped up massively. IIRC they royally screwed over one of their male chubas and crippled his growth because they out his debut over proper planning and preparation. If gen3 can make the holiday deadline then fantastic. If not, it's better to be late and fully prepped than early and half cocked.

>>10400204
The sad fact is, it really is about branding. Nothing else matters if your brand becomes a religion unto itself. Nijisanji's better about this as they don't have the pretense of being a cult, and their chubas do wind up having to carry their weight to a certain degree. But even the nijisanji brand guarantees a sizeable amount of publicity, at least before they debut the next 90 of them.

That's not to say they shouldn't take chances, but keep in mind that a chuba trying to be a less marketable version of a more popular chuba is just competing for a market that's already been locked down. This is why added value is important. A chuba who sings is just a chuba who sings, but a chuba who sings, cooks, builds gunpla, and knows how to nifty yoyo tricks is a better Charlotte. That's the real goal, to be better than competitors and offer something more than just what's already available.

First and foremost, a chuba oughta strive to be more than just a one trick/niche pony if that niche has already been covered, regardless of whether or not they get into a company. Personal growth is personal growth, after all.

>>10402052
What about Miya kimino? Her graduation timing is sus and she's suddenly posted here (to build hype? Idk).... without any prior general thread.

>>10402150
That second paragraph I feel like NijiEN have been doing a pretty good job of that for people that actually try it and that is why they are gaining audience.

I feel like they have made it their branch motto try to do as least as much as HoloEN if not more in every area possible. They launch with original songs when it has taken some members in HoloEN years to get theirs, all their streamers are there six days a week every week, hungry to work and grab at success. where as some HoloEN struggle with 3 days a week, the members of NijiEN are all constantly in and out of each others streams in the chat and come across like real friends in collabs and HoloEN still seems kind of stilted. They all do superchat reading unlike other branches of Nijisanji.

>>10402364
Didn't she say she has no plans of reincarnating? I doubt she'd join Niji.

>>10402364
Yep, there is obviously somebody from NijiEN shilling here. Same thing happened when Miki graduated. As if the non-stop shilling for Pomu/Rosemi/Selen wasn't obvious enough.

If you are reading this NijiEN shill, fuck off. Go shill somewhere else. I don't know why this is the audience you want anyway.

>>10402364
A lot of people probably used to watch Miya before falling off and watching hololive and other shit. They came back because they knew she was retiring.

Nothing to do with where she might go next. But Miya has been open to say she wants to try something else after three years of Hanjo...

>>10401094
Yeah. Who cares if all they are is streamers. Some of the best Holos were and are just that.

>>10402430
>the members of NijiEN are all constantly in and out of each others streams in the chat and come across like real friends in collabs and HoloEN still seems kind of stilted.
HoloEN's actually copying that now. Which is good because it means that they actually view them as viable competition, and learning from the other side helps spur growth and improvement.

>>10402530
ironic that they are doing that. Most holofans wouldn't admit it.

>>10402530
now that they got chemistry on stream, NijiEN will lose the only edge they ever had on holoEN, they will be forever behind holoEN numbers and chemistry now

>>10402530
>>10402627
What do you guys even mean? Have you not watched HoloEN? They've done the friends thing ever since debut. Saying them copying NijiEN's relationships is wrong, like literally, they've spammed a lot of collabs between each other and all of them are good.

>>10402627
here comes the denials

who whomst whose and literally who?

>>10402776
Pretending like you are friends is one thing. Actually being convincing is another, which Nijisanji has absolutely slaughtered them in by hiring streamers that actually were friends for years before they ever joined the company. If you want that happy family feeling that Hololive is renowned for in the west then right now NijisanjiEN is unironically the best place to get it.

damn they gonna cannibalize the tiny fanbase they ever had with the upcoming wave
I guess gotta be ready with another sub 1k nijiEN special

>>10402776
From their debut up until NijiEN, HoloEN only did impromptu collabs or joining each other's stream on a whim like 2-3 times. In 9 months.

>>10400821
Yeah and she's the worst of the group, your point?

>>10403023
>They have to do impromptu collabs to be considered close because I SAID SO.
Conveniently leaving out the fact that instead of having everyone in similar timezones, Myth was 2 JPs 3 NAs and now 1 JP 1 EU 3 NAs. Not to mention Ina as one of the NA has been and is still juggling with side jobs.
Next you are going to say that all the offcollabs and the homiemoon that Mori and Kiara did together was business and not qualified as
"real friends" like NijiEN.

>>10402958
>happy family feeling
HoloEN 3D anniversary wasn't that long, anon. Could niji replicate that?

>>10403023
>impromptu collabs
Why are you guys bringing this up as if it's the best/defining thing that makes a group successful, and where the hell did you pull those numbers from

>>10401949
Pomu confirmed that wave 4 will be NijiEN males

>>10403023
Which is good. Moderation is key. I can't watch a single NijiEN solo stream without some other member coming in and ruining the mood.

>>10402627
Well expect Holofags to be silent about "muh chemistry" from now on.

>>10403278
Based on what? Numbers? If you want to numberfag go watch Pekora.

>>10403422
My point went over your head I guess.
From debut up until NijiEN, HoloEN rarely interacted with each other publicly outside of their streams. After NijiEN debuted, now they are suddenly doing it more often. I'm not saying that they weren't good friends behind the scenes, just pointing out that their public interactions changed after NijiEN debuted.

>>10403587
Nah I'm sure that the increased numbers of "interacting with each other publicly on stream" is 100% because they want to copy NijiEN and not because of the increased Minecraft streams due to the creation of the portals connecting the JP and EN server + the welcoming of Council + IRyS.
No, they don't just jump on discord in the middle of a solo stream with nothing to do with the content so that you niggers can take that as yours "MY chuubas are so much closer than those fake bitches"

>>10403587
Anon, Mori and Kiara literally lived in Japan, there had been times where they say they've interacted each other and to other HoloJP members offline. Ame and Gura knew and was friend with each other before debut. Suddenly saying they've been doing it more often is false, when they've been doing it ever since debut. I've followed them on Twitter. Man, you really are stupid, are you referencing everything just from clips and twitter alone?

>>10402530
Hololive isnt copying anything, Yagoo said that the main requirement behind their auditions is to look for chemistry behind the talents and you have never seen a better group of genuine friends in between Holo JP gen 5, HoloMyth, HoloCouncil and HoloID Gen 2 which means that their talent scouting actually did their jobs.

>>10403769
>>10403800
>expecting nijibro to know and understand all that

>>10398470
>>10396911
Miya is retiring for good. Her channel is going nowhere, her content is kinda stale and she doesn't have the charisma to hold livestreams.

>>10403803
>HoloMyth
>HoloCouncil
>genuine friends
kek Kiara didn't talk to Gura until months after the debut

>>10397478
I would kneel

Damn all this talk about NijiEN chemistry makes me remember all the trash that hawks fans used to spew around 5-6 years ago before Lebron swept their ass in the ECF kek. Let's be real here for a sec. None of the NijiEN's are anything special. Even Selen isn't really anything to write home about. There's a reason why most of them were a bunch of 2views prior. In fact, this applies to most of HoloEN too, except for Cali and Gura, the shark more so. Their chemistry shtick is aight but at the end of the day, one music video from Cali would eclipse all of NijiEn in views combined. One meme clip from Gura will get more traction over anything NijiEN does. In the end Gura is blue Lebron and the EN scene is the LEastern Conference.

>>10405262
Are you lost? Here you go >>>/sp/

>>10405262
>There's a reason why most of them were a bunch of 2views prior
Yeah, they start from nothing but brand name that already overshadow by hololive, how shocking that they slow at inclining themeself

>>10405262
The chemistry shit is just people noticing nijiEN are allowed to interact with each other like normal people. HoloEN are trapped in their idol cages by management. None of the girls are special and nor is the chemistry.

>>10405348
Hey, despite being a BBall fan, I like chuubas too y'know. So sue me. Surprisingly enough, there actually is a bunch of anons from /sp/ (and even /pw/ though that makes more sense) who like chuubas. Hence why you'd see the occasional Holo OP in one of the generals and there was a bit of Marine posting when Tampa won.

>>10405373
This sounds like a cope to me bruh. Even the retards from /#/ already pointed out that NijiEn's growth was slowing down if not becoming static. And those nerds use actual graphs and shit.

>>10405262
Chemistry is just nijienfags coping mechanism, for once Selen is above some council member and they talk numbers for the rest of the day, yet when confronted with number they shy away whilst inhaling chemistry copium

I'm not convinced their english branch is growing fast enough or currently possesses a big enough install base to support ten streamers. I know this is niji's "model" but I'm not sure it's the appropriate action to take when you don't have the overall viewership to back it up. You just cannibalize views from each other, especially with overlap, and the more people they add the less you're getting whatever "comfy" vibe that existed which I see a lot of people try and sell outsiders on with.

"They're all just friends who hang out in each others streams bro, it's chill and totally organic!" Does that really work if you're talking about a group of 20+ people in the future?

>>10406566
Are you new to this board or something? Tribalfag love to stir up the fanbase with anything they can find, tomorrow we Will find like 3-4 niji bait thread again like always

>>10406880
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see if they manage to grow the branch instead of just cannibalizing viewers from each other.

>>10399479
>There's literally no difference between Indonesia and Philippines
there is you retard, indog arent as obnoxious as flip

>>10406880
I Mean, being nice to each other ≠ being friend, like how nijisanjiJP liver have their own friend group of like 3-7 people, they allow to be friends if they feel want to,
I hope they don't release more after like second male wave so they can build their fanbase first, 3 full female wave with 2 full male wave is enough for next year

>>10396911
Dude, firstly, you listed 5 members, not 4, and even though there is a possibility of having 5 members, it's not really probable.
Secondly,
>They got ky0resu
>shana
>Miya
Any solid proofs?
We already have a good prediction of 4 amazing members, namely Hana, Lyrica, Shannon and Marie, who are as good as your unproven ones.

>>10396911
I wonder which one of them will be Shachi this time.

>>10407173
Isn't that Mumei? or are you a coping owlfag too?

>>10407173
The loli model is clearly going to be shachi, they'd be dumb not to do it

>>10407187
If she's Mumei she's doing a really good job of pretending to be a newbie streamer with a shit pc and mic

>>10407187
they have different mental illnesses so I'm inclined to believe otherwise, but who cares I only care about looking for shachi in every EN gen. In hindsight, she should have been Petra so she could truly be the gura killer.

Once wave 3 drops, I am leaving this board.
The Niji thread is barley usable as is after wave 2 and I don't want to know how bad they will get with 3 and the male wave

>>10407291
If the holobronies can survive council, you can survive wave 3.

>>10405262
Based and sportspilled
Let the Nijienfags have their trash talking fun, they’re annoying but harmless.

>>10400204
>They are basically talent agencies
Bruh, "talent" is basically just a name, Holo gives to their vtubers. In reality they are just entertainers.
>Mori pumping out massive hit after massive hit when it comes to music
It's hit, because of Holo, not because it's good. You can't prove otherwise. I can - she was basically Literal Who before Holo.
>Gura... natural streaming talent cultivated by a lifetime on the internet
Before holo, she streamed on twitch only for a brief period of time and she was only a 2 viewer tier as a streamer.
>Kronii was the runaway success of Gen 2
I don't know what you call a success? She didn't beat any HoloMyth on the start. She is just the best in her get. Nothing special in her.
>if they want to grow they are going to need to take a risk on a non-traditional hire
It's exactly opposite - HoloEN shows steady recline and already started to copy NijiEN, so Niji should avoid their methods as much as possible.

>>10407291
This >>10407308
>Nigger, NTR, Tranny, HER, OllieEN
Holobronies literally survived /vt/holocaust so I doubt NijiEN3 can get any worse. Then again, its /vt/ we're talking about

>>10400734
>If the talents were shit, then HoloEN would be pulling ID numbers
Believing that people not watching ID for some other reason than them being a fucking SEAs... quite delusional.

>>10407573
If you ever wanted to know what the legendary NijiCOPE looked like

>>10407573
oh it's you, the holo EN recliner dude, what are you doing out of /#/ ?
none bit your bait there? I'll give (you) for your effort doing this outside number thread

>>10407573
The amount of cope and seethe you're huffing can't be safe for any man to have, and that's saying it as a NijiENjoyer

>>10402052
Also there is a good thing that Niji gives us a hint, by reviling their voices in a teaser video. That helps a lot in guessing before their debut.

>>10407717
When holobronies can't see the fact, they go with their ultimate copypaste
>Nijicope

>>10400204
>Mori pumping out massive hit after massive hit
buh her songs aren't that famous. If Ayame of all people can get a 10M in 4 months song then Mori's numbers are not that impressive and that with her having the benefit of being the only rapper in Hololive

>>10407816
Kronii did beat myth SC debut and you posted Kronii not beating myth at the start? Ofc you don't know anything nijinigger

>>10407816
Nijiniggers and bad English, name a more iconic duo

>>10407056
>4 amazing members
They really aren't that good stop putting them on a pedestal just because you think they are in. Lyrica for instance couldn't even make it as an indie despite being shilled hard by holoID.

>>10407847
Yes, but none of Ayame song get 20M+
also trying to pit holo against other holo rather than their competitors is nijienfags behavior

>>10407861
/vt/ and falseflaggers

>>10407979
I honestly think the chemistry thing and copying impromptu collabs by HoloEN is actually done by real niji fans...

None of the shitflingers above actually post in /hlgg/ or /nijien/, nor do they watch any of their streams.

>>10407573
I will be saving this, do you want it named "nijicope" or "nijiseethe"?

>>10407917
let's look at her recent releases: 2.2M, 1.7M, 2.1M, 7.4M, 7.8M, 3.4M. None broke the 10M mark.
Not that impressive and she can only gets these numbers because she's the only rapper in Hololive

>>10407917
>trying to pit holo against other holo rather than their competitors is nijienfags behavior
Not hard to see why, their main competition is HoloID before they can even think about comparing themselves to EN.

>>10407885
Well, the fact that each of them is way more talented than the entire holoen, is enough for me to know that they are amazing.

>>10407885
Having a PH tag is much a bigger debuff than ID one in this weeb industry. Just compare JKT 48 and MNL 48 and you'll understand
That being said, I really wish she really is coming to Niji EN. She already made a promise with my oshi to come at her birthday next year....

>>10407752
Good thing you mentioned /#/.
Go there yourself and look at the table of monthly median viewers for holoen. You'll be quite surprised.

>>10408086
You might as well add in the millions from the topics or you don't want to count them? Did you forget most of Mori's songs are originals?

Who who who who who??

>>10407857
No one cares about her first sc stream that all holobronies were saving for the entire year. You'd better look at her subs growth and live viewers.

>>10408174
Boy I want to see lyrica cum on stream too

>>10408118
Well then hopefully they can pull superior numbers since they are better. I mean NijiEN is 0-2 right now against hololive. Surely this time things will work out for them right? :^)

>>10408191
They're looking good, nijiEN on the other hand.. need some saving

>>10408272
>No one cares about her first sc stream
Do you hear that? That's the sound of desperation

>>10408272
>No one cares
Nice nijicope

>>10408226
what are you talking about?
As I said she has a massive buff from being the only rapper in Hololive but her numbers aren't that impressive compares to other holos. Just hire any wingger on the market and you would still get the same result.

>>10408272
>n-no one cares because i said so!!

>>10407573
>Before holo Gura was a 2view
lurk. more.

>a good thread for discussion nijiEN wave 3 ruin by holobronies
What a suprise

>>10408297
>pull superior numbers
Anons! I just caught a nice, juicy holobrony! As we all can see, he, as all other specimen of his kind, instantly starts taking about numbers when gets challenged about talent, conveniently neglecting the fact that NijiEN started from nothing, while HoloEN had a massive boost of normies, coming right from the yt algorithm.

>>10408361
wait who do you compare this rapper with? compare rapper with rapper nigga

>>10406880
>Does that really work if you're talking about a group of 20+ people in the future?
Well, ID does it just fine.

>>10408394
nice try nijinigger, you always ruin your own thread by coping so hard

>>10408394
>everyone I don't like is a holobrony
Why are vwhorejofags like this

>>10408402
NijiEN had an even more massive boost because of HoloEN, retard. NijiEN wouldn't even exist if not for HoloEN.

>>10408375
Schrödinger's 2 view please understand.

>>10408308
>They're looking good
>nijiEN on the other hand
Not according to their growth.

>>10408394
Aww did we crash your little pity circlejerk party?

>>10408444
Stfu nigger, go shit on you own thread or something

>>10408402
>NijiEN started from nothing
those ad campaign, song buffed by mafumafu, Nijisanji tag.. turns out they need more boost to be able to even share table with holos

>>10408470
You should kys actually

>>1040819
Hold on let me copy paste it because I know most of the retards here don't have the brainpower to go to a different thread

HoloEN 9/1 - 9/25 (JST) / August (difference)

>Gura 25,430 / 17,882 (+7,548)
>Ina 10,817 / 11,984 (-1,168)
>Mumei 10,586 / 23,430 (-12,844)
>Kronii 10,123 / 33,167 (-23,044)
>Fauna 9,836 / 19,249 (-9,414)
>Mori 9,084 / 7,283 (+1,801)
>IRyS 7,900 / 8,175 (-274)
>Kiara 7,757 / 6,228 (+1,529)
>Amelia 6,503 / 8,813 (-2,310)
>Baelz 6,101 / 16,914 (-10,813)
>Sana 5,524 / 9,848 (-4,324)

good numbers from HoloEN this month. HoloMyth inclining even Kiara, Gura competing with Kuzuhas median view, stable numbers from IRyS, good post-debut numbers from HoloCouncil, three are in 9k - 11k range.

List of holobronies, who are happy about first sc stream, but will be laughed at when HoloEN will recline into nothing:
>>10408310
>>10408326
>>10408364

>>10408496
Sorry anon it's not in fact possible to pity party a person to death across the Internet, nice try though

>>10396911
What's the point? They're still going to be <2k viewers.

>>10408523
This has to be a falseflag at this point, no self-respecting nijifag would cope this hard

>>10408523
"HoloEN will recline any day now" is like the nijinigger version of "the three gorges dam will break any day now"

>>10408492
Nothing in term of Exposure IMO, so yeah niji come with nothing but small overseas fanbase, well i still happy for them to make it this far tho, nijification can finally be done

>>10399479
She's also friends with a few NijiENs.
And if you're gonna join a group that has your friends, I'm pretty sure the one built around a language you know makes more sense.

>>10408375
>>10408450
>lurk. more.
Read. more.
Anon, you didn't read the post completely, you are embarrassing yourself.

>>10408548
>self-respecting
>nijifag
See there's your problem right there

>niji invented chemistry

>>10408531
Kys

>>10408604
Seethe

>>10408447
It's exactly the opposite. HoloEN is a bubble, preventing normies to discover NijiEN.

>>10408630
Kys

>>10408457
nah, they keep getting garbage numbers compared to holos, none of the nijien can break 10k CCV, even the other day finana get like 300 CCV that is some nijiKR number she got

>>10408503
>even boring ass Baelz can get 6k
the holo buff is pretty obvious

>>10408673
Just like Selen makes the apex buff obvious.

>>10408503
>Anniversary month
>Slight incline of 3/5 members
>Almost constant recline during ALL other months with a few exceptions during special months
Ogey...

>>10408673
>good numbers
Holo buff
>bad numbers
failure

>>10408704
>cope
>cope
>cope

>>10408503
number that nijiEN can only ponder upon but will never reach

>>10408718
Niji EN
>good numbers
Incline, Hololive is reclining
>bad numbers
My chemistry my talent good your numbers bad

>>10408704
Ah I love the smell of nijicope in the morning. Smells like victory

>>10408743
>number that holo can only ponder upon but will never reach
-Some illiterate Nijifag in 2019, probably

>>10408720
>Anniversary month
>cope
didn't happen? No, it happed => HoloCope 1/3
>Slight incline of 3/5 members
>cope
didn't happen? No, it happed => HoloCope 2/3
>Almost constant recline during ALL other months with a few exceptions during special months
>cope
didn't happen? No, it happed => HoloCope 3/3

>>10408793
ogey

NijiEN is growing in popularity but not a lot, they're not a failure but they won't get some kind of huge viral explosion or anything because the time for that has already passed. Wave 3 will be good for their growth, but again it won't land them any "Gura killer" or whatever, and that's alright. Also, HoloEN won't decline to the point where they're surpassed by NijiEN anytime in the near future. They've reached the critical point where they're too big to fail. Yes, there are people who are getting tired of Hololive and moving to Nijisanji and smaller companies. But there are way more people who are content to just stay in their Hololive bubble, and that won't change any time soon.

It's baffling that anyone can bitch and argue about this when the facts are so obvious and not worth arguing about. Just enjoy your fucking vtubers. I'm looking forward to how both companies grow in the future.

>>10408793
DOKTOR
TURN OFF MY COPE INHIBITORS

>>10408793
this is some rabid nijienfags right here

>>10408718
common even this board complains all the time about Baelz being boring.
You seriously think she's more entertaining than Selen or even Ollie from the holoID branch, and yet her numbers are better than theirs

>>10408559
Kek, God that takes me back when I'm not aware of this hell hole called vtubers

>>10408812
none is arguing anon, laughing to that one anon however

>>10408812
>Also, HoloEN won't decline to the point where they're surpassed by NijiEN anytime in the near future.
See you in Spring 2022, anon.

>>10408832
Yes, and the same board complains about Selen being cringe reddit which is true

>>10408818
Yep, holocope is spilling over the top.

>>10408824
nice argument, holobrony. now gtfo please

>>10408832
Rigger this board complaints if Kiara mentions herself in a tweet, it's not a judge of anything

>>10396911
Have absolutely zero interest unless the rrats aren't true and we don't have to wait until wave 4 to finally get the male niji ens, tired of them trying to pander to the waifu CUTE GIRLS niggers.

>>10408887
Looks like you're the one who does that then, just admit it.

>>10408868
>>10408889
>>10408903
And here comes the gypsy fortune telling

>>10408832
>actually believing this board is major representative to anything

>>10408832
>this board complains
Do you really believe anything uttered on this board matters?

I love this board. You guys are so fucking retarded.

So funny seeing all the holobronies seething like there's no tomorrow, just because Niji get's such a strong wave. Enjoy your lame holomyth and council, suckers!

>>10408812
Say that to holobronies how ruin any niji discussion thread, we can't even talk about anything with out this Parasite shitting on it

>>10408887
>>10408907
lots of the complains weren't bait though, I've seen plenty people saying she doesn't fit her character.
anyway, answer this
>You seriously think she's more entertaining than Selen or even Ollie from the holoID branch?

>>10408793
>it happed
You learning English? No it didn't happed.

>>10408958
You're the same retard who shits on NijiEN all the time. Do you ever get tired of playing different people?

>>10408908
I thin ok because they all Will start with song, the male gonna get their own group song also, all i need ia for the song to be catchy, maybe like into reality from nijiID, man i really hope nijiEN make VtL already i really Obses with that song

>>10408963
Nijifags and holofags always shit on every thread , don't pretend like you guys any better

>>10408982
Yes. Selen is overrated shit.

>>10408982
>You seriously think she's more entertaining than Selen or even Ollie from the holoID branch?
I personally get filtered by Ollie humor and Selen laugh meanwhile i don't feel anything abut rrat so as it happened yes rrat is more entertaining than ollie and selen by process of elimination.

>>10408548
no self-respecting holofag or nijifag would compare their chuubas against other chuubas with strangers over the internet

>>10409015
Not talking about nijifag or holofag, but yes, nijinigger and holobronies the one that always hardcore with this shit need to rope themeself

>>10409000
Learning English grammar is an ESL's obligation. I can speak however I wish to.

>>10408958
Ricardo what would your mom say about your mental illness?

>>10408908
I don't think they're pandering to the NOMALES fags. They're just picking up every worthwhile EN indie they can, and the lack of males is only a result of there being next to no notable EN indie males.
If they were pandering, Elira wouldn't have said that Fuwa is her oshi, Pomu wouldn't have lost it when Belmond appeared in chat, they wouldn't be interacting with Oliver, etc.

>>10408938
b-but /vt/ said all the livers were here...

>>10408982
Yes, Selen is garbage who spams that annoying laugh.

>>10409067
>livers
omg it's actually a nijifag that shitting up this thread

>just enjoy

>>10396911
Another DOA 2k shitters

Jesus, this thread...
That's a clear example of what happens when a normal discussion thread gets polluted by retarded holomorons. They're like a disease of vtuber world.

wow I didn't know that Baelz is better than every single Niji, every single indie.
I wonder why there's another thread out there complaining about Cover's horrible pick for Council when EN2 girls are clearly the most talented EN vtubers out there (excluding Myth of course).
If Baelz is that entertaining, she must have been very successful in her past life since the holo buff isn't real.
Oh wait...

>>10409258
tribal nijiniggers you mean, they are the disease of vtubers from the time of 4 kings.

>Holo are shitting the thread
>>10402530

>>10409308
wow someone made a bait thread, it must be true

>>10409318
Anon, look at this thread as an example.
Everything went pretty nice and calm here... until some holobrony decided to shit on Niji, and everything went to shit from there.
Yes, tribal nijiniggers are a problem too, but majority of shit in this board starts from tribal holobronies.

>>10409343
wow everything complaining from holofans is bait because, of course, holomems are all perfect. There's nothing to complain about

>>10409389
it's all the work of nijinigger, you should know better by now

>>10409320
Anon, taking a post from the middle of shit-throwing thread is not good. If you want to know who started it - that was this holoretard:
>>10399729

>>10409378
What the fuck are you on? it went to shit because of the usual complain about Niji safe picks which in case you don't know is an opinion that unityfags hold, not holo or niji tribalfags.

>>10409477
>>10409456
so was it holo or unity?

>>10409389
You would actually have a point if this place doesn't regularly have meltdowns over Anya calling her fanbase virgins, now stop trying to use what this board says as a talking point, you're just embarrassing yourself

>>10409389
That's because Holos generate the most discussion since they're the ones with the most interesting happenings. Nijis are boring and nobody wants to discuss laugh track #4232 or sex joke #3211 again.

>>10409477
>complain about Niji safe picks
in reality
>saying that niji chuubas are shit, and nothing, compared to Gura and Mori.

>>10409510
>Nijifags can't take criticism and blame Holofags
Nijifags are just as bad as Holofags

>>10396911
another "great" gen inc.
gl niji bros

>>10409456
>completely inoffensive comment that doesn't trash either side
>holoretard
You are another paranoid Nijinigger

>>10409510
Well that's is true no? by popularity, number, sponsorship, but of course not chemistry, no that would be illegal for holos to have

Can't wait for nijimales. The shitposting would be legendary.

>>10409557
Looks like you are the write of that post... or just delusional.

>>10409510
Will it make it better if they instead say it their own Mito or Kenmochi? because that's what they usually use as sign of success
>>10409501
Definitely unityfags, they're the who thinks niji should get lolis and males for their EN branch, difference is unityfags who comes from holo thread they should get lolis like gura to succed while unityfags who comes from niji thread think they should get EN Yashiro, Fuwa or Kenmochi.

>>10409585
>no sseth vtuber
What's the point?

>>10409566
No one was talking about mah numbers at that point.

>>10409598

>>10409507
>>10409500
hm we definitely never have discussion threass about Council vs NijiEN. And of course even if these threads exist, holofans will never admit that a Niji is better than a Holo, right?
That never happened right?
>>/vt/thread/S9981994

The absolute state of Nijiniggers, when HoloID3 gets NijiEN numbers, you better prepare, shitposting will be even spicier!

>>10409593
>Will it make it better...
No, the better way would be just discussing the topic of this thread - Wave 3 candidates, and comparing them to current NijiEN waves. Mentioning other chuubas, especially with their subjective opinion, is completely wrong and disgusting.

>>10409730
>he remembers every bait thread
Not only a master of cope, but a master of seethe.

>>10409758
Lmao holoID already gets nijien numbers, that isn't as high a bar as you think it is

>>10407022
t. Malaysian uggo

>>10409730
>he has bait thread saved on his notepad

>>10409790
>everything that contradicts my opinion is bait

>>10409764
Then maybe you should go back to plebbit, discussion about future picks always involved the other agency, their respective ID and JP Branch, Indies Scene, and anons own subjective opinion on whats needed to succed in the west. This happens during Nji EN 1 and 2, EN Vsinger, and Holo Council.

>>10409794
Only 4 are getting that numbers, but this time, with the influx of newfags, they will be there for the debut

>>10409758
ID 3 will have horse vtuber right?

>>10409857
Anya is getting petra numbers
Iofi gets Rosemi numbers

>>10409850
Incorrect. All those tribalistic discussion's wouldn't even start, if only people who posted were ones who care about the thread's topic without any tribalistic intentions.
The problem is that it's impossible on a website full of trolls and retards.

>>10409966
goo goo gaa gaa does baby need his bot bot

>>10396911
>lyrica
Fuck off, I don't want any of the disgusting flip on Nijisanji. She's an actual unironic whore.

Watson would be better suited at Nijisanji En than she is now with Hololive En.

>>10396911
Wow, it's kind of impressive that there's just so many socially crippled retards in these threads talking about numbers and making competitions of menial shit. Holy fuck some of you people desperately need a job and a therapist.

Anyway, back on topic:
Shannon is basically confirmed now. It was found that she locked her Twitter account recently; which is abnormal for someone who only releases song covers for over a decade when they're suddenly 'going on Hiatus'.

If Shannon is in, it's pretty safe to assume Lyrica is in too, in my opinion. The two are completely inseparable.

So that leaves us with the shortlist of MarieFD, Miya, Hana Flores, and KyOresu. Obviously they could also pick someone we have no idea about.

Marie is interesting because, unlike Shannon, she's still actively talking to Niji members and translating Kanae tweets. She has an image to uphold as a Niji superfan and I wonder if she realises that going quiet would make it more suspicious. I'd be interested to see if she continues a double-life towards Niji if she gets in.

Hana Flores announced her graduation far earlier than the others, but still didn't completely graduate until August 24, which puts her snugly within the same week as Lyrica's accouncemen (August 21), and Marie and Shannon's graduations (August 25 and 27 respectively). There's also been rumors that everyone who applied for one of the Wave 3 characters got rejected outright and none have had their auditions seen, which created the rrat that Hana Flores may have been pre-poached and ready to go before auditions closed.

The Nijis have such a magical relationship, it feels extremely comforting and fun to watch them. I only hope wave 3 doesn't ruin the special dynamic they have.

>>10410193
Reason? She seem okay in hololive

>>10410391
Wait wait wait, you forgot the magic word.

>>10410393
He's probably thinking because the nijis tend to be "streamers" instead of talents, and watson is a streamer herself

>>10410391
I just hope no one is ignore, i feel kind of bad with the holo rat yesterday and don't want that happened to any niji liver

>>10396911
>make the other waves seem like childplay.
anon, literally anything would do that, even my mute and paraplegic grandma.

>>10396911
lmao just sachi right

>>10410391
>magical relationship
Stop with the hocus pocus, we use modern and enlightened terms such as chemistry nowadays.

>>10398077
>Lyrica
She is SEAnigger but not even close to IDfag

>>10396911
>kitsune
>witch
>vampire
>???
That’s my guess.

>>10410381
I don't know who any of these people are. More irrelevant indie hires for NijiEN. Sucks for them.

>>10402150
>The holiday thematics are less important than a good first impression
This is an oversimplification of 'first impressions'. First impressions doesn't end at debut nor is the talent solely responsible for that.

>>10415175
Sorry that you'll never make 10-30k+ a month because you're irrelevant in life. Must suck to be an irrelevant vtuber having fans, making tons of money and enjoying life.

>>10414545
Do your reps faggot.

>>10396911
who the fuck are those twitter trannies

>>10407022
t. Pinoy

imagine being a inferior SEAnigger lmao

>>10399729
>its time to take risks.
Wave 4 is literally that. EN Male vtubers are a risk that no other ENVtuber company is willing to take. If Niji is successful, the entire scene will change.
Mind you no male has to be Kazuha levels of successful. One male being able to do this full time would be enough to shift the meta.

>>10401157
That's still around?

>>10415561
>Males
fucking gross

>>10414545
> Not close with ID
> Has numerous collabs with ID chuubas especially Mooner
> Has a collab with Holo ID for her graduation tour
Watch her VODs anon or at very least, clips

>>10415561
Niji En itself is a literal risk, just like Niji IN was.

>>10415561
yikes so this how will they save NijiEN by Fujobait

>>10415561
ah manjisanji

>>10399729
Actually, NijiEN hiring indie chuubas is thinking outside the box. If you look at HoloMyth choices: Gura was popular enough in the normie circles to have a collab with an actual porn star. Ina was a well known artist. Kiara was a multilingual former indie idol and semi popular NND streamer, Mori while being an indie JP rapper has actual music making and production experience (plus she lives in Japan, which is a plus). Ame was really the only one who was an actual indie 2view streamer who was a risky choice (if you don't want to belive the rrat that Gura was the actual reason as why she got in). Outside of Ame, they were all safe choices, but they sacrificed overall synergy of the group and still cant even bant after a year without people's feels getting hurt. NijiEN picking indies who were in the same circle is pretty novel in that they are all really talented and can even elevate it when they are all together. The one who doesn't really fit the NijiEN mold is Petra and she is the one who is still struggling with getting a stable audience. We'll see how this all works moving forward with Waves 3 (a seemingly HoloMyth type group) and 4 (the male group), but HoloEN's talent pool and viewership is starting to dry up and NijiEN is taking full advantage of this weakness

>>10415687
HoloID (especially ID 1) literally collabs with everyone (but HoloEN it seems). You could be a 1 view and I am sure Ollie or Iofi will do a collab with you. Plus when Lyrica announced her graduation, ID started to really ramp up their interactions with NijiEN by alot.

>>10415978
Bruh, NijiEN's supposed "star" Selen can't even be considered a mid tier holo... Think about that for a sec. NijiEN's supposed all star player would be g-league tier. a 10-day that get's cut after their contract is up. Fuck outta here with "viewership drying up". No matter how good their "chemistry" or "synergy" or whatever buzz words you come up with, doesn't change the fact that this g-league tier streamers ain't beating anyone from HoloEN or HoloJP proper. I mean they usually get mogged by HoloID on the reg anyway which tells you all you need to know. Could you imagine getting mogged by a bunch of IDs. Kek

>>10415978
This is one of the worst posts I have ever read in the history of this board. Good job anon.

>>10415978
ogey, you should change your writing style HoloEN recliner san

>>10416250
Remember when Gura used to casually break 50K viewers?
There's your "drying up."

>>10416323
But I can't remember nijiEN getting 10k either? What's up with that?

>>10416250
She just Apex man, her viewer is literally just Apex

>>10396911
They won't. No one cares about vtubers anymore, let alone niji. And
>They got ky0resu
>hana
>lyrica
>shana
>Miya
is shit. It's going to be so bad, that it will kill vtubing.

>>10416356
Yeah, so?
"NijiEN is small" and "HoloEN's viewership is declining" aren't incompatible beliefs.

>>10407573
>HoloEN shows steady recline and already started to copy NijiEN
>already started to copy NijiEN
Give examples

>>10416323
Don't mean those tourist decided to switch to Niji. Or did I suddenly miss someone from NijiEN suddenly getting 30k? And no, posting the Pomu Autist baseball screenshot don't count. And please, Gura gets 15-20k on the reg. NijiEN hasn't gone past 10k since debut. Swear to god you autist are like clipperfags. Always shouting how they gonna take over LA and how LA is gonna be clippertown from now on.... and then the playoffs happen and they crawl back to their little holes like the pussies.

>>10416518
See >>10416418

>>10407656
>>Nigger, NTR, Tranny, HER, OllieEN
Now that's an intense schizo cope I can't even identify half of them here, wtf this bullshit

>>10416323
Yeah, remember when she was still under 1m subs last year, now she's 3.4m

>>10416666
>Gained the first million in like the first month or so
>Then took nearly a year to get 2.4m more
Say it with me, Satan: "Drying up."

>>10416545

Yeah, no.

>HoloEN's talent pool and viewership is starting to dry up and NijiEN is taking full advantage of this weakness

Agree that those two points may be mutually exclusive but anonchama wanted to connect them by saying that those viewers could be redirected to NijiEN. 2020 is over anon. The perfect storm that created the EN Vtuber landscape won't be replicated for a very long time if ever. This is basically the equivalent of WWE's hold on wrestling. Despite all the stupid shit that WWE pulled over the years, the clout that they created during the attitude era was big enough that they continue to coast on it to this day. NijiEN is TNA-tier. And there's really nothing wrong with that.

>>10416418
you serious or just plain retarded?
gura then 1M vtuber now 3.4M vtuber with lots of over 1M vod views
>but they're decreasing in ccv
people start going to work again in 2021, simply can't catch the stream live, unlike you schizo who keep parroting the same narrative over and over again but at the end of the day HoloEN still #1 Vtuber for EN

>>10416734
God damn that's impressive, anyone else gained 2.4m in 10 months?

>>10415175
You're not gonna bait me into tribalfagging, retard.

I sincerely hope you are enjoying HoloEN but I would like to discuss NijiEN on this NijiEN discussion thread. Maybe you'll change your mind and give them a shot when they have some brand power behind them, they're all very good singers and Shannon's covers of Calli songs have been chosen as Calli's favourites that she talked about in both competitions she held. She is very talented. Hana is a professionally-trained singer and has done Opera songs in her karaoke streams, Marie has a very clean singing voice too. Lyrica is Lyrica. She isn't hard to find and take a look at for yourself.

>>10416814
>Muh varus
Explain why NijiJP's 2021 Koushien got more viewers than 2020's.

>>10416396
What's wrong with Hana? A lot of people were hoping she'd be Fauna when HoloEN2 was revealed

>>10400758
mutt hands wrote this

>>10416820
>>10416814
>>10416767
>>10416545
Can you guys stop? Stop talking off topic pls, you guys just making this thread full of unnecessary argument

>>10416955
Eh, midgets need to know their place. NijiEN is only good for shitposting material anyway. Getting (you's) here from either side is way better than watching Selen going *Hahahaa* like a retard.

>>10416955
Cry about it faggot

>>10416912
Damn nijiJP must be reclining as well, they can't maintain the koshien number, good job exposing nijiJP failure anon

>>10408908
Sorry anon, but everything points to the males not coming until at most early next year.
Those poor guys are gonna suffer...

>>10410381
Eh, I don't think any of them care about being secretive or sneaky or avoiding raising suspicions, pretty much all of them have all but shouted to the heavens that they are gonna comeback and that it will probably be in NijiEN.

>>10410391
>>10410454
Don't have to worry about that anon, most of them already know each other so little will change, the males on the hand, I'm not so sure.
>>10415561
>EN Male vtubers are a risk that no other ENVtuber company is willing to take
Not even Niji itself too, considering how they avoided them for 3 fucking waves in a row.

There won't be male wave. It will be at most 2 males in wave 4 with other females.

>>10417461
damn imagine being a m*le vtuber with your vtuber harem

>>10417252
I agree, but in Marie's case she has a very strong presence in Kanae's chat as a translator and musical liaise. Would she keep doing that AS Marie but also as her Niji persona? Would she stop as Marie and do it on her Niji account so she can siphon Kanae subs by proximity, and build herself as a Kanae simp within the company? She practically has to tell him she got in either way because they're pretty close.

>>10417575
H-hot...

>>10416250
>they're better because they have more views
do holobronies really?

>>10417602
Dunno honestly, though in JP it's pretty common for people to know each others roommates but act like they don't know each other when in their vtuber persona/profile, even if they still interact behind the scenes an example of that is the Hayato-Roberu-Polka circle, so it's possible that she will continue interacting with Kanae normally as Marie but act differently when she is in her Niji persona, but who knows honestly, everything is still pretty much speculation at this point, nothing is really set in stone yet and who knows how things will go.

>>10417179
I still think Nijisanji not debuting a male chuuba along with the first wave was retarded. Right now, most of NijiEN's audience are Holosimps who are probably not used to their oshi collabing with males on the reg. Sure, they do the occasional male collab and acknowledgement but most are either outside the company or are from a different branch so there's always that wall that they can use to cope. But when an official NijiEN Male chuuba gets introduced, I have a rather bad inkling that it's gonna affect their relationship with their audience.

>>10418240
If they aren't used to them collabing with males by now I don't know what to say, one or more of them usually has a collab with a male almost every week.

>>10418240
Holobronies seethe and send death threats if their oshi collabs with males. I promise you the NijiEn audience isn't made up holofags or they'd have dropped the 2 most popular (Elira and Selen) immediately and Pomu will get 0 views now that she told a story about her crush from back in the day and that she isn't a lesbian like people believed.

>>10418746
There are plenty of holofags there just not the kind that care about this shit. Even in their own fanbase for HoloEN the people that care are a vocal minority. Check out any of the collabs with the 3D male e-celebs or whatever and note how the upvotes on youtube always massively outstrip the downvotes. But yeah Elira and Selen have both collabed with plenty of guys, both inside and outside Niisanji.

>>10418852
Are we gonna forget that ok ne mori collab with the holostar? Her chat is so fucking hot at it that time, Its really don't look like minority

>>10418852
Are we gonna forget that one mori collab with the holostar? Her chat is so fucking hot at it that time, Its really don't look like minority

>at least one of them is unambiguously flat
I will now watch your vtubers.
It's literally that easy. The fuck's going on over there, Cover?

>>10418944
Looking at the VOD for the collab with Rikka its 25k upvotes to 189 down. 100 people being disgruntled can indeed shit up a chat quite easily. Doesn't really mean it represents the feelings of the overall fanbase though.

>>10418240
What you said reminds me of how Hololive, in it's early days collabed and interacted with males quite a bit, but their fanbase still attacked Holostars when they were announced, even though it technically shouldn't have bothered them, I remember some people saying that it was because now the males were part from the same company instead of indies or from a different company, which apparently changed things, which is basically the case with NijiEN now, as all their male interactions have been, as you said, with people outside Niji or from branches far away from them.
I don't think the EN fanbase will be as bad but I will still go with caution and low expectations just in case, the fanbase is still pretty big, and there are parts that are more silent/discreet with their messages/opinions and there are some negative stigmas around EN male vtubers right now, so who knows how things will go down.

>>10419024
This board Will pretty much shitpost About them, that why i take break visiting nijiEN board if there new wave, because i know i Will end up searching Catalog and being retarded seeing someone shitting on vtuber group i like

>>10418852
Like any, a loud minority outweighs the majority, but my point mainly landed towards the atmosphere is vastly different in Nijisanji than Hololive. Crossgen/gender collabs (even in live skits) are never an issue, but the second hints/rumours fly about that in the holosphere it gets messy, especially on the JP side.

There's a reason they keep them more separate and the collabs are rarer now in hololive, remember, early on it was similar to niji, everyone was "one big family" but then the "idol" culture kicked in and many people don't remember (or know) how hololive was in 2017 and 2018 and in 2019 when it start being bigger. as this anon said:
>>10419024
People tend to be a bit more discreet and would sooner contact the talents directly than view bomb etc (that does nothing), now throw in the fact every envtuber thot was throwing their ass and tits at that dude's face, I don't expect a male corporate scene in NijiEN any time soon, they now would be inviting drama the second people dig up who they were.

>>10419580
what dude are you even talking about?

>>10409318
fuck off AIshill, you are the one who falseflagging as nijifan the most, i can see through your eternal butthurt