/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>10378183
because the audiences typically prefer 2D and the only way to get the most from 3D is full body VRChat streams, which most people can't afford to do nor do they have to knowledge to do so

>>10378183
As to NijiEN, it is because there are a ton of Nijis ahead of them in line who need their 3d debuts first. Fair is fair. I can't speak to what the fuck Cover is doing.

Bad karma.

>>10378250
>I can't speak to what the fuck Cover is doing.
They can't come to Japan and Cover refuses to outsource it.

Anonchama, 3D isn't that big of a deal. 2view JP indies get 3D. HoloEN doesn't have it because of the coof. NijiEN doesn't have it because of the coof and plus there's a shit ton of other people before them. I don't care about the others.

>>10378183
>other agencies won't have their 3d debuts until they reach sub goals rather than bothering to innovate and invest in their talents
Bros are the other startups even trying? How can this no name agency get away with this and they can't?

and just like every other 3D debut, how often is this going to be used?
who cares

>>10378429
>covid cope
at this point it's just terrible logistics and management fucking it up, dont excuse cover's shit.

>>10378429
3D isnt special for JP but this is the first time a western agency had a 3D debut so early. Not even HoloEN had theirs despite being the first big EN group and they had to commission theirs using walfie designs.

>>10378250
my emma august took 2 years to receive her 3d. it was worth it.

>>10378250
That's the usual Japanese seniority system.

>>10378540
>paid for by teamates

>>10378429
>because of the coof
And yet Calli and Irys live in Japan.
>not that big of a deal
Keep telling yourself that

>>10378619
Its just first come first serve anon.
They get 3D debuts based on reaching checkpoints, then get put on the list.

>>10378659
It's annoying that they don't have it but "not that big of a deal" is the fact that 3D is not difficult to make if literal who indies are getting 3D.
>>10378619
It's based on who gets to 100k first, there is a long waiting list that is all mixed up because some people requested to be skipped.

>>10378183
Cyber who?
3D lives can't save garbage talent what's the point of a 3D live with 20 live participants?

>>10378808
>He doesn't know about VR gaming
Sasuga nijinig

>>10378619
>>10378250
What's the actual point of managers if they don't actually pursue interests for their branch?
Surely you'd think the EN managers would act somewhat independently to get shit done for their talents like 3D debut's and costumes rather than do fuck all and slink behind the 'sorry, wacky backwards japanese seniority system, can't do nothing' incompetent defence.
You're suppose to be pioneers of a new industry, not shackled to garbage old practices.

Cover needs to get their shit together. I'm sure the other smaller agencies have something on the way though. I hope so anyway. NijiEN get the pass because like others have said, way too many fuckers ahead of em

>>10378808
3D enables their talents to do more things. Cyberlive has Pandora talk about being able to host concerts with her 3D model and show off her dance moves since she's trained in dancing. Yuri herself said she used to be a prolific dancer too so this only adds a lot of variety into the type of streams they can do instead of just games.

Holoen 3D debut will happen this November
Cover is going to rent a 3D mocap studio in the US
Gura's intro will feature a 3-minute animation
Screencap this
don't ask why i know about this

>>10378867
Are you actually retarded?
Nijisanji has inhouse modelers and artists to keep things consistent and quality assured.

EN is not on their shitlist or something, they're just the latest to debut so naturally they're the last on the backlog.
Niji puts a lot of emphasis on 3D debuts, so they're not going to short change the EN branch with half assed out sourcing, they'll give them the 3D debut that all the JPs get which are typically big events where anycolor puts their full resources behind.

>>10378867
>Why don't managers just ignore their employers bros?
Seriously?

>>10378970
Screencapped.
I'll repost the screencap in 1-2 years when they actually do their 3D debut.

>>10379098
Same. See you on November

>only been 2 months
>all of them are confirmed to be getting 3D models and costumes
>gen 2 will also get the same treatment too

Imagine the seething people who applied to the other agencies feel when Cyberlive is turning out to be the best EN agency.

>>10378867
Because outsourcing something as big as your actual 3D debut is retarded. Ame got away with it since it's meme 3D.

>>10378970
>don't ask why i know about this
Your yagoo tulpa told you? He told me the same thing.

>>10379194
Honestly though, they're just not that good.
Also literal prostitution donation rewards.

>>10379194
ignoring the early yabs they are easily the ones with the best marketing, contract, and what they have been providing. they have done a highlight channel, merch and now 3D only 2 months in

>>10379248
>Also literal prostitution donation rewards.
?
The fuck are you on about nigger?

>>10379297
If they didn't go full retard with the early damage control and ignored this retarded discord they would be doing better.

>>10379248
yes op i actually fuck lumi and panda every night after stream.

It's pretty good that they're getting that already honestly, as another Anon said it opens up the door for other types of content. The other companies most likely can't afford 3D or can't do it because of whatever restrictions. Hopefully they can make use of this chance to incline.

>>10379359

>>10379361
they are already turning out fine regardless, give them another month or two and people will be over everything

>>10379440
she has said countless times now it was her idea and it was just meant to be like playing apex in vc only for debut. this is what happens when talent have free reign I guess

>>10379297
I think what happened is just that they really meant well but they were completely new and inexperienced at this which is why they had some yabs early on.

With Charzu admitting that the girls at Kawaii needing 100k subs just to get their 3D with the likely the same requirements in other agencies, there's no doubt that 3D and costumes are a far off dream for most talents in other agencies.

>>10379248
>literal prostitution
I wish, but they never promised to have sex with me.

>>10379606
>literal prostitution
i'm still waiting for my ass splitting sessions lumi

>>10379513
>listening to that damage control
It was gonna be a permanent fixture until literally everyone shat on them. Don't memory hole it, it's one of the most truthful things I have ever seen and makes for good commentary on the whole vtubing phenomenon.

>>10379033
>>10379196
>muh in-house QC
Oh fuck off, you talk as if most shit the Japanese do aren't already outsourced or are you guys one of those fags that still believe all animation and shit is done in-house in their respective studios?
They out-source shit all the fucking time and neither is it a bad thing when it means you can achieve your goals faster and you have competent managers that QC people they hire themselves like a normal fucking company, not all out-sourcing is done via some nightmare pinoy in a sweatshop.

>>10379056
Don't be stupid.
>what are district-level managers
If a company can't give some autonomy to such roles for branches then they're doomed to stall in growth and be outgrown by their competition due to lack of flexibility.

>>10379789
no it wasn't. hylo created the rewards in a discord vc on their server and said it was only for debut after getting thousands before the rewards were even up since she felt uncomfortable not giving back.

>>10378183
Compensating
They're gonna have a 3D debut nobody will watch
Who gives a shit

>>10379440
What were they smoking when they came up with this list? Why is the handwritten letter worth less than the Tweet or name in description? Why is the voice pack worth more than the date?

>>10378855
VR gaming is trash to watch

>>10379033

Literally this.

People are understandably unaware that Nijisanji have their OWN L2D and 3D riggers, but this is the exact reason. Rather than risk a single Niji gets someone like Gura's L2D or Roberu's unfinished 3D model, they put the work on the same handful of workers.

This means that there is a backlog and we get a new 3D every two or three weeks. It's also NOT a 'Japanese seniority' thing because Hana Macchia (ID) and Nun Bora (KR) are ahead of some JP and the EN branch. It's just come out in a way where there's a fuckload of JP members in a row that reached 100K in order.

im just glad this will force the others to step up

>>10379886
It doesn't matter how much is outsourced or not, the point is niji debuts are a big deal to them. They go all out with modeling and art when it happens. They don't just throw a girl on a stage and call it a day. They model the environment, give them any props they want, ask them what their plans are and work to their fullest abilities to make their wishes happen.

3D debuts for niji is basically their time to make a wishlist of everything they want in 3D and anycolor makes it happen (if its within reason)

>>10380187
>t. doesn't watch streams

>>10378250
>because there are a ton of Nijis ahead of them in line who need their 3d debuts first
COVID travel restrictions aside, if Anycolor keeps going at the pace they are, they'll have caught up with 3d models in the first half of 2022.
>>10378867
the costume situation is iffy because the bar Anycolor set was never made to account for the vtuber boom. between new costumes every 50k and doing 2.0s/3.0s of every liver to bring them up to current standards means their artists and riggers are pretty strung tight.

too fast this will kill her growth for sure

>>10380602
cope. every big indie has 3D for a reason

>>10380690
I actually don't know the reason.
Most of them rarely use it. Sana has a 3D for some videos and such but her 2D form is far cuter.

>>10380066
So why did every girl have them and then they all disappeared when everyone started shitting on them? Nowhere in the description was it implied that it would be for that stream only. Not really a great company when all the responsibility is being dumped on one talent.

>>10380690
Yeah for the VRChat streams. Most of them don't even use them and most of the ones that do did VRChat streams before becoming vtubers anyways (Zen, Silver, Momo. Melody didn't but she started as a chaturbate experiment)

>>10380831
every girl did not do your archive reps. yuri copied her list. lumi had some changed. pandora and seina never did.

>>10380389
Give me a good reason why a good manager can't achieve this by hiring the right people/studio/location and vet things themselves so their branch can achieve the same quality as the Japanese branches etc?
Like you can throw the QC argument all you want but it doesn't escape the fact that the stranglehold and archaic business practices is hindering a successful overseas branch if they can't be afforded that autonomy.
They're either hiring bad managers that don't know how to do this stuff for some reason as they should or the company is hamstringing itself.
There's a reason when you setup overseas branches they're usually autonomous and given budgets to achieve things broadly independently because they should be able to operate independently to further the interests of the business as a whole.

>>10380690
cyberlive is not big indie

>>10380889
I know you're trying to copy the hololive shit manager cope, but it doesn't work in this case.

There's a world of difference between not being able to get permissions to stream dark souls vs not creating a new 3D studio from scratch complete with artists and hardware. Why would the EN branch make their own shit when the JP branch works fine and is working at a fast pace anyways?

>>10380897
the idea is that you get big with the creativity 3d opens up later. VRchat streams are some of the highest performing and clippable.

>>10380831
>Why did they immediately go back on a bad idea once they realized how bad it looked?
Based competent agency actually listening to feedback and striving to improve. Are you fucking retarded anon?

>>10379194
any of them breached 200 live viewers yet?

>>10381045
Lumi did recently

>>10381045
lumi and seina depending on the stream and time. pandora hylo float around 50-80 if pandora isn't streaming for JP time. yuri is the lowest if not on twitch at around 30-50 on youtube

>>10381068
Did she? I've seen her at around 100, never higher than that

>>10380884
>pandora and seina never did.
They debuted the next day. They saw it'd be a trainwreck or they hadn't had a chance to add it.

>>10381109
>50-80
Good on them for having some successful girls though, I've seem Hylo a couple of times so this 3D is a big chance for her.

>>10381145
I don't remember which it was, but it was a recent Twitch. It was admittedly due to raids, but that's more credit to her networking that bigger indies are willing to boost them.

>>10378250
>what the fuck Cover is doing
just.
follow.
stars.

>>10381169
no they weren't in the vc when they were added retard. unfortunately this all happened in the discord so most of the fags here who only ever saw the thread made over it don't know but it was definitely hylos idea and she convinced yuri and lumi in the vc with her to add them.

>>10381007
Was it so bad? They were making bank with it and all they had was the universal disgust of /vt/ and /trash/

>>10381145
she did a karaoke on YouTube that got peak 220 I think about a week ago.

>>10381045
>>10381145
lumi was over 200 for almost an hour during her last karaoke stream
and she's consistently 80-120 on YT and twitch

>>10381272
>it all happened in a secret place so believe me
You weren't there and neither was I. We just need to look at the public facts. The facts point to this being a part of cyberlive until they saw that a lot of people did not like it.

>>10378183
Correct me uf I'm wrong, but doesn't Cover and Anykara both encompass custom 3D tech for their chuubas? If that's the case there's absolutely no way they're going to outsource their 3D model outside or even worse have to give away their tech just so they can keep it compatible in case they travel to japan and use their own studio

>>10381405
I was there anon kek. That is how I know this. It was on their public Discord server predebut. I feel bad for Hylo more than anything for being a retard with her wording but I can't convince you so it isn't worth it. If you like the other agencies then just be glad this pushes the others to step up or fall behind.

>>10378250
>I can't speak to what the fuck Cover is doing.
Homos first, then ID, then EN

>>10380969
What?
Of course it applies to the both of them because both of them have their 'in-house etc etc etc' excuse.
You also don't need to completely setup a brand new studio or anything like the JP's, the west in general especially in the US have plenty of locations with far better equipment with mocap studios that can be rented with engineers on-site that will do that shit for you and then it'd just be about ordering remote 3d modeler to make the models that you can QC with etc.
It may seem weird but we're WAY ahead of the Japs with shit like this with the bonus that everyone's English so you don't have awkward shit about flying talents to JP and having all those issues.
I'm sick of excuses.

Cyberlive is run by competent Americans.

>>10381533
>giving their worst branch 3D first

small indie startup please andastand

>>10378183
This is actually a big deal assuming that its not bullshit. That would make Cyberlive the first of the EN startups to receive 3D.

>>10378183
For the other startups it's probably a case of using costumes and 3D as incentives to grow your channel. Costume reveals and 3D debuts are supposed to be your biggest streams, so it's a gamble to blow that load while you're still growing.

>>10381585
I wouldn't say that but more like JP stuck in their old ways and the other agencies are too poor or too new to have it yet.

>>10381585
Wasn't it run by some teenage girl?

>>10381591
>official tweet from official twitter
>shows posed 3D model
>another cl talent mentions 3D on stream
other companies please get your shit together

>>10381645
>American teenager is more competent than aging Nips
Yeah that tracks

>>10381645
That was a rrat posted here when all the shit was going down and unsurprisingly isn't real kek. Teenager quite literally can't run a company.

I recommend checking our what post-debut CL has done since I really love their marketing so far. If the yabs never happened they easily would be soaring right now.

>>10380389
Anon... The same thing happens in Hololive.
It's just that they're pretty uncreative.

>>10378183
Pretty sure almost all the groups you named will continue to get better numbers even after Cyberlive gets its 3Ds out.

>>10381501
So how come I didn't hear this story until days after and not at the time of the threads? I was in each debut thread and I didn't hear this shit for a while. It's damage control and they're dumping it on one talent. It's sick, I don't blame the talent but I do blame their keepers.

>>10379194
>best EN agency
make me laugh more

>>10381557
But they don't have experience with them and you're working under entirely different assumptions here. Plus the NijiEN branch doesn't necessarily have liquid cash on hand to do these things in general.

Plus there's still the more important matter of why bother? You're screaming that they haven't moved the world for these girls when
1. The Niji HQ already handles this and they're already in line to receive their 3D models, complete with all the normal stuff Nijisanji provides everyone for their 3D debuts.
2. They've only been around for like 3 months.
3. You're asking them to create entirely new business deals, contract new people, find entirely new artists to hire. And all this just serves to detach the EN branch from every other Nijisanji branch. If the quality is higher, then it makes the other branches look like shit. If its lower, then the EN branch gets shafted. Also, not all the NijiEN girls are American.

>>10381812
>It's just that they're pretty uncreative.
I guess "turning the carpet red with akasupas" and "giving SCs to fill the champagne tower" counts as creativity.

>>10381589
To be fair, the homos deserve to get 3D before the indogs. EN 3D should've been first, though.

>>10381851
ok
>best EN startup agency

>>10381812
I imagine the quality differs in general and they're more limited. I have a hard time believing that's all they can think of considering how much better all the NijiEN debuts are.

>>10378808
They'd be able to do dancing streams. I know one girl from a small corpo that is looking forward to a 3D model because she thinks she is at her best while dancing. Then of course indies with 3D and body tracking dancing or playing something like Beat Saber.

>>10381591
Yeah this is a massive deal desu, this breaks the entire 3D Hololive model by having 3D models being made first so the talents can show off a larger variety of content instead of having to just sit around with live2D for years.

>>10379440
Man, that moment will keep being brought up until the end of time.

>>10382254
It was a dumb idea in general and anyone with 3 seconds of foresight would have realized it.
Donation rewards in general are a horrible idea.

pomu liked the announcement tweet kek

pomu liked it

>>10381912
But the Smashbros and Gantz skits were based.

>>10382337
dropped

>>10382337
>>10382365
Weren't some Cyberlive girls in her chat the other day?

>>10382365
>He/him

>>10382365
collab incoming? she interacts with hylo A LOT

>>10382414
They're literally everywhere trying to shill themselves.

>>10382562
Based and networking pilled, why circlejerk with the other startups when you can aim for Niji and Holo

>>10381866
1. NijiHQ should be funding their successful branches, so if they don't have liquid cash to help them succeed further then they're incompetent
2. If you can't immediately capitalize on something that's clearly being successful then they're incompetent.
3. Flexibility to tackle things on-demand is basic successful business practice, rather than stalling and waiting.
>You're asking them to create entirely new business deals, contract new people, find entirely new artists to hire. And all this just serves to detach the EN branch from every other Nijisanji branch. If the quality is higher, then it makes the other branches look like shit. If its lower, then the EN branch gets shafted. Also, not all the NijiEN girls are American.
Yes, I want a company to do the necessary bare minimum work to capitalize on further success as any normal company should do? Why is this even a question.
Yes branch autonomy with help of HQ is the way forward, something EVERYONE HERE should want.
Also it's far easier to send Europeans to the US than it is to JP, I don't understand why this is even a point. The only grey area are Aussies, which you can just send them to Niji/holo HQ.

>>10381866
Anon, you're discussing with a 16 year old that doesn't know how bussiness works, it's the same kinda guy that says "i wantes X in this game, it should be easy to make !!!" without knowing actually what a fucking scope is

>>10382676
>Yes, I want a company to do the necessary bare minimum work to capitalize on further success as any normal company should do?
they're already doing this, its what the HQ handles.

>2. If you can't immediately capitalize on something that's clearly being successful then they're incompetent.
they're not especially successful. They're doing well, but new /jp/ debuts are about equally successful. The EN branch is about average in terms of niji debuts.
Leos who debuted after lazulight is already at 236k subs, higher than any of the EN girls.

>>10378183
Cover doesn't care about EN

>>10381912
Why are the Hologuys debuts way cooler than the Hologirls then.

IRyS should have debuted with 3D

>>10382304
I'm not sure how they didn't see it coming.

>>10382676
>establishing a new HQ, buy the necessary equipment and hire new staff for 6 people who will use it the studio maybe twice a year is 'bare minimum'
You either never worked a sibgle day ib your life or you flip burgers at a mcdonald for a living

>>10382926
Myth would have mutinied. They're seething from the lack of 3D and they're having a very hard time keeping it under wraps. I think the only thing keeping a rebellion from happening is the fact that covid is locking JP up.

HoloEN aren't idols and therefore do not need them for idol concerts

Actually yeah, all the /jp/ 2021 debuts (i forget the group name, leos + lain + others) have more subs than lazulight.
EN branch still in the 100k+ range, but the /jp/ branch is still the lead by far.

not a huge surprise considering how disappointing the 1st wave was, but selen is on the uptake.

Prismbros...

>>10380969
You don't really need to create one from scratch though. There are definitely some 3d mocap studios you could rent out. Although the girls may need to travel a pretty fair distance

>>10383235
Its the partnership you need to create, considering they need to be doing it on a regular basis.
Or like Nijisanji where they have the HQ and can use it for a multitude of different things and events, if they don't have a long standing contract that's much harder to do.

In general logistics become harder when you talk America vs Japan, even assuming everyone lived in the US moving people from the west to east coast, or even central to the coasts is a huge pain in the ass because every event has to become a weekend - week long trip. As opposed to Japan where you can get pretty much anywhere in Japan and back within a single day (and most people are around the same area anyways). So at most the EN branch would contract out a facility for a day for an event and then not go back for months. Which puts a damper on them as opposed to JP which just regularly uses their own studio.
Which, at that point its just cheaper and easier to fly them to Japan and use the Japanese studio since they already have it and they're already needing to do a cross country flight.

As someone that regularly travels from central us to the coasts, its a huge pain in the fucking ass and not something i'd be willing to do more than a few times a year.

I'm so tired of cyberlive shills

>>10382716
>i don't understand how business works which means this anon arguing about it won't
>better call them underage and use a false equivalence so I look smart
If you have nothing to add to the convo then just sit it out dude.

>>10383006
No-one said anything about establishing a new HQ you absolute illiterate reprobate.
Drag your knuckles elsewhere cretin.

>>10382790
Maybe our opinions on what success is are skewed differently, but raising 6 talents who ALL have already quickly passed 100k subs, 1k+ viewers and are growing healthily at a fast rate for an average youtuber in a matter of a couple months without the Jap buff since Niji are the biggest JP vtuber company is what I'd personally view as very successful.

>>10383235
Whole fucking waste of money for something they'll use not even 3 times a year, it literally costs less to fly them into Japan and do it after using their Japanese 3D modelers and tech guys instead of either shipping those tech guys to America (when not all of NijiEN even lives in the US) or hiring someone else to do it in America which will change the cohesive quality of 3D Nijisanji already has.
But
1. the virus exists
2. There are other Nijis in line for 3D
no one seems to understand this second point
Pic related is list of people who have reached 100k in JP, out of all of them, Furen, Melissa, Machukai, and Banego have had 3D debuts. Shellin and Hayama have 3D models for events but didn't do their debut yet. Sayo and Kyoko are getting 3D for a concert and didn't debut yet. There's a bunch who are on hold or waiting. Then there's Hana and Bora who got 100k ages ago.
By the time they're all done and in order they'll probably be fine to fly in.

>>10383594
It would be successful as indies, but as part of nijisanji they're lagging behind their /jp/ counterparts, so of course nijisanji doesn't see them as an amazing success, just a moderate one which isn't worth creating an entire new studio for.

>>10383201
I fucking hate this boring piece of shit, the only thing keeping her afloat is a few dedicated paypigs.

>>10383585
At least it's not Pippa shills

Nijisanji JUST existed and you want them to have 3D now?

>>10383632
Hajiki got his 3D for Rin's event as well right?

>>10383632
Goddamn. I wonder if enikara should hire on some more contractors because that is a mountain.

>>10383827
Cyberlive JUST existed too why NijiEN can not?

>>10382562
>they are putting effort to be known
good work

>>10383827
Yes. If they beat Myth to the punch Anycolor will win the west.

>>10383880
its probably the problem of they're moving at a decent pace now, so if they hired help it'd just be temporary and at some point they'd have to let them go, which they're probably hesitant to do.

>>10383585
me too anon

>>10382658
They do circle jerk with the startups
all of them

>>10382562
it's called friendships and connections, anon
Quite a lot of Nijigirls follow CyberLive girls, VShojos too
idk about holos though

>>10383161
Holo Pro idol company

>>10384056
mumei's supposed roommate follows lumi

>>10383939
It doesn't seem like there is a shortage of work to be done at this point. Contractors know they are contractors, they know how everything works.
>>10382658
It makes me wonder why none of them try to get in good with holoen considering it's size. I hear people on stream say they like holoen but when it's time to do business they don't bother with them.

>>10384216
Yeah she followed Lumi yesterday too

>>10383161
This. We know the cl girls wanted 3D but we don't know if HoloEN want 3D.
>>10384250
We know she lurks her threads and we have had Lumi shills in her threads. Did /vt/ do something good for once?

>>10380158
>Why is the voice pack worth more than the date?
Because it will be personalized JOI and ERP.

Did everyone collectively forget how black this company is?

>>10383161
cope

>>10384223
>It makes me wonder why none of them try to get in good with holoen considering it's size
I'd presume any of the following
>HoloEN gives them the finger
>HoloEN has a lot of restrictions most of the other companies don't want to deal with
>HoloEN throwing its weight around and fucking over their collab mates if they choose to collab

>>10384351
>85% cut to talent
>2nd outfits already rolling out
>3d
>total game freedom
>merch and original songs within a month of debut

yep black company

>>10384402
>>85% cut to talent
This isn't correct
>total game freedom
This isn't correct, they still have permissions issues.

>>10384351
how's it black? Literally anything it could be blamed for has ben solved already or never was a problem to begin with

>>10384351
cl is not prism

>>10383880
They recently hired more people for 3D, a whole team for AR, and more in-house artists this summer.
>>10383868
Yes.

>>10384426
the cut thing is correct, they said it multiple times
>they still have permissions issues
they're not a japanese company, they don't have to deal with permission shit at all

>>10384426
>still have permissions issues
>Pandora plays persona 4
>Calli spent an entire stream begging atlus to play persona
>still cant play it
lmao get fucked nippons

>>10384456
It wouldn't be so bad if Captain wasn't a moron with money to burn

>>10384392
But wouldn't the exposure be extremely appealing anyways? Some people actually like HoloEN outside of numbers too.
>>10384351
No. We know what happened but since I like Lumi I'm just gonna trust her.

>>10384426
The talents have confirmed both these things, you only need game permissions if you're a Japanese company and typically only when it's a Japanese game as no western company gives a fuck

>>10384566
Well I can't imagine a collab with most the HoloENs would go well considering their personalities. Most of HoloEN is just blatantly boring, if collabing with them it makes you look boring too, and on top of that you can't 1-up them because it makes you look like you're shitting on them and gets you on the bad side of 10k antis.

Something like Ollie and Mouse works because Ollie is actually fun and Mouse has enough weight of her own to throw at hololive if needed. But if Ina went in a collab with Miori from Tsunderia, Miori would get massively filtered because she can't act how she normally does and Ina has the charisma and social skills of a rock so the collab would just be Miori awkwardly trying to talk with Ina while Ina nods which would be a complete disaster for Miori and nobody would ever look at her again.

>>10384503
>they're not a japanese company
They are, there was RE4 permissions hell with Selen.
>>10384689
Pomu is asking for Microsoft game permissions and there's no response from Microsoft.

>>10384426
gen 1 said they get an 85% with the option to raise it up over time and have no restrictions retard

>>10384782
Isn't this discussion about Cyberlive? Nijisanji is based in Japan, so permissions retardation applies to NijiEN.

>>10384782
sir this is a cyberlive thread

>>10384392
as if holoEN would bother collabing with a small corpo. lumi alone would dominate any collab and holo can't afford to lose more viewership

>>10384923
I thought I was in a Nijisanji thread with all the Nijisanji discussion, never mind

Phase and Cyberlive both have no permission issues because they're both western based companies. Phase's problem is that they dont have enough gamers since Tenma only likes indie games and Pippa likes weird MMOs in order to show off their permissions strength. Meanwhile for cyberlive you have them showing off a wide variety of games every week from all their talents since they have no issues with getting permissions at all.

I WANNA BEND LUMI OVER THE DESK
I WANNA BEND HYLO OVER THE DESK
I WANNA BEND YURI OVER THE DESK
I WANNA BEND PANDA OVER THE DESK
I WANNA BEND SEINA OVER THE DESK
I WANNA BEND MISAKI OVER THE DESK

I WANNA BEND (YOU) OVER THE DESK


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXX

>>10385004
Tsunderia and PRISM don't seem to have big problems (American and Japanese respectively)
Aoi plays a ton of rhythm games actually, which I'm assuming she's just playing chicken with copyright.

>>10385139
PRISM has had permission issues iirc.

>>10385139
Tsunderia doesnt have the game permissions problem since they're US based but I dont think you watch enough Prism if you think Prism doesnt have issues with game permissions. You hear Yura complaining a lot of times about how being a gamer she's being restricted from playing all the game she wants to play because of permissions and Nia is also having problems with it too. That's also why Prism's nickname is the Zatsudan project due to their restrictions.

>>10385099
I wrote this

>>10385099
i typed this

>>10385099
I thought this, which made it manifest into reality.

>>10385099
my hands typed this post

>>10378183
>release 3D models
>cant do anything with them because of covid restrictions
Amazing waste of resources

>>10386273
they're using at home 3D kits silly

>>10386273
>Thinks you need a massive studio to do anything entertaining and fun with a 3D model

People loved the little patchwork even Amelia put on for the HoloEN anniversary

>>10378183
I can believe the rrat that CL run by someone young because this startup the 'quickest-learner'.

It's great they're putting out 3D before their competition because it at least differentiates them from the other startups in a good way. I wont benefit Gen 1 much because its still on those weak designs. Lumi will probably look the best and benefit the most.


Hopefully, their alternate outfits can get them in the right track visually. If that doesn't work, Gen 2 should do the trick.
CL needs to learn from the mistakes of their competitors when it comes to design:
1. Designs have to sell merch.
2. Designs that are easily transferable to other mediums. Even if there is no immediate intention of making games, manga, web animations with the characters that might change in the future.
3. Fans don't like bootlegs, knockoffs or copycats, even if it's unintentional. The fans are absolutely merciless to designs that even closely resembles to another vtuber. (this also applies to things outside of design).
4. After designs like Sana, IryS and Orla (Tsunderia), it must be said the face is the most important part of the vtuber whether it be indie or corporate. Faces need to be expressive and they need to to have an appealing default resting expression. They can be over-rendered, too simple, or too polarizing. Look at Shiki from prism, shit outfit, but 10/10 from the bust up.
5. Designs need to be exciting and aesthetic. Know who your audience is, know what they want, audience and give it to them. Don’t worry too much about very specific requests, try to get the bigger picture.

Anyway, this is pretty exiting news.

>>10382478
I would be so happy for her if that happens. Hylo is adorkable

>>10378183
What if its all TheArtGun? I know /vt/ would hate it but, outside of here, would that be good or bad?

>>10386883
ArtGun is pretty much a sign of quality. I'd have nothing against it.

>>10386273
A VR headset and some Vive trackers would already be on par with Cover's garbage 3D

>>10386883
Its passable, I would prefer something better but from a no-name indie as their first models? This would be more than enough.

>>10387110
Imagine if they got valve indexes lmao

>>10386883
at 4k+ a model I doubt they could afford it

>>10383177
Not really. Oliver still is behind.

>>10383632
is there a list more updated than this? I think Lauren, Oliver, Naru and a few others reached 100k.

>>10384727
>But if Ina went in a collab with Miori from Tsunderia
Baelz would've been more suitable for that example

>>10387266
Index kit+3 trackers would run them about 1300 per girl. VRchat is free and there's a wealth of interactable content they could do together, even just siting around and talking would be great.

>>10387780
Ina and Miori are both Koreans and dogs should play with dogs.

>>10387536
>constant EOP pandering before building a solid JP fanbase first.
I couldn't be less suprised.

>>10383632
Lazulight should probably be before the Eden-gumi ones, since I'm sure they'll have something set up for EN by that time (unless the coof is still bad enough that even them mostly being vaxxed won't matter), but yeah, it's a long waiting list.
Also Hana and probably Bora will probably wait until anyone else in their branch gets 100k before even thinking about it. I know Hana wouldn't want to be the odd one out there, at least.

>>10379033
>inhouse
Since Nijisanji is so balls deep in China you know they outsource that stuff to Chinese sweat shops. You can tell from the quality too. Some of their 3D models look more like Minecraft Endermen than actual humans.

>>10388119
I'd be curious if they try to smash out the EN waves together, since they seem to be "grouped" a little more than typical /jp/ new waves.
It'd feel a little weird to see Elira without Pomu or Finana on stream with her for example. And considering they have to fly them all over anyways, I'd wonder if they'll just do all 3 at once or in the same weekend or something.

>>10388255
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/news/duzbw9ol6m
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/news/27224
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/news/ymxro-kkg9
Several articles interviewing their employees as well as announcements for in-house recruitment on their Twitter. Virtuareal has its own studio in China and they even send Japanese employees over there instead of vice versa.
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/news/455

>>10380389
>3D debuts for niji is basically their time to make a wishlist of everything they want in 3D and anycolor makes it happen (if its within reason)
Still love that they run the gamut from a few skits for a hour to full concert featuring a live mocap band to "Watch the chuuba for pachinko"
I hope Gwelu gets his 3 hour debut, whatever he ends up doing there.

>>10388496
Yeah, I don't believe this for a second. They might have one japanese guy that sort of overlooks the process and they use that as PR to claim its "inhouse". I mean, like I said, the quality is shit so you can tell their standards aren't too high. Unless you really like super long, unnatural, Enderman arms.

>>10388631
Its fine to be retarded anon, but maybe keep your thoughts to yourself.

>>10388292
Could just have them show up and talk without 3D like they usually do, or do what they did for Tomoe's 3d debut.
Although if they fly them all the way over to Japan it'd probably make the most sense to do it together or close anyway, but who knows. They'll all probably be NEETs by then, so I guess spending a month or so there isn't off the table.

>>10388898
Nah let him post it, it's pretty funny cope

>>10388631
Not him, but VirtuaReal 3D actually have better quality than the actual Nijisanji 3D. So having Chinese 3D staff might actually improve their 3D unironically.

>>10388898
>>10389085
>>10389188
Newest Nijisanji 3D debut!! Make sure you send your superchats and wear your pumpkin hat!!!

>>10389353
I mean if you're shitposting about a model looking like shit... why not just post the model itself?

>>10378183
This thread reeks of women, so let me turn on a fan and pull up a chair.

>HoloEN
Poor logistical infrastructure. Can't and won't pay to smuggle their talents into the country for 3D streams they literally will only ever do once in a blue moon, and won't pay for home 3D because small multinational company please understand.
>NijiEN
The artists and sweatshops are already overworked and underpaid. They didn't foresee the western vtubing boom and haven't adapted their workforce to it over the past year and a half. Now they're playing catch up after having effectively flooded the market and outgrown the limits of their resources by taking on more mouths than they can feed 3D to.
>Tsunderia
Trying to be hololive lite, but can't beat them on talent because whores will either go indie or go big brand. Letting them keep the models is a nice gesture, but it only truly inspires confidence and loyalty among the takented who'd want to build a brand up with their bear hands (aka men). The lack of talent would require resources and capital to make up for it through superior production values...but that capital doesn't seem to exist.
>Prism
The actual small Japanese company that has some talent but not the resources, marketing or permissions freedom needed to run circles around Hololive.
>Phaseconnect
An absolute shitshow with poor management and ill behaved chubas that lacks proper professionalism. Also appears to have gone into it without properly amassing the capital to tout superior production values.
>Kawaii
Literal who agency that lacks marketing, talent and capital. Still trying to be Hololive lite, as if bootlegging is supposed to be a model for success when the original product is already free.
>and more in EN
Vshoujo has 3d. Others don't it's ultimately a matter of money. Either it has to come from the revenue stream, or it has to come from investors. Barring that, the resources just aren't there to compete on production values.

tldr Chubas aren't facecammers. They can't just stand up and do 3d things. Anime and CG effects are an expensive creative production classically manifested through crowdsourcing via committee, where various industries contribute their expertise and share in both losses as well as profits. As a matter of course, small companies not backed by big investors will have inferior chuba assets than chubas who rake in the money and have larger investors backing them.

Cyberlive is apparently the only agency who thought this through prior to setting up shop and came to the realization that if you can't beat hololive by being more talented or marketable than them, there's always dumping fucktons of money into objective improvements like 3D, goods, services, animations, manga, and all sorts of other projects utilizing their IP. It's not unreasonable to think that if the IP was developed on its own, that would in turn buff and carry the character's voice actress. That's how anime production committees do it. They don't just rely on voice actors to carry anime. Instead, they work on developing and expanding the intellectual property so as to make that character and the person voicing them relevant.

That's not to say it will work. Throwing good money after bad is also riskier. But in the end, risk is the only way to find opportunities that haven't yet presented themselves, and the companies that find those opportunities may get a leg up. Fortune always favors the wealthy, because the wealthy usually have both the means and preparations to take advantage of market inefficiencies.

>>10389709
based and extermely well thought out post

>>10378183
Some indies have 3D models, so what the fuck is your point

>>10389632
I would but I don't have any screenshots saved and I won't click on a Nijisanji video and give it a view to grab a screenshot. Refuse to give them a view. However, if you've seen it you know.

>>10389994
We're not talking about 2 view shitters. Cyberlive has a girl that can pull 200.

do ENtards seriously think that Myth will get 3D before ID1, good luck breaking the chemistry of the company if you play the number game

>>10390039
>Its bad and so terrible its laughable!
>I'm not going to google it or take a screenshot though!
>I'm not going to say the name or link the vid either!
>Just trust me!
lmao.

will ironmouse live 3d come with her bed?

>>10389709
>Cyberlive is apparently the only agency who thought this through prior to setting up shop and came to the realization that if you can't beat hololive by being more talented or marketable than them, there's always dumping fucktons of money into objective improvements like 3D, goods, services, animations, manga, and all sorts of other projects utilizing their IP.
It's wild they're the only startup like this.

A 3d debut is more than just a 3d model. I'm sure any of the big companies can spare a couple thousand bucks for a high quality fully rigged model but this is more of an event that has to be hyped and scheduled

>>10389709
I don't have many strong feelings one way or the other on your opinions, but I'm very curious about your use of "Hololive lite" to describe Tsunderia and Kawaii. While Tsunderia has the idol image just because everyone in the company can sing well, Miori and Purin can be downright vulgar. Also I find the company as a whole to surpass Hololive in many ways including talent and entertainment value, but that's just my personal taste. I know better than to earnestly try to convince anyone else of this

>>10389709
I think it isn't also talked about how well Cyber does their marketing compared to everyone else. Nobody else is putting any effort besides arguably phase doing ads. Everyone else sits and twiddles their thumbs waiting for numbers and wonders why nobody knows the actual company. Cyber has done not only everything you said but is also putting out promotional videos, highlights, clips and just good social media marketing. Compare any startup agencies Twitter to Cyber to see what I mean.

>>10380158
>Why is the handwritten letter worth less than the Tweet or name in description?
Tweet has more reach
>Why is the voice pack worth more than the date?
It takes more effort to make a voice pack

>>10391363
It's been 2 years at this point and Tsunderia hasnt done anything except follow the Hololive formula in terms of how things are run and debut with less money. Despite their talents being great who differentiate themselves from Hololive's talents, the company itself hasnt done anything really different to make themselves stand out other than existing.

>>10391670
Its not really a "hololive formula" its just a generic vtuber formula. they're in no way trying to be hololive, its literally just a generic vtubing company.

i fucking hate oyu holobronies that think hololive started streaming or someshit,

>>10391836
They're the most popular do it affects the perception of everyone else. That's how the world works.

>>10391836
>they're in no way trying to be hololive
PPP goal is literally is to achieve 'Hololive quality'. Slugma mentioned how much she hated that as a goal in one of her streams.

If you don't want to be compared to Hololive then just do what Cyberlive is doing and be different.

>>10392215
How are they being different besides debut yabs and this newest 3D thing? Not trying to be a snarky bitch, I just don't see any other differences as a casual PandoraHylo fan who is aware of Lumi's existence

>>10392060
PPP is basically an idiot and 90% of his goals got dropped day 1.
But that's not being hololive, just getting to a standard which they also have.

PPP also wanted Tsunderia to be a clean family oriented group, then immediately brought in Kana.

>>10391538
PRISM has started doing things like clip contests and they are even putting out merch now so at least they started moving in the right direction.

>>10392060
I think he what he meant was the quality of the models and things like animated intro screens and MVs. Char mentioned he got into this business because he wanted to make tracking software or some shit like that, and he's infamous for not being able to communicate well, so it wouldn't be surprising.
That being said, I cannot overstate how badly I need to see Kallin and Meru trying to teach Yuuna to pop, lock, and drop it in 3D. KAM ON SLUGMA, MAKE IT HAPPEN

>>10392390
>actually run ad campaigns for their talents
>sell merchandising at affordable prices in the west a month in instead of having them wait for some big milestone
>giving them all 3D which is unheard of for an agency 3 months in
>giving them all new costumes too
>no game permission issues
>have the lowest cut out of all the agencies
>all the talents keep their live2D models if anything happens to the company
>management seems to be actually working for the talents by doing things behind the scenes instead of playing a character on twitter or denying them their freedom

and more

>>10392730
Despite Prism having my favorite girls I honestly feel like they're in the worst spot even if Shiki and Luto have better numbers than everyone else. They're debuffed hardcore by dealing with Japanese permissions autism and as already said they don't do anything to differentiate themselves besides pushing out new gens crazy fast and fucking up their memberships. Also everyone except for Shiki and Luto has shit numbers unfortunately.

>>10393601
Even Shiki for her size doesn't have great numbers.

>>10393601
Also despite having the most oil barons out of every company, Prism takes a 50% cut which is insane since you hear so much about how the girls say they dont really get paid much at all despite getting dropped tons of akasupas nonstop. Then you hear Cap talk about expanding the company and hiring more staff while the girls are struggling to pay for covers themselves and to fund everything on their own. What exactly is the company doing for them while they're steadily expanding?

>>10393819
What about Prism making them take out 0% loans so they can buy stuff like PC parts?

>>10393903
is this so insane? just means they pay for their own equipment but get an advance on it. thats by far the least of their concerns

>>10393903
While useful, that's a side perk for someone already successful looking to make an investment, not for someone scrapping by.

Its helpful sure, but what they need is hard cash first not a "loan" that serves to make PRISM money anyways. PRISM should be giving them things they need that return profits to PRISM.

getting an advance payday is a very very small benefit.

>>10393903
Why does Iku still use an average gaming Laptop?

>>10378808
>Lack of talent is the reason why chuubas have low views

>Mumei

>>10394224
She is dumb

>>10393601
>Aoi...
>Yura....
They deserve better

>>10394224
Despite being around for ages Iku is still using an old gaming laptop, Aoi still cant afford a 2nd monitor and Meno still hasnt been taught to speak closer to her mic.

What is Prism doing? I mean the three of them lives in japan so the staff could at least come and help them out too with a simple train ride.

>>10394269
Moomers is held up by the Hololive brand

>>10394036
They are making them take out loans so the COMPANY makes more money. The company should be buying them parts. Phase Connect has just been buying shit for the members since Sakana sees it as an investment. Prism is basically making the girls spend their own money to invest in the themselves and the company.

>>10394342
Yes and so are most of NijiEN and HoloEN Gen 2.

No one would give a fuck about them if they were under Cyberlive/Prism Project/Product Kawaii/Tsunderia

>>10394346
Sakana is pretty based, he doesnt have a clue what he's doing but it's clear he cares about the girls and just buys them shit to make sure they can do their jobs well and experiment with ways to improve their views. Phase really needs a 2nd gen with gamers who can take advantage of their permissions being so free and singers to attract the Holo crowd but I can see phase doing well in the future.

>>10392880
The definition of if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

>>10382829
Men are more creative.

>>10394609
Maybe it's just the first time someone took a look at the mistakes other companies made and just said "no we wont repeat that mistake"?

>>10394579
It does sorta feel like Sakana is kinda inexperienced with streaming. He knows the business side but not the content side.

>>10394579
Wish they'd wrangle the retard staff and stop referencing him 24/7
also the circlejerk surrounding him is cringe as fuck.

I'll give him that he seems to genuinely like vtubers and just want to make it a success, but PC has so many terrible problems I don't see it going anywhere ever.

>>10394858
>PC has so many terrible problems
Such as?

>>10394858
No game skill, terrible synergy (outside of Tenma/Pippa), Pippa being one bad day from going full Joker, Tenma is only entertaining because she's ESL, and as much as I like Uruka shes' really only fun to watch when she's doing musical things.

>>10394935
>Mods/staff being unprofessional as fuck in chat during streams (concernfagging, pointless chatting, policing things when they have no business policing things while the vtuber is doing the same shit on stream)
>Pippa existing
>All the streamers being pretty lack luster in general (pippa is ironically their strongest streamer and she's a timebomb who appeals to kiwifarms)
A few of the other girls are 'okay' but nobody worth investing in, maybe Uruka but despite her musical talent she's a terrible singer.
>No chemistry

I like some of them, uruka and tenma mostly. but uruka is rough as hell and will always filter people with her dumpster voice. and tenma is abbrasive as hell despite being a cute esl granny

>>10395174
>>10395136
It's amazing how people always forget about Lia when talking about Phase, which is a massive problem too.
Uruka's absolutely shit when streaming games and not using her musical talents.
Pippa funnily enough is in 100% control because she still streams and acts like her real self as notpippa. Tenma is adorable and a fun streamer and has great game picks but she's 100% trying not to grow herself because she's comfortable streaming niche indie games and staying there.
Also their japanese division is completely dead too.
Phase gen 2 really needs some incredible talent to tie them all together because they're all not that great overall.

>>10394337
The other gens debuted and left them behind

>>10392880
>ad campaigns
Every startup that I know of has run an ad campaign of some sort
>merchandise
Most startups have this as well. Tsunderia is noticeably an outlier, unless you count Kallin's rocks and Char's feet-related items
>3D
Granted
>new costumes
Tsunderia has this as well, but they've also been around the longest
>game permissions
This is a legal issue that only JP companies have to deal with
>lowest cut
That we know of. They're one of very few agencies to publicize this information, so general comparisons are impossible
>l2d and IP ownership
Goes back to the previous point. Contract items have different values based on different circumstances, and we'll never see the full contracts of any of these companies unless they're idiots and show them to prospective talents before getting them to sign an NDA, like 4v did to Terumi
>management work
You said yourself it's all behind the scenes, where fans will never see it. Unless you work with them daily, we'll never know what the managers of these companies actually do

I want to clarify and say that I don't dislike Cyberlive. I just don't understand why their management, which has had the 2nd biggest yab of any startup in recent memory, is suddenly being held up as a shining example of what a VTuber agency should be

>>10395422
I didn't forget about Lia, she just has nothing to speak of. Same with the JP side, they're all fairly boring JP streamers. Even their deer cult is actually just a really meh tier vtuber.

I don't think a gen 2 would save them, and if they were gen 1 is so problematic that i can't see it saving them. even outside of twitter canceling though, pippa being there hurts the entire brand because she willing and actively panders to the worst groups of people you can pander to, and that will naturally spread to everyone else.

>>10395695
They had their yabs but in the past few months have been proving themselves to be more competent and faster at reacting than other companies that have been around for way longer. The fact that they havent really messed up since then says a lot about how much better they are than other companies.

>>10395727
Unrelated but I heard Lia say "Ogey my Rrats" in her cooking sim stream and I had to ask myself if what I heard was real. I'm not gonna shit on her for saying that since I think she's just repeating terms she heard from another place but it caught me off guard.

>>10395905
More competent than they were at debut, absolutely. But as long as this hag exists, they'll never be the best

>>10395975
Well being /here/ is one thing, most vtubers come here here and there.
Its when you're constantly referring to it, addressing /pol/ topics, posting tweets replying to kiwifarm posts, etc... that you're starting to encourage these people.

a quick reference to 4chan memes is mostly ignorable and has plausible deniability

>>10395975
Lia's been reading 4chan and the phase connect general while freaking out and breaking down from the shit they say about her there.

>>10395422
lia has trash game picks and is bad at anything that could be interesting
i like her voice and personality but i can't watch a game stream for more than 5 mins

>>10395695
That is why anons are saying ignoring the debut yab. They turned around quick and at the very least you can't deny they are offering actual perks to being apart.

In regards to lowest cut, objectively they have the lowest. They can negotiate down to a 90%/10% cut according to the girls along with the gen 2 auditions. There is no way any of the others have that. At the very least from a chuuba standpoint they may not give you the biggest subs right off the bat yet, but they are currently providing the most assets and content to the talents.

>>10396073
Tsunderia has terrible marketing, Cyber is about to surpass their gen 1 talents who started over half a year before. Slug is great at managing I am sure but she can't market for shit

>>10396520
Tsunderia is stagnant really. Slugma say that they're profitable but for a company that's 2 years old with all their talents constantly facing max level yab events they did well to survive for that long.

>>10395136
>No game skill
I'll give you that one. Sakana knows and has mention wanting to get his own Botan.
>>10395136
Tenma/Lia
Lia/Uruka
Pippa/Uruka
>Pippa being one bad day from going full Joker,
I'll sorta give you this one as well. She's been off her meds for over a month now. Menhera are going to be menhera.

>>10395174
>Mods/staff being unprofessional as fuck in chat during streams (concernfagging, pointless chatting, policing things when they have no business policing things while the vtuber is doing the same shit on stream)
Cyberlive mods do the same shit but its even worse since all of them are from /here/. One of Lumi's mods is the manager of /pcclg/. She even had a hidden discord channel just for people from /here/
>All the streamers being pretty lack luster in general
Cyberlive is literally only Lumi and Seina who panders to spics.
>No chemistry
Pippa/Tenma, Uruka/Lia, Pippa/Uruka, Tenma/Lia

>>10396520
>terrible at marketing
they have talked about it in an AMA before, they are putting ads and such out, but there's only so much you can do. Miori's song got put out on youtube as an ad for example and they are on spotify too. but at a certain point more ads doesn't translate to anything extra and just becomes a huge waste of money (or like in shiki's case, dead subs)
You need extra magic to get successful, amd some of that is luck. But in tsunderia's case its not having your talents go on hiatus every other week. also outside of like miori and yuna, pretty much everyone is terrible at streaming. and miori and yuuna tend to spend 90% of every stream just flirting around.

>>10396119
Based menhera in the making

>>10396418
I can acknowledge their improvements while not forgetting how absolutely brainless they are capable of being. To that point, is there any info on their CEO? Only getting 10% and still able to afford models with multiple outfits and 3D on top of that means they have to have a Prism-tier bankroll

>>10396666
checked, but still no.
>but cyberlive does it too
cool but i'm talking about PC. other companies also being shit is also true, PC is sitll being terrible.

I'll give pippa/tenma.
but uruka and anyone is just awkward as hell. and the moment you add a third to pippa's grouping she goes full retard.

>>10378250
They originally "specialized" in 3d models. I wouldn't be surprised if their 3d model system is more or less built from scratch and incapable of being outsourced without transfer issues.

>>10396775
>Prism-tier bankroll
Relax. You can get a good 3d model for under $1000.

>>10378429
This. I don't give a shit about 3D, I just want a good 3D stream. They only get to use their 3D model on rare special occasions anyways.

CyberLive are just forced to think outside the box since their debuts were riddled controversies. It’s just desperate attempts to catch up to the rest.

The timing of 3D models and new costumes is important and all the other companies knows it. Do you think Hylo or CyberLive have 3D 2.0 or 4D in 6 months when no one is talking about them? Heck, maybe PRISM boss is on to something with his crypto. Have CL even planned that far ahead? While all the other agencies still got stuff to hype and talk about in the long game, fans are still eager to see new costumes and 3D models while CyberLive has played most of their cards in the first few months.

All the other small agencies will be watching to see if this will work and if it does they can respond potentially better, being first means little here. Thanks for being the guinea pig CyberLive.

>>10398013
If it's only good, a lot of people are going to be disappointed. It's not 2019 anymore. If it's not top of the shelf, it's going to get roundly criticized. I have faith in Hylo to not settle for that though

>>10378183
Remember when they ripped off the vshitshow intro?

But hey their 3D will be better than vshitshow's artgun nonsense. Probably.

>>10388255
The Chinese sweatshops are busy doing VirtuaReal's 3D.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1q3411B74t

>>10399870
>expecting somebody to click on a bilibili link
Sorry, I'm not putting Chinese spyware on my computer.

>>10396691
Yeah, ads can only do so much. How many people use some form of ad blocking that are into vtubing? So already potential people that could be interested may never see it. Then there is collaborations and it often seems that chubbas of comparable popularity kcllav with one another unless it is within the same company. Only other thing I can think of is "latching" onto other songs like what Miori did with "Black Out" and Nene did with the Mori rap song and hope an pray.

>>10400514
Tsunderia and Prism in particular have a lot of musical talent, even more than the so-called "idol" agency Hololive. The Tsunderia cover of "Gotcha!" and Miori's upcoming cover of "Red" have the most potential to draw a lot of people in, but how do you get it in front of people other than YouTube ads?

>>10400514
One thing a lot of people don't really understand is that to don't blow up because of streaming. You blow up from clips, edited highlights, music/covers, normal traditional youtube videos. Karaoke is sorta an exception. You make money from streams and you can make content for the clips/higlights while streaming but the streams themselves won't make you blow up.

>>10399969
watch this instead then

>>10402972
I forgot the link ffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xdW7XrDMZs

>>10395975
>>10396113

>>10404364
literally everyone knows Pippa browses 4chan

So why cant hololive have their 3D/

>>10394609
Their talents were whoring themselves out before the backlash made them backtrack.
Don’t trust CyberLive, especially when the talents and staff are here doing damage control.

>>10389709
tell me you don't watch anybody outside Hololive without telling me you don't watch anybody outside hololive.

lol

>>10398174
what the fuck is 4d

>>10398244
This. Vtubing 2021 is way too competitive.

>>10396520
CL grew because their talents got promoted by a 150k hololive clipper. they would have stayed stagnant otherwise.

>>10409418
I'm guessing AR or some other type of interactive medium

>>10400811
Viral marketing and word-of-mouth

>>10378183
I can have a fucking 3D debut right now as well. The real question is, does it matter to you?

>>10400811
I don't get why they don't use TikTok. I know some people don't like it and I don't personally use it, but it would be the best way to get eyes on their talent and into their streams

>>10395136
>because she's ESL
Jap ESL, this is a big magnet.

Since this thread is relatively about 3d, can I shill NijiRock 3d relay? It's happening right now and it's all free.
https://youtu.be/h067fcs_VxM

>>10409686
The importance of clippers can't be overstated. Purin has a clip from right after her debut that has 27k views and a few others in the thousands which led to some dramatic early growth, but her frequent breaks from streaming back then meant she fell out of the algorithm and hasn't recovered that momentum.
>>10410097
Some of them do. Kallin just started using hers recently, and I believe Rita has had one for quite a while.

>>10410097
A.I has millions of followers and views on her tik tok account but it doesn’t transfer over to youtube. Mori got new viewers from tik tok without even having an account because of some stupid meme shit kek Hololive are literally luckshitters.

>>10409686
I wonder if that's what pushed prism into indog pandering recently, yeah they can't SC but the importance to win indog clippers is huge, heck plenty of prismclips winners are indogs

>>10410097
tiktok is largely regional. the content you see is by default set to your region and the content you post is promoted more in your region. not all chubas are based in NA or JP, tiktok is used far less in SEA and other countries.

>>10411811
gotcha that sucks

>>10400811
>Tsunderia and Prism in particular have a lot of musical talent, even more than the so-called "idol" agency Hololive.
Its the companies fault that they're not making any traction.

>>10414898
PRISM is relatively new and the biggest of the small companies though. Even on her bad days shiki is getting 100+. Aoi was getting over a 100 CVs last night as well (though it was karaoke, her normal games are debuff games)
I think it'll implode due to terrible decisions, but as far as getting them out there it seems to be doing a decent job.

I think tsunderia just needs to push them harder, they get too complacent.

>>10378183
How much money does Cyberlive have compared to the other small companies? The streamers also own their models, so if something were to happen to Cyberlive, they can still stream without having to change much.

>>10415459
I mean, to be fair cyberlive stole the models off another company so...

>>10415533
Why are PRISMoron like this?

>>10415107
It seems like a big part of their appeal towards prospective VTubers is the fact that they don't push their signed VTubers to do much of anything. Especially given how at least one of them is on hiatus at any given time

>>10415533
Lumi showed off her concept art and talked about how she worked with her mama to create her design anon. They didnt buy their models off anyone.

>>10415107
Tsunderia needs more full-time streamers