/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>10306290
Is it really better ?

Sadly holos arent allowed to be sexy

They are in a company that actually tries to help the talents or at least doesnt try to sabotage them

>>10306394
Marine ?? also she never used that Model

>>10306394
Not good for sponsorships. Also might offend someone.

>>10306290
>better
>no mouth movement

>>10306424
Marine's model looks like an ugly goblin

>>10306290
Their main business is selling their body.
It is just proper for them to have better body than Holo.

>>10306436
It does have mouth movement.

>>10306290
Is it me or is the mouth too high up, emphasizing the chin too much?
That seems to be a common thing on twitchtubers for some reason

>>10306498
Yeah, giving me Promised Neverland vibes.

>>10306436
>no mouth movement
You just did a suicide attack by bringing up mouth movement when you have things like subaru or baelz and endless list of pngmouthtubebers

>>10306525
Neverland totally fits. So much that I can't unsee.

Why the fuck do Vshojo girls keep downgrading their models?
Every single one had a better one before they joined compared to what they got after.

>>10306593
Corporate orders

>>10306593

https://youtu.be/Lpzwp_mtFx4
How can anyone compete

>>10306593
>new=bad

>>10306593
vei's previous model....
mspaint dates...

>>10306593
they have a bimbofication fetish

>>10306593
THIS.
3d pink hoodie vei>L2D new vei
Mouse before all the models>>>>mouse now
3d Mel>>> L2D new mel
The rest I don't give a damn about.

>>10306290
You expecting Hololive to be competent is your first problem

>>10306714
>>10306664

>>10306290
Why does she look like she's designed by Shad?

>>10306593
Because they are women and they want to change.

>>10306767
It's a fact.

Her mouth sync seems way off but that wouldn't be a model thing would it?

>>10306593
more outfits = more hype, but you can't ask the same person to work themselves to dead for new outfits, so they end up variating from good to very bad because of the lack of art consistence

>>10306498
I think it's more that she tilts her head up frequently, but the mouth could be slightly lower

>>10306290
Melody is honestly less whore and more professional than everyone in NijiEN and HoloEN with the exclusion of Kiara, who is just a dyke

>>10306593
Nyan's, Mouse's and Zen's improved drastically though?
And while Vei's old 3D model was good, her 2D one is still very good

>>10306290
>can't even get half a typical Minecraft stream numbers
Even if I grant you it's better, you don't watch her, so who cares?

>>10306714
Have you seen the tracking on Mouse's old model? You have to be a huge nostalgiafag to tihnk it was better

>>10306436
Today I will remind them

>>10306947
>Mouse's
>improved drastically
get out

>>10306700
Based
There's no better fetish

>>10306770
Slugbox was my first thought

>>10307007
>>10306978
Mouses tracking/rigging was always and always will be shit.

>>10306987
>duck gets better outfit but the most shit rigging
>the best rigging she has is her original outfit that she hates
Duck is cursed...

>>10306971
>>can't even get half a typical Minecraft stream numbers
Same can be said for anyone in holo though
Numbers nosedive if it's not another Minecraft stream for kids

>>10306987
Seriously, does Holo have a nepotism shtick going on with their riggers? Indie ones are far superior to whatever they shit out

>>10307030
Still better than 90% of holo

>>10307087
Idgaf I watch Nijisanji and JP indies that mog the shit out of whatever you like.

>>10307063
Outfit reveals are huge boosters. Melody seems to be the black sheep of VShojo.

>>10306290
no beaucracy? corpobitches need to get permission to do anything.

>>10306652
>I'm like a funko pop, but better!
I just puked a little, silver why??

>>10306290
better than irys maybe

>>10306290
labor of love vs work for hire

>>10306842
I've noticed that corporate vtubers tend to keep the same artist; either they also have a vtuber presence or make their bank on gatcha and light novel illustrations so it seems like a mutually beneficial contract to keep making outfits for the publicity.
Either Vshojo's vtubers are paying for them out of their own pockets or Vshojo has been shit at managing contracts for artists and riggers. I remember froot and melody having issues with control over their model or design.

>>10307136
She was top 20 on pornhub for a while before she moved to onlyfans.

>>10307350
>implying vshojo manages artists and riggers
They're ENTUM, not Hololive anon.

>>10306290
Is she gonna use this model for her lewd streams? This is very important.

>>10307136
I think that's a big part of the reason for 2d, it'll allow her to stream for longer on twitch and gain more of an audience there. She gets most of her numbers and money on the other site. This is still a big boost for her on twitch as it's around double her usual viewers.

>>10306394
t. only watches holoEN

>>10307087
that's a given though.

>>10307021
I'm not even kidding

>>10307486
what the fuck is that shit in the middle
hoshikawa???

>>10307223
seethe

>>10307410
she'll still be using her 3D one for hat
but one of her subathon goals is making a 3D version of her live2D, so yes, in a way

>>10307166
And on the other hand, the corpo has the money and the connections to hire really famous artists.

>>10307544
not good riggers though, apparently

>>10307486
milk truck just arrive

Who has the highest number of outfits in hololive nijisanji and vshojo

>>10307350
>I remember froot and melody having issues with control over their model or design.
never heard of this, only prolems i know they had was melody with her 3d modeller that went full schizo but vshojo gave her legal support and it ended there, froot draws her own models so the only problem is the rigger that is one of the best and is busy as fuck

>>10306290
When the only thing you have to offer is sex, the priority is to show the whore model.

>>10307383
If its up to the individual vtuber then that might explain why the quality of the models are so shit.

snuffy has fat tits

>>10307544
>spend all the money on artists
>get shit designs
>get shit rigs
>die off within the first couple of weeks
Cover missing the trees for the rainforest as always.

>>10307590
ironmouse has like 7 models or more in the works and already have like 6 i think

>>10307590
Ironmouse
I doubt it's even close and she has more coming

>>10306290
Their models are better but their personalities are still shit. Once a whore always a whore.

>>10307605
We checked and can confirm this post is correct

>>10307649
Mel's a sweetheart

>>10307590
Dola has 10 if I'm remembering right Alice does as well. Putting Hololive on there isn't even a contest since even Animare has more costumes per person than Fubuki does now.

>>10307560
>>10307607
Funny, veibe has the same 2D rigger as kronii.

>>10307649
mel is cool, also i donìt understand why you keep wasting time shitting on her, she didn't quit when she had her whole platform and mainstream media shitting on her she 200% will not give a fuck about retards on 4chan lmao

>>10307649
but whores are based though

>>10307591
Froot had that one Ex who claimed she ripped off his own donut steel i recall, was a bit of a nothingburger but still.
Even though melody resolved her legal issues, I think we probably wont get a new 3D for a while and we wont see upgrades (new movements and bouncy bits) for the current nor old 3D model as a result of the legal dispute.

>>10307694
and her models shit, your point?

>>10307486
I hope nyanners ends up looking like the right one

>>10306290
Funny considering that the best facial rigging currently is a strictly family friendly streamer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnDbZJMcV8

riggers

>>10307080
yes, see Shin Umiushi
>Matsuri casual clothes
>Coco new year
>Gura base model
>Anya base model
>even worse on Gura's 2nd model, made the most basic mistakes.
>somehow outdone himself with Anya's. Made her look like she's wearing a mask of her own face

>>10307763
wdym she got like 4 new 3d outfits since that thing happened and one less than a month ago

>>10307789
expect veibe graduation soon?

>>10306394
Made for British Broadcasting Company

>>10307827
All of them bits from melware, also the toms have been replaced too.

>>10307789
wrong
it0s one of the best live2d models on the market

>>10307716
>>10307728
You just know the West is doomed when a whore who cums in front of thousands of people is seen as a "sweetheart."

>>10307763
>>10307827
And literally got upgraded jiggle physics like a month ago too

>>10307869
yeah sure dude, the west is failing because of women have more sex, not because of worker rights being stiffled, nature being fucked by the industry, copyright laws, political nepotism etc.

>>10307863
>he says with his entire knowledge of the market being like 30 people
tenkaiji's old model was better than hers and it was made in like a week with people who had almost no experience in live2d

>>10306593
>Why the fuck do Vshojo girls keep downgrading their models?
Established brand vs Establishing a brand
Established brands can get away with anything.
Someone trying to build a brand needs to give it their all and go above and beyond just to get noticed.

>>10307869
Cool story Mahmud

>>10306593
Because vtuber fans love [NEW] things, and it's a great way to get a huge dose of income and people talking about you if you just shit out costumes. See; Niji shitting out a group every 3-4 weeks for the entirety of 2019

the mouths and eyes need to be even closer together than they already are

>>10307854
freaky!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy5CPTzh8Wg
https://youtu.be/gBcqoUPq5RY?t=40

also no one has any detailed response as to why they don't like mel's model

>>10308818
>also no one has any detailed response as to why they don't like mel's model
She's in VShojo

>>10306436
Mouth movement is the worst thing you could bring up, Holo models are really bad for it

>>10308589
We found it, the last based man on vt

>>10309057
least*, sorry

>>10308932
I've been wondering about that. Is it bad rigging or just a case of outdated software? Off the shelf face tracking apps that indies can use are getting better, while the in-house apps that holo and niji use seem to be falling behind.

>>10308589
It's scary how right you are. It's known that monogamy is the foundation of civilization and without it it's simply going to fall.

Looks cute as fuck to me

>>10306987
I always wondered why there were riggers out there for models when they look so goddamn simple. I now understand that I was looking at bad rigs, and snuffy's shows how much detail and precision you can actually put into one

>>10308880
>bad because association, nothing to do with the model
hey alright

>>10306290
Hololive uses its own proprietary in-house live2D engine. In fact, that (their stupid little iphone app) is basically the whole and only"technological asset" this "tech company" posesses. (Its main asset nowadays is of course rather the intangible brand value the talents themselves have built over time, what's commonly known as the "Hololive buff").
And the model tech that Cover developed was maybe fine in 2018 or whatever at the latest, but is nowadays horribly outdated, cumbersome, more a detriment than a benefit, and lagging behind competitors. There are various third party live2D programs now that could run circles around Cover's, but the company isn't gonna use them and rather clings to their own (see above, they think they would lose their "unique" advantage), and Cover also doesn't make it available for others to use (ironic, seeing as how their actual "vtuber entertainment" operations basically only started as a "use case demonstration" for the tech they developed, and only later grew a life of its own and got bigger than /changed the original company purpose).
You see the inadequacy of Cover's tech in how much (or how little) additional assets and animated props a vtuber can use. Other vtubers with third party apps can freely and quickly integrate stuff that actually moves with their model (imagine that!), while the Holos, unless its part of the official company-sanctioned model bi-annual model update, have to stick to pasting still images over their model. It's embarassing, really, from the supposed "industry leader". Another thing holding them back is the agency structure and management. A Holo can't really commission model updates on her own initiative (and even if she could, Cover's closed tech makes sure it all has to go through company approval), but has to wait arbitrarily because model updates are usually only doled out slowly on a per generation-basis. Sure, this approach may ensure that "everybody gets the same" and no one gets preferential treatment (for example, the richer/more popular Holos getting more upgrades or buying them for themselves, while the poorer/unpopular ones get left behind) and prevent some ingroup conflict, but on the other hand, then basically everyone is just equally unhappy about their stuff, with no way of fixing it themselves.

>>10306593
Nyan's new model is so much better though

>>10306394
Then why does towa make my dick hard

>>10309720
because towa is atractive. but she's not sexy, there's a difference.

Isn't Vshojo barely a corporation? Aren't they kinda just a group of people that want to develop a "brand" to mutually grow eachother? Is that why some of them just get as many outfits as they want to commission from people? Seems kinda unfair to slam holo if that's the case, they have rules

>>10306290
Compensating
It's exactly the same thing as how all hot tub streamers have to offer are their bodies
And if you need any proof that there is an audience for this kinda shallow thing just look at this retard >>10306394

>>10309944
They're CyberZ. Owned by a company, but pretend like they aren't owned by a company.

>>10310028
right, corporates are also compensating by joining a company to market them

>>10310160
But they're not owned, all of their property is their own, if they leave VShojo they just carry on with the same name and model

>>10310028
Didn't I see a thread the other day full of holobronies complaining about how all the swimsuits got taken away?

>>10308589

>>10306290
Only thing I don't like is the black thing on her nose, but even her 3D model has it

>>10308818
How is her mouth tracking so good? I've actually never seen another Live2D model with tracking that good

>>10309219
Some of it is just the ability for the camera or camera software to pick up the details, and the vtuber being able to make those expressions on stream.

>>10307907
>he thinks social problems don't have moral fault as starting point
Succumb.

anon, those two things aren't exactly separated

Her live2D is very high quality. She really got a passion for this.

>>10310301
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that buddy.

>>10312487
Ok, I'll keep dealing in facts and you keep dealing in your paranoid delusions

Something about the face seems off.

I wonder if she can do lewd stuff with this, like show her tits. I know there's several lewd 3D vtubers but has anyone commissioned a nude Live2D?

>>10312794
90s anime chin

>>10306290

I don't like the mouth, it is too smiley. Other than that it is great.

>>10310994
that's true, but holo is fucking huge, they shouldn't (and don't) have a problem getting top notch cameras and programs, so it feels kinda inexcusable

>>10307486

She swaps between them though right? It's nice when they have some variety. Snuffy is just addicted to having as many models as possible.

>>10306770
That looks nothing like shad's style. Do your fundies, artlet.

>>10308589
>Marxist-Feminism is, like all communism, a power grab to enslave the poor and enrich the rich at the expense of society as a whole.
I wonder when will people grab a dictionary to see what the word communism means

>>10306418
>Someone on /vt/ defending defending Gunrun of all people

>>10308589
"Why yes I do edit MGTOW TikTok compilations for YouTube."

>>10313043
>"Whenever some does something that I don't like"

>>10306290
cant explain why, but this new model and BGM has me nostalgic over something and i cant figure out why

>>10306290
I know Hololive is a low bar but please, Melody's L2D is garbage.

>>10313554
It does sound reminiscent of a lot of anime game menu BGM.

>>10313573
again, what's so bad about it? Some Holos have unconnected parts and assets and the faces are warped when they turn a certain direction. Elaborate and explain why Mel's is bad

>>10313669
The mouth tracking isn't great, but, that may be operator error rather than something about the rig itself.

>>10307869
lol ok gramps

>>10308589
>Marxist-Feminism is, like all communism, a power grab to enslave the poor and enrich the rich at the expense of society as a whole. This is why immigrants have to be imported en mass to keep the economic machine from collapsing because women are too busy going to school and working while an increasingly disenfranchised number of men fuck off to play vidya and watch anime tiddies. The end result is cultural anarchy and civil war.
That's Capitalism. You are literally describing Capitalism as it is happening right now.

>>10314296
B-b-b-b-but the free market just needs a chance to work anon...

>>10306618
Design/coloring reminds of me cartoonnetwork, was that ben 10

>>10306290
kek what a taste shithead

>>10306290
Because cover is a shit company.

Nijiniggers falseflagging as Vshofags because they know Holo gets better numbers in everything and now has to cope with models.

>>10323034
No, Anycolor is

>>10306290
>>10306618
What the hell is that, it looks awful

>>10313746
I was assuming not user error because Mel has always been pretty good at physical comedy and being expressive with her usual model

Rigger here. The priorities of western and eastern companies are completely different because of different goals and surprisingly different audiences that have different fundamental needs. There's a lot to unpack, but it effectively boils down to this:
>West has typically 3D models first because of VRChat prominence before Live2D became more desired thanks to the Hololive boom, and those 3D models are typically lower quality and had commonality in certain elements since the 3D model was made without a high quality 2D reference
>Japan is the opposite, although vtubing had a rise with Kizuna AI who was 3D, it was incredibly inconvenient to do what she did, so Live2D became big first and 3D was considered the high level production, especially with high quality models based accurately on well known artist's work
>Whatever comes second is considered the big deal as a result, and more money is spent on that
>Since western audience considers L2D a bigger deal, they make more of a fuss when it comes to the details and quality of L2D models

>>10309155
> a case of outdated software?
Hololive's software is apparently really bad compared to the competition. I think you can set up a webcam and do it yourself with free tracking software better than their paid software.

>>10306290
thread over bros, amebee just debuted...

>>10306987
Also, a reminder that Snuffy isn't a Vshojo. She's indie on an indie streamer's money.

Down grade in all sense.

>>10309520
>In fact, that (their stupid little iphone app) is basically the whole and only"technological asset" this "tech company" posesses.
hey don't forget about the amazing table tennis game they made: https://store.steampowered.com/app/495520/Ping_Pong_League/

Hololive is based. VShojo isn't.

>>10325457
The only response that matters

Because Japanese riggers suck, and a lot of Japanese artists don't (or refuse to) properly clip and draw/redraw parts properly.

>>10306971
>>10307063
>>10307136

This is almost double her normal numbers

>>10325036
Indie on an Indie streamer's money that's probably as much if not more than some of the Nijis.

>>10326325
Also it appears to be a complete success in raking in subs

>>10309219
Part of it is also the program they use. Holo and niji's custom apps are not as good as vtube studio is. vtube studio can take an average facerig model and make it stupendous looking

>>10327227
I don't get they don't just buy a proprietary version from one of the handful of Live2D app creators

>>10327348
Probably a mixture of sunken cost fallacy with how much they've spent on their own apps and phones and not wanting to pay the license fees to somebody else.

>>10312975
Yeah she swaps models all the time. Usually she uses the more normal looking l2d.

>>10307630
Chat needs to have an intervention for her addiction

>>10306290
Hololive changed the direction of Vshojo for the better, and I like what I'm seeing. A re-focus on what content should be, the expectations from fans, and a slight reframing on their role as content creators. Vshojo may not be idols, and for some, they never will be, but they have slowly inched towards a model more similar to Japanese agencies. We may have joked about "the black ships" a year ago with the advent of HoloMyth, but right now we're feeling the effects of japanese v-tubing changing the west's perception of it.

Compare the western lewdtubers of 2020 that drew their inspiration from Vshojo, and the newly minted small corpos and indies of 2021. There is a clear cultural difference between both, even if those two DO intersect from time to time. Puritans of JP fans and coomers of EN fans might complain about this emerging synthesis, but the Purification of the West is through the idolification of your e-thots. You WILL wear the dress and you WILL sing on stage.

>>10306428
Also just boring to look at. If I want to look at porn I'll just watch actual porn.