/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>62837007
>>62837016
>>62837128
> now prove my point for me
> no, I'm not going to make any effort
truly the laziest audience of them all

>>62618700
like streamers like fans

>>62337710

>>62324200

>>61439840

>>60478300

hmmm...

>>57990591
Tempus has zero concept of "unity" anon.
Their biggest talent was a guy who fucked off from group collabs frequently.
Pic rel is always true, and that applies to the entire branch as well.

>>57618333
Yes, which is why Vesper being "anti unity" was what hurt him the most.
Also why the majority of his current fans are anti unity.

>>56830758
>seething 2view fans
aren't they? lel
>>56830733
I remembered picrel

>>54359866
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This happens to Nijisanji because of a few reasons -

> Nijisanji business model is fundamentally flawed and incentivizes internal competition.
Nijisanji's model from waaay back when they started to how they're running things now is based upon giving people as many niches as possible, while still being within the "nijisanji" ecosystem. Similar to Cover, their initial plan was just to have the Nijisanji platform be an "app" and let prospective livers use it in order to spread it's name. They were never really geared towards being a talent agency, and even after all these years that has not really changed that much.
This method of "niche" audiences means that collabs are quite difficult to organize. Niche audiences are niche for a reason, and don't really mix well with other niche audiences for niches they don't care for. And so when collabs happen, there will inevitably be some amount of gear grinding. Sometimes it settles down after 2-3 collabs, but sometimes the niches are so incompatible that the livers can't really collab without the two fanbases burning each other.

> (NijiEN specific issue) "Family"
On top of this clusterful, NijiEN adopted the "family" model of group dynamics, where every single liver is peer pressured into joining the "group" and "having fun".
This model worked for perhaps the first two girls-only generations due to similarities in vibes (and being mostly watched by ex-Myth fans, who simply ignored livers if they didn't like them), but once Luxiem came into the picture, the audience ratio HEAVILY shifted towards them, pushing out the original audience and sparking an internal conflict that basically created the current Nijisanji culture seen today.
As more and more livers debuted, the lines between niches was blurred, and yet the cracks between the audience simply continued to widen, leading to today's toxic nijifan culture.

> Niji livers rarely tardwrangle their fanbase
The biggest controversy that NijiEN had was when Vox's yumes burned Reimu at the stake for invading what was supposed to be a "private" stream between Vox and his audience.
The response to that from Vox basically sums up why Nijisanji fans are the way that they are -
Vox initially shits on his fanbase, tells them that anyone harassing Reimu is not his fan, and draws strict lines between him and the audience, saying he's not their actual boyfriend and shit like that.
Mere DAYS later, he backpedals on all of that, cries about loving his audience just as they love him, and puts up yet another NSFW ASMR stream.
No tards were wrangled that day, and Nijisanji livers just don't seem to have an idea about how to wrangle their fanbase into doing or not doing things.
Holos have perfected this skill to an artform, they always address their fans when they do something bad, but they always allow the bad actors some amount of wiggle room to save their ego. "I know none of my fans would do something like that, but some people were apparently harassing another streamer I collabed with, and I would like that to stop.", and indirect shit like that.
And once they say that, anyone disregarding it will immediately be considered by the rest of the fanbase as an anti, because they OBVIOUSLY didn't watch their oshi's stream or they would've heard her talking about it.
Nijisanji livers on the other hand, they are always direct and straightforward with their fanbase, saying "You fuckers harassed that girl I collabed with didn't you!? Shame on you!" and there's maybe like 10% of the actual harassers there watching, while 90% of their regular fans are just confused as fuck wondering why they're suddenly being scolded.

> Nijisanji's fanbase primarily consists of women and teenagers
These are the hardest demographics to "control" because their entire personality consists of doing the opposite of what they are told. This is also the reason that Niji livers' DIRECT pleas to their audience almost never works out, because if teenagers and women are told to stop, they will simply keep doing it just to troll your ass.
Kids and Ojisans are a lot more well behaved, especially if they're in a community that doesn't tolerate toxicity.

And finally
> Fanbase reflects the talent
A lot of Niji livers just aren't good people. They will use the excuse of "banter" to straight up shit on other livers, and then call you out for "not being able to take a joke" if they ever get pushback (which they rarely will due to this reason).
Some of them also go to extremely uncomfortable places with their banter on streams, e.g. Nina shitting on Pomu's "dying channel". Many chuubas have gone menhera over numbers, and some have even graduated over not having enough, so such topics aren't really comfortable for the audience - even if the livers themselves are fine with it.
More importantly, the lack of a "line" with jokes means that the audience never perceives that there's any limits to how much they "joke around".

>>54117200
Fans resemble their oshi

>>54111248

>>53530164
This behavior starts at the top anon. Pic very much related.
JP homos were VERY vocal in shitting on supposed "fans" who were spamming their names in both the streams of holo girls and other streamers. This is also the reason most of them still have a healthy amount of goodwill among Hololive fans (which admittedly did get a bit eroded when they introduced the streaming overlap rule for their benefit).
EN homos have never even acknowledged that this might be an issue. Even raiding the girls on occasion. Their audience naturally takes after them.

JP chuubas and fans are generally accepting of the fact that different audiences have different tastes and rules, and the good ones always try their best to respect these rules when two different communities collide.
EN homos won't even acknowledge the fact that their audience is not that of HoloEN. To do so would be a mark of shame for them, and they're too prideful from their first month in order to do that.

A problem will never be solved unless it is acknowledged. Homos will never acknowledge that the audience difference even exists, and hence it will never be solved.

>>51809474
Peak retardation.
>>51809424
How new? I've had that option back since last week already.

>>51327175

>>50860512
it's quite simple

>>49860490

>>49793520
Fans reflect the streamer after all.

>>49055949

>>48077915
Phasefags being absolute cunts didn't clue you in?

>>47954647
it will be condoned by the livers either way, so there won't be much of a difference between the two

>>47638012
>Blaming others for bad performances despite all the proof that she is definitely not good with FPS anymore
Fans sure do resembles their oshit.
If your oshit doesn't improve herself, she might be as good as Ollie value wise in the future.