/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71274410

>>64561262
>CLASSMATES

>>49608867
Yes and it has been repeated endlessly by the talents

>>44067685
Omega and homobeggars make peaceful coexistence impossible. Either they go or we do.

>>36988184
It would've worked if they didnt break the bro code and never collabed with the girls. I was watching them daily pre-coed collabs and I'm a fucking unicorn.

>>36843686

>Why do you dislike male collabs?
There are really two main answers that unicorns will give. The first is the "CGDCT" (cute girls doing cute things) answer--essentially, many people watch Hololive for a comfy feeling of cute anime girls interacting with each other and providing a moe feeling (pic related), in the same way that many popular anime and manga like K-ON, Gochiusa, and Yuru Yuri (which all have entirely female main casts and, at most, a couple male side characters that are usually fathers, teachers, etc.) do; for CGDCT fans, males "ruin the vibe". The other group, of course, is gachikoi fanbase who have a romantic attachment to their oshi; these fans tend to prefer solo streams to collabs (even all-girl collabs) and are jealous of the men who get to play with their oshi for free, which is an entirely natural impulse and no different from getting jealous of your high school crush hanging out with boys that aren't you.

>Just don't watch the streams with male collabs in them.
This works for many "soft" unicorns, but even then it's an imperfect solution. Most Hololive talents focus primarily on solo streaming and will only have so many collabs in a given week, so more male collabs probably means fewer all-girl collabs--unless they just decide to hold more collabs, which then cuts into solo streaming.

>You can't control what the girls do.
Of course, only Cover and EN management can do that, but we are free to voice discontent at someone who had gone over a year (Kronii) or two years (Ame) without male collabs suddenly pivoting to doing them. I don't condone harassment but I strongly suspect that there have been very few incidents of actual harassment and that those are being used to smear everyone who doesn't like male collabs.

>But the JP girls collab with males!
There are 35 active members of the main Hololive (JP) branch. Of those, only a few actually collab with male vtubers on a semi-frequent basis. Prior to the debut of Gen 3 (which was when Hololive started to really shift into an idol direction), more talents collabed with males like Subaru and Miko, but they haven't done this years and are not going to collab with males again in the foreseeable future. And with talents like Fubuki, those male collabs are held once every few months, whereas Mori, Kronii, Ame, and Bae have been collabing with Tempus almost weekly, and in some cases more than once a week.

>You're just an incel/maidenless/have no female friends.
No shit, Sherlock. Of course the people who are watching moving anime avatars talk and play video games for hours and have crushes on said anime avatars probably aren't getting laid and probably also don't have many real-life friends, and of course these are the people buying Kronii's dakimakuras and oppai mousepads. Most of culture and society rejects this demographic, but Hololive has catered to them for years, and now parts of HoloEN are suddenly shifting away from them towards a different audience.

Why do people hate this?

>>32736245

Regardless of how you feel about collabs between Tempus and HoloEN/HoloID, the trajectory of the past month and a half suggests that despite almost two years of interactions, HoloJP and HoloEN are growing more and more distant in their cultures. HoloJP has, if anything, been leaning more and more into appealing to gachikoi and towards fans who are only interested in watching the girls; at this point, the only ones who collab with males outside of special events are Fubuki, Suisei, Matsuri, and Towa, and the first three of those only do so once every few months. Meanwhile, a faction of HoloEN (Mori, Bae, Ame, Kronii), in league with HoloID (especially Ollie and Kobo) is pushing for closer Tempus integration, with more collabs and openly telling unicorns to fuck off. At some point, even casual fans will start to notice how different the main branch is from the side branches and start to ask questions, like "why can't Tempus play Rust?" More and more western collab beggars will start to complain about HoloJP, and any EN holdouts (e.g. Gura) and how they're "pandering to incels" and "excluding the males". Whenever JP fans catch wind of this, they'll fight back. Then one of the super-online talents--I think Ollie will be the catalyst for this--will openly call out "idol culture" and criticize the JP way of doing things. Cover normally lets the HoloIDs do their own thing but this will be a step too far for them, and she gets suspended, causing an even bigger backlash from Western casual fans. And that's how the final yab starts.

>>32032078
>>32032153
I doubt it'll become a regular thing like NijiEN.
Mori is the most open to male collabs and even for her it's been a rarity over the past 2 years.

My question is moreso how much of it is because holofans hate male interaction and how much of it is because no one gives a fuck about StarsJP so they skip the collab.

Obviously the hololive brand is still CGDCT and they won't change that, but maybe males aren't as numbers poison as initially thought. I'm surprised how much I've enjoyed the few collabs that's happened so far.

>>31977224

>>31871921
>streamer
>idol culture
pic related is the actual reason
males collab are an antithesis to this vibe

>Is this Hololive's appeal?
This is why homobegging will never work and management will never let it happen.
I really like the boys and I don't mind the occasional collab, but complete integration of Stars in Hololive will change this unique dynamic and seriously affect Hololive's appeal.
The boys have their own dynamic too that girls affect as well.