/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>790869
Wasn't her career at least partially born here?

>>331837
>I've actually written up a document on the matter. I wanted to present it on stream sometime, but I'll talk about it a little. Pre-Tokino Sora, there was little to no VTuber culture. There wasn't a defined guideline, glossary, or prerequisite. You could call rantsonas VTubers, or even VRchat streamers. Post-Sora, though, it lead to quite of a bit of modernization. When the industry follows the recipe that Holo/Niji have brought on, and there are now expectation on what an Idol VTuber is and isn't, there is a VTuber Culture.
As a holofag, I have to say something.
HOLOLIVE IS NOT THE END ALL OF VTUBERS. THEY STARTED BY COPYING EVERYONE POPULAR AT THEIR TIME. THEY'RE JUST BLESSED BY THE FUCKING STARS WITH MAX LUCK
Sora was literally saved by pic related, go look up her numbers before, and those were with having a previous NND fanbase. Tsukino Mito was actually the one who popularized vtubers in Japan, and Nijisanji is actually very removed from the idol formula of hololive, although it WAS the latter who got popular in the west after Miko's GTA stream and hololive's more general clipworthy content over Nijisanji's. And even then, the normal japanese vtubers like Virtual Gorilla are still more known than hololive in Japan.
Though, given that your point can be said to be success in the west (since that's the market most /auds/ regulars aspire to here), you may be right, but.
>Remember that success had only been achieved by VTubers that abide by or stick around the idol culture.
Explain VShojo then. Their formula was just having fun (and lots of sex jokes), but Ironmouse, Nyanners and Melody are two of the best streamers in the west, with Melody arguably being the one who popularized the concept on this side of the sea, and while I hate Nyanners, nobody can't deny she's not absolutely enjoying herself during most of her streams, and their numbers also reflect that if you care about those.

>>331837
>although twitch has better discoverability.
While it's my opinion, I feel that this is what up-and-coming vtubers need more. For YouTube you have to learn how to feed the algorithm if you want to go anywhere, and that only works when you have a big following.

>>229473