/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>20424650
>jewfaqg admitting it's all about them.
>and trying to pretend they're the victims when they were one of the first groups to pick their territory.
Move aside deadbeats, the real jews have shown up.

Okay, I was expecting issues with the agreement between /∞/ and risu, but I'll try and bring some more clarity to what happened.
You can call me /∞/'s diplomat, I'm not /∞/'s repm Archivebud, but I'll do a better job of explaining the sitution given I'm the one who negotiated risu becoming a protectorate of /∞/ and I was given authority by Archivebud on diplomatic matters. So let me try and clear up misconceptions given our past behavior hasn't been doing us any favors.

>>19949094
First off, the conversation between you and Archievebud is distorting facts by claiming that Risu become a protectorate as a result of a military incursion or gunboat diplomacy. This is clearly not the case, if you follow the records. Specifically the first contact post.

>>19871646
>I didn't see any lore for your thread, so j wanted to see if you guys were interested in joining [/vtwbg/].
The first question was if they were interested in joining /vtwbg/. If they said yes, that ends the discussion and we get another player.

>If not, would you mind if you become a protectorate of /∞/? You're still your own country, but we'd make sure you aren't conquered.
The second question was a direct question and why. No coercion or deception. Again, risu could have said no and the discussion would have ended there. But said they just didn't have anyone who would have the autism to take part. So this lead to a conformation question.

>Then could I get your approval for /∞/ to turn Risu's land into a protectorate where they'd run it for you in game?
Which again, Risu could have declined, but they responded by saying /∞/ could do what they want. In this sitution, one could argue /∞/ could outright annex risu, however /∞/ stuck to the original agreement. /∞/ also intentionally delayed making the announcement of the agreement to see if anyone else in risu had an opinion. But no one did.

So that is how Risu became a protectorate of /∞/.
Also for transparency, I asked in the previous thread as well, but only got the response 'Lore". So I made a second attempt to get a definitive yes or no on if risu wanted to get involve in /vtwbg/, and if not, if they could become a protectorate. No pressure, no show of force, just asking if they wanted to get involved.

>Moving the island to the east.
It was always in the east, this was always the agreement, the fact you are trying to use this as an excuse to open old wounds and time loops makes me question you motives.
However, if it's over the isolationism, it was one of the original justifications, I won't deny that. However the second reason, internal conflict, not only more than makes up for it, but recent events show it's 100% legitimate for how /∞/ still manages to not be a world threat. In fact making risu a protectorate could inflame domestic tensions like >>19952644 >>19954468 suggested.

>advanced technology
Which is now a completely moot point with the introduction of magic and Chuubanite.

As for the canal, It's very clear this will be a multi decade project and I like the idea of the isolationist extremists conspiring with any government that is against the canal's construction attempting to sabotage it, you have to admit that is a good world event. And it would be great to have an event that is not war.

However, I am curious if the world is in 18th century technology, how does everyone nation already know about the canal plans? It strikes me as odd that there's 21st century communication in this game. Can I get a reasonable in game explanation given we're in an era where it takes weeks and months for messages to be sent?

Or the fact why /∞/ constantly gets singled out for everything action they take for the crime of staying involved. When /who/ announced they took over part of /uuu/ and /uuu/ ceased to exist >>/9687899 and /cgl/ openly their declared their plans to conquer their neighbors. >>19299826 it was met with crickets. Consistency would be nice.

>>18920928
For reference here was the original territorial claim map.

>>18920960
Nuefag didn't have it either, he just uploaded the map to the program and just manually altered stuff.

>>18802040
>>18802250
>>18802349
Playing devil's advocate then.
/inf/ requested their island space extremely early on and it was listed on one of the first maps that marked territorial claims. Furthermore, they put in the effort of making their own territory and listening to feedback rather than just demand everyone else do the work for them. This makes them an exception to the rule rather than something everyone can cite as precedent if they want their own island.

It wouldn't radically change the map because they took into account the climate system with their placement of the island. Meaning the ocean current and weather systems wouldn't be affected. As for trading, there's still a major distance between Hololive territory and the small corpo and Indies. Either they can use /inf/ as a waypoint, making it easier for less advanced countries to cross the ocean, or bypass /inf/.

You could claim there was a deadline they missed but that was more nuefag just acting unilaterally to get things moving. /inf/ could easily argue that they should have been given a deadline or have someone post in their general to submit the island. /nasa/ got screwed over by this similar this lack of communication >>18802590. But the major difference is /nasa/ didn't stake out territory already. /inf/ did. You can also make the argument that the extra work required to fix the map is on nuefag acting unilaterally and just dolling out territory.

We should also look at this from reducing potential shitposting. A good majority of people here are fine with giving /inf/ their island because of the unique circumstances. But even with that, it can still be veoted by a single person. If this happens, wouldn't it just give ammo to claim that anything a group does is meaningless since nuefag can just ignore the general consensus of thread and do what he wants? I know >>18802349 is being morbid, but it does bring up a good point that people could be turned away from helping because they don't want their work thrown out by a single tripfag even if a vast majority of people like their work and want it in.

>>18680938
Is everyone forgetting that infinity staked out that territory early on and no one threw a fit?

>>17952643
Did the people here know about the original plan to create our own land mass off the east coast of hololive territory?
Also to call that an archipelago is really stretching it.
Compare the area you staked out, to what we could have.

Where should we place our town, /yeah/?

>Invitation letter to other generals
Welcome, delegate anons from each threads and generals.
Simply begin by providing backstories, lore, and interesting trivia about the history of your general and/or thread and help visualize it in the form of worldbuilding.
After you are comfortable with the basic lore of your general-nation, theorize which terrain, climate, and neighboring border generals suit your nation's needs.
Here is the provided map of climates and spheres of influence: >>17765778
It can help giving where the rough congregation of influence should be (IE which threads go where)
If you wish to place yourself elsewhere on the map in relative position to the general sphere, you are allowed. As long as you provide valid backstory as precedent to your decision.
Image provided is the portions of land claimed so far. Do not be alarm, /∞/'s borders is a rough estimate of where their island will be placed. They are not a Borg Cube.

last test map with some territories map guy made

>>17403485
woops, left out a bit
compared to everything else it does feel like a lot, though. Might shrink in the future, or everyone might just take more land.