/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>76755632
What kind of "infrastructure" do you think is needed to play Metal Gear and get 41k people watching you anon?
What kind of "infrastructure" is needed to get 30k people to tune in to you just playing Minecraft on 100+ streams?
What kind of "infrastructure" is needed to get 20-30k viewers on most of her other streams, even the debuff ones?
What kind of "infrastructure" is needed to tell your mom that you're a VTuber and get a 120k stream from it? And what special "infrastructure" is needed to commission a simple fucking artist (which even Moona is able to do) and get a 2D Model for her which gave her a 180k+ stream, higher than every single Hololive debut?

Fact of the matter is, the EN side just doesn't have a talent on the level of Pekora.
If that were all, then sure, you could just dismiss it. Pekora is some super ultra genius and it's maybe unfair to compare ENs or other JPs to her.
But she's not the only one.
Miko is getting similar numbers.
Subaru is getting similar numbers.
Aqua is getting similar numbers.
Korone and Mio are getting slightly less but still around 15k-20k on their streams.

Myth themselves were getting similar numbers. Gura had 30k streams, Kronii had 30k streams. Ina was STABLE TAKO DESTINATION getting 10k no matter what the fuck she played.
So it's not that they CAN'T get it.
It's that they stopped trying.

How much longer are you going to cope?

don't go...

>>73733299
This is surprisingly true.
Pretty much every single female I've encountered across the weeb community always goes two ways.
1. After discussing anime for a while they eventually just stop initiating conversations with you (likely after having already found someone to fuck).
2. The talk eventually devolves into flirty undertones --> which leads to sex when I reciprocate and to step 1 if I don't.
There's been at least 12 girls like this I've come across in the past half a decade and every single one of them followed this branching path.
Not a single one has remained "just a friend I can talk about anime with" past a year or two.
It ALWAYS goes down either of the two paths.

guys stop, you're making me miss her

>>70288882
haha yeah... holochads can't stop winning

bring back the old tiktok that was just about underage girls dancing in the most viewed category

no... the members stream is too early, if she does make it unarchived it's gover for me
surely someone is going to record it right?

>>67824896
That means she is a woman

> Yuriposting filtered the retard 10x faster
Cunnybros... we lost...

remember when Gura did a gift wrapping stream too...

>Gura will never react to Lucifer

>>62529269
This was no different from Japan in 2018 when most of the "regular" Japanese media were treating VTubers like dogshit.
Sora, Fubuki and most of the early holos had to go through a lot of shit to legitimize themselves as actual content creators and tank a LOT of hate.
Arguably Mori is the only one doing so among the ENs, but even her notoriety and bigger sponsorships are centered on Japanese media (MGS, One Piece etc.).
Back in the day, holos were a lot more passionate about spreading their name and "legitimizing" the hobby, but anyone that tries to go "outside the box" into the mainstream nowadays will just get a ton of shit from within the fanbase for no reason.
So they'll have to get hate from outside (from normies and people that think VTubers are "cringe") and inside (from holofans that want to preserve the walled garden).
Sora, Fubuki and the earlier VTubers all had at least a guarantee that their own fans would support them in expanding outside their domain, but that guarantee simply doesn't exist on the EN side.

>>59050678
idk man...
I guess it's just weird seeing girls like Pekora and Miko - who are complete spergs irl - put out highly entertaining content almost every other day... and then you come back to EN and their biggest chuuba is perma afk and their second biggest just focusses on her music and puts no effort into improving the stream experience...
Sora has been continuously streaming with very few breaks since 2017. That's like 6 fucking years. And she also does albums, recordings and a bunch of music related shit behind the scenes.
There's a reason no one shitposts against daisenpai, despite her being a "homo collaber" as some tards here would put it.
None of that shit matters when it comes to the #1 thing in this industry - love for your fans.

Sora LOVES her Soratomo and that comes through in pretty much EVERYTHING she does.
Koyori loves her Joshukun, and she streams for them almost every other day. She GRINDED her way into a position in the 2nd army.
Pekora adores her nousagi, and hates it when people shit on them. She also cherishes all the gifts she got from her fans (before the gifting ban).
Migo loves her 35p, even the 45p.
Onigiriya get treated to the ultimate GFE in Okayu mengen.
Korone abuses the fuck out of Koronesuki, but her fans know it's just her way of showing love.

It's not like the EN girls HATE their fanbase or anything.. but the amount of time/effort that they put into their content absolutely PALES in comparison to the majority of JP members.
Kaela jerry-rigged a PC/Laptop setup in Japan JUST so that she could stream to her fans during her 3D recording visit. Which EN girl would ever bother to go to such lengths?
And obviously the fanbase understands that it's probably not practical to do such things, or waste so much money just to be able stream for a week or two.. I doubt that Pemaloe would've minded Kaela taking a couple of weeks break for this recording - they have plenty of VODs to watch already.
But she didn't, because she wanted to spend time with her fans after recordings and talk about stuff or just chill and play games.

The only EN girls that are MAYBE like that, are Fuwamoco. Old Gura used to be like this too.. but nowadays it's pretty obvious that she's gotten tired of her fanbase and fame (maybe Bijou too).
The CGDCT group are "fine". Like, they put in what the job and the fans demand enough that they will continue having dedicated people support them.
But none of them go "beyond" that y'know.. you never really get that feeling of "damn, this girl REALLY loves us" sort of feelings with the first 2 EN gens.
You never get that feeling of GLORY that you get watching Marine and her friends replicate the entirety of the 80's Showa musical atmosphere with fucking VTUBERS.
You never get that rush of seeing Pekora building up a story arc, or setting up a tournament.
You never experience the sheer side splitting comedy of Migo or Korone laughing at the most absurd shit you can think of.
You never experience the pure JOY of seeing your oshi try their fucking hardest for (YOU)!

Maybe this is just pessimistic, maybe it's just a cultural thing of prioritizing yourself first and THEN others that sets things up like this.. but I just feel like it SHOULDN'T be you know? EN VTubers CAN and SHOULD be able to reach those levels.. I daresay they could even SURPASS some of them.. but I just haven't seen that same DRIVE from the girls that are supposed to be the DRIVERS of the branch..
I can only hope that Advent will prove me wrong in time...

>>57453271
> never get a special ruffian shoutout
> never get my comment read
> didn't get a response during tweet and greet
Being a member just makes not getting any attention from your oshi a lot worse...
at least I'm not going schizo over it

>>55035879
Obviously.
Why else do you think Gura is back to streaming now?
Seriously, imagine being Gura - ultra paranoid about her irl identity - but in hololive, she's all comfy and surrounded by girls who understand her autism.
Suddenly 4 faggots are added to their shared Discord. They all say "Hello" and stuff but she's like "who the fuck?".
She's built her audience up in a unicorn style, so if she replies to any of these faggots on Discord, would they screenshot it and leak it? It would end her career!
Cover trusts them but she doesn't - obviously. So she just ignores them.
They still send her occasional memes and shit since they're enthusiastic to be "part of hololive" and want to greet all their "senpai" but she continues studiously ignoring them.
Possible that Irys also shared the same ideals since she never followed them on Twitter either.
Ame, Mori and a few of her friends ask why she's not greeting them, stressing her the fuck out. She tries to explain, but they don't get it - they trust these faggots, and don't understand why she can't.
Relationships are frayed. Reconciliation is difficult. Gura's health also takes a nosedive, so she just fucks off.
Her 3D gets gutted, perms list isn't growing at all, more and more stress. The bigger her break the more stress she has when thinking about returning.
On top of this, even some of her long time members start sperging. She obviously can't talk about what the fuck is happening internally since she has to maintain her brand.
> I'm doing what I can, when I can
Her daki almost gets blocked thanks to woke fuckers in EN management. Frustrated as all hell, she considers quitting and posts on her rm.
> oh shit, it blew up
JP management IMMEDIATELY contact her, possibly A-chan and Marine as well, and try to figure out what's happening.
A-chan tries her best but Gura's English is too difficult to follow (this drives her to do her English reps much harder later on).
They eventually contact some of the other members (Kiara, Fauna, probably Irys as well) and find out what's been happening.
Internal investigation - all the bullshit revealed, shared Discord exposed.
Cover immediately takes over recruiting and hurries with an announcement of EN3 auditions.
Gura visits Japan, hangs out with JP senpai and get healed.
Homos kicked out of discord, merged with JP management. Magni and Vesper sperg about it, get their asses suspended again.
So many of these issues were EASILY avoidable if they kept Stars management under JP from the start.

Cover spend the entirety of 2022 debuting and shilling homos and now nobody cares about EN3. It's over. Small corpo chads I kneel.

>delayed
i will just lay down here for a little bit... haha

>>53421288
> deleted
> temp block for off topic
Oh, so HoloEN discussion is "off-topic" on /#/ is it?

>>52652923
Gura's extra-soulless closing message in a sea of soulless closing messages kind of killed me, ngl. I keep thinking that I've accepted what's become of Gura but I really haven't. It's hard to watch.

i'm scared of mass shooters bros

>>51875504
>mfw
i was half expecting 'uoohh plaplaplapplap get pregnante!!! ToT'. not whatever the hell that was

>>51809977
I didn't either, but it's where we're at right now and there's no going back.