/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I have read everyone's opinions and comments. I have watched Apple's stream.
I've shared my views before and this is my effort post take on this.

First just let me say I respect this person's commitment, the model isn't really rigged but it sorta moves a little. The background and the background sounds are nice.
This person put on some effort to have a good debut.
But it does seem very clear that some voice change is going on. Now the options are either dumb woman who wanted to have a higher pitch, dumb but possible I have seen it before among vtubers. Or it's a guy.
I'm gonna be honest I don't want another guy to join, first of all because I don't want to have another guy because I'm a cute girl enjoyer but second because opening the door to one male will just lead to more wanting to get in, we have to gatekeep or else people will just ruin this.
That's not me being an asshole that's just a fact, time and time again this is 100% proven, when people don't gatekeep properly shit gets ruined.

That said this might be a controversial opinion, but the fact that this person acts like a girl and did the effort to sound like one makes the situation slightly better for one simple reason: this filters a hell lot of guys who would like to join.
Let me explain, if a guy joined and acted like a guy other guys would look at that and think they can join too. And every new guy that joined would make it easier for the next guy to join, there would be less resistance to it. And that leads to the slippery slope of more guys joining and eventually overtaking the group.
This is still mostly a girl's company with 2 grand fathered guys that have been there from the start and a trap everyone likes. That's fine, now no more guys.
But this person isn't gonna have that domino effect because most guys don't want to do all this effort to babi their way. The amount of guys that are willing to do all this is a minority compared to all the regular guys that would like to join as male models or using a female png but still acting like males.
This sets a bad precedent, we still don't want babis either.
But let's say we took a bullet but it missed any vital organ that would kill us immediately.

This is an L for FlaVR, but it could have been worse.
Personally I'm not interested in watching this guy, everyone is free to do whatever they want and I'm actually interested in seeing how many views he eventually gets. He's actually pretty cute so who knows he might find an audience into this.
If it was up to me everyone should ignore him and hope he leaves but in the end it really is up to the FLaVR members, if Sena and the rest of the gang welcome him into the group we are stuck with him.

Lastly I'm sorry to the prompter anon that made Apple, shame your girl got taken by a guy.

Like having been a dumb teenager for most of my life I also used to buy into the "it's just a drawing" rhethoric, but then I slowly but surely went to realize that's gross and super fucked up, had an existential crisis about it, and went on to try never touching that stuff again and unfollowing several vtubers that were into that shit. Some were easy, like Pikamee and Matsuri, since they were so creepy, vocal and proud of it, that I was already disgusted even before my epiphany, and I wasn't involved with them enough to really feel bad. But then there's Marine, who used to be one of my favorites, which made things hard. As horny as she is, she wasn't as gross and vocal as the two, but that's just a really lame excuse. Part of me says that whatever, no one's perfect, and she's not that different from what I was back then, so if we're both gross I can just enjoy her content while hoping she improves herself. But the more reasonable-sounding part of my brain reminds me she's not a very young adult like me, she's in her late 20s to early 30s, which makes things infinitely more fucked up, especially since there's clips around how she used to (maybe still does?) stare at elementary schoolers, real children, not drawings... It's complicated because I know she's literally a pedo, and yet my brain still tries, badly, to make arguments to defend her, and even though I know I must avoid her and move on, I would be lying if I don't still watch, and enjoy, some of her clips or streams every now and then, kind of like a super-guilty pleasure. With how many other vtubers I don't follow who also turned out to be like that and with the somewhat unrelated note of how many mangakas (some of which I loved) also went through a similar path, it makes me fearful. Fearful that it's just a question of time before someone whose content I previously adored, turns out to be a pedo, or somehow else another type of awful person, and fearful that I will be too attached to move on, supporting these terrible people even though I should know better. It makes me fearful that there will come a day I will be unable to consume any kind of content without feeling guily about it. I've been trying my best to just instead follow more wholesome vtubers that openly show disgust to that kind of stuff, but even then... It doesn't feel like enough, like even if they don't turn out to be pedos, it doesn't immidiatelly mean they won't do some other equally fucked up shit. Even Subaru, the most cheerful and wholesome girl in Hololive, still made me deeply worried when she was watching Stains;Gate and playing Persona 4, with all the transphobic shit in both of these, and even if she didn't say anything malicious in the end, I was still preparing for the worst. It's like there's this voice in the back of my head telling that, statistically, most people are awful in some way and it's inevitable that they'll fuck up royally sooner than later, and the best I can do is give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's out of ignorance rather than malice, but having been both in the past it doesn't give my mind much rest...