/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66137370
And just to further back that up
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1572005114348539904 Mori was literally getting on the fucking plane when this whole thing was dealt with

I appreciate you putting a timeline of this shit together to finally kill this Ba*ski originated rrat

>>60644975
Here's a general timeline of /vt/'s hatred of NijiEN

>The year is 2021, and Nijisanji just announced their first wave of EN vtubers, Lazulight.
>This comes simultaneously as Hololive is embroiled in drama from Chinese roaches harassing Coco, and the company failing to support her against this harassment, in fact bullying her out of the company instead.
>Many vtuber fans are disillusioned with Hololive's way of doing things, and look to Nijisanji EN as a fresh change in the industry; competition is always good as they say.
>Lazulight's debuts are universally praised on /vt/, seen as a return to "cgdct" and drama-free vtuber content. All 3 of them are really funny and likeable. It was refreshing for vtuber fans.
>/vt/ suddenly gets an influx of Lazulight falseflag threads, people comparing their 6-8 streams a week to Myth members barely streaming 3 times a week, using them to shit on Gura or Ame for being lazy, making fun of Mori for being a fake weeb while Elira and Pomu are the real deal, etc.
>Hololive fans start to see this as an attack on their "superiority" and become increasingly resentful towards Nijisanji EN every time someone makes a thread promoting Pomu's creative content or Elira's karaokes.
>Cut to June 2021, and Obsydia is announced as NijiEN's 2nd wave. Everyone is excited for more good cute girls to fill the hole from Myth's lack of streams.
>Obsydia's debuts are received just as well as Lazulight's, with Selen being a standout as a genuine tomboy "gamer" who is actually good at fps.
>Her Apex streams start doing numbers comparable to Hololive EN, which is when the SEA quarantine zone known as /#/ start paying attention to NijiEN.
>Suddenly the catalog is being spammed with even more falseflag threads overtly shitting on Hololive, and all of them exclusively use Selen pictures and reference her numbers, using charts and images taken directly from /#/. Hm, really makes you think.
>Those same faggots are also spamming /NijiEN/ and /hlgg/, ruining Selen's fanbase reputation in her company's own general. This is around the time the various NijiEN splits like /haha/ and /rose/ started popping up due to infighting in /NijiEN/. The presence of these splits somehow further annoyed Hololive fans due to what they see as Nijifags infesting a board that should be exclusively used for Hololive threads.
>October 2021, Ethyria debuts and receive a much less positive reception compared to Lazulight and Obsydia. Mostly due to Nina being seen as a clear outsider from the vtuber scene, and Enna/Millie being obvious nepotism hires from Elira's friend group.
>NijiEN in general is still pushing out consistently good content though, even with Ethyria fans being a minority within the fanbase.
>Late December 2021, Luxiem is announced, the first male wave, and all hell breaks loose.
>Their numbers on debut are nothing impressive but /vt/ as a whole are still terrified by the prospect of male vtubers in an EN branch, as it's one step closer to Holostars EN existing and interacting with their waifus.
>Suddenly and unexpectedly, Luxiem explodes in popularity due to Chinese clipfags. This has the simultaneous effect of pissing off anti-China /pol/tards, unicorns who hate males, and /#/ trannies all at the same time.
>Even worse, this completely corrupts NijiEN's culture from CGDCT to pandering to Chinese women who love hetshipping so they can self-insert. A unicorn's worst nightmare.
>Even worse still, Hololive seeing this immediately announces HOLOSTARS EN in an effort to copy Nijisanji, confirming all the paranoia and fears of Hololive fans.
>This is when the Discord leak happens, from NijiEN's discord server where they discuss Hololive copying Luxiem with Holostars EN. Hololive fans are livid, both at Cover for adding males, and for Nijisanji livers for mocking Cover.
>All the goodwill from the first 2 waves has entirely evaporated as even the perfect girls from Lazusydia consistently engage in collabs with The Great Satan that is Luxiem in an effort to milk their Chinese fans.
>Hololive fans are terrified that this culture coomerbaiting and hetshipping will ruin their CGDCT paradise the same way it ruined NijiEN, so they go on the offensive trying to destroy Nijisanji's reputation through any means necessary.
>This has resulted in a consistent stream of catalog spam for the last 2 years because the most schizophrenic Hololive fans still blame Nijisanji for the existence of Holostars EN.
>All Out War Lol
I'm at the character limit now so just fill in the rest by yourself. Nothing that happened after is really important so long as you understand why the catalog is the way that it is. Holofags just really hate males.

This whole thing is crazy because, like
It literally only started because someone started seething about how, people were seething about Mori?? When literally no one had been seething about Mori?
Like, the timeline is:
>Collab stream ends
>people are starting to move on, lil bit of Nerissa discussion
>some dude starts freaking out about how he hates the thread now
>starts to make big ass posts about how he hates it because it talks about Mori's numbers(????)
>people get confused as hell and this activates all the other schizophrenics to go on a rampage
Shit is literally starting at random

>>56664182
I forget the exact timeline, but I remember hearing about it for a decent while before it finally happened. I think it went from just Bae to Bae and Mori to the whole group at Mori's

>>53852537
We did have a few threads on it here, but Mori is kind of old news at this point. Few people care beyond a couple of deadbeats on damage control duty.
But really, she just read something from chat and then later banned/blocked the guy who said it, which purges his comments from the timeline. It was just a brainfart on her end, reading a comment without thinking. (Classic Mori really.)

It's interesting how the whole BBC thing is hated by virtually all sides. The usual leftist twitter crowd thinks it's horribly racist, while conservatives just find it disgusting. This kind of makes it perfect for trolling purposes, since nobody wants to take ownership beyond coomers. (And only a specific subset of coomers at that.)

Kiwawa's SC catchup mentions
>Ame using one of her wishes on blend shapes, Suisei has it, Mori wants to get it
>Getting an EN petition to get wishes at 500k milestones
>Kronii says habadah
>Kiara does the Han Solo https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=3076
>Kaela said she will join Kiara's next MC stream
>How the turbles tain, best Myth speaker https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=4455
>Jenma gifted Kiara a custom Kiara iphone cover at debut
>Happy for Mori getting big deals, mentioning how to expand outside the bubble like fleshtuber collabs
>3D, buying motion suits and studio Ame talk
>Kiara's sexual translated tweet https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=7866
>Confused why Mori replied to the tweet since she must have experienced it too, Gura and Ame also talked about thigh sweat
>Kiara's Jazz original https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=9060
>Kiara didn't just sing Avril Lavigne in the Gura Okayu karaoke, Gura was smiling to her singing
>Returning to Japan in October to record something optional, will also attend a friends wedding thanks to overlap
>Eating asmr https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=11954
>Watermelon original https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=12162
>Bae and Gura being in free sections of the concert, Kiara wants to be in the free section at least once
>FBK of EN https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=13502
>Thinking that management sees Kiara as their EN FBK, FBK is someone to rely on and an anchor
>Kiara's favorite concert memory was dancing with the Myth girls, dancing in sync with Ina, Mori mentioning the dance cut
>Discussing with Jenma about doing official concert viewings in cinema
>Kiara is very honored to have debuted as part of Myth, never not grateful for joining Holo, making the most of their legacy
>https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=15212
>"My whole life it always felt like the wrong timeline until I joined Holo"
>Kiara's new beef 4080, Fauna owning a beefy 4090, roasting Fauna for flexing
>(Having to explain to the audience that it's all jokes and she's never actually ranting at Fauna or others)
>EN is a bunch of glue sniffers
>The concert teaser looked like Hololive and Diablo 4 collab, the talents know but the audience doesn't know
>Kiara is literally Towa senpai
>Kiara also being a part of Usaken Holosummer group, suggested doing a Usaken collab before the concert
>Future travel plans https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=22146
>Asmr collab with Noel has a date set, maybe one more off collab as well
>The Japan trips helping Kiara bond a lot with Myth and other members, Kiara feels more comfortable with Myth than the first year
>August trip with someone special https://youtu.be/rDJ4FR3NpZU?t=22318
>(Kiara has now completed her 7 day streak bingo)

>>52470225
>I'm assuming the same "canon events" occur
shut the fuck up Miguel, there's no reason to assume this
> otherwise the timeline gets even more pointlessly hypothetical
the whole point of this thought experiment is to think about how different things would be; if you try to think about it as logically and realistically as possible - not narratively like it's a fanfic or some shit - then there's no reason to try to force an angle where it must be similar to how things went down with Myth
>I'm assuming accusations pointed at Fauna would mimic Mori
literally why? they're totally different circumstances and people. This is such a dumb angle to try to force.
>Bae did not have the experience of going through shit Kiara did, so what she could offer to Mumei would be pretty limited
this is fucking retarded, Bae and Mumei's real relationship already exists in our world, they are already close and were from the start for their own reasons and would still be in the Council-debut-first hypothetical world

you're trying to reach so hard and bend reality like a fucking pretzel just to force this autistic 'but it must be narratively the same as Myth!' bullshit and it's fucking retarded and defeats the whole point of the thought exercise

>>52467342
Ignoring the glaring issues with the proposed scenario, mainly that Council girls applied after Myth got popular and to my knowledge they didn't apply to Myth, also that Myth would likely have way different talents behind the avatar as many of them either applied on a whim or it was a last resort application before going back to a boring 9 to 5 job and becoming a normalfag, here's how I see it turning out:
>Sana
Gets harassed to hell during the chinkpocalypse for working on Arknights and she probably graduates before 2021 even arrives.
>Fauna
Inherits the Ina audience, never goes below 5view territory with her consistency.
>Kronii
Any of her ships get both the Takamori shippers and the Gurame shippers, but not much changes compared to today
>Mumei
She's the closest equivalent to Gura before Gura existed, easily the biggest winner of the swap.
>Bae
Probably starts weak like Kiara did, inheriting her antis, but she perseveres, but not much changes besides her being the sole musician and JP connection of the group, positioning her slightly bigger than her current fanbase
>Council as a whole
Better cohesion than Myth means more natural collabs happening and as Sana graduates early like Aloe did, the group sympathizes more with Gen 5, becoming true sister gens.
>IRyS
Her VSinger status turns way more heads since there's no Mori yet to pump out music, she's immediately a large success.
>a counterpart to IRyS (Mori)
Probably also joins as a VSinger with IRyS, ChadCast still forms, as popular as SNOT in our timeline, plus her influence in getting artists gives IRyS more leeway with her own projects.
>Kiara
Being the sole EU member after a bigger drought and the noticable lack of shitposters do her a lot better, but possibly less ambitious as a result of that. Takamori is gone and so is Holotori, but she fares better with Pekora and Pekotori becomes the premiere ship of hers.
>Ina
Sana's fiasco puts a dent in her popularity since being an artist works against her this time around, but turns it around eventually, albeit less popular than today
>Gura
Mumei gets a lot of her current fanbase, leaving her with less expectations and anxiety and becomes a dark horse after a while
>Ame
Her 3D projects likely disappear as Japan opening is rumored to be around the corner by the time she debuts, probably leans into gaming more and making handcam content, also harder roleplaying and more collabs. Gurame becomes the premiere ship of Myth.
>unknown 5th Myth member inheriting Mori's design
Fuck if I know, honestly. If an EU member, Takamori still becomes a thing, otherwise I've got no clue.
>Myth as a whole
Kiara is still the sole organizer with Ame helping her out, but they have a smaller need to function as a group, so the collabs peter out fast.
EN as a whole does slightly better, both in streamer consistency and viewership, but it's more detached from the rest of Hololive and has way less large scale projects outside of what Cover arranges.
I didn't want to crosspost but the thread got archived just before I finished up.

>>51229709
>>51228751
it's cause she's a wigger, her music sucks and she can't stop riding on holostars dick.
also, considering the timeline of events with kronii and tempus, it's pretty damn likely that the whole tempus/kronii situation was perpetuated by mori, kronii tried to sympathize with unicorns until she went on a spa date with mori, then all of the sudden she came back and started riding homodick like crazy, that's too big of a coincidence, mori definitely encouraged her to do that

>>49893046
>Are you planning on doing NijiEN as well?
Planning is too strong of a word, I was not planning to do anyone but Mori but curiosity got the best of me and I ended up doing the whole HoloEN.

I might do NijiEN but I can't commit on a timeline because there are 30 of them and I wouldn't even be able to scrape all
>playboard rate limit as fuck
LOE and Luxiem, for sure, in a point in the future

>>38212510
Not only that's a whole lot of word for saying absolutely nothing, but you don't even have the timeline right. Gura was with them since the beginning and helped on the concert setup outside of one day. The ina "snap" is really one big nothing burger, but this was already made clear earlier in the thread. The offcollab stream started way before mori involved herself, with the Gurame karaoke, poptart tasting and smash collab. "The big dox fuck up" was literally nothing, if you want to make a drama, at least mention the party.

>>33855051
Wasn't the whole joke is that Mori already graduated in that timeline and that's why the Calliopeople are here in this timeline to fuck things up for everyone else

>The FEARED Worms collab happens
>It's a nothingburger
>The absolute worst thing about the whole collab is the usual Mori cringe
>Mori's entire personality easily overshadows that fact that there are males in the collab
>Kronie's are somehow immune to Mori's cringe, or their schizophrenia is a stage beyond what is acceptable /here/
This is the timeline we're in...
It all comes down to
Deadbeats yelling KINO
vs
Kronies' bullying their oshi into suicide

Will Pink Woman finally get behave as a normal person? Is the failed VA on the verge of toaster bath finally get fixed by getting some dick? (whether in her or on her)
FIND OUT ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF WORMZZZZZ!

>>32920296
>Just imagine a timeline where Irys was in Myth instead of Mori...
Without Mori spearheading the not fitting for an idol behavior which then influenced Council in a negative manner, Ame would have fallen in line with her genmates on the whole male collab question guaranteed. Then Council would have looked to Myth for what is acceptable behavior and largely taken their cues from them.
Not saying it wouldn't have still happened one way or another, just that they would have been more careful in how they presented themselves as idols.

>>28794645
>Didn't she say in the early days her manager was actually Enma or something and Jenma came later? Means she might have been at Enma's place.
Nah, she stayed at Jenma's place, and explicitely said so (some helpful chicken might provide you with the link to the stream (that one minecraft?) where she said it). Jenma's helpfulness that time is part of why Kiara thinks so highly of her.

Also, while this may be a whole nother can of worms, "Enma" (as an individual entity with a specific person behind it) doesn't really exist and arguably never really existed.

Others may fill you in better on the timeline, but iirc it was something like this.
Back in the very beginning, the Myth girls didn't really talk about their managers at all. Probably because they were still new and unsure/afraid of how much they could talk about behind the scenes stuff at all, so they erred on the side of caution.
Then there was that one L4D collab where someone called "hololiveen_manager" slotted in as the fourth player. This being the first time the myth audience was actually publicly made aware of a manager character for the girls, naturally they were very curious. The fans ran wild with the concept (there was a real hunger for having their own "EN A-chan" staff characters to relate to) and the character of "Enma" was born and took shape through collective fan creations.
Then after the girls (well, mostly Kiara and Mori) saw that fans wanted to talk about manager characters and that it was okay to talk about them a little bit, they opened up more and more and talked about their ACTUAL personal managers, partly to correct some wrong impressions and differentiate their actual personal managers (Jenma, Jchad, etc.) from the amorphous catch-all general character of just "Enma".
Now the current situation is, the generic "Enma" stand-in character has been pretty much dropped by all and everyone just talks about their actual personal managers instead (that is, if they talk about managers at all, some girls don't really do much of it). Well, Ina has still used the Enma character for some time after that, but eh that might just be obfusciation and her actual behind the scenes manager deal is a whole nother story to (rather not) get into...

>>27951509
in this line up?
>Fauna V Mori (Life V Death)
Death counters life by design, Mori stomps but Fauna is shown as a monster/natural disaster
>Kiara V Mumei (Phoenix V Stryx) or (EN true Idol V EN ASMR
Mumei is pretty "featless" so i don't know how to contextualize this... Phoenix warrior outlast the civilizations that rise and fall around her?
>Kroni V Ame (Warden V Traveler)
Ame pulls some shit in this fight, parallel timeline smol Ames, the whole show. Kroni still stomps.
>Ina V Sana (Priestess V Speaker) or (flat V BOING-BOING)
Great Old Ones man... they break a lot of power systems and stomp out a lot of shit... unfortunately for Ina, if the stars get out of alignment the Elders go to sleep.
Gura V Bae (Shark V Rat)
Gura wins she gets a Gawr moment, solely due to her popularity (Wolverine rules) sucks, but this is the objective truth. otherwise IDK Orichalcum Trident has powers over causality and counters Chaos, or some other bullshit

Kiara will get Mumei like

I mean it's pretty clear what the timeline is.
>There are 2 major things happening in the same time period. Mori coming back which is planned for all of Myth to visit together, and kiara coming to Ame's place to record her 3D sololive
>Seeing that they're so close together, Ina and Gura decided to visit Ame early anyway, but the trip was always meant to mostly focus on the 3D sololive
>Now that it's over, they're planning on flying over to Mori's place for the whole Myth meetup.

>>25958584
Hmm, that's actually a fair point. The stuff that /vt/ says doesn't leak out of 4chan very often. I concede that point.
The mori situation was kinda interesting, since my knowledge of the event timeline was a little different. Now, I don't watch Mori and only know the timeline from clips, so please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. But my understanding is:
>Some dude superchats Mori with an pretty respectful criticism on Connor. I disagree with the post obviously, but it wasn't rude at all.
>Mori gets a bit mad and says she'll donate any such superchats to the person in question. This was rude, certainly, and it would be fair if people criticized her on this.
>Instead, people start spamming messages of Mori getting fucked by Connor and stuff, generally escalating this whole thing completely out of proportion.
I would have agreed with you in general. Mori did take more offense at the akasupa than she should have and was the asshole there. But the ensuing crapstorm went well beyond what I would call reasonable criticism and went straight into /vt/-tier rrat territory.
I do agree that fans can be overly defensive of their oshis, though. It's something that happens with everything on the internet, but that doesn't make it right when they villify people who are making respectful criticism. As long as the "valid criticism" line isn't used to justify some of the stuff /vt/ says, I would concede the point overall.
Thanks for that informative post.

Hey, tako here with a stupid question. I always thought hat guy hated Mori or something, or at least that's what hlgg deadbeats told me. Is the picture from before he developed a disdain for her or was hlgg lying about that the whole time? I don't get how this timeline works out.

>>23056619
for the most part, search the archives for "the whole timeline mori"
Other than that, she is just annoying and repeats the same thing over and over. every collab she is in is instantly ruined.

>>22559038
that search is polluted now, the correct search now is
"the whole timeline mori"

>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=the+whole+timeline+mori

>>19673184
This is still assuming a timeline like
>most of the conversation in the screenshot happened
>Mori puts out that notice
>Vox immediately mocks it for some reason
>Petra opens the vent channel
>Stream starts
>Switches to the art channel
>3 minutes in, flashes that on screen
>Mysta sends his message within 2 minutes of another conversation
>Petra open the vent channel and shows this
More likely than not, the whole conversation about Hololive happened around when Hololive put up their auditions (ie, hours before Mori's technical difficulties) and no one used the vent channel after that until Mysta

>>17066545
Here is the whole timeline.
>Mori collabs with TT people
>person from TT named Connor says in his stream that people in hololive are popular not because of talent but because of brand
>fast forwarding
>member in Moris stream politely asks her to not associate with these people
>https://files.catbox.moe/lfcm82.png
>Mori insults the members and says that Connor apologised to every holoEN member
>https://files.catbox.moe/75cb93.mp4
>clip of Kiara proof that this was a lie. Kiara hasn't been in contact with any of them
>https://streamable.com/5a8uq2#
>she donates 50 subs to Connor on her brand new twitch account
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce-cR-f8TlM [Embed]
>someone superchats "condom money for Connor"
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/archive/superchat/iJvbxzGh_a4.html
>Mori announces that she wont read superchats anymore
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTissHo0AM [Embed]
>keeps talking about the drama on stream
>Mori announces that she will be streaming on twitch semi-regularly from now on
>people even in her youtube comment section are mad to her
>few days later she responds to 6 days old tweet of someone posting a comic of deadbeat getting literally cucked by Connor who is fucking Mori on the picture
>http://web.archive.org/web/20220123054143/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485121754624593924
>even reddit gets mad at her
>she replies to the reddit thread "can I PLEASE just have some fun. Please."
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/htukq15/
>https://files.catbox.moe/lxuexz.png
>she gets downvote bombed
>shortly after she deletes it and apologises and announces break
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220123064719/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485136066008944640
>says she "hit the lean hard"
>anons realize she just confirmed getting high with codeine as drugs are rare in japan for someone as her.
>a mixture of Jolly Ranchers, Sprite, and codeine that will get you high asf.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_(drug)
>basically admits drug use
>damage control a bit later
>https://files.catbox.moe/t7oy6q.png
>Connor tweets "easy W"
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220123071557/https://twitter.com/CDawgVA/status/1485137798512652288
now shut up, faggot.

>>17066750
Here is the whole timeline.
>Mori collabs with TT people
>person from TT named Connor says in his stream that people in hololive are popular not because of talent but because of brand
>fast forwarding
>member in Moris stream politely asks her to not associate with these people
>https://files.catbox.moe/lfcm82.png
>Mori insults the members and says that Connor apologised to every holoEN member
>https://files.catbox.moe/75cb93.mp4
>clip of Kiara proof that this was a lie. Kiara hasn't been in contact with any of them
>https://streamable.com/5a8uq2#
>she donates 50 subs to Connor on her brand new twitch account
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce-cR-f8TlM [Embed]
>someone superchats "condom money for Connor"
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/archive/superchat/iJvbxzGh_a4.html
>Mori announces that she wont read superchats anymore
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTissHo0AM [Embed]
>keeps talking about the drama on stream
>Mori announces that she will be streaming on twitch semi-regularly from now on
>people even in her youtube comment section are mad to her
>few days later she responds to 6 days old tweet of someone posting a comic of deadbeat getting literally cucked by Connor who is fucking Mori on the picture
>http://web.archive.org/web/20220123054143/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485121754624593924
>even reddit gets mad at her
>she replies to the reddit thread "can I PLEASE just have some fun. Please."
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/sam9io/uhh_calli/htukq15/
>https://files.catbox.moe/lxuexz.png
>she gets downvote bombed
>shortly after she deletes it and apologises and announces break
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220123064719/https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1485136066008944640
>says she "hit the lean hard"
>anons realize she just confirmed getting high with codeine as drugs are rare in japan for someone as her.
>a mixture of Jolly Ranchers, Sprite, and codeine that will get you high asf.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_(drug)
>basically admits drug use
>damage control a bit later
>https://files.catbox.moe/t7oy6q.png
>Connor tweets "easy W"
>https://web.archive.org/web/20220123071557/https://twitter.com/CDawgVA/status/1485137798512652288