/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66597624
Fans who came in after Myth will never get to experience the suprise and kino of their first anniversary

Facts about Kiara:
>Whined about numbers after debut
>Was so jealous of Gura she took three months to ask for their first collab
>Seethed over Mori getting to sing Dawn Blue
>Pushed early Takamori so hard it became one of the most hated ships in Holo
>Made fun of Aki’s numbers
>Doxxed Subaru (unintentionally but it still counts)
>Stole Ame’s talk show idea
>Desperately tried to beat Ina to 1 million, still lost and then whined about it
>ARE YOU CRYING GURA
>Seethed over IRyS debuting next to her birthday
>Made fun of Council as a concept
>Whined about being left alone during peak impromptu collab season
>”see you nine months”
>Forced a collab relay for New Years Eve 2021
>Called fans spoiled for wanting more streams during the NA Myth offcollab
>Hates Bubba
>Gave everyone Covid while in NA
>Forced Ina to be in her birthday live
>Berated the girls for “not being prepared” during the 2022 anniversary stream despite being just as bad
>Dragged Ame on a trip she didn’t care about
>Never met IRyS while in Japan
>Probably encouraged Gura to be lazy (no concrete evidence but the timeframe matches up)
>Said she didn't feel welcome in Gura's chat but people went through logs and couldn't find anyone being annoyed by her
>Insulted Fauna’s ASMR
>Was a generally poor sport in AoE, now try harding out of jealousy
>called Mumei not sexy
>Bullied Raden about her smoking habit

Personally I think Council and IRyS were dropped way too early. Myth should had at least a full year of working together as a united front rather then having Kouhai in under 9 months. After the first anniversary was when IRyS should have been introduced (if Project Hope was unchangeable.) IRyS should have had at least 3 months to integrate better in with Myth, then drop Council in the first month of 2022. It would have also greatly reduced the gap of time between Council and Advent as well. What could have been.

>>66266492
>>66266620
>oh yeah speaking of the IDs, I'm pretty sure a couple have even outright confirmed they're here lmao
who? ollie and risu? those are the only 2 I think would admit it. Ollie and miori both acknowledge the mating press meme too
>I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the ENs/IDs are here
Mori has admitted to being /here/ to read mean shit posts about herself
I still maintain that all the >Gura pissed in Ame's bed shit posting during the rust arc I did made it back to Gura because the myth anniversary collab after that she went hard on the >chat is wearing diapers, shitposting during the stream and I think it was because she was mad. During the rust arc Gura also mentioned /ggg/

>>66058806
There entire first year of Council was extremely rough.
>Reception overall on debut was very mid
>Everything to do with Sana
>Some of the girls like Bae and Fauna's first streams having mic issues and being short
>The kronii/tempus yab
>Having Myth completely overshadow them right after debut (First anniversary, Holofest 2022 intorducing 3D for myth)

Once 2022 started to end and irys started becoming closer to them they really ended up something more cohesive as a gen.

>Kiara: Sucks Myth can't get anniversary lives, not even a shared one, not really fair after 4 years straight
>retarded brownoids: DUUURRRR KIARA NOT GETTING ANY 3D EVER SEETHE AND COPE UR NOT BIG ENOUGH
>Kiara gets 3D live that everyone who isn't a twittertranny knew was coming
>retard brownoids: YASSS QUEEN SHE HECKING BTFOD THE BLACK COMPANY AND MADE THEN KNEEL
>Kiara: Can you stop being retarded please, this live has been in the works for a year and I never tried to blackmail Cover
basically

>>64863508
Honestly, Gura might of gotten long covid and had a really bad diet late last year that fucked her up; tried to come back early this, ended up as a part timer with a lot of content being off channel; disappeared for a month after Outlast to work on the LA concert and other stuff; came back during the Summer and did a ton stuff; likely got burned out after the Splash Party/the EN graduations and started to slow down; Appeared in Fauna and Mumei's 3d shows and the Myth anniversary then disappeared. Only did a few things after (Halloween stream with Ame; the Minecraft sportfest thing; the sponsored stream) and then finally admitted she was burned out and been trying to learn other skills offline.

A bunch of stuff Gura did seemed to have gotten canceled this year too for some reason; like the Cover that was done but couldn't be released and her second original song that she sang at Holofest. Then was the 3D Myth thing Kiara was pushing that got rejected.

Wonder why management was responsive of starsEN when they debuted. The two popular ones had remodels in less than a year, and two week after their graduation, they had a Tempus week which meant that the event was prepared for the anniversary in July. Not to mention, the numbers of songs and animations that all of them have.

So, why didn't they do this for HoloEN? Why give a shitty first model for Gura that had 194k watching, then fixed it quietly months later? Why give Irys a remodel a year later? Why was Myth and Council's songs so delayed etc . On top of that, Myth and Council never had YouTube as promotions before. HoloEN could've been bigger than they are right now if management did what they did to tempus.

>>64818967
Entire EN branch had a meeting last night. What can be assumed based on how happy Kiara was today and her constantly talking about 3D related things is that management is having better studio capacity and scheduling. And went from not being sure if she would get another 3D live or if Myth would get a full gen 3D anniversary stream this year at all like a month ago to outright saying that her next 3D concert is in summer, which could mean that she is having a birthday concert around the time of her birthday, or it could just be on her birthday with no delay. Now the question is if Myth will get the full gen anniversary 3D collab or not. But management seems to be way more open to 3D for EN so far after that meeting. Again, that's just assuming what the meeting was about based on the fact that Kiara was talking alot about future 3D things while confirming another 3D live in the future and was just generally in a really good mood the entire stream.

>>64732327
1: Cover sapped all their motivation. When you hear stuff like Kiara's rant about not being respected as they should be for despite their 3 years senpai status to the point they get denied anniversary lives. And Ame saying she can't even use models like Ame bee whenever she wants to anymore. It's clear that most aren't happy with how things evolved. Promise and Advent might not have it that bad because they came after and are used to things being that way, but Myth saw the whole thing unfold on them.
2: Losing interest is a normal thing. They pretty much do the same things year after year with fan expectations of them following that pattern. Which when you have a fanbase like Gura's on top of that, might disgust you from streaming altogether.

>>64193823
I'd say Myth 1st anniversary and that one Mori's ttrpg stream were some of their "moments". Council's "moments" were the MC streams collab after sana left

>>63863422
>Anyone who actually listened to the twitter space wouldn't equate that with the Myth Anniversary situation

i dont listen to this girl after what she and her fans did on mikochi

Kiara;s sins
>Whined about numbers after debut
>Was so jealous of Gura she took three months to ask for their first collab
>Seethed over Mori getting to sing Dawn Blue
>Pushed early Takamori so hard it became one of the most hated ships in Holo
>Made fun of Aki’s numbers
>Doxxed Subaru (unintentionally but it still counts)
>Stole Ame’s talk show idea
>Desperately tried to beat Ina to 1 million, still lost and then whined about it
>ARE YOU CRYING GURA
>Seethed over IRyS debuting next to her birthday
>Made fun of Council as a concept
>Whined about being left alone during peak impromptu collab season
>”see you nine months”
>Forced a collab relay for New Years Eve 2021
>Called fans spoiled for wanting more streams during the NA Myth offcollab
>Hates Bubba
>Gave everyone Covid while in NA
>Forced Ina to be in her birthday live
>Berated the girls for “not being prepared” during the 2022 anniversary stream despite being just as bad
>Dragged Ame on a trip she didn’t care about
>Never met IRyS while in Japan
>Probably encouraged Gura to be lazy (no concrete evidence but the timeframe matches up)
>Said she didn't feel welcome in Gura's chat but people went through logs and couldn't find anyone being annoyed by her
>Insulted Fauna’s ASMR
>Was a generally poor sport in AoE, now try harding out of jealousy
>called Mumei not sexy
>Bullied Raden about her smoking habit
>Thinks she should have preferential treatment for 3D when everyone is getting screwed by Cover

Kiara's sins
>Whined about numbers after debut
>Was so jealous of Gura she took three months to ask for their first collab
>Seethed over Mori getting to sing Dawn Blue
>Pushed early Takamori so hard it became one of the most hated ships in Holo
>Made fun of Aki’s numbers
>Doxxed Subaru (unintentionally but it still counts)
>Stole Ame’s talk show idea
>Desperately tried to beat Ina to 1 million, still lost and then whined about it
>ARE YOU CRYING GURA
>Seethed over IRyS debuting next to her birthday
>Made fun of Council as a concept
>Whined about being left alone during peak impromptu collab season
>”see you nine months”
>Forced a collab relay for New Years Eve 2021
>Called fans spoiled for wanting more streams during the NA Myth offcollab
>Hates Bubba
>Gave everyone Covid while in NA
>Forced Ina to be in her birthday live
>Berated the girls for “not being prepared” during the 2022 anniversary stream despite being just as bad
>Dragged Ame on a trip she didn’t care about
>Never met IRyS while in Japan
>Probably encouraged Gura to be lazy (no concrete evidence but the timeframe matches up)
>Said she didn't feel welcome in Gura's chat but people went through logs and couldn't find anyone being annoyed by her
>Insulted Fauna’s ASMR
>Was a generally poor sport in AoE, now try harding out of jealousy
>called Mumei not sexy
>Bullied Raden about her smoking habit
>Thinks she should have preferential treatment for 3D when everyone is getting screwed by Cover

>>63093453
It's irrelevant, studio time is definitely not defined by him but by the JP offices otherwise he would do everything to guarantee an anniversary live for Myth, especially when one of things he did after getting hired was asking Hololive fans on linkedn about suggestions and I doubt someone who isn't an obvious Holo anti would say that they don't want the girls to have studio time.

>Whined about numbers after debut
>Was so jealous of Gura she took three months to ask for their first collab
>Seethed over Mori getting to sing Dawn Blue
>Pushed early Takamori so hard it became one of the most hated ships in Holo
>Made fun of Aki’s numbers
>Doxxed Subaru (unintentionally but it still counts)
>Stole Ame’s talk show idea
>Desperately tried to beat Ina to 1 million, still lost and then whined about it
>ARE YOU CRYING GURA
>Seethed over IRyS debuting next to her birthday
>Made fun of Council as a concept
>Whined about being left alone during peak impromptu collab season
>”see you nine months”
>Forced a collab relay for New Years Eve 2021
>Called fans spoiled for wanting more streams during the NA Myth offcollab
>Hates Bubba
>Gave everyone Covid while in NA
>Forced Ina to be in her birthday live
>Berated the girls for “not being prepared” during the 2022 anniversary stream despite being just as bad
>Dragged Ame on a trip she didn’t care about
>Never met IRyS while in Japan
>Probably encouraged Gura to be lazy (no concrete evidence but the timeframe matches up)
>Said she didn't feel welcome in Gura's chat but people went through logs and couldn't find anyone being annoyed by her
>Insulted Fauna’s ASMR
>Was a generally poor sport in AoE, now try harding out of jealousy
>called Mumei not sexy
>Bullied Raden about her smoking habit
>Thinks she should have preferential treatment for 3D when everyone is getting screwed by Cover

>>63035253
>>63035269
>I wouldn't be surprised if
Astute observation that the first words in my post were that there's no proof. I'm speaking from my personal working experience that people who are introverted, see half of EN, have trouble denying requests at work to their own detriment
Council's anniversary was after their 3D showcase, grossly delayed and a different problem entirely, so we don't know whether this is a Myth or an EN problem

>>62974190
>>3D showcases
Like literally everyone. Except Myth got it 3years after debut (yeah yeah covid. covid is a bit of an overuse excuse)
>>being a guest in lots of 3D lives
???? She was invited like once?
>>HoloFes
Like literally everyone
>>HoloSummer
Like literally everyone
>>HoloGra
Like literally everyone
>>New year's 3D lives
Like literally everyone
>>Dokomi
That was years ago and others have had mini-concerts at convention too.
>>convention appearances
Just as much and as little as anyone
>>chances of her getting cool stuff in the foreseeable future
???? Like what?
>>a lot of Hololive clout to help her get things done
???????????
>>all of the above while being the runt of EN and a disrespectful Hololive member in general

Meanwhile holoX gets birthday live, anniversary live, 3D collabs and whatnot just months after debut. You can’t deny the bias.

All she asks for is ONE Myth anniversary live (after 3 years of nothing). And more conventions mini-concerts. (she got one in her entire career, wow, congrats)

>>62954898
>"Hey Yagoo, we as a myth want to do a Collab anniversary, can we get time for the studio after we all get together from traveling from literally across the world"
>"Sorry Kiara, holo X need another collab 3D using the study"
Also >>62954865
Nigger, there's a reason why she's venting, and holy god i'm thankful to her for actually telling things instead of silently coping with the situation, because fans of myth deserve to know what is happening instead of getting false hopes

An Open Letter in Support of Kiara's Concerns
For those of you just waking up, Kiara had a twitter space earlier this morning discussing her recent frustrations with Cover and one part in particular stood out to me as especially worrying.

Here is a brief summary provided to me by someone on discord about the portion in question:

49:05

Think it's cool that Suisei, Calli and some others have done 3D concerts for conventions, she wants to do that too
Tried to do that Dokomi in Germany but it wasn't an option

50:45

"ID also did that with Vivid cruise" - chat. "I wants to do something like that too... hellloooo?"
I'm never gonna get a solo real venue concert so can they at least get me to perform in 3D at a convention?
That's like the least they could do for me y'know?
I've just become really pessimistic at this point. I've just realized that there's not gonna be much done. For me.
I've been fighting really hard to not just get this birthday concert this year (which has been delayed half a year) and she's been insisting on getting an anniversary one too.
Because it's the third anniversary! We've been here for 3 years, we've never had one anniversary 3D.
I've been insisting on it since February but I haven't gotten ANYTHING about it. So probably not gonna get anything. Also doesn't look much better next year.
Doesn't seem like I'm gonna get anything like that next year, but I'm gonna continue insisting.
Because I feel like its only fair that after 3 years of being here and being so patient and working so hard and doing our own thing in the Ame studio, finding out own way of handling things.
Like.. y'know? The Japanese side gets first year, second year, third year, every year y'know?
And I've been waiting for 3 years. And 3 years is a lot in this.. business.. company really.
And 3 years is also such a special number so I'd have really liked to do that.
But, alas.
"time to push it early for the 4th year!" - chat
Nah it doesn't matter how early I push it.. like, I was very early. *sigh*
When I joined, the oldest gens were around for 3 years.
Back then they seemed super experienced, like super senpais right?
So now I'm also super experienced and super senpai, but if.. we just keep on having to do all these things by ourselves y'know?
It's a bit.. or very, what's the word.. when you get your hopes and dreams crushed *laughs*
Discouraging, yeah. Disheartening yeah that was the word I was looking for.
It's everything, all of those words.. frustrating, discouraging, unfair, demoralizing, fuck yeah, all of that.
But I'm not giving up. I'm not going to give up.
I want to do the same things that others get to do. At least ONCE."

Being a fan of HoloEN ever since 2020 has been bittersweet at times - with Covid keeping everyone isolated we were able to witness Myth somehow explode onto the scene and bring us all together despite never actually being in the same room. There was a certain pain behind all the scuff such as in their homegrown 3D VRchat from the 1st Anniversary that really added a personal element to their story, every small step of growth for them was also a small step for us. I still treasure that feeling when Ina was finally able to hug her gen-mates for real; the complete humanity of it all couldn't have been better written if it were fiction.

Moments like Astel pouring his heart and soul into bringing the magical POLAR EXPRESS
out of nowhere in his live felt like something out of Disney, especially seeing how he grinded in Apex that year to become an actual menace in Vsaikou. Or the gap-moe of having IRyS rant about anime and keyboards in her bedroom to HipRyS

completely dominating the stage in 3D are hard to replicate. These 3D lives and events literally add a whole 'nother dimension to our favorite talents and represent one of the few times that we as fans are truly able to celebrate their creativity and hardwork in a culmination of their idol journey.

Please give us more opportunities to celebrate our overseas talents Cover, I understand that there are bottlenecks at the studio but it is extremely concerning that things are difficult enough for Kiara to feel forced to voice her problems publicly.

Connect the World this year was a smash hit that I hope demonstrates just how dedicated we are as fans. Hopefully a compromise can be had that will be satisfactory to everyone because it really is each talent's "idol journey" that truly elevates Hololive to something special.

Edit: An important bit of context that I forgot to mention is that Myth as a whole wanted to have a 3rd Anniversary concert to conserve studio time but were then shot down in favor of individual concerts to make logistics easier, which were again denied or delayed until next year; her statements aren't purely out of self interest.

>>62897838
Kiara had a legitimate complaint that Myth never had a 3D anniversary even after 3 years. Management pushed them to the side for 3D studio time and there is a chance that might continue which is why she voiced those concerns. Cover is a Japanese corpo so they might not do anything but fans will at least know that Myth have been asking for a 3D anniversary since February and they were completely ignored.

>Whined about numbers after debut
>Was so jealous of Gura she took three months to ask for their first collab
>Seethed over Mori getting to sing Dawn Blue
>Pushed early Takamori so hard it became one of the most hated ships in Holo
>Made fun of Aki’s numbers
>Doxxed Subaru (unintentionally but it still counts)
>Stole Ame’s talk show idea
>Desperately tried to beat Ina to 1 million, still lost and then whined about it
>ARE YOU CRYING GURA
>Seethed over IRyS debuting next to her birthday
>Made fun of Council as a concept
>Whined about being left alone during peak impromptu collab season
>”see you nine months”
>Forced a collab relay for New Years Eve 2021
>Called fans spoiled for wanting more streams during the NA Myth offcollab
>Hates Bubba
>Gave everyone Covid while in NA
>Forced Ina to be in her birthday live
>Berated the girls for “not being prepared” during the 2022 anniversary stream despite being just as bad
>Dragged Ame on a trip she didn’t care about
>Never met IRyS while in Japan
>Probably encouraged Gura to be lazy (no concrete evidence but the timeframe matches up)
>Said she didn't feel welcome in Gura's chat but people went through logs and couldn't find anyone being annoyed by her
>Insulted Fauna’s ASMR
>Was a generally poor sport in AoE, now try harding out of jealousy
>called Mumei not sexy
>Bullied Raden about her smoking habit
>Thinks she should have preferential treatment for 3D when everyone is getting screwed by Cover

>>62886482
It's not his fault, it's fucking middle management (and sometimes direct management)
Hell, it's not even a universal issue in the company because (and forgive me for bringing it up, but it's an important comparison to draw) the homo management made a fucking VN for them (quality notwithstanding, it's the thought) and go out of their way for them meanwhile on the Holo side you have them going COMPLETELY off the grid like IRyS's, being too dumb to tie their own shoes if a contract isn't involved (J-"chad"), or promoted out of a position where they're in direct contact (Jenma save for making sure she's still Kiara's, bless her soul)
Complaints should be made smartly about things such as maybe setting aside some studio time to let Myth have a proper anniversary in the studio together after how much they put up with, and also searching for proper sponsorship opportunities like Tales for the other girls (if they want it)
It's stupid and non-productive to lash out and attack everything including the highest structure, complaints should be orderly and well-structured so people LISTEN and agree instead of knee-jerking to aggressive language

>Whined about numbers after debut
>Was so jealous of Gura she took three months to ask for their first collab
>Seethed over Mori getting to sing Dawn Blue
>Pushed early Takamori so hard it became one of the most hated ships in Holo
>Made fun of Aki’s numbers
>Doxxed Subaru (unintentionally but it still counts)
>Stole Ame’s talk show idea
>Desperately tried to beat Ina to 1 million, still lost and then whined about it
>ARE YOU CRYING GURA
>Seethed over IRyS debuting next to her birthday
>Made fun of Council as a concept
>Whined about being left alone during peak impromptu collab season
>”see you nine months”
>Forced a collab relay for New Years Eve 2021
>Called fans spoiled for wanting more streams during the NA Myth offcollab
>Hates Bubba
>Gave everyone Covid while in NA
>Forced Ina to be in her birthday live
>Berated the girls for “not being prepared” during the 2022 anniversary stream despite being just as bad
>Dragged Ame on a trip she didn’t care about
>Never met IRyS while in Japan
>Probably encouraged Gura to be lazy (no concrete evidence but the timeframe matches up)
>Said she didn't feel welcome in Gura's chat but people went through logs and couldn't find anyone being annoyed by her
>Insulted Fauna’s ASMR
>Was a generally poor sport in AoE, now try harding out of jealousy
>called Mumei not sexy
>Bullied Raden about her smoking habit
>Thinks she should have preferential treatment for 3D when everyone is getting screwed by Cover