/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>54976331
Omega tranny was responsible for the council flop and got shitcanned.

>>54920203
>Council was a flop. None of them rode their debut waves.
didn't council get their subs cut in half like 2 times by youtube in the first weeks?
Wonder if that had any long lasting effects on their growth.

>>54920203
>Council was a flop

>>54920030
Council was a flop. None of them rode their debut waves. Kronii who was inclining fast chose to debuff herself to keep the others from losing steam.

Is Advent a flop? Council had like 40k viewers on their first streams.

>>54695502
Council is also a flop

small corpos won, poached all the good talents, fuck you Yagoo for delaying EN3, also fuck Councilrys, Council flop so hard EN3 got delayed

>>54543210
Just like Council flopped this new gen will flop too

>>54533520
They won't flop, not right away at least, there's a lot of hype riding on this debut, however the damage that Council and years of stagnation did can't be denied and the streams won't reach more than 50k at best, to put things on perspective Council reached 400k or so free subs before their debut, but EN3 is barely breaking 100k.

>>54406083
It didn't work the 2nd time though? Council was a flop.

>>54433968
Council was a legitimate flop though. Have any of them hit 1 million subs yet? Two HoloX have.

>>54338197
This narrative of Council being a flop is nonsense. Every hololive group is more influential and more financially viable than any other indie or corpo. Council did fine, hence why there is now a gen 3. If Council had flopped then Cover wouldn't bother.

>>54296721
I was right about HoloX except I didn't think Koyori would crawl to #1 in CCV and Chloe would be a sub queen. I was right about Council except I thought Bae would at least be 2nd and Fauna would flop. I was right about Gen5 with Botan being the most popular.

>>54275089
now your just putting words in my mouth.
but no ones ever 100% honest anon, if that were true we wouldnt have personas.
>>54275208
>It's easy to contest because no one knows what Cover's expectations for Council were.
its safe to assume cover wanted council to do as well as myth, thats just how companies work.
>JP set a new personal record for themselves and are creeping up on the all time record themselves, but no one can claim that HoloX is a flop
JP also has 40 other vtubers who slowly grew to where they were, they didnt have a blow out with a single generation for a branch on release before myth happened.
its like making good but not that popular music but then you make a banger and now everyone one expects a great follow up because they cant get enough.
holo clearly hasnt done JP6 because fans have got enough to be satisfied, everyone is stable for the most part and adding more could spread the fanbase thin, like what happened to nijien.
holoen on the other hand has fans craving for more for the last 2 years.

>>54275032
>one thats hard to contest
It's easy to contest because no one knows what Cover's expectations for Council were.
>when en had the longest time period between gens ever.
JP set a new personal record for themselves and are creeping up on the all time record themselves, but no one can claim that HoloX is a flop, in fact they were wildly successful. Just because Cover didn't immediately pump out a new gen doesn't mean they thought the previous gen didn't mean expectations.

>>54261067
No because Fulgur was right and Council was a flop. Advent will do much better than them.

Vtubing already peaked with Myth.
Council was a flop, NijiEN was a failure outside of China, and VShojo only have twitch addicts watching them.
It's not going to be a household name like people thought it'd be, just another niche media.

>doing the exact same “THERE’S NO HYPE IT’LL FLOP” shit you did with CtW, Our Bright Parade, Link Your Wish and Council
Get new material

Breach will be an even harder flop than council. Wont even reach 20k ccv at the debuts.

>>54132746
Still better than Council, that really was a flop.

>>54122060
>No one at a million subs 2 years later. Hasn’t happened for any gen since the existence of gen 3
>No one averaging 10k viewers
>No big music views
>Largest non debut stream is sub 50k
Yes council is a flop with ID2

>>54121894
>Council was a flop
Fungus please....

>>54120759
Nta
>2 year drought
>Years of trepidation
>New gen to the 2nd most underwhelming Hololive branch
Cover either thought girls was no longer a brand worth investing in or no one in en was worth hiring neither inspire faith. Council was a flop and the west is falling apart. So yea a flop is very possible

100k debut though in my humble opinion

>>54104892
What do you consider to be a flop for HoloEN? Even council, who "flopped" still gets better viewer numbers than the top girls in NijiEN