/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66120239
>why haven't you considered unionizing your work place to prevent your management from fucking you, Anon?
Nijisanji literally did that with the whole Niji-resitance thing and the only thing that came out of it was clique favoritism since management realized that they only needed to please the heads.

>>66120239
No one will ever want to unionize if you connect it to fucking Stalin. I guess that's the point here.

I lost my job because I refused to get COVID shot, and I was the only person in that company to do so, so there was no one I could unionize with anyway.

>>66120239
Unionizing is gay and not in a good way, so fuck off

why haven't you considered unionizing your work place to prevent your management from fucking you, Anon?

>>66098906
There's a thin line between shitposting and shitting on the company, I agree. The 2% thing is entirely fabricated BECAUSE OF MYSTA though, and it's management's own fault that it continues to perpetuate because they A) didn't tardwrangle him and B) don't bother debunking it even though it's so pervasive that it's all people were spamming during Filian's vtuber awards. I agree if your goal in shitting on management is just to bring down the mood then you're a troll, but a lot of the complaints are entirely legitimate and repeating them doesn't make them less true. Much of the criticism IS constructive and is pleading with fans and livers alike to speak up and stop tolerating abuse. It may seem like pure negativity to you, but throughout history this is how change happens. People didn't unionize or gain labor rights out of the blue, it often took years of swaying both the public and the workers before conditions were in place to make the plunge into full on strikes and boycotts. I get it, posting on 4chan seems like it's futile, but if shitposters were able to destroy Niji's reputation through posting on 4chan then it should be equally possible to fix its reputation through posting on 4chan. If people stopped spamming le 2% xD and started spamming to give Pomu her home3D, maybe she wouldn't be graduating. 4chan has always been a platform for speaking truths that you aren't allowed to say anywhere else. Simply being able to complain is important in itself even if you're just doing it to vent your own frustrations. No one is required to read it, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to post it. I'd honestly rather get spammed with >168 every time I complain about management than stay silent even if /soc/posting might get more (You)'s.

>>66078973
Management will never improve unless they're forced to, it would take their "livers" unionizing to force it, I see no other way at this point

>>66076275
This is such a pipe dream that I wish would happen. Complete unionization. The group stays together, the company leaves. I wish wish wish this were the case.

>>65981058
Literally propaganda by corporations trying to demonized Unions.
Get unionized.

>>65612354
>The intent of generating a more unionizing language model, that in this case is predicated on the assumption of it before being wrong is something interesting, I can't say if it's wrong or not, but simply discarding it because it goes against previous structures may not be the approach to take, as even if it might feel wrong, fully discarding in instead of observing what is the objective behind such idea might give something more to see.

It's not that it's just non-standard. It wasn't just made with the intent of generating a more unionizing language.
It was made by, and with the intent of pleasing, primarily english speaking communities, when the actual latin american community had been using Latine for YEARS before anyone even tried to put any Xs anywhere.

>>65611799
>but it's still wrong on a language level.
The intent of generating a more unionizing language model, that in this case is predicated on the assumption of it before being wrong is something interesting, I can't say if it's wrong or not, but simply discarding it because it goes against previous structures may not be the approach to take, as even if it might feel wrong, fully discarding in instead of observing what is the objective behind such idea might give something more to see.

>>65611890
iLoidtupo Versus MerlieAzoth - Discussion on the use of Latinx- Full debate (3h23m15s) 720p60fps

>>65611994
maybe.

>>65612016
i also say it like that, yes, as I don't use it normally speaking, and by saying it that way it flows the best out of my mouth.

>>65612066
I'm sorry for failing you, anon.

The default answer to problems between employees/employers and parties in contracts. But few actually consider what, by definition, unionization actually means. There's a reason why some fields are entirely unionized, and others are not.
Leaving that aside, do the livers even have leverage here if they were to negotiate as a group, with or without a formal union? Nobody here can know because the contracts are private. But, I feel like the answer is likely "no".

>>65342453
this is EN's chance
declare that you're unionizing, then you'll all get fired and can start your own group without management or giving anycolor a cut for doing nothing
go big or go home selen

>>65300982
I mean, it does send the message that they should move somewhere else. I'm never gonna stop watching my oshi but I understand the sentiment of boycotting something. It's the same logic as boycotting Starbucks because they don't let their employees unionize. Yes that means stores will close and people will be fired, but it's the only way you can change anything in this society.

>>65232632
The elves have unionized. I repeat, the elves have unionized. This is a code Rudolph, the Reindeer with be unchained.

Do you think the phase girls are unionized?

>>64768136
You're the reason that workers unionize and managers leave to start their own companies.

>>64625989
NTA, but as someone in the labour movement I can name a few. James P. Hoffa was the biggest one. Though more common these days is parasitic law firms taking control of dysfunctional unions.
That being said, these are very, VERY small parts of the labour movement as a whole. While it's definitely a problem, it's not even the biggest dysfunction we have.
We're definitely not propping up an entire social class of bougie technocrats on our backs. It's like government work: the pay is shit compared to the private sector, but we aren't applying for new jobs every five years.

Still massively off-topic for /vt/ though.
Got a union vtuber for us? Not, like, unionized. But maybe one of those quirky, hipster millennial types whose autistic fixation on trains also overlaps with rail unions and labour organizing.
And not just an insufferable breadtuber.

>>64619221
Yeah meneither.
Cover is becoming more and more like a soulless corpo and honestly I feel sorry for the girls because it's their hard work and talent being exploited really hard and I don't think Cover deserves it. Marine should organize with the girls and unionize.

>>64543804
>They almost lost their whole gen 1 because they "unionized"
when did this happen

>>64543622
Phase just barely dodged some bombs as well. They almost lost their whole gen 1 because they "unionized" just like gen 3 did. It's probably culture difference as well because jp management can't reallt reason with western zoomer due to the difference in work culture

THE VTUBERS ARE UNIONIZING

>>64388488
>they unionized and brought a demand letter to him
And he calmed them down with facts and logic

>>64388364
I imagine it's because he's mellowed out compared to the first year. He didn't know shit about the industry in 2021 and according to Pippa they unionized and brought a demand letter to him . The attempted mass graduation is common knowledge at this point. But Iori, Uruka and Lia have hung out with him and Pippa jokes about him all the time.