misterbros...

[Anonymous No.9864039]

we win again

[Anonymous No.9864045]

What is the improvement over software emulation for these games?

[Anonymous No.9864073]

are you playing the nogames64, dreamcast, gc, ps2, etc.?

didn't think so mistersisters

[Anonymous No.9864101]

Why does the mister have to justify itself in every single thread? It’s just an open source emulator box for people that can’t stand retroarch and like to use a CRT what’s so hard to understand

[Anonymous No.9864102]

>>9864101
we can't stop winning mister bros

[Anonymous No.9864104]

>>9864101
theres alot of mental illness on the internet

[Anonymous No.9864107]

>>9864039
So let me get this straight, for each game you play on the mister you need a separate motherboard?

[Anonymous No.9864112]

>>9864107

[Anonymous No.9864126]

>>9864112
kek
>>9864107
its my understanding that mister emulates boards

[Anonymous No.9864154]

>>9864045
no latency, and in the case of arcade cores, generally more accurate than MAME (not a very high bar).

[Anonymous No.9864209]

>>9864045
I don't believe the hype for this thing but if they can start getting arcade games to run without relying on MAME or Final Burn I might become a believer. Some things run really well, others not so much. That's a long way off though I'm sure, the most popular things will get ported/hardware level emulated/reimplemented or whatever they're calling it and the popular things already run well through the software emulators. Aside from more complex things that the de10 might never be able to do.

But if this thing seems more arcade games I might consider one for the snac control input and ability to output to a crt. Might be able to build a solid multi arcade machine cabinet.

[Anonymous No.9864271]

>>9864154
>generally more accurate than MAME
Sadly many of the cores are essentially the MAME core translated to VHDL, warts and all. You at least get the (large compared to mame) input latency benefits, but you get all the bullshit that comes from MAMEdev's penchant for eyeballing the requirements of the custom chips.

[Anonymous No.9864284]

>>9864271
Wrong, a lot are from scratch and being reverse engineered with logic analyzers and even decaps. Nice try emunigger.

[Anonymous No.9864287]

>>9864284
nta but its both
sometimes corners are cut to rush a core out
then they go back and get it to 1:1 accuracy

[Anonymous No.9864310]

Fuck off MiSTER. Just get the Analogue Pocket and you're set for life, especially with the grip from etsy. You can get sick skins for it too. Flawless up to neogeo/16bit on a truly overkill screen.

One downside is I'm afraid to use it on public transit. The 280v is king for casual use, though that's emulation.

[Anonymous No.9864315]

>>9864284
A lot doesn't preclude "many" being MAME derived. I was *most* disappointed to find out that DoDonPachi was a direct port of the MAME driver. SHMUPs are the go to example of a genre that requires pixel perfect, millisecond accuracy and it was hashed. The Mister could do with more Kevtris's and fewer Duckstations.

[Anonymous No.9864323]

>>9864310
No one’s gonna know the difference between a cheap or expensive game boy you’ll get robbed either way if they want to

[Anonymous No.9864328]

There are only a handful of arcade boards I still want left to make cores for. like left, notably the Sega System 18 and PGM. Just give me those and fix up the Japanese PCs and this thing will be perfect. I will probably still be using the Mister until I am dead, I love this slavic clone console and will continue shilling it.

[Anonymous No.9864332]

>>9864315
The Progear one is one of the better ones since Jotego made it at least right?

[Anonymous No.9864337]

>>9864039
No one cares about your dumb YouTube channel. You literally spam links to your videos every single on any retro site you can find. You've been banned from multiple subreddits on Reddit, forums, and social media for your idiotic shameless self promotion.

Face it. You've been doing it for 6 years. You won't make it big. No one cares. You won't make a living making YouTube videos. Your channel is tiny. Get back to your day job.

[Anonymous No.9864342]

what would I need if I wanted to play specifically N64 and GBA/GBC?

[Anonymous No.9864348]

>>9864337
meds

[Anonymous No.9864350]

>>9864342
An N64, even software emulators pale in comparison to the real thing and the Mister core in development is a ways off and might not even be compatible with current hardware

[Anonymous No.9864356]

>>9864350
which is why I asked, if its better to just get original hardware atm then I'll go with that. I just figured if there was potentially something that could play it in the foreseeable future

[Anonymous No.9864358]

>>9864356
Yeah better off getting original hardware and a flash cart. PC emulation is still full of glitching textures and micro stutter. ItS unplayable if you have any standards

[Anonymous No.9864359]

>>9864337
holy based, tell these youtroons

[Anonymous No.9864361]

>>9864039
Question for CRT users, if I hook up a MiSTer to a standard definition consumer CRT can I still play arcade games that may not have run at typical refresh rates on real hardware? Like I think Mortal Kombat wasn't standard.

[Anonymous No.9864362]

>>9864039
no

[Anonymous No.9864367]

>>9864039
I fell for the MiSTer meme and I don't really get the appeal. There is hundreds of issues in the github of inaccuracies and other issues so clearly it's not as accurate as everyone likes to claim. It has barebone features compared to standard emulation, and the UI is cluttered and not user-friendly at all, the controller configuration and rebinding and turbo is poorly implemented, and it's a pain in the ass to remove the SD card and hook it up to a PC any time you want to make changes.

The Arcade core had a ton of issues (games were improper oritentation, garbage pixels, etc.), but apparently there is another Arcade core that is supposed to be more accurate, I have no fucking idea, I just stopped bothering at that point and went back to RetroArch.

Also the latency shit is way overblown. You have to enable a specific mode setting to actually get low lag, and that mdoe causes the screen to go black temporarily any time you change a video setting.

[Anonymous No.9864375]

>>9864367
> mdoe causes the screen to go black temporarily any time you change a video setting.
that's a TV problem, not a mister problem.

[Anonymous No.9864378]

>>9864361
It depends on the TV but most will allow it. Pal 50/60 sets are the most likely to support it but for the most part you just need to try it and see. R-Type runs at 55hz and I have been playing it on a CRT no problem but your mileage may differ.

[Anonymous No.9864395]

>>9864367
you can access the sd card from your pc through your home router and make any changes you need.

[Anonymous No.9864401]

>>9864367
you dont have a mister lol

[Anonymous No.9864406]

>>9864401
He is right that the interface is hot ass tho.

[Anonymous No.9864408]

>>9864406
he's still just a retarded false flagger

[Anonymous No.9864415]

MiSTards I have a simple question. Can the PS1 core toggle the ugly dithering layer some games display over all video? Because unless you have a terrible CRT, those look bad even on original hardware over composite.

[Anonymous No.9864418]

>>9864415
yes, you can turn dithering on or off with the ps1 core

[Anonymous No.9864424]

>>9864418
Intredasting. I could see making the investment once they get DC and N64 down then, it's not like my retroarch/pi setup will do anything newer than that anyway.

[Anonymous No.9864436]

>>9864408
>>9864406
>>9864401
wait so anyone who says anything critical is a flase flagger, anyone who praises mister is based and real and very much one of /ourguys/ am I getting that right lmao

[Anonymous No.9864438]

>>9864436
No it's quite easy to tell a false flagger because only an idiot would fall for "the mister meme" and drop $300+ only to be disappointed and not research any of it, not join communities or discussions to figure out those cores, i've been in plenty of retro communities and never once seen buyers remorse from anyone buying a mister because they know what they're getting when they buy it

[Anonymous No.9864443]

>>9864436
post your mister lol

you won't because it doesn't exist, lololol

[Anonymous No.9864445]

>>9864438
these idiots just dont want to feel like theyre casual videogame players and they think mister users are elitists.

[Anonymous No.9864446]

i kind of want one

[Anonymous No.9864448]

>>9864443
I'm not that anon retard, but i also acknowledge we have anywhere between 3-5 mister threads going at any one time with very incessant "anons" telling everyone how critical it is they buy one and brushing any of the myriad of issues they have under the rug.

[Anonymous No.9864453]

>>9864448
cool head cannon but every mister thread i see no one is putting the mister on a pedastal only saying what they like about it and most even say they use software emulation as well, it's just u retards that see it as some sort of attack on software emulation because it is actually better

[Anonymous No.9864469]

>>9864337
I can see why his channel has zero growth, he's shilling it without even telling anyone what it is

[Anonymous No.9864478]

>>9864342
N64 is an unknown right now. it may not be fullspeed accurate on mister. if n64 is a must for you I'd wait and see. also keep an eye on the mistex project.

[Anonymous No.9864492]

>>9864448
we usually have between one and zero mister threads at a time and they're all full of shitposters false flagging and literal retroarch shills

[Anonymous No.9864496]

>>9864367
I checked out the GitHub issues section on a few cores and they're all issues with shitty romhacks and people not understanding how overscan works. almost nothing to do with accuracy

[Anonymous No.9864524]

>>9864496
picrel

the one mainline core that is really shit and hacky is the neo geo core, I wish someone would come back to that and fix it up

[Anonymous No.9864547]

>>9864524
The furry that made in is working on Neo CD right now so hopefully some fixes get rolled in

[Anonymous No.9864567]

>>9864039
>Not one lost about Ninja Turtles
misterfags are so easy to btfo

[Anonymous No.9864576]

>>9864469
>I can see why his channel has zero growth, he's shilling it without even telling anyone what it is

I guarantee you OP is him. This dude literally has made an account on almost every major retro gaming site out there. He tries to stealth promote his channel so he doesn't get banned or caught by keyword search used by the mods. He does the same shit on Reddit. He changes the title, or uses only pictures to avoid the banhammer.

He makes a shitty low tier video every 24 hours. It's the same shit. 10 minutes of gameplay footage where he rambles from a script. The video will have almost no edits because its simple and saves time.

He even does bullshit like:
"I think the music in this game is awesome. So have a listen for 3 minutes from the soundtrack. Then I will get back to you."

...just so he can hit the 10 minute mark in YouTube videos to get more revenue. He deletes any comments that he doesn't like. Even constructive comments of people telling him tips on how to improve his videos.

He also made multiple accounts on Reddit and samefags. Any criticism suddenly had the same 7 or 8 accounts appearing minutes later to defend him. Very obvious.

The guy is delusional. And thinks he will make it big if he spams his videos everywhere. 6 years of his lame shit and he is still a nobody. Just an annoyance.

[Anonymous No.9864639]

>>9864576
he helped me set up my overclocked psx core, you are just obsessed.

[Anonymous No.9864658]

>>9864271
I know one game, Makaimura/GnG, has been emulated to the point that the guy managed to reproduce the weird color flashes which occur in certain situations on a real PCB. It's funny to see something like that emulated, because for a while there was debate about if it were failing boardsets or a design flaw/bug.

[Anonymous No.9864679]

>>9864639
No one cares. Go promote your failed channel elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.9864682]

>>9864576
still have no idea what channel youre talking about though

[Anonymous No.9864696]

>>9864424
>DC
kek, you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.9864758]

>>9864682
schizo's obsessed with the source of the screenshot for some reason, even though the topic is the new core

[Anonymous No.9864772]

>>9864271
The Irem M92 core is already running Ninja Baseball Bat Man with less visual glitches than MAME, and that core's first alpha release was barely a month ago.

[Anonymous No.9864815]

>>9864772
I have nothing against the Mister, but I wonder if all that work for the particular chip the Mister use (and from what I understand, if they ever switch to another FPGA chip later, they'll have to start the port all over again) would just have been better put to just improving Mame's cores
Or am I comparing Apples to Oranges in some ways?

[Anonymous No.9864827]

>>9864815
When things are found when reverse engineering these boards and implemented into FPGA, it's all documented. That means the bugs in MAME can be fixed. Ninja Baseball Batman in MAME may not have the glitching cutscenes anymore because of the work done on the mister core.

[Anonymous No.9864831]

>>9864045
There isn't any. It's a waste of fucking money

[Anonymous No.9864838]

>>9864827
What a load of nonsense. Mame's team doesn't need help for Mister. They are doing fine.

[Anonymous No.9864840]

>>9864356
For now for the N64 yes, better to get the original hardware. The core being developed might have to rely on not being 100% accurate to fit on the MiSTer, if it will be able to fit at all. But it's being done not just so it can work on the MiSTer, but to develop the groundwork for an accurate FPGA-based N64 core for the MiSTerX project as well as cycle-accurate software emulators when PCs will have CPUs powerful enough one day to actually run it.

For just about any other hardware the MiSTer is near-indistinguishable from the real hardware and generally better than software emulation. Also it's far cheaper and less of a hassle for things like arcade cores or the more rare and/or expensive consoles such as the Atari Jaguar or for the various computer cores so you don't have to have a wall of old computers that could be a hassle to setup and get working.

>>9864424
DC is far far FAR out of MiSTer's league, arguable if any FPGA in the near future that would not be far into the four if not five figures range could be able to handle that.

>>9864448
Nearly every MiSter thread I have seen admits that if you don't care about the accuracy/lag/analog output and just want to play games then you are better off just using software emulation. Nobody is arguing that you NEED a MiSTer if you are not very into the hobby and are aiming for an original hardware-like accuracy.

[Anonymous No.9864841]

>>9864831
this doesn't happen on the Mister :), only MAME is this INACCURATE

seethe, cope and shit yourself retard

>>9864838
seething poorfag

[Anonymous No.9864905]

>>9864815
That's what the MiSTerX project is. Porting/releasing cores for a more general FPGA design to make them easily portable to any future FPGA that might arise to replace the one on the DE-10 Nano.

And it's indeed apples to oranges. There is a difference between writing a hardware description to arrange the gates in a FPGA to electronically mimic specific hardware and trying to replicate the inputs and outputs of hardware through 100% software.

>>9864827
THIS!

When stuff is shared between MiSTer/software emulators, it's mostly the lower-level understanding of the hardware, so that it can then be implemented in software/MiSTer. It's not just taking MAME code and tossing it into a FPGA, you can't just take bsnes_main.c and compile it as bsnes_main.fpga and toss it on the DE-10. If the understanding is flawed, then you are likely going to write flawed code regardless of what platform it's on or if it's software or FPGA.

Implementing it in different ways however CAN help understand how the hardware works better, and then that implementation can be used to update a software emulator or FPGA core.

The guy working on N64 isn't just making a MiSTer core, nor is that even his primary objective. He is making both a cycle-accurate software emulator as well as an accurate FPGA implementation. The purpose of which is to better understand the hardware and better re-create it in either software or FPGA. No consumer PC is going to be able to run said emulator for years because it's well beyond the demands of any current CPU and will be beyond it for a while, and a 100% accurate N64 core will not fit on the DE-10, but it's laying down the groundwork for when PCs will be able to handle such emulation someday as well as the groundwork for when a more powerful FPGA is viable to run the core on as well as for making a stripped-down slightly less accurate version of the core that will run on the current MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.9864907]

>>9864905
There is a reason FPGAzumSpass used Mario Kart 64 to show off his current alpha work on his N64 implementation, and specifically used Luigi Raceway. The Jumbotron on that course was not working in software emulators for YEARS, only finally being fixed in like 2020 or so I believe.... FPGAzumSpass's example video had it working exactly as it would on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.9864914]

>>9864045
The two biggest pros are emulation accuracy and input lag. It's also got good options for both analog and digital outputs so it's good to use on any kind of display.

If you are satisfied with software emulation, there's really no point in building one. But I do think they are pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.9864919]

>>9864914
Mister is no more accurate than an accurate software emulator. Lag can be better because there's no operating system involved.

[Anonymous No.9865118]

>>9864907
>The Jumbotron on that course was not working in software emulators for YEARS, only finally being fixed in like 2020 or so I believe....

You believe wrong, it’s a really simple framebuffer effect that hasn’t been an issue for a long, long time. The only reason it incorrectly got around as being difficult is because people with shitty hardware (eg Pi users) struggling to hit full speed turn the frame buffer off so that effect then breaks. It’s more likely he chose to show MK64 becuase it’s one of the easiest games to emulate, not becuase there’s anything impressive about it.

[Anonymous No.9865128]

finally in 2023, I can finally emulate tmnt arcade.

[Anonymous No.9865139]

Has anyone tried out these y/c adapters?

[Anonymous No.9865141]

>>9864154
So what are the problems with MAME in this game?

[Anonymous No.9865145]

>>9864827
Based mister autists porting the fixes back into mame making the hardware unnecessary

[Anonymous No.9865151]

>>9865128
I’ll put it right next to my Xbox that’s been doing it for 20 years. Op was trolling right?

[Anonymous No.9865152]

>>9865151
>I’ll put it right next to my Xbox that’s been doing it for 20 years incorrectly
fixed

[Anonymous No.9865160]

>>9864919
Really depends on what core we're talking about. Sure, there is cycle accurate NES and SNES emulation available on PC. But it's incredibly CPU intensive, people shit on bsnes for requiring a 3GHz CPU, but that's really what it takes for true cycle accurate software emulation. FPGA's are much better suited for this. You're not going to find cycle accurate software emulation available for most of the arcade game cores, or anything beyond the 16-bit era of consoles.

[Anonymous No.9865168]

>>9865160
Cycle accuracy also doesn't really matter beyond the 16 bit generation. There's 2 SNES games which care about cycle accuracy, outside of which the "balanced" bsnes preset works perfectly. For the Playstation there's no games, and different models of actual hardware are not cycle-accurate or even frame-accurate to each other any way.

[Anonymous No.9865175]

>>9864039
fuckkk yeah my $600 emulation box can now play TMNT! I have been waiting for this momemt all my life

[Anonymous No.9865183]

>>9865160
>But it's incredibly CPU intensive, people shit on bsnes for requiring a 3GHz CPU

That 3ghz figure is from a decade old article and was only true for a couple of edge case games. My old ass i3-6330 runs everything with the CPU at about 30% utilisation, for modern processors it will be even more trivial to run. Cycle accurate Megadrive and NES runs on toasters. People ideas about software emulation, be it the quality or the myth of cycle accuracy being incredibly CPU intensive to run belong to a past age and don’t reflect where we are in 2023. And that is why people think MiSTer is so great, because they have been told software emaultion is something that it isn’t and aren’t knowledgable enough to know any better.

[Anonymous No.9865189]

>>9865183
lol

[Anonymous No.9865201]

For me, it's the low lag, and the ease of hooking it up to a crt and quickly switching between consoles. Accuracy wise software emulators have been good enough for me.

[Anonymous No.9865209]

>>9865201
yeah, you have to jump through a few hoops to get properly synchronized analog video out of software emulators, and even then there's a latency penalty.

[Anonymous No.9865217]

>>9865118
>You believe wrong, it’s a really simple framebuffer effect that hasn’t been an issue for a long, long time. The only reason it incorrectly got around as being difficult is because people with shitty hardware (eg Pi users) struggling to hit full speed turn the frame buffer off so that effect then breaks.

Thanks for exposing you are both a zoomie and have no idea what you're talking about. Anyone who was around with the N64 emulation scene years YEARS before the Pi was even a thing knows damn well that effect was broken for a long time. If he wanted an easier game to emulate he would have chosen Mario 64.

[Anonymous No.9865236]

>>9865217
It’s true that early N64 emulators had no frame buffer emulation, but it’s been fixed for a least a decade now as that’s when I bought my first PC and the effects all worked. So sorry if I’m not particularly impressed with him replicating an effect that has been sorted for at least a decade and is completely documented to the point it’s no issue for him to implement, the hard works already been done by someone else.

[Anonymous No.9865282]

>>9865183
bsnes never used more than 25% of my system resources even when streaming to twitch at 1080p60fps, but you know what? it never could give me a smooth experience like mister. it hitched and teared like a motherfucker, even after bsnes incorporated retroarchs audio video sync to display thing. and if you wanted to lower the audio delay to where it wasnt noticable you got pops and clicks and shit. same shit with mesen and mame.

whatever mister is doing to make snes games run flawlessly on an hdtv, why the hell couldnt any software emulator I've ever tried? it must be dropping a frame or something. its unnoticable and there is zero audio delay.

[Anonymous No.9865297]

>>9865282
snes runs slightly faster than a typical monitor so you need vrr or a specifically configured modeline for it to synchronise right on a desktop os.

[Anonymous No.9865303]

>>9865297
my mister is hooked up to the same tv I'd play bsnes on. what the hell is it doing that bsnes never could?

[Anonymous No.9865317]

>>9865303
Because there's no OS in the way, the core itself is in full control of video timing.
With vsync_adjust=2 Mister doesn't even have to buffer video. When the emulated SNES PPU outputs a line, that's exactly when the FPGA outputs a line.
Under retroarch and with a properly configured modeline or with VRR you can achieve something similar to vsync_adjust=1, but you have to go out of your way to set it up.

[Anonymous No.9865323]

and before someone comes in and says "lol dude learn to tweak setteings lmao" I edited and compiled bsnes so it would vertically integer scale to full screen at 1080p like higan. you ever try to compile bsnes and hunt down all the fucking obscure fucking software and libraries necessary that nobody but the kind of autists that make shit like bsnes ever heard of? checkboxes and ini files aint shit

[Anonymous No.9865340]

>>9865323
i dont expect anyone but 3rd worlders to hate on the mister so i dont really care

[Anonymous No.9865341]

>>9865282
>whatever mister is doing to make snes games run flawlessly on an hdtv, why the hell couldnt any software emulator I've ever tried?

Because recreating the hardware in a FPGA and simulating the hardware 100% in software with a CPU are completely different things? The whole point of the MiSTer is to re-create the hardware as accurately as possible in a FPGA to avoid these issues and reduce lag.

[Anonymous No.9865345]

>>9865340
t. too poor for original hardware

[Anonymous No.9865352]

>>9865345
I have over 30 arcade pcbs, 50 neo geo carts and numerous console carts anon, you're shitting in the wrong yard, lol

[Anonymous No.9865354]

>>9865352
is that why you shill for emulation?

[Anonymous No.9865360]

>>9865354
let the adults worry about the hardware
just stick with retroarch pablo, lmao

[Anonymous No.9865364]

>>9865360
Hahaha, so you're stupid rather than a liar.

[Anonymous No.9865365]

>>9865364
sorry, i dont speak taco runes
too busy enjoying games here

[Anonymous No.9865369]

>>9865365
>too busy enjoying games here
I accept your concession emufag

[Anonymous No.9865373]

>>9865369
>noo you can't enjoy games in more than one way you need to pick a side, preferably the cheapest option and argue about it online
He was right. You are a taco nigger

[Anonymous No.9865383]

>>9865373
Was >>9865340 you or someone else?

[Anonymous No.9865643]

>>9865303
It's probably capping frame rate to 60 if you get no tears or stutters on mister, and that means it's slower than a real snes. The fact you're getting screen tearing on a 60hz monitor means the emulator is running the games at the proper speed.

[Anonymous No.9865724]

>>9864827
>>9864905
cool, thanks for the answers!

[Anonymous No.9865908]

Why does every Mister thread turn into autistic shitflinging

[Anonymous No.9865927]

>>9865908
Because youtubers like it and this site is insufferably counterculture

[Anonymous No.9866017]

>>9864378
That's good to know that there's at least a little bit of leniency. I'm guessing the mid-definition 24khz games won't work but there aren't a lot of those on MiSTer anyway, if any at all.

[Anonymous No.9866021]

quick question that didn't deserve its own thread:
what is the general opinion of modern replicas of old controllers? Am I better off just buying an original pad? I'm trying to decide if I should bother with SNAC inputs or not. My main concern is accuracy and maintaining the "feel" of an original pad

[Anonymous No.9866030]

>>9865927
Good, there's a million sites on the internet that are so pro-culture they aggressively attack and ban anyone that doesn't automatically tow the party line on every single topic. It's ok for a handful of websites left that challenge everything, even if it gets old at times.

[Anonymous No.9866048]

>>9864154
>no latency
Well, that's not true.
https://rstudio-pubs-static.s3.amazonaws.com/946885_5d47724dc6244636b7820b19521e22cd.html

[Anonymous No.9866101]

>>9864840
>>9864478
I'll keep my eye on the misterX stuff, also did anyone of you happen to have the link for a SNAC adapter for N64?

[Anonymous No.9866120]

>>9864045
for the 9 billionth time answering this here's my takeaway:
the improvement is 100% accurate emulation and zero input lag. I don't know if I would be able to tell the difference because I'm bad at games but if you're some kind of speedrunner or top level gamer it might be worth it.
otherwise it's a cool toy, but still just that.

[Anonymous No.9866127]

>>9864356
I think these days saturn and n64 are the only retro consoles you *need* the hardware for. Everything else has good enough software emulation for 99.9% of people.

[Anonymous No.9866129]

>>9866120
I feel like for speedrunning its gonna be a hard tell, cause you'd have to have some kind of display or something showing inputs to tell if its emulation or not. also with the way things are better for them to move over to MiSTer anyway since most of the hardware is degrading anyway

[Anonymous No.9866140]

>>9866129
I mean I could see the scene moving towards MiSTer as an official device if it really is 100% accurate to the real thing.
I mean there'd have to be some kind of way to verify that someone isn't using savestates or other tools but I could see it happening

[Anonymous No.9866142]

>>9866048
You can use SNAC though if 1ms of lag bothers you, that's gonna have zero.

[Anonymous No.9866162]

>>9866140
>savestates
I mean they already kinda have to allow that for practice runs but not actual runs. Cause as of right now you can do that easily with the everdrive and NSO. only thing that might be unaffected is gamecube and up cause the way autists are with speedrunning it just has to be OEM hardware otherwise its emulation

[Anonymous No.9866173]

>>9866120
>100% accurate emulation and zero input lag
There is no such thing as 100% accurate emulation, and the MISTer does have some input lag, depending on the controller.

[Anonymous No.9866176]

>>9866048
drastically less than software emulation

[Anonymous No.9866513]

>>9866140
>if it really is 100% accurate to the real thing.
This is the big caveat because the MiSTer community is really bad at clarity about this. The nature of FPGA means it COULD be as accurate as any hardware implementation since you're recreating the circuit the same way you would if you were building a custom ASIC clone. The reality in practice though is much different since what's actually being implemented is more like a halfway point between software emulators and original hardware. Is it something the end user will notice? Probably not. But the verilog being written to create the various cores is often based on black box analysis of the hardware. Whether working in software or FPGA, that's not going to get you the kind of accuracy MiSTer purports to be.

[Anonymous No.9866540]

>>9864315
The DoDonPachi core is much better than the MAME version what are you talking about? Even if MAME research is used by MiSTer core developers, the result is completely different on hardware emulation. What do you expect them to re-do everything from scratch? that's a huge waste of time. If the schematics are out there, then hardware emulation will recreate it accurately with zero lag.

[Anonymous No.9866543]

>>9864840
>Nearly every MiSter thread I have seen admits that if you don't care about the accuracy/lag/analog output and just want to play games then you are better off just using software emulation
>Nobody is arguing that you NEED a MiSTer if you are not very into the hobby
So just bullshitting and dismissing software emulation then and saying you're not "into games enough" if you don't buy one.

[Anonymous No.9866551]

>>9866176
He's an idiot, if using SNAC and a CRT, it's literally the same as real hardware

[Anonymous No.9866583]

>>9866551
You can't navigate the interface using SNAC and you literally have to purchase an addon for each system. Stop lying to people and being upset about it.

[Anonymous No.9866597]

>>9866583
>and you literally have to purchase an addon for each system
wtf? why not just use the original hardware at that point

[Anonymous No.9866602]

>>9866597
the "add-on" is just a dongle to plug the remote into

[Anonymous No.9866621]

>>9866543
No, the exact opposite.

[Anonymous No.9866632]

>>9864039
I can emulate that on PC. No need for me to waste money on a MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.9866658]

>>9864101
i've said this before and its because there's not enough to talk about without people arguing about it endlessly. If it wasn't for that these threads would get one reply per day because they'd be

>oh shit new core?
>it werks!
>cool

and nothing else, if you want to actually talk about MiSTer just go to the forums for it which are appropriately slow. 4chan is for shitposting and being an asshat, as it always has been.

[Anonymous No.9866663]

>>9864039
So basically Mister is just a beefed up emulator box?

And based on what I'm reading, it's an expensive emulator box that needs to be updated periodically?

I don't understand. Is this for people who don't have an extra PC laying around with Mame? So just buy a Mister and shove it in an empty arcade cabinet?

[Anonymous No.9866664]

>>9866658
Asshat? Is that a new hat for the Pi? Does it assist in Assembly languages or something?

[Anonymous No.9866678]

>>9866663
because it uses an fpga rather than a normal computer it has lower latency and you can use original controllers

[Anonymous No.9866747]

>>9866663
It helps to think of it like the difference between software emulation and clone hardware. If you were to emulate an NES you're using a CPU to simulate the NES in software. But if you were to clone the NES, like with a custom ASIC, you're building a chip that "is" an NES. FPGA is the mid point to an ASIC. If you were designing a chip you'd first test it in FPGA to make sure everything works right before ordering 100,000 units of a non-changeable ASIC. You use a hardware description language like Verilog to define the circuit of a chip, the FPGA can interpret that Verilog and synthesize the chip, and then when you're satisfied you'd finalize it. MiSTer and other FPGA clones take advantage of this by just using the FPGA directly to get multiple consoles out of the same device. Hypothetically if you were to feed an FPGA the same HDL that was used to engineer the original hardware you'd get a "perfect" clone of that hardware. It's a bit more nuanced than that because of really hyper specific quirks of chip manufacturing and shit but that's the gist of it.

[Anonymous No.9866752]

>>9866663
Correct. Hence why I wouldn't waste money on a MiSTer. Your PC is all you need.

[Anonymous No.9866770]

>>9864107
the MiSTer is basically similar to any computer, but its OS works completely different to other computers or SBCs.

similar to retroarch, you need cores and roms for whatever you are gonna emulate, but, the cores instead of emulating the code and instructions, reprogram the main CPU of the MiSTer to work (supposedly) exactly like the actual cpu of the thing you want to emulate,

tldr, is basically a raspberry pi, only 'more accurate', more overhyped, with less available systems and games to emulate and more expensive/hard to build.

[Anonymous No.9866771]

>>9866752
But my PC looks terrible on my CRT

[Anonymous No.9866774]

>>9866770
It’s only hard to build if you’re a dumb child. I had more trouble setting up a pi

[Anonymous No.9866831]

>>9866770
>reprogram the main CPU of the MiSTer to work (supposedly) exactly like the actual cpu of the thing you want to emulate,

They program the logic gates of the FPGA, not the CPU. An FPGA is not a CPU. The mister has an ARM CPU, but that's just to run the OS, the emulation does not happen on it.

>>9866770
>tldr, is basically a raspberry pi, only 'more accurate', more overhyped, with less available systems and games to emulate and more expensive/hard to build.

tl;dr poorfags gonna cry over things they are too stupid to understand how they work

[Anonymous No.9866835]

>>9864841
Ironic, you call anon a poorfag despite the fact that you are playing your games on an emulator box instead of an authentic PCB like a real gamer.

[Anonymous No.9866897]

This thread is proof that mistersisters are astroturfing this fucking board. Anyone who doesn't like or isn't interested in it is barraged with poorfag this, dumb that. If you fork over the money though it's le based xd. I'm not buying your raspberry pi with a turbo charger on it, sorry.

[Anonymous No.9866934]

>>9866897
>"The MiSTer is just an expensive pi!"
>"No it's not, you see-"
>"LOL you defending it is proof that this place is just full of MiSTer shills!"

Yeah, how DARE people point out the poorfags who keep arguing it's nothing more than an expensive Pi are wrong. Clearly they are just shills. Reminds me of boomers who complained the SNES was just a scheme and that there was no reason the games could not run on the NES their kids already had because they had no fucking clue what they were talking about.

[Anonymous No.9866936]

How viable is the ao486 core as a replacement to an actual 486 PC?

[Anonymous No.9866993]

>>9866835
I have the PCB. It's why I can enjoy the mister so much because I know how good it is compared to MAME.

[Anonymous No.9867043]

>>9866835
ill never understand why you retards shit on a free open source project benefiting preservation and only benefits software emulation, you dumbasses have no idea what its like to play on hardware and there's a reason hardware enthusiasts all enjoy the mister, because it's very close and most of the time indistinguishable vs a software emulator, but keep coping poorfag

[Anonymous No.9867070]

>>9866835
BTFO, lmao

[Anonymous No.9867098]

>>9866771
CRT's are obsolete.

[Anonymous No.9867331]

>>9866835
>>9867043

[Anonymous No.9867427]

FGPA Everdrive>Steam Deck>Rog Ally>Aya Neo pro>>KT-R1>Retroid Pocket 3>>Anbernic RG552>Ayn Loki>Odroid>Recalbox>Raspberry Pi>>Homebrewed and CFW-injected PS Vita>Miyoo Mini +>>Aya Neo regular>>Ayn Odin>Miyoo Mini>Powkiddy X28>Retroid Pocket 2/2+>Powkiddy A12>>Anbernic 353X>Anbernic 351p>>Analouge Pocket>>>Minisforum>>Anbernic 353p>>Powkiddy RK2023>Anbernic RG35XX>CFW-injected PSP>Powkiddy v90>>Anbernic 405m>Evercade>Coolboy rs-97+>Pirate multicart>>Bittboy>MiSTER>Powkiddy a66>>Coolboy rs-97

[Anonymous No.9867435]

>>9867427
Why’re you mixing portables with consoles?

[Anonymous No.9867446]

>>9866021
The 8bitdo M30 2.4g (over wired usb) is a great low lag option for most consoles imo. Retrobit also makes good genesis/Saturn usb controllers, apparently. I do use snac for SNES because my experience with usb controllers isn't great. The 8bitdo SNES dpads are crap. I haven't tried the Retrobit legacy16 ones. Be sure to check the lag on them here https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

[Anonymous No.9867473]

>>9866030
I agree, this shithole has value in being a place you can speak anoynmously and that's needed more and more as every project in the world splits off into discords and the like. It still makes sifting through threads of belligerent autists off their meds annoying though.

[Anonymous No.9867482]

>>9864039
We already won. Anyone who has actually used a mister knows how much better it is than mame.

[Anonymous No.9867483]

Some guy is getting rid of his mister, for about 700 usd, could probably get it for 600 usd....good deal?
Comes with the tv and all the boards

[Anonymous No.9867496]

It's simple. The reason everyone laughs at Mister fans is because they all act very smug. The benefits to the Mister seem small for such a an enormously smug attitude.

[Anonymous No.9867534]

>>9867496
When all you do is eat shit and are completely content with eating nothing but shit despite other things being available to you, I guess I could understand why you think this.

[Anonymous No.9867556]

I blame Analogue for keeping the "FPGA is not emulation and is 100% accurate" talking points alive by shoving it into their marketing. Not sure why MiSTer gets all this fucking shitposting instead. The beginning of MiSTer had a lot of Youtubers parroting that as well but it seems like most of them learned their lesson by now.

[Anonymous No.9867560]

>>9867556
They are probably a big reason the mister gets a lot of hate, ANALog fags are completely different market than the mister, it's collectard and shelf queens, they're the apple fags of retro

the mister community seems to be about playing and enjoying the games

[Anonymous No.9867567]

>>9867483
For 600, it's not a bad deal honestly, provided you care about the extra bells and whistles. You'd end up paying more doing it yourself + the tv.

[Anonymous No.9867651]

>>9867483
For $600 with all of that extra shit it's a pretty good deal desu

[Anonymous No.9867661]

>>9867483
It's a bad deal. You're better off using that $600 building your own gaming PC or paying rent.

[Anonymous No.9867669]

>>9867661
>paying rent
why stop there? maybe instead of gaming he should exercise, and instead of posting in /vr/ he should be programming retro style games. and instead of replying to me, you should suck some cock.

[Anonymous No.9867672]

>>9867669
Anon, you're probably arguing with the autist who does nothing but be a contrarion in mister threads for (you)'s, he's literally picrel

[Anonymous No.9867741]

>>9866129
speedrunners are already using it. in fact there was recently added an option to disable the enable auto fire button combo because there were a lot of complaints about it ruining runs

[Anonymous No.9867749]

>>9866101
this?
https://ultimatemister.com/product/nintendo-n64/

[Anonymous No.9867757]

>>9867556
Are you trying to tell me that all mister cores are 100% accurate implementations of the real console?

[Anonymous No.9867761]

>>9864342
GBA/GBC/SGB all work amazing, you may get N64 who knows but definitely PSX and Saturn are good.

[Anonymous No.9867830]

>>9867757
mister cores? god no. The Analogue Pocket cores however must be perfect, just ask them!

[Anonymous No.9867845]

Are there any cores that can legitimately claim 100% accuracy? I think the NES was decapped throughout but not sure if the core itself is "perfect"?

[Anonymous No.9867852]

>>9867845
you can never have 'perfect' ever unless you replicate at the transistor level

[Anonymous No.9867924]

>>9864524
Neogeo is great, what the fuck are you on about?

[Anonymous No.9867925]

>>9866120
But it is not 100% accurate emulation and softwae emulation is already zero input lag.

[Anonymous No.9867928]

>>9867483
$600 AUD yeah sure not bad especially with a telly.

[Anonymous No.9867931]

>>9867556
FPGA has the potential to be end-to-end electrically identical to the original systems, which is very dificult to do with software systems. This potential means that implementations are typically easier to get cycle accurate due to the components being electrically interfaced per the original platforms, allowing more focus on the component logic.

[Anonymous No.9867932]

>>9867925
>and softwae emulation is already zero input lag.
this is untrue, at best you can get 1 frame latency (without runahead)

[Anonymous No.9867935]

>>9867845
Pretty sure that the Megadrive is perfect. The 68000 implementation went through some crazy level of validation.

[Anonymous No.9867947]

>>9867932
I use runahead.
>inb4 cheating
You don't understand runahead.

[Anonymous No.9867952]

>>9867932
>at best you can get 1 frame latency
I don't see why that would be the case in a dedicated set-up tuned for the specific hardware. You don't have to wait for a whole frame of video to be completed.

[Anonymous No.9867975]

>>9867947
Runahead is not platform accurate. Feel free to enjoy your games however you like but it is not accurate to use runahead.

[Anonymous No.9867978]

>>9867952
You will never get perfect cycle accuracy unless the emulator is electrically interfaced to the input and display, as can be done with FPGA which can directly interface to original controllers and displays. The software emulator will typically have abstracted input devices and render to a framebuffer.

[Anonymous No.9867980]

this board makes /g/ look informed

[Anonymous No.9868009]

>>9865183
>Cycle accurate Megadrive and NES runs on toasters
Where did you get that idea from? I don't think a 100% cycle accurate Megadrive emulator even exists, but even getting close takes a huge amount of cpu power.

[Anonymous No.9868018]

>>9864841
who gives a shit? no one, mister turd
mame it is.

[Anonymous No.9868023]

>>9864424
>retroarch/pi

Literally the worst possible way to emulate.

[Anonymous No.9868027]

>>9868023
ive given up on bloatware loving haters that cant appreciate the raw inegenuity of the mister fpga. how i pity them.

[Anonymous No.9868028]

>>9868027
Totally their loss.

[Anonymous No.9868029]

>>9867924
Slowdown is incorrect to a real MVS board. There are lots of audio and graphical glitches in numerous games. Pulstar will actually randomly crash on stage 5 and 6 sometimes. Just check the issues page on github.

If you're a casual player or don't have any idea how much slowdown games are supposed to have or can't tell the audio apart of course you won't notice.

[Anonymous No.9868030]

>>9868018
you do, you replied because it made you angry and that's a fact Jose`

[Anonymous No.9868035]

>>9868029
Lying on the internet? Begone.

[Anonymous No.9868038]

>>9868029
this why I am not excited for tmnt. that furry is a hack

[Anonymous No.9868042]

>>9868009
From seeing crappy hardware like the Pi running Mesen or a Blast Em having a minimum spec of a 1.6GHz AMD E-350. Cycle accurate doesn’t have to mean there is a large CPU requirement, no does it mean you won’t have bugs or inaccuracies.

[Anonymous No.9868043]

>>9868035
Ok retard.

[Anonymous No.9868048]

>>9868038
he's not a hack, he just never finishes his plate, he starts on shit then gets it almost there and then moves on

the fucking mister neo geo core is still having to use decrypted roms, they used hacked roms to load some games from the darksoft set, lol

[Anonymous No.9868098]

>>9868038
The NeoGeo core needs work, some of it pretty major from reading through the github.

"This core has some design flaw using async clocks which may introduce issues for some (not all) users. It cannot be simply fixed. Core needs some re-writing. @furrtek has plans to do it, so let's wait for it."

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/164

https://twitter.com/furrtek/status/1387491269522432005?s=20&t=HkCmjRlZK5Ji7P11oM9YpA

[Anonymous No.9868131]

>>9868098
How about you read the comments in that 'bug' which was actually a problem with the game roms. Retard.

[Anonymous No.9868154]

>>9868131
>This some how dismisses all the other bugs and inaccuracies
whew lad

[Anonymous No.9868518]

>>9867852
You aren't going to literally turn the FPGA into an exact physical replica of an NES but you can reverse engineer the same HDL that would have been used to create the original NES. The FPGA will be physically different under a microscope but the circuit will functionally be the same and there's more than one way to skin a cat. I think that's what people mean by 100% accurate. Though the further back in time you go things get dicey what with obsolete manufacturing processes that end up effecting functionality like on the Commodore 64.

[Anonymous No.9868538]

>>9868518
The NES actually does use an obsolete manufacturing process like you made an exception for. In corner cases like bus conflicts or undocumented opcodes, taking the same functional description and running it on an FPGA will result in behavioral differences.
Still it's pretty easy to work around if you are aware of it as an FPGA core author.

[Anonymous No.9868563]

>>9868538
Ah didn't realize. Regardless, I think the current problem is the MiSTer community is deliberately vague when it comes to the accuracy argument. They want people to believe that FPGA is more accurate just by virtue of being FPGA but A) that's not true, and B) the cores being delivered aren't all that different than existing software emulators in spirit, often based on them directly. The PS1 core is based on Duckstation. If you're using software emulation as the basis for your work on an FPGA core then all you've created is a hardware clone of an emulator, not a clone of the original console.

[Anonymous No.9868582]

>>9868563
The only part of the PS1 core which is based on Duckstation is the GPU, but I agree in principle. Anything which isn't original hardware, is only as good as the quality of the implementation.
IMO the biggest advantage of FPGAs is not about accuracy. Software emulators for some platforms are very accurate. The ones which aren't, are accurate because of developer unwillingness rather than technical incapability. And the accuracy fixes discovered by MiSTer developers often work their way back into software emulators.
The USP is being able to interface with input and output exactly like the original hardware did so you can use original controllers and lightguns without any additional input lag.

[Anonymous No.9868685]

I’m not sure if the mister is 100% accurate or not but the reason I like mine is that it’s small, quiet, and you don’t have to deal with retroarch. It’s very set and forget compared to some Pis I’ve used and the community is active and friendly. I bought in when the DE10 cost $140 but I would do it all over again at current prices if something were to happen

[Anonymous No.9868818]

The shilling contain in this thread is so obvious. Anytime someone claims they don't want it or won't buy it, the shills screech. Who cares if someone wants to save money & emulate on PC? That's their money, not yours. Not everyone wants to waste money on an overpriced emulation box.

[Anonymous No.9868821]

>>9868818
Will you come into every MiSTer thread to let us know?

[Anonymous No.9868902]

>>9868818
>open thread
>this thing sucks
>I like it
>fucking shills
Nigger

[Anonymous No.9868910]

>>9868818
Why would you come into a thread about something just to say you’re not interested in it then get mad when people say that they think it’s good

[Anonymous No.9869352]

The poorfag coping in this thread is out of control. One only needs to try using a mister to realise how good it is.

[Anonymous No.9869364]

>>9868818
>those grapes taste like shit anyway

[Anonymous No.9869368]

>>9864045
nothing really, they still can't emulate the sound accurately. the c64 SID chip is still wrong, better of sticking with Vice

[Anonymous No.9869394]

>>9869352
Only someone who doesn't have real hardware would think an emulator box is any replacement.

[Anonymous No.9869397]

>>9869394
Why? What do you prefer about real hardware over the Mister?

[Anonymous No.9869401]

>>9869397
I like that it makes poorfags like you seethe.

[Anonymous No.9869405]

>>9869394
I do have rotten plastic which is how I know mister is so good. I expect the best and software emulation isn't it.

[Anonymous No.9869416]

>>9869401
I own every retro console worth owning and it cost me maybe $500 over ten years. That is 50 dollars per year. Retro gaming is cheap.

[Anonymous No.9869431]

>>9869416
See? Only the poorest of poorfags seethe about real hardware, it isn't even expensive.

[Anonymous No.9869440]

>>9869431
I don't know what your point is. That owning a Mister and real hardware is cheap? I agree. What a glorious time to be into retro gaming!

[Anonymous No.9869441]

>>9869440
Some people seem to think that spending $300 on an emulation box makes them wealthy.

[Anonymous No.9869456]

>>9869441
I honestly feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.9869636]

>>9869352
Only poorfags buy a MiSTer. It cost more money to game & collect for real hardware!

[Anonymous No.9869645]

>>9869636
Mister owners usually do both.

[Anonymous No.9869654]

>>9867975
Runahead is platform accurate if you tune the runahead in your set-up to be the same amount of lag frames as the original hardware, which I have done via the use of a camera and LED.

[Anonymous No.9869658]

>>9867978
>The software emulator will typically have abstracted input devices and render to a framebuffer.
Input devices have gotten really quick in recent years and runahead can deal with the 1 frame of lag in the frame buffer in almost all instances.
The days of saying lag is a big problem with software emulation are over. Come up with a different rationale.

[Anonymous No.9869668]

>>9869658
>The days of saying lag is a big problem with software emulation are over.

Don't you love it when people who have no idea what they're talking about discredit themselves for you?

[Anonymous No.9869669]

>>9869645
Well that wouldn't be too surprising, since I think some people use a MiSTer to build their own arcade cabinet.

[Anonymous No.9869681]

>>9869669
There's someone in here with hardware that posted pics, so yeah.

[Anonymous No.9869685]

>>9869654
too much work

[Anonymous No.9869694]

>>9869668
For everything in this discussion with Mister it is over. You don't have a Saturn or PS2 core to discuss this about.

[Anonymous No.9869727]

>>9869658
Runahead is not a solution. It is telling that you didn't state your opinion on emulation being superior to original hardware instead of using it as a gotcha.

[Anonymous No.9869749]

>>9869727
>Runahead is not a solution
It is.
>It is telling that you didn't state your opinion on emulation being superior to original hardware
Because that isn't my opinion.

[Anonymous No.9869752]

>>9869749
>Runahead good.
>Emulation bad.
nigger.

[Anonymous No.9869758]

>>9869364
fox was right though. grapes are poisonous to canines

[Anonymous No.9869760]

>>9869654
A hack to get close to something which comes naturally on FPGA. Runahead can only get close, never perfect.

[Anonymous No.9869764]

>>9869758
Just as FPGA is poison to retarded poorfags

[Anonymous No.9869772]

>>9868685
Based.

[Anonymous No.9869802]

>>9869764
kek

[Anonymous No.9869803]

>>9869760
it also doesn't work for later consoles because states are too large and can't be loaded instantly, try using it for DS for instance, it'll stutter like crazy from the constant saving/loading

it's a smart solution, but it's still just a hack to improve it, not fix it

[Anonymous No.9869805]

>>9869752
No.
Runahead good.
Emulation good.
Real hardware good.

I don't have to play this silly zero-sum game with you.

[Anonymous No.9869807]

>>9869760
It doesn't matter if it's a hack. It works. It works silently and without side-effects. It is indistinguishable from the normal behavior of the real hardware in terms of lag.

>Runahead can only get close, never perfect.
How is "exactly the same amount of lag frames as the original hardware" not perfect?

[Anonymous No.9869813]

>>9869803
It will progress at the same pace as FPGA will incorporate cores. If DS is stuttering now it won't be in a few years. And maybe you just need faster hardware.

[Anonymous No.9869819]

>>9869813
No it won't retard, it's because states are in the 10MB+ size when it comes to DS games, you can't just save 10MB of ram and then load it from your SSD within 1 frame, that's why it stutters, it's a limiting factor and won't improve.

>And maybe you just need faster hardware.
kys retard, you don't know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.9869903]

>>9869807
It's not accurate though, it's close enough at best.

[Anonymous No.9869957]

>>9869819
>you can't just save 10MB of ram and then load it from your SSD
bruh

[Anonymous No.9869963]

>>9869819
SSD speed has nothing to do with this...

>you don't know what you're talking about
ironic

[Anonymous No.9869971]

>>9869903
It's not close enough "at best".
It is extremely close.
It is absurdly, placebo-tier close for the most popular systems.
The only thing you can actually point out that is a real difference is a slow-down speed in software emulation vs real hardware vs mister.

[Anonymous No.9870010]

>>9869819
https://docs.libretro.com/guides/runahead/
>All save states and load states are done to ram and never reach the disk.
10mb is nothing for a modern PC.
The size of the save state isn't the issue.
The limiting factor is latency between your RAM, CPU, and the program (and your overall CPU processing speed).

SSD/HDD don't come into the equation (unless there is some bizarre bottleneck on your set-up). Everything is running in temporary memory.

[Anonymous No.9870012]

>>9868818
You don't have to be so envious, you could just get a job and buy your own.

[Anonymous No.9870017]

>>9869685
And setting up a Mister is any less complicated?

[Anonymous No.9870021]

>>9869694
>You don't have a Saturn or PS2 core to discuss this about.

More examples of the poorfags having no idea what they're talking about

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGzK8-Iyg8M

[Anonymous No.9870023]

>>9869394
This is the stupidest post in this thread.
You think software emulation users don't have a few (or a lot of) hardware systems of their own floating around?

[Anonymous No.9870026]

>>9869401
So you don't even like it for playing games.
You just like the memes and the shitposting.

[Anonymous No.9870028]

>>9870021
Yeah that core is not anything to talk about yet.
But if you insist, what is the lag and compatibility for it vs software emulation?

[Anonymous No.9870035]

>>9870017
Setting up Mister is simpler than retroarch. Less fiddling around with each core (and game) to get the best latency results, but it's totally fine once you set it up. They're both fine choices depending on your setup and what you value. I don't know why these threads always devolve into people shitting on software Vs fpga emulation to justify their choice.

[Anonymous No.9870038]

>>9870028
Just looked.
206 games tested.
199 will boot.
All have major issues.
Most titles in the list looked like games that software emulation would have little troubles with these days.

[Anonymous No.9870039]

>>9870023
>You think software emulation users don't have a few (or a lot of) hardware systems of their own floating around?
Don't you get it anon? These tards think you need to pick a side and treat it like a sports team. It is part of their personality. And just like the console wars that preceded this the real winners are the people who play everything.

[Anonymous No.9870046]

>>9870039
It's the zoomers anon.
The novelty of unlimited free games via piracy means nothing to them because they've never been without it.
So they instead seek unlimited authenticity.
Even to the point of absurdity with things like digital video games.

[Anonymous No.9870107]

>>9870017
dude, you have no idea how much easier it is.

[Anonymous No.9870139]

>>9870039
/thread

[Anonymous No.9870304]

>>9869971
But not perfect. With FPGA you can have electrically identical end to end from controller to display. FPGA is being increasingly sanctioned for competitive use where emulatora will remain banned. Runahead is compensating for being deficient

[Anonymous No.9870318]

>>9870304
>With FPGA you can have electrically identical end to end from controller to display.
Theoretically, yes.
In reality, no.
FPGA and Mister is not perfect either.
>FPGA is being increasingly sanctioned for competitive use where emulatora will remain banned.
*lols in fightcade*

[Anonymous No.9870351]

>>9864271
>more accurate
[CITATION NEEDED]
>less lag
Meh you'll fail the pepsi challenge on any half-decent VRR setup and what's without 1 frame of run-ahead factored in.
You basically have a Pi without input lag with that DE10 potato, and I'm just not going to buy it is all. I know! Sorry, I know.

[Anonymous No.9870356]

If the Mister didn't have such a pathetic fucking FPGA it would at least be a half-consideration.

[Anonymous No.9870358]

>>9864328
>SHE'S JUST LIKE ME!

[Anonymous No.9870367]

>>9870318
FPGA has the potential to be perfect and in some cases is demonstrably so.

[Anonymous No.9870372]

>>9870351
That's cool, don't buy it I honestly don't care. In fact the less complaing lamers the better, so it's better that you just steer clear.

So let's make a deal, I'll continue to not shit post in emulator threads and you steer clear of FPGA threads then everyone wins!

[Anonymous No.9870376]

in every mister thread there are two people:

the first has played on original hardware, software emulation, and mister. these people unanimously agree on how great mister is over software emulation.

the second person has never tried mister. has zero experience with it. has not even played a single game on it, yet are absolutely positive it is no better than software emulation, that it is shit.

[Anonymous No.9870379]

btw I use to be that second person. then I tried mister

[Anonymous No.9870436]

>>9870356
At this rate, N64 software emulation will be perfect before an FPGA implementation ever becomes playable.

[Anonymous No.9870438]

>>9870376
>>9870379
Mindbroken by sunk cost

[Anonymous No.9870443]

>>9870376
facts
>>9870438
seething poorfag

[Anonymous No.9870446]

>>9870443
Spending $300 on emulators makes you stupid, not rich.

[Anonymous No.9870447]

>>9870446
stay poor pablo

[Anonymous No.9870458]

>>9870446
Being able to spend money to enjoy your hobby doesn't make you stupid. Just stop being poor. Like, just stop it.

[Anonymous No.9870469]

>>9864328
The board should be holding the girl. I hate her.

[Anonymous No.9870474]

>>9864328
>mister mascot is a fucking tranny
you can't make this shit up lads, truth is beyond satire

[Anonymous No.9870478]

>>9870474
YWNBRH

[Anonymous No.9870481]

>>9870458
Coomlector mindset

[Anonymous No.9870485]

So uh... How's the core? 270 replies in and nobody wants to talk about OP at all.

[Anonymous No.9870495]

>>9870481
>having every system consolidated into small form factor with the accuracy and playability of the original console
>coomlecting
poorfags everyone

[Anonymous No.9870519]

>>9870495
>every system...with the accuracy and playability of the original console
This thread is about only now getting support for a highly popular arcade board, with bugs that aren't present in MAME (e.g. drop shadows in the sewer stage).

[Anonymous No.9870526]

>>9870519
not really sure how that changes anything I said there juan, the tmnt core is a beta, it's not even a release, it being a beta doesnt magically dismiss every other finished core

just stay in your retroarch threads juan

[Anonymous No.9870529]

>>9870526
>It supports every system perfectly, except for all the ones it doesn't support or aren't perfect.
You can try harder than that.

[Anonymous No.9870531]

>>9870529
never said every system, but good try there juan

[Anonymous No.9870562]

There are only 10 types of people who understand digital design.

[Anonymous No.9870607]

>>9864045
I dunno about people who use LCDs but the Mister is great as an AIO that works on a CRT with zero fucking around. Literally all it's missing for me is some sort of video playback so I can watch old anime and TV shows and it would be the perfect companion device for my CRT.

[Anonymous No.9870610]

>>9864039
Does this mean we're any closer to The Simpsons?

[Anonymous No.9870665]

>>9870607
It's probably not great for that as the AIO board doesn't support 24 bit. I suggest getting a ching-chong DVD player with a USB port.

[Anonymous No.9870686]

>>9870665
Wait, doesn't Playstation require 24 bit color?

[Anonymous No.9870692]

>>9870686
ya, it's not possible with the current DE-10 hardware the but ps1 core author made a work around for it, not sure how it works

i think the 24-bit shit was only for fmvs or something

[Anonymous No.9870713]

>>9870665
Yeah, I realize it's a pipedream. Just saying it would make the device completely perfect for my use-case.

[Anonymous No.9870726]

>>9870038
Core is not finished yet, much less the majority of the abandoned Saturn emulators these days or your mental development.

>>9870519
How about how the Irem M92 core is unfinished but already emulating games with less bugs than MAME? How long has MAME supported Ninja Baseball Bat Man again yet it's still full of visual glitches that the alpha core has already fixed?

>>9870610
Yes actually, work has started on some of the components the Simposons cabinet used.

[Anonymous No.9870736]

>>9870665
Direct video does 24-bit, but setting it up for component is messy.

>>9870692
>i think the 24-bit shit was only for fmvs
correct. In-game it's only 15-bit.

[Anonymous No.9870739]

>>9870713
I feel ya, but still the DVD works. Here's my setup fresh photos chinese cartoon on DVD and a bit of SMS on mister.

[Anonymous No.9870756]

>>9864045
so what you iz saying iz that it wuz latency n shieeet that made u bad at the game wuz it?
gotcha.

git gud.

[Anonymous No.9870767]

>>9870692
24bit works on HDMI of course. The PSX core dithers 24-bit over the analog board.

[Anonymous No.9870957]

>>9867556
Actually both get hate for selling overpriced hardware.

[Anonymous No.9871012]

>>9870957
What price would you consider fair?

[Anonymous No.9871051]

>audiophiles: /vr/ edition, or, a fool and his money

[Anonymous No.9871058]

>>9870367
Lmao okay bub, you go ahead and spend $1k on a "potentially perfect machine", I'll just use retroarch with runahead for fucking free

[Anonymous No.9871061]

>>9867556
This thread alone is full of dozens of retards parroting that "FPGA is 100% accurate"

[Anonymous No.9871091]

>>9871012
Not him but I'd pay a grand for an FPGA platform capable of perfectly playing Model 1 and Model 2 games. MAME sucks ass at those.

[Anonymous No.9871109]

>>9871091
Model 1's fine in MAME; what are you having trouble with? Modeler works pretty well for Model 2. In order for someone to make a decent FPGA core they have to do better than MAME and not just port that code.
>DE10 based FPGA handling any machine with SGI style hardware acceleration well
laffin, maybe next chip. Wonder how much it'll cost these rubes?

[Anonymous No.9871138]

>>9871012
$150 for a MiSTer, $50 for an Analogue clone console. Since MiSTer can do multiple consoles & arcade machines, whereas Analogue seems solely focused on doing one console at a time.

[Anonymous No.9871183]

>>9871138
what would you consider to be "a mister"? just the bare minimum DE10 and RAM? because that's what it used to cost before inflation

[Anonymous No.9871202]

>>9871183
I actually consider all the parts to build one to be a MiSTer. But unfortunately those parts aren't cheap. I could use that same money to buy a PS5 or build my own gaming PC. But yeah, inflation sucks.

[Anonymous No.9871203]

>>9871138
>$150 for a MiSTer
the bare board is $190 with a student discount.
>$50 for an Analogue clone console.
That would be selling them at a loss. The pockets FPGA and screen probably both cost analogue more than that each.

[Anonymous No.9871207]

>>9870474
I also got this vibe. I guess if they showed an actual fan of mister it's be even worse.

[Anonymous No.9871213]

>>9871207
>>9870474

[Anonymous No.9871215]

>>9871213
>>>/qa/

[Anonymous No.9871217]

>>9871215
I am not a member of the opposing side, I am neutral. Normal people don't think about them at all.

[Anonymous No.9871226]

>>9871217
post your wojak memes where they belong... oh, right, you can't :)

[Anonymous No.9871229]

>>9871226
Just put your penis where it belongs... oh, right, you can't :)

[Anonymous No.9871241]

>>9871229
My penis does not belong in a medical waste bin.

[Anonymous No.9871270]

>>9864328
>>9870474
Rent fucking free.

It's amazing that they're now so paranoid they can't even look at a normal ass girl without sheer terror.

[Anonymous No.9871279]

>>9870474
Obsessed. Meds, now.

[Anonymous No.9871294]

>>9871241
I meant put it in a vagina. Obsessed.

[Anonymous No.9871295]

>>9871294
Your festering axe wound isn't one of those, either.

[Anonymous No.9871301]

/vr/ will really discuss anything except video games huh

[Anonymous No.9871309]

>>9871301
But that picture implies people are openly trannies and you aren't just calling heterosexual men like me trannies because you are obsessed with them and constantly thinking about them. The black guy and the homosexual are openly black and homosexual.
>>9871295
Why do you think of post op surgeries at the mere mention of the word vagina?

[Anonymous No.9871315]

>>9871058
>runahead
>making the core presave and load save states while youre playing

I SHIGGY DIGGY

[Anonymous No.9871324]

>>9871309
heterosexual white men never feel called out when they are called niggers or faggots, niggerfaggot.

[Anonymous No.9871325]

>>9871315
>making the core presave and load save states while youre playing
So fucking what?

[Anonymous No.9871327]

>>9871324
I don't feel called out. I am just laughing at you for automatically thinking of trannies in response to unrelated stimuli because you are a closet fag.

[Anonymous No.9871328]

>>9871325
Mister can't do save states, so it's bad.

[Anonymous No.9871336]

>>9871327
>I'm not called out I just feel the need to defend trannies at any opportunity and nobody else
all the (you)s sure are convincing

[Anonymous No.9871339]

>>9871315
What's the matter, you're not a poor toaster user are you?

[Anonymous No.9871347]

>>9871336
Where have I defended them? I don't think about them at all except when you fags post about them for no reason in unrelated threads.

[Anonymous No.9871352]

>>9871347
When you responded to every single accusation of being a tranny, but not a nigger or a faggot.

[Anonymous No.9871356]

>>9871352
Retard the whole thing started because people are paranoid and think a drawing of a nerd girl must have a dick because...I don't know she has glasses? It's complete nonsense. Replace that with any other characteristic. "Oh, she must secretly be black even though there's nothing implying that!" See how stupid that sounds? Nobody even brought up the idea until someone's paranoia made them lash out.

[Anonymous No.9871357]

>>9871339
no computer in the world could keep up with my sonic speed

[Anonymous No.9871359]

>>9871356
if the girl in the picture was black someone would have inevitably called her a nigger and that would have been the end of the conversation. You can pretend otherwise - you'd be lying and knowing it.

[Anonymous No.9871362]

>>9871352
Where did you call me a nigger or a faggot? I said I am a heterosexual male. I am white too not that it matters in the context of your obsession with trannies.

[Anonymous No.9871364]

>>9871359
Right but since she is white and if someone called her a nigger I would say they are obsessed with black people.

[Anonymous No.9871412]

>>9871362
>im white.
obviously. only white boys are into this boring bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9871458]

>>9868518
The problem with the C64 is solely the SID chips being ANALOG. Digital cannot emulate analog. Best that can be done is to approximate it as closely as possible.

[Anonymous No.9871463]

>>9871359
What exactly about that image suggests she's not a regular ass woman? Why even mention trannies in the first place?

[Anonymous No.9871475]

>>9869749
>>Runahead is not a solution
>It is.
correction, not a good solution. not an accurate solution either. playing mega man and going back for your health repleneshment that suddenly changes into weapon repleneshment? yeah right that's fucking as good as MiSTer or original hardware.

[Anonymous No.9871479]

>>9871463
because why draw a picture of a girl and not make her hot unless its a man

[Anonymous No.9871480]

i love video games that are old

[Anonymous No.9871487]

>>9871475
runahead is the most jankass unreal aolution to latency and its the best these retroarch fags will ever have lol

[Anonymous No.9871502]

>>9870474
That's not the mascot. This is. It's based off of Sorgelig's cat and the Nintendo FDS mascot.

[Anonymous No.9871526]

>>9871479
Are you legit retarded? It's his art style.

[Anonymous No.9871535]

>>9871502
I think she's the mascot for 240p Test Suite.

[Anonymous No.9871540]

>>9871475
That only happens with 2 frame runahead, i.e. better than native latency.

[Anonymous No.9871551]

>>9871412
Laughing at your latent homosexuality isn't boring to me Pablo. In fact the way I can analyse your retarded beaner brain just through a 4chan post and know you better than you know yourself is one of the most fun parts of white supremacy.

[Anonymous No.9871552]

>cool, there's an active mister thread on /vr/
>let's check it out
>mfw
Every time

[Anonymous No.9871563]

>>9871552
everyone seems more interested in calling people trannies or poor than talking about the new core

why?

[Anonymous No.9871565]

>>9870756
What? Latency has nothing to do with being good or bad at a game. It has to do with being ghetto as fuck and an objectively inferior experience compared to playing on real hardware. The fact that you can't tell the difference makes you a turbo-casual

[Anonymous No.9871573]

>>9870474
You need to be at least 18 to post on this site

[Anonymous No.9871578]

>>9870481
Okay, Commie.

[Anonymous No.9871608]

>>9871479
The irony here is that these same people will play old Mortal Kombats and be like "OMG so hot"

[Anonymous No.9871631]

>>9871565
so you're bad
got it
what's your next move? blame the gamepad

[Anonymous No.9871641]

>>9868048
>he starts on shit then gets it almost there and then moves on
Yeah, that happens often. Maintaining cores is half of the job.

[Anonymous No.9871645]

>>9871631
retard

[Anonymous No.9871663]

>>9871203
Thankfully my existing consoles can play on CRT's, and I can also buy HDMI converters, making any FPGA device(especially from Analogue) obsolete.

[Anonymous No.9871673]

>>9871502
More like MiSTer HUN (because all mister-fags are trannies that don't pass, just as their fake hardware doesn't)

[Anonymous No.9871694]

>>9870474
these fags all know it's true. Based. Yeah show me one goddamn motherfucking cisgendered woman organically into this shit that isn't a Youtube shill. ONE. I'll accept the ugliest and fattest one you got.

[Anonymous No.9871707]

>>9870736
>correct. In-game it's only 15-bit.
There's one game which always runs in 24-bit color on PS1. And it is effectively very interactive FMV.

[Anonymous No.9871732]

>>9871270
>haha normal ass girls and their PVMs and FPGA emulators, totally not AGP or stupid Scott Pilgrim tier waifu bullshit

[Anonymous No.9871745]

>>9871732
accelerated graphics port?

[Anonymous No.9871779]

>>9871213
>calling someone for what it is
>having basic contextual sense and lore
>obsessed
Cool gaslight, fammy.

[Anonymous No.9871807]

>>9864841
Doesn't happen on my emulator (FBNeo RA core), bet it doesn't even happen on newer MAME revisions either. I'm just not buying your stupid product! Period!

[Anonymous No.9871810]

>>9871694
...You know that's a drawing, right? It's no different than paying a model.

[Anonymous No.9871818]

>>9871732
>stupid Scott Pilgrim tier waifu bullshit
And there's the backpedal. I like how you did that. Now you can change the conversation to waifu shit so you can maintain your indignant attitude while tacitly admitting that, yeah, you were a retard where trannies live in your head rent free without having to eat shit over it. But sorry, here you are eating shit.

[Anonymous No.9871825]

>>9871810
Except the implication that any conventionally attractive woman would be into FPGAs is so idiotically illusion shattering, and that art style is PURE troonbait. I have zero doubt they were aiming for AGPs who see themselves as the anime girl or "golly I wish I had the nurdgrrl" losers. Be real with me for a second, please. Hot bitches like cars and other things they typically model for. A hot bitch might even saunter into an arcade for a second, at least back in the old days. A hot bitch doesn't have any interest in this shit. Not a one. Nada.

[Anonymous No.9871831]

>>9871818
Whatever, you fucking stinkditch/tranny chasing loser.

[Anonymous No.9871835]

>>9871475
>playing mega man and going back for your health repleneshment that suddenly changes into weapon repleneshment
You've got your runahead set too high you idiot

[Anonymous No.9871838]

>>9871825
>Except the implication that any conventionally attractive woman would be into FPGAs is so idiotically illusion shattering
Dude, no fucking shit. Drawing an anime girl into nerd shit is like marketing 101. It's so bog standard I'm surprised anyone even thought to be bothered by it.

>and that art style is PURE troonbait.
What are you talking about? The guy's style is his style. Look: >>9871526

Again, rent free. Only someone who's let trannies run their mind is going around looking for "evidence" of some hidden conspiracy when they see an anime girl hawking nerd shit. This isn't even debatable. Nobody said anything about trannies. It's a nerd chick with glasses. You have shit you need to work out before you have a stroke.

[Anonymous No.9871843]

>>9871838
Whatever. Not buying your Pi tier already maxed out emulator-with-more-steps and never will.

[Anonymous No.9871846]

>>9871825
Pat Contri literally paid a hooker to be in a video. You're acting like people are hiding the ball that this is pure fantasy but nobody is pretending otherwise. The fantasy nerd girl cliche is as old as time. Nobody is pretending it's reflecting reality. What's really happening is your tranny argument got blown up so you're moving the goalposts.

[Anonymous No.9871849]

>>9871846
Yes, let's set the standards by what that swarthy shill does.

[Anonymous No.9871860]

>>9871631
Lol you're a retard

[Anonymous No.9871867]

>>9871745
AGP is a feminist term used to call trans people fetishists. Because obviously dysphoria, an observable mental illness, is a fetish.

[Anonymous No.9871870]

>>9871825
>I have zero doubt they were aiming for AGPs
When you start using acronyms I've never heard of, you're definitely down a really bad rabbit hole.
I bet you think Vivian james is also a tranny for some reason

[Anonymous No.9871874]

>>9871867
ok truscum

[Anonymous No.9871875]

>>9871870
Dude (and I do mean dude) don't fuck with me. This is 4chan not some normie shithole. You learn a lot through osmosis.

[Anonymous No.9871892]

>>9871875
This is a retro gaming board on an anime website. Just because you browse trap threads on /b/ doesn't mean everyone else does too.

[Anonymous No.9871978]

>>9871551
meds

[Anonymous No.9871990]

>>9871825
>Except the implication that any conventionally attractive woman would be into FPGAs is so idiotically illusion shattering, and that art style is PURE troonbait.
YOU FUCKING RETARDED OBSESSED NIGGER. N I G G E R. IT'S JUST A DRAWING FOR FRED FUCH'S SAKE! YOU GET IT? D R A W I N G OF AN ANIME GIRL. SHE'S NOT REAL YOU FUCKING NUMBNUTS. OFF YOURSELF YOU WASTE OF OXYGEN.

[Anonymous No.9872000]

>>9870562
oh I get it. Im smart

[Anonymous No.9872001]

>>9870610
I believe that The Simpsons uses some Konami video chips which are yet to be decapped. Furrtek traced all chips used on TMNT family of boards but he is not working on additional Konami chips for now. Jotego, meanwhile, made a replica of Konami's proprietary CPU, which is actually used by The Simpsons.

[Anonymous No.9872003]

>>9870610
am I the only one who realizes how awful that gamw is? I dont think Ive played a worse beatmup

[Anonymous No.9872007]

>>9872003
Apparently the Japanese version is better and has extra content. Including nuclear bombs, ironically.

[Anonymous No.9872012]

>>9871294
gross. pee pee and blood comes out of there

[Anonymous No.9872016]

>>9871328
but it can?

[Anonymous No.9872019]

>>9872003
There's definitely some nostalgia going on there, but I'm a fag who absolutely loves classic Simpsons to death too. It's a pretty nice-looking game that plays well enough for me in a world of shitty retro Simpsons games. It's fun to play through every now and then imo. It's definitely no masterpiece but it's more than serviceable for what it is.

[Anonymous No.9872021]

>>9871502
I dont know... that cat is giving off some serious gender fluid vibes

[Anonymous No.9872030]

What the fuck happened in this thread

[Anonymous No.9872032]

>>9872030
The same thing that happens in every mister thread.

[Anonymous No.9872056]

>>9872032
If you don't like what happened here, you're poor/stupid/a tranny/a shill.

[Anonymous No.9872193]

My favourite cores are all pretty much perfect. VIC20 had a recent flurry of activity which greatly improved things, AppleII will get there.

Atari 7800 is absolutely perfect.

[Anonymous No.9872202]

>>9872193
My only complaint about the 7800 core is that it can't play 2600 homebrew games with DPC+ chip. Makes sense, though, as it is a 70MHz ARM chip. BUP chip for 7800 homebrew would be nice too.

[Anonymous No.9872219]

>>9872193
>>9872202

Any idea of Rikki & Vikki works on the 7800 core? I can't find any confirmation one way or the other. It's a homebrew game from 2018 that apparently uses an enhanced sound chip that no emulator supports. Supposedly BupSystem is supposed to be able to run it since that emulator was made by the same dev who made the game to test/develop the game but I could not get that to work either. Curious if MiSTer's 7800 core can.

[Anonymous No.9872256]

>>9872219
Rikki & Vikki works perfectly fine on MiSTer, but there's no music as BUP is missing from the core. You need a headered rom though, same as for all 7800 games. There's an .ips patch somewhere on AtariAge (I don't remember if it was a MiSTer core thread or a Rikki & Vikki thread) which adds a correct header to the rom. The unheadered rom is in No-Intro romset.

[Anonymous No.9872292]

>>9872256
Yeah, I already applied that patch but still could not get it to work in any emulator.

Sucks to hear that the music does not work in MiSTer, are there any plans to add support for that chip to the core someday?

[Anonymous No.9872316]

>>9864154
does it have cruisn exotica? i hate having to settle for the terrible n64 version

[Anonymous No.9872327]

>>9871807
You obviously dont even play the game, lol

[Anonymous No.9872346]

>>9872292
The upcoming 7800GD flashcart for Atari 7800 supports BupChip. Its dev has worked with Kitrinx (7800 MiSTer core author) to adapt some of existing MiSTer code for their product, so there's a high chance that BupChip might get added to MiSTer soon.

[Anonymous No.9872362]

>>9872346
An upcoming flashcart? Didn't think anyone would care to make a flashcart that supports it since isn't that the only game that uses it? I would have also assumed that the dev would not be happy that it would make it possible to pirate his game that way now. I recall Krizz used to not support the mappers that Pier Solar used at first... at first.... the game is both now old and many have lost a lot of respect for the dev after the whole Paprium fiasco.

Speaking of which, I wonder if Paprium will ever be supported by flashcarts/MiSter. Even the project to dump the ROM seems to have sadly died off, much less emulating the game.

[Anonymous No.9872378]

>>9872362
Paprium's a shit game.

[Anonymous No.9872464]

>>9871825
There's bound to be some out there.

[Anonymous No.9872467]

>>9872378
How would you know? Nobody has been able to play it.

[Anonymous No.9872473]

>>9872202
does the deprecated 2600 only core play them?

[Anonymous No.9872480]

>>9872362
well it certainly helps to make flash carts if there's open source fpga code already available that can be used

[Anonymous No.9872517]

>>9871892
then you dont belong here

[Anonymous No.9872928]

hey janny youre a fucking faggot queer

[Anonymous No.9873169]

>>9872473
No, it just crashes

[Anonymous No.9873351]

>>9872362
Rikki & Vikki devs seem to be pretty chill compared to the majority of AtariAge devs who only sell cartridges. They openly sell their game on Steam, bundled with custom emulator. You can completely legally buy the game digitally and play it on a flashcart. Everyone is happy that way.

[Anonymous No.9873359]

>>9864101
>>9866658
You can achieve this without spending hundreds of dollars and clogging this board up with your shilling. You're just as bad as the retron fags back when that was a thing. Get out.
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.9873373]

>>9873359
>with your shilling
Here we go again. Which boogieman are we shilling for today? Or do you need a reminder that the only part necessary for a basic setup is the DE10-Nano itself which Terrasic actively hides as being a pre-order to stop people scalping them and the extra parts can be bought from countless sellers?

[Anonymous No.9873420]

>>9873351
Yeah, I did just that, it was even on sale for about $2 or so when I got it on Steam. Micro Mages too. But just because they put up the rom on steam doesn't mean they would be ok with it being easy to pirate, glad I was wrong. Couldn't get the ROM to run in anything outside the exe that game with the Steam version though, header patch or not.

The ones that seemed the most chill about it were the Tanglewood devs. Actual quote from the Steam page:

>But there’s more: every digital copy of Tanglewood includes the Mega Drive ROM, DRM-free, for you to do with as you please. Use your own favourite emulator, play on original hardware via a flash cart, add to your Retropie setup—it’s your game. Take it and have fun!

I never expected a Steam game to ever mention "BTW, you can totally pirate our game on emulators, RetroPi, or flash carts"

[Anonymous No.9873634]

Any downside to using chd over bin/cue for disc games?

[Anonymous No.9873638]

>>9873634
There can be slowdowns while writing Sega CD saves to SD card when you open core menu.

[Anonymous No.9873653]

>>9873638
Just sega cd, specifically? doesn't sound like a big deal anyway

[Anonymous No.9873664]

>>9873653
PS1 and PCE work fine to me. Sega CD can save games either as a dump of onboard save memory or a dump of backup cartridge. Saving cartridge causes a long delay, while saving onboard memory causes no issues.

[Anonymous No.9873674]

>>9873664
Interesting. Thanks for the help.

[Anonymous No.9873815]

The terasic website says you can get an academic discount. Does this apply to all college students or do you need to prove you're a cs student specifically?

[Anonymous No.9873824]

>>9873815
I heard that all students are eligible. I originally wanted to buy it as a geology student in 2020 but found shipping from Taiwan to my country too expensive.

[Anonymous No.9874973]

>>9873664
Whats the easiest way to convert shit to .chd?

[Anonymous No.9875014]

>>9867098
lick my cathode

[Anonymous No.9875059]

>>9873815
i got it as a teacher

[Anonymous No.9875715]

TGFX16-CD and MEGACD work so good on this thing, singlehandly justifies having one.

[Anonymous No.9875732]

>>9864045
AFAIK Konami Arcade Drivers were broken on MAME for the longest time
Effects don't render correctly in games like Simpsons Arcade etc.

>>9864154
>no latency
Fuck off with this shit meme
Frame Delay gets rid of that issue on MAME

[Anonymous No.9875735]

>finally bought an optical cable and a small external dac
>street fighter 1 music no longer makes my ears bleed without audio filters
They weren't lying. The onboard DAC on DE10-Nano is indeed too weak to properly handle some FM synth sounds.

[Anonymous No.9875737]

>>9864271
>You at least get the (large compared to mame) input latency benefits
You actually don't since on PC you can use frame delay + G-Sync 360hz scanout

[Anonymous No.9875741]

>>9864315
>The Mister could do with more Kevtris's
LMAO
Mega SG was literally less accurate than Exodus Emulator
Kevtris is a grifter and so is Analogue

[Anonymous No.9875752]

>>9864838
>Mame's team doesn't need help for Mister. They are doing fine.
Unfortunately this isn't the case since MAME is ran by trannies.

[Anonymous No.9875754]

>>9864841
This glitch literally never happened to me on mame

[Anonymous No.9875758]

>>9864905
FPGAs are just a fad and will never be mainstream
The whole Mister fad is just a scam to sell addons

[Anonymous No.9875770]

>>9866176
No you retarded faggot
With software emulation you can use 360hz scanout if you have a 360hz G-Sync monitor which destroys the crappy 60hz garbage Mister

[Anonymous No.9875775]

>>9866513
>he nature of FPGA means it COULD be as accurate as any hardware implementation since you're recreating the circuit the same way
This is completely untrue
FPGAs are toys
If a top of the line CPU takes minutes to render a single frame while emulating the NES at the transistor level(check MetalNES) you can forget about memes like FPGA ever coming close to that.

[Anonymous No.9875776]

>>9866540
>The DoDonPachi core is much better than the MAME version
Stop shilling
Nobody is buying your bs

[Anonymous No.9875780]

>>9866771
Display native res

[Anonymous No.9875790]

>>9867556
>Not sure why MiSTer gets all this fucking shitposting instead.
Because it's a scam shilled by the neckbeard collective of youtube like RetroRGB, Game Sack, My Life in Gaming, John Linneman and all those losers who make money from affiliate links by shilling garbage

[Anonymous No.9875796]

>>9868009
>I don't think a 100% cycle accurate Megadrive emulator even exists
Exodus

[Anonymous No.9875801]

>>9864524
Neo Geo was fixed recently on MAME
The emulation is way better in comparison to Mister meme

[Anonymous No.9875886]

MiSTer FPGA is the most amazing retro gaming project in the last 30 years. I honestly feel bad for people who can't afford one, they have missed out on something special.

[Anonymous No.9876192]

>>9875775
That's not how this works. FPGA is comparable to laying down silicon. It's way more efficient than software emulation. FPGA is used to prototype chips prior to manufacture. That's why they exist.

[Anonymous No.9876203]

>>9875886
i would feel bad but theyre crybaby whiners, the kind that talked afford both an snes and a genesis so they talked shit about the other, so im glad

[Anonymous No.9876239]

>>9875790
No you’re thinking of chink handhelds

[Anonymous No.9876871]

>>9864107
??????????????????????

[Anonymous No.9877720]

>>9876871
Dude must be thinking of that Polymega nonsense.

[Anonymous No.9877731]

>>9876239
>Chink handhelds are created equal
Oh, I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.9877732]

>>9877731
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.9877737]

>>9877732
The asshole he pulled that from

[Anonymous No.9877743]

>>9877720
Did anything happen with that thing?

[Anonymous No.9877756]

>>9877743
Yeah, a scam

[Anonymous No.9877757]

>>9877743
https://youtu.be/wyYXL7JO4Gs

It came out and Linus Tech Tips called it trash.

[Anonymous No.9877779]

>>9877743
It had a Kickstarter, they went back on the whole using a FPGA thing and it's just another software emulation box except this one has expensive over-priced accessories because they still wanted to push the swappable adapters gimmick.

IIRC original plan was to have the base unit bs the CPU, RAM, and other components and each adapter be the controllers, a FPGA, and a cartridge port. This thing became an overpriced fancy retron the second they dropped the FPGA concept. It doesn't even play off the cart, it just dumps it then plays the dump.

[Anonymous No.9877846]

>>9877779
>and each adapter be the controllers, a FPGA, and a cartridge port.
Why would you put an FPGA in every adapter? That's wasteful to the point of stupidity. The FPGA should go in the main unit and the adapters should be "dumb", only serving as an interface for the cartridge and controllers.

[Anonymous No.9877852]

>>9865118
nah, the other anon was right. Maybe it was fixed in like 2017, seven yrs ago or whatever, but it had been an issue for twice that long.

[Anonymous No.9877891]

>>9877846
I don't remember if the FPGA was going to be in the main unit or each adapter, I think the idea was that you could use a cheap weak one for the weaker systems if it was in each adapter and it leaves room open for future systems. But it might have been in the main unit.

[Anonymous No.9877898]

>>9877846
Because they're idiots. MiSTer was in its infancy then and they were already taking too long getting that shit out there and started smelling their own farts thinking they'd be the apple computers of retro gaming emulation or something. They had a limited window to dominate the retro gaming scene and they missed it. Adding FPGA would have made the delay longer, but they'd still be an option today if they had planned an FPGA expansion card that plugged into the back of the main board or something.

[Anonymous No.9877902]

>>9877757
>$449 for just the base unit
kek, what a joke.

[Anonymous No.9877920]

>>9877898
MiSTer has really been a great project, Sorgelig is a brilliant guy to get it rolling and very talented people contributing.

[Anonymous No.9878092]

>>9877920
Sorgelig was right in that the most important thing was to have a relatively cheap and easy to set up board and designed the SD RAM and mister IO boards. Before that, it was just MiST, which only had VGA and was way more expensive. Still, without MiST, we wouldn't have MiSTer, and without MiSTer, we wouldn't be seeing the infinite possibilities of the future. It was a lot of fortuitous timing. FPGAzumspass, SRG320, Jotego, Furrtek, all of them working independantly and MiSTer being the one device to bring them all together. We're reaching a point right now where there are enough building blocks that new arcade cores could be released at a steady pace. For example, take a game like Thunderjaws. There is no core for it on MiSTer. Yet all the chips that comprise that particular arcade board already exist in other MiSTer cores. All it takes is an interested developer to take those existing pieces and import it into a new project, recreate the board in verilog, and voila.

[Anonymous No.9878107]

>>9878092
I think people forget that "MiSTer" is really just the DE-10. The stack and various consolized options are all above and beyond, which ends up making the thing look way more expensive than it really needs to be.

[Anonymous No.9878130]

>>9878092
Yeah I agree MiST is a great project which also built on prior work like Minimig. MiSTer has definitely created an ecosystem which takes it to the next level not imagined in the early FPGA platforms like SpecNext, ZxUNO etc.

[Anonymous No.9878136]

>>9878107
I used a plain DE-10 with OTG hub for more than six months before I got around to a hamburger build. The only thing it really felt lacking in was the SDRAM which is pretty much essential but I got by with half the cores.

Hamburger is great though that analog IO board is really useful.

[Anonymous No.9878146]

>>9878136
Isn't the analog IO board outdated since you can use direct video through HDMI?

[Anonymous No.9878149]

>>9878146

[Anonymous No.9878160]

>>9878146
Well I like to run HDMI and RGB at the same time. The analog board also has the second sd slot which is useful for my zxnext stuff, plus ADC analog input and the buttons/leds. Not essential but useful stuff.

[Anonymous No.9878163]

>>9878160
I mean you can get analog RGB out of the HDMI port with direct video and it's actually higher quality than the analog board. You do have to sacrifice simultaneous output though, which I think streamers really like to have.

[Anonymous No.9878173]

>>9878163
Yes I understand that. The quality difference is debatable, besides the obvious 18-bit limitation of the analog board. I like to have both because sometimes I just like to play on the big TV without having to fuck around plugging shit. Where can you even get those directvideo dongles anyway?

[Anonymous No.9878190]

>>9878173
>Where can you even get those directvideo dongles anyway?
Yeah, it's a bit of a pain in the ass because you have to get an HDMI to VGA adapter and then VGA to whatever you need after that.

[Anonymous No.9878335]

>>9878190
Anyway it just highlights the flexibility of the Mister architecture. I've got a flakey A600 which I've been considering to convert into a mistress, but I like that hamburger it's just so small.

[Anonymous No.9878441]

>>9878335
Best thing to do is wait for the Mister Express. Other than that, it's highly likely that there will be a reasonable successor to the DE10-Nano in the next year or two.

[Anonymous No.9878442]

>>9878441
Mister Express?

[Anonymous No.9878456]

>>9878442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzV9ERYIBmM

[Anonymous No.9878460]

>>9878456
oh god, just another add on board that makes the entiren package gigantic, i'll never understnad this shit, i like the fact the de-10 is small and the analog i/o board just goes on top and barely adds any size, these dumb faggots want to make console size attachments

[Anonymous No.9878465]

>>9878460
thats not the finished board, it'll be smaller when it's done, and he plans a new case.

[Anonymous No.9878535]

>>9878456
So it's like a Multisystem all-in-one board that you just plug the DE-10 into?

[Anonymous No.9878556]

>>9878107
Very true, but I don't regret going full sandwich. It's nice having an all-in-one little device.

[Anonymous No.9879089]

>>9878460
>id rather have some janky little shit with exposed silicon, no power switch and plugs all over it than something clean that looks like it plays games.
ill never understand this shit

[Anonymous No.9879097]

>>9879089
>plugs all over it
I have a usb cable and a power cable going to my mister, what the fuck are you talking about retard? lmao

[Anonymous No.9879098]

>>9879089
You can get a case, idiot

[Anonymous No.9879232]

>>9879089
cases for the sandwich stack can look pretty good while being small and you can even have a power switch built in if you wish. I usually just have Power, HDMI, and a controller hooked up I don't understand these people with a million things connected at once

[Anonymous No.9879453]

NeoGeo Pocket 2nd of June

[Anonymous No.9879467]

>>9879232
Is it just me or does this scream soulless?

[Anonymous No.9879485]

>>9879467
Inanimate objects do not possess souls.

[Anonymous No.9879487]

>>9879467
i'm busy looking at my tv when i play, i dont give a shit

[Anonymous No.9879774]

>>9879232
The consolized options are trouble because they may not be compatible with future improvements. But the official stack is a bit TOO gung ho on size efficiency, what with the octopus of wires that it ends up having.

[Anonymous No.9879821]

>>9879774
There isn't much to add, it's not like you can have an add-on secondary FPGA module for N64 or DC or something, just about all the expansion options (mostly more USB and audio/video outputs) have been around for a while now. And anything specialized (such as a JAMMA pinout) have their own boards.

If anything, from what I could tell in that video, it looks like the Mister Express appears to allow for dual-RAM while still having all of the analog outputs intact?

[Anonymous No.9879879]

>>9879485
But the mini consoles I own has soul.

>>9879487
But when your not playing, it still looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.9879882]

>>9879879
>mini consoles I own has soul.
ESL
>>9879879
>it still looks like shit.
It doesn't.

[Anonymous No.9879898]

>>9878136
What is a hamburger build?

[Anonymous No.9879931]

>>9879821
I think he's also working on a new analog IO board that incorporates the benefits of the digital IO like dual ram. He teased it a while back but there's been no news for a long time.

[Anonymous No.9880041]

>>9879879
I think it looks neat.

[Anonymous No.9880185]

>>9879879
Then your mini consoles might actually be Evangelions. I'd be wortied for your mother's safety.

[Anonymous No.9880227]

>>9872003
It's really shallow and feels lightweight compared to something like Final Fight. It's purely nostalgia as it's a retro simpsons game that's "competent" instead of unplayable trash.
t. anon whose played it on a real machine with a friend and both got bored after the first level.

[Anonymous No.9880757]

>>9879898
The standard Sorgelig DE-10 sandwiched between the USB hub board and the Analog IO board.

[Anonymous No.9880769]

>>9879898
Building one using the common MisterAddons parts, or ones very similar to them, and without a case. Usually that means the DE-10 Nano, a single RAM module, an I/O Board (99% of the time this would be the Analog I/O Board) and a USB hub.

The DE-10, I/O Board, and USB board all stack on top of each other, with the I/O board being on the top, the DE-10 in the middle, and the USB hub on the bottom. So people jokingly call it a hamburger or more commonly a sandwich build because of the layers of parts similar to layers in a sandwich. Many don't bother with a case for such a build so all the exposed parts further look like a sandwich.

Image related is the most typical sandwich build, although additional standoffs were added to the bottom of this one to act like feet.

[Anonymous No.9880968]

>>9878456
I will never understand gamers' obsession with flashing rgb lights.

[Anonymous No.9881021]

>>9880227
It's the worst of the majority of major arcade beat em ups except maybe Captain America and the Avengers. It's neat for being a time capsule in and of itself, reflecting Season 1 era Simpsons to the point that there was so little content that Konami pulled shit out of their ass to fill boss fights. The combo attacks are fun though.

[Anonymous No.9881164]

>>9881021
I still have a lot of fun with it.

>It's neat for being a time capsule in and of itself, reflecting Season 1 era Simpsons to the point that there was so little content that Konami pulled shit out of their ass to fill boss fights

Or hinted at plot points that actually never happened because the creators decided to go in a different direction

[Anonymous No.9881813]

>>9880227
>played it on a real machine with a friend
Play with 3 friends and you will understand. Name a better 4 player retro belt scroller?

[Anonymous No.9881991]

>>9881813
DnD Shadow over Mystara

[Anonymous No.9882090]

>>9881991
That came out 5 years later. Simpsons arcade is worth caring about.

[Anonymous No.9882148]

>>9882090
why does it matter if it came out 5 years later, it's better

[Anonymous No.9882331]

>>9864838
> mame
> doing fine
enjoy your shitty fruit machines i guess

[Anonymous No.9882337]

>>9880968
I just think they're neat.

[Anonymous No.9883170]

>Go to play my MiSTer as usual
>Does a ploc sound and turns off immediately
>panic.jpeg

Thankfully it was only a dead power supply. Chink 5V4A one I got from aliexpress. Died after 3 years of usage. Is this acceptable or should I get something better? I'm using the 2A one that came with the DE-10 right now

[Anonymous No.9883187]

>>9881991
Mystara has its own problems as it's more a defensive focused beat em up, and I don't think the addition of crouching really brings anything worthwhile to the game.
Phenomenal looking game though, and some of the animations are stellar.

[Anonymous No.9883203]

>>9883170
How much do you have plugged into the USB ports at once? It is probably fine.

[Anonymous No.9883214]

>>9883203
Currently two controllers, and dongles for keyboard, bluetooth and wifi. Looks like it's fine for now but I can imagine I'm pushing it with only 2A

[Anonymous No.9883354]

>>9883214
Better to buy one from your local store especially if you live in Australia where power supplies have some serious standards.

[Anonymous No.9883396]

Can you be TOO retro for retro?

This MiSTer case feels like it's something out of the 1950s, or at latest the 70s with the woodgrain. Not the kind of look on devices you would really see in the eras of most of the consoles or PCs you can play on it.

Also, that's a SHITLOAD of wasted empty space. Why not just make it smaller? It would be cheaper to make that way too.

[Anonymous No.9883401]

>>9883396
those sandwhiches look so stupid. get an mms.

[Anonymous No.9883406]

>>9883396
That looks pretty cool ngl

[Anonymous No.9883409]

>>9883396
Something about this big dumb box with metal and woodgrain appeals to me. The amount of wasted space kinda sucks though, but ultimately it doesn't matter too much as you should be looking at the screen and playing video games instead of ogling at the platform itself.

[Anonymous No.9883413]

>>9883170
>>9883214
The one that came with it will probably be fine, but I use a meanwell 4A adapter because it's good quality, and so I can plug in an external hdd. 3A would be plenty honestly, but I'd rather overdo it.

[Anonymous No.9883430]

>>9883413
>meanwell
I've seen this one recommended on MiSTer forums as well. Is this model good?

[Anonymous No.9883438]

>>9883430
That's the one I use, exept with a 2 pin connector. Has worked great for me so far.

[Anonymous No.9883464]

>>9883396
I can't stand how this guy is so full of himself with his logo.

[Anonymous No.9883481]

>>9883438
Thanks, I'll buy it them.

[Anonymous No.9883489]

>>9883481
np

[Anonymous No.9883495]

>>9883396
>that's a SHITLOAD of wasted empty space
Not everyone lives in a shoebox. Clearly that faggot has tons of extra space. He must have a whole shelf dictated to that thing with all that shit hanging out the side once it's actually plugged in.

[Anonymous No.9883501]

>>9865139
I have both the active and passive adapters. At this point, there's no reason to buy the passive, but they work good. I use one on an old composite only CRT and the image is "good", in the sense of "good for composite". S-Video tested fine on another TV. The big issue so far is that whatever core you're playing has to support either the new framework or have a YC specific core made for it in order to work, but basically all of the console cores are on the new framework, and I believe a good chunk of arcade are, as well.

[Anonymous No.9883550]

>>9883396
Looks cool. A lot of that woodgrain stuff in the 70's was empty space too, infamously the AtariVCS was mostly empty.

[Anonymous No.9883557]

>>9883481
I was using one but switched to this, my DE-10 came with USB-barrel adapters. There was something not quite right with the ching-chong 5A I bought.

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07YLDJND3

[Anonymous No.9883560]

>>9883501
Cool, thanks for the reply. Good for composite is what I'm looking for. Want to use it on a composite only crt.

[Anonymous No.9883587]

MiSTer myths:

>it needs a fan
No it doesn't, if it needed a fan it would come with one. A heatsink won't hurt but a fan is overkill.

>It needs a power switch to turn it off

No it doesn't, if it needed one it would come with one. In fact turning it off carelessly can cause issues with some cores not unmounting their volumes cleanly. Fun fact, those inline switches are shit and cause voltage drops, causing your DE-10 to draw too much current and get cooked.

Power cycling electronics is more damaging than just leaving them on.

[Anonymous No.9883604]

>>9880769
I've seen a few dudes crying they static zapped their bare boards and screwed them up. Best to use a case I have pic related.

[Anonymous No.9883635]

>>9883587
>Power cycling electronics is more damaging than just leaving them on.

I constantly think about this. I constantly turn my MiSTer on and off all the time and I've been playing almost everyday for 3 years now

[Anonymous No.9883652]

>>9883587
Although that's somewhat true, the DE-10 Nano can withstand upwards of 40,000 power cycles, it's literally impossible to reach that in a lifetime. Meanwhile, capacitors don't like being on 24/7 though and will fail much faster if you leave it on. The average capacitor has about 30,000 hours before it dies off, leaving on 24/7 you'll reach that in about 3 years.

[Anonymous No.9883669]

>>9883635
It's probably no big deal now but definitely was a contributing factor to older electronics. Anyway no harm to just leave it on.

[Anonymous No.9883672]

>>9875770
>I play games made at 50 and 60hz interpolated to higher fps because I am retarded
>GRRRRR NO IT ISN'T INTERPOLATION
>WAAH STOP CALLING IT THAT.
lol. You turn on 120hz for tv too I bet, you moron.

[Anonymous No.9883673]

>>9883652
>he average capacitor has about 30,000 hours before it dies off
Source. MTBF I see on SMD caps is 4000+ YEARS.

[Anonymous No.9883675]

>>9883672
dumb retard nobody mentioned interpolation

[Anonymous No.9883678]

>>9883673
I don't remember where I got number, took it from memory. But I'd be glad to be wrong

[Anonymous No.9883687]

>>9873634
The only downside is the core and MiSTer main developers having to add code to support it. They still don't trust CHD to be reliable.

[Anonymous No.9883724]

>>9866602
Which doesn't let you control the interface. Also good luck with arcade games.

[Anonymous No.9883727]

>>9866658
Also there nobody will call you out when upselling the qualities of the thing.

[Anonymous No.9883735]

>>9867931
Sounds like a whole bunch of speculation.

[Anonymous No.9883743]

>>9883735
No, it's deterministically provable.

[Anonymous No.9883779]

>>9883724
I just use a wireless 8bitdo controller for that. It's not that hard bro. You could also use usb adapters for original controllers if you really wanted to.

[Anonymous No.9883854]

>>9883735
>speculation
The term you're looking for is "word salad" The faggot has no idea what he's talking about. He's just typing words he's seen that he thinks make him sound knowledgeable. But anyone with a basic understanding of electronics can see it's the nonsensical ramblings of a foolish child.

[Anonymous No.9883881]

https://youtu.be/fEyF30kenUM?t=120

[Anonymous No.9883929]

>>9883587
>>it needs a fan
>No it doesn't, if it needed a fan it would come with one. A heatsink won't hurt but a fan is overkill.

It doesn't need one, but it is recommended for some of the cores as the FPGA gets pretty hot. It's not going to outright kill it, but it's also not really doing it any good letting it run hot without cooling. Not exactly good for it's lifespan.

>>9883652
Meanwhile, capacitors don't like being on 24/7 though and will fail much faster if you leave it on. The average capacitor has about 30,000 hours before it dies off, leaving on 24/7 you'll reach that in about 3 years.

If that's the case how come it's not a problem to leave computers on 24/7 that you use for years on end without all of their caps blowing? Or are the capacitors in modern computer motherboards different? All of my PCs I leave on all the time, some of them that I still use daily are over a decade old now and still work fine. One needed a PSU replacement, that's about it in terms of critical power-components failing. (Mechanical drives are of course another story)

Not challenging you, I am actually asking because I had no idea about this and want to know if my computers are well past their life expectancy after three years if I leave them on all the time because of this.

(Come to think about it, what about chargers that people leave plugged into the port, like the character for a phone or other device. I assume some of the components are still getting power through them even if a device is not connected to the charger most of the time)

[Anonymous No.9884003]

>>9883929
>Not exactly good for it's lifespan.
Why not? Define hot, as long as the FPGA is running in spec it's OK. Considering the CycloneV is designed for industrial embedded applications, I'm pretty sure it's a rugged component.

I run mine with only a heatsink running Ao486, A1200, Neogeo etc in the middle of Australian summer, it doesn't miss a beat. Run a fan if you like but I've yet to see a compelling reason to.

[Anonymous No.9884024]

>>9883396
I bought this thing, it's a fucking piece of shit that's impossible to put together. To be fair to the guy who made it, he did TRY to help me out for a bit, but he managed to sound like a complete fedora-wearing neckbeard the whole time without talking about feminism or atheism.

Do NOT buy this. Do not. You're just going to pull your hair out.

[Anonymous No.9884043]

>>9884024
I take it neither of your mothers were able to help?

[Anonymous No.9884219]

>>9884003
I run a fan because it cost 2 bucks to add it to the io board I bought. Probably does nothing, but it's barely audible so idc.

[Anonymous No.9884647]

>>9883560
If you're planning on Composite only, then definitely make sure you get the active adapter. It fixes some issues with Genesis and NES output.

[Anonymous No.9884871]

>>9883587
those little heatsinks that stick on with tape are shit. thermal tape is garbage. if you cant mount a heat sink with paste then you are better with no heatsink. I use a 120mm fan mounted to the top of my case that cools the entire de10 and the ram module. no heatsink. I can run memtest at 150mhz for 12+ hours error free.

inline switches are shit and leaving the de10 on 24hours a day is retarded. use pic related.

also the de10 doesnt come with an enclosure either. youre welcome to brick yours with static discharge like the dozens of others on the misterfpga forums who thought it didnt need one.

[Anonymous No.9884916]

>>9884871
>those little heatsinks that stick on with tape are shit. thermal tape is garbage.
They are a dollar and do not impede your ability to use a fan. No reason not to use one. It passes at least some heat away from the hottest part. An aluminum case is one giant heat sink.

[Anonymous No.9884921]

>>9884871
>youre welcome to brick yours with static discharge like the dozens of others on the misterfpga forums who thought it didnt need one.

lol who has done this? you're full of shit, most retards blowing up their de-10 are from idiots plugging in a 12V supply

[Anonymous No.9884993]

>>9884916
>They are a dollar
I guess ebayers will scalp anything. You shouldn't pay more than a buck a dozen, tops.

[Anonymous No.9885009]

>>9875775
>If a top of the line CPU takes minutes to render a single frame while emulating the NES at the transistor level(check MetalNES) you can forget about memes like FPGA ever coming close to that
Brainlet.

[Anonymous No.9886269]

>>9884871
is thermal tape really that bad?

[Anonymous No.9886708]

>>9864039
I once owned a MiSTer, but it affected my love life. I would play on this thing for hours while my girlfriend cheated on me with our neighbor nextdoor. I ended up alone. So I destroyed this MiSTer with a sledge hammer.

[Anonymous No.9886751]

>>9886269
no, there's just better solutions

if you feel heat being transfered via the tape then its doing its job, that anon is retarded

[Anonymous No.9888197]

>>9886708
It's ok. The homeless guy who stole your anime pillow just wanted something soft to sleep on. "she" didn't cheat on you.

[Anonymous No.9888483]

>>9886708
fool, she just used the mister as an excuse. if she was a real woman she would have stood by her man.

[Anonymous No.9888606]

>>9886708
>play too many videogames
>man fucks your girlfriend
>she's now his
>buttfuck the man to establish dominance
>girlfriend is now yours again transitively
>you are now king cum-slammer
>can play videogames anytime you want as king
>cum-slam all who oppose you

[Anonymous No.9888623]

>>9888606
that's just being gay with extra steps

[Anonymous No.9888628]

>>9884921
look on the forum. theres a new one just the other day.

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=4289

[Anonymous No.9888640]

>>9886269
every test I've seen done with raspberry pis suggests the best case scenario is it buys you like 20 minutes of better temps then afterwards its like you had no heatsink, and in the worse case scenario it actually runs hotter.

[Anonymous No.9888646]

>>9888623

[Anonymous No.9889427]

>>9888640
But if you have an aluminium case the heat is going somewhere and anything that removes heat from the hottest point is going to help.

[Anonymous No.9889428]

>>9888640
How the fuck would it run hotter?

[Anonymous No.9890327]

>>9889428
dont ask questions goy

[Anonymous No.9890631]

Is the level shifter really necessary? I tried plugging in a snes controller with just the snes adapter and it worked fine. Would it fuck the controller long term?

[Anonymous No.9890912]

>>9890631
>Is the level shifter really necessary?
What did the manuals say?
>Would it fuck the controller long term?
Not at all. Your $5 controller is perfectly safe. And definitely the most important thing you should be worrying about.

[Anonymous No.9890942]

>>9890631
whats that for

[Anonymous No.9890953]

>>9890942
It shifts levels

[Anonymous No.9890998]

>>9890942
SNAC adapter. It shifts the voltage from 3.3v to 5v since that's what most old controllers expect. You're supposed to plug it into the user port and then plug the controller usb adapters into it.

[Anonymous No.9891016]

>>9890631
The controller expects 5v, as the io port is 3.3v it will be loaded up with more current per ohm's law and invariably we will see another moron pleading for help in mister forums. If only static electricity could sterilize idiots.

[Anonymous No.9891067]

>>9890631
It'll probably be fine, but I'd use it anyway

[Anonymous No.9891192]

>>9891067
No it won't be fine.

[Anonymous No.9891253]

>>9891016
>The controller expects 5v, as the io port is 3.3v
sauce?

[Anonymous No.9891294]

>>9891253
Fuck you dickhead.

[Anonymous No.9891295]

>>9888606
Makes me glad that I don't own a MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.9891349]

>>9891294
>my zoomie ass
That's what I thought. Daily reminder that making word salad using words you don't understand doesn't make you look clever.

[Anonymous No.9891685]

>>9891349
Enjoy your fried io. Can't wait to see you crying on the mister forums.

[Anonymous No.9891903]

>>9891192
It would be fine. Did some digging, and snes controllers that use the 4021 cmos ICs will work totally fine on 3.3v. They're rated to accept 3v minimum. There are other versions that require 5v to work however.

>>9891685
You wouldn't harm the io board wtf lol

[Anonymous No.9891912]

>>9891903
>It would be fine. Did some digging, and snes controllers that use the 4021 cmos ICs will work totally fine on 3.3v. They're rated to accept 3v minimum. There are other versions that require 5v to work however.

So instead of just getting a cheap SNAC adapter to prevent from frying your $400-600 MiSTer, you are going to hunt down specific revisions of the controllers and risk the damage? This is like building a $5000 computer and refusing to get a $120 UPS for it.

[Anonymous No.9891926]

>>9891912
Nothing would happen with the 5v controllers, they just wouldn't work. You're not risking shit, least of all your mister.

[Anonymous No.9891975]

>>9891685
How do you imagine you being retarded is going to fry anyones io tardanon? Other than evoking a small chuckle or sigh or disgust, how will your pathetic attempt to impress other children on /vr/ affect anyone else in any way?

[Anonymous No.9892019]

>>9891975
Do what you like it's a free world, YWNBAW.

[Anonymous No.9892064]

https://github.com/venice1200/MiSTer_SNAC2IEC

This is pretty cool.