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What are the best (and worst) retro Treasure games, /vr/?

>> No.5389543

Golden Axe

>> No.5389579
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best if Headdy, not sure what the worst is

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>>5389529
/thread

>> No.5389816

>>5389579
Silhouette Mirage.

>> No.5389838

>>5389529
Ikaruga and Sin & Punishment. I'll let you figure out which is which.

>> No.5389884

bangai-o

is the shiznit (which means good in street slang)

>> No.5389886

>>5389529
The answer to both is all of them

>> No.5389901

Sin & Punishment
Alien & Soldier

worst:
Silhouette Mirage

>> No.5389909
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The best is Bangai-O easily. That game is pure fun and has some wonderful level design. Guardian Heroes and Alien Soldier are up there too.

Worst is harder. Stretch Panic is their worst game overall but not retro. Silhouette Mirage is pretty fun in the Jap version but the WD port sucks balls. I'm going to go with Light Crusader since it controls shitty for a Treasure game and a lot of the puzzles kinda suck or rely on the graphics being ambiguous.

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>> No.5390175

>>5390173
Took you a while to pop up, schizo.

>> No.5390178

>>5390173
oh look its this faggot again

>> No.5390186

>>5389838
Easy. Sin & Punishment is a fantastic game while Ikaruga is a pretty, but mediocre exercise in memorization and not very good compared with other shmups.

>> No.5390187

Worst is probably something like Stretch Panic.

>> No.5390257
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5390257

>all these posts implying based SilMir is bad

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>>5389529
Treasure have never made a good game

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>>5389529
Radiant Silvergun and Gunstar Heroes are two of my favorites.

>> No.5390309

>>5390259
samefag

>> No.5390312

I really like mischief makers. I haven't played stretch panic so I can't say anything on it. It doesn't look great though

>> No.5390337

How is the WD version of Silhouette Mirage like? What did they change? I only beat the original and unironically liked it a lot

>> No.5390342

>>5390173
>>5390259
this

>> No.5390353

>>5390342
embarrassing samefagging

>> No.5390361

>>5390337
Censorship, jacked up the prices in the shop so you have to farm more, gameplay is changed so you have to drain energy from enemies in order to recharge your ammo.

>> No.5390365

>>5389816
Silhouette Mirage is really enjoyable on the Saturn original.

>> No.5390376

>>5390173
>>5390259
>>5390342
Based

>> No.5390379

>>5390376
stop nigger you are not fooling anyone.

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>>5390376
Kys

>> No.5390427

>>5389529
Gunstar Heroes, Silhouette Mirage (saturn), Silvergun, Ikaruga, Bangai-o are all fantastic.
Worst is probably dragon dive i guess.
>>5390337
It's shit as usual. It's missing half the graphics, censored, rubbish translation, really bad voice acting, slowdown everywhere and they butchered the gameplay and changed all the difficulty parameters.

>> No.5390473

>>5390173

>> No.5390510

Top 5 Best:
Alien Soldier
Dynamite Headdy
Bangai-O (Dreamcast)
Silhouette Mirage (Saturn)
Gradius V

Top 5 Worst:
McDonald's
Stretch Panic
Buster's Bad Dream
Dragon Drive: D-Masters Shot
Light Crusader (not a bad game, just not a good Treasure game, since it lacks arcade-y design)

>> No.5390528

>>5390473
keep samefagging

>> No.5390529

I haven't played Bangai-O myself, which version is better, N64 or DC?

>> No.5390539

>>5390259
/thread

>> No.5390550

>>5390529
DC has better graphics, sound, and pacing which leads to more enjoyability. On N64 you have to farm fruits to power up your bomb and your starting mech's power sucks and doesn't carry over to each level, so you have to use an in-game shop to keep upgrading it. DC version replaces the fruit bomb with proximity bomb, so you get more energy back based on how closely you use your bomb to bullets and enemies, and does away with the shop system completely. Also DC is the only one in English if you care about dialog/plot. Some people say N64 has a better controller for it, but I don't mind how it works on DC; the stick controls your 8-way gunfire, while the face buttons control your mech movement. Anyway, just play both and come to your own conclusions.

>> No.5390558

>the anti-treasure poster still samefagging.

>> No.5390626

>>5390427
Whenever I hear people criticize Silhouette Mirage I always forget that WD butchered it during localization so I'm like "what the fuck are you talking about!?"

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>>5390529
Just to give you a different angle from what >>5390550 said, you don't really need to be at full power in order to play the game. The level up/shop system on the original isn't something you will be doing in every level, it's not even easy to do, you can only upgrade if you manage to do combos of over 100 explosions at once. You could say the DC version is an easier version, besides there not being an upgrade system and being at full power always, Mami's shots which were weaker on the N64 version here deal the same damage as Riki's shots on DC (the catch is that Mami's shots can rebounce on walls, so while her shots deal less damage, they can be more effective in closed areas), and also DC version gives you HP refills from enemies, while on N64, HP refills are limited per level.
And I do think the controls are better on N64, especially the suggested scheme Treasure gives: shoot with controls stick and move with d-pad.
DC has better graphics (although I think the N64 graphics have a charming, more retro aesthetic to them), different music and it also has a couple extra boss fights.
to be honest I love both versions, in fact, play the DC first, simply because it's easier to get into. If you want more, go for the N64 original.

>> No.5390756

>>5390186
>but mediocre exercise in memorization
Every shmups is like this.

>> No.5390798

>>5390259
A man of culture.

>> No.5390805

>>5390798
A man of samefag, actually.

>> No.5390819

how many ip this faggot have?

>> No.5390838

Do the N64 and DC bangai-o games emulate well? I love the hell out of Spirits and Missile Fury.

>> No.5390839

>>5390510
>Mischief Makers not in Top 5 best

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>> No.5390850
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>>5390842

>> No.5390909

>>5390756
That's not entirely true. The good ones are excellent exercises in memorization!

Honestly, a lot of what makes Ikaruga boring is that there's very little choice on how to best proceed through a level. This is what makes it boring, there's no real choices to be made, no tradeoffs to balance in order to work towards a better score.

>> No.5390927

>>5390839
>gimmicky gold-gems-collectathon platformer with arbitrary, incohesive level designs

into the trash it goes

>> No.5390939

>>5390909
>Honestly, a lot of what makes Ikaruga boring is that there's very little choice on how to best proceed through a level. This is what makes it boring, there's no real choices to be made, no tradeoffs to balance in order to work towards a better score
Just like every other shmup. People love to say Ikaruga is a boring puzzle game with one path when playing for score, but playing for score in any other shmup is exactly the same. Ikaruga is held to a different standard because normalfags like to name drop it.

>> No.5390952

>>5390939
nah, people call it a puzzle game because of its shitty match 3 colours scoring system. am i playing a shump or fucking puyo puyo?

>> No.5391068

>>5390952
>>5390939

Man, I would much rather play a good fucking puzzle game like Puyo Puyo or Magical Drop or Puzzle Money Exchanger.

That being said, I think you hate shmups, >>5390939 which is fine, but there's a lot out there that have a lot more depth to play and score than Ikaruga. For example, I hate/love Recca just because surviving is still what I have to focus on and I can't even begin to think of scoring yet. Something like Muchi Muchi Pork however I'm chasing bigger and bigger scores and while there is a lot of memorization and feeling out how long you can milk bosses for, there isn't yet any autistic perfect run that I've seen.

And even then, even if a game has a theoretical/TAS perfect version of it doesn't mean it's bad to play. MTPO isn't a bad game because you can memorize it to the level that people can beat the game blindfolded now.

>> No.5391081

>>5390927
>gimmicky
Every video game after Pong is gimmicky.
Seriously though, the golden gems aren't mandatory. Get good, though.

>> No.5391174

>>5391081
>he thinks pong was the first videogame
fucking normie trashurecucks

>> No.5391178

>>5391174
Never implied I thought it was the first video game
>trashure
Oh, it's you.

>> No.5391352

What are some other devs that almost never made duds? I can only think of Squaresoft, Konami (up until 6th gen), Quintet and Atlus (although they were usually just the Publisher).

>> No.5391438

>>5390756
>>5390909
That's why Bangai-O is better than any shmup

>> No.5392595

>>5391438
>tfw there are no other horizontal-perspective, multi-directional, free-roaming puzzle bullet hell shooters like it
Feels bad, lads.

>> No.5394924

>>5390173
based

>> No.5394927

>>5391438
It’s the only game of its kind really. But god damn is it so perfect

>> No.5394934

>>5394924
>>5390376
>>5390259
>>5390173
>>5390539
>>5390798
>>5390342
>>5390473
pathetic

>> No.5394953

>>5390173
Be cool if there wuz som poop in there.

>> No.5394954

>>5389901
THIS

>> No.5394962

>>5390838
64 emulates fine.

>> No.5394974

>>5390510
Silpheed The Lost Planet is in my bottom five. Really boring for a Treasure game. It's a PS2 game but it came out before Sin & Punishment so it's technically retro.

>> No.5394976

>>5394962
Did they fix the issues with the cutscene portraits?

>> No.5394981

>>5394976
i think so. i don't remember there being issues when i played it on retroarch.

>> No.5397090

>>5389529
the mcdonalds treasure land one is okay. McKids is better

>> No.5397362

>>5391352
LucasArts

>> No.5397369

>>5391178
Your statement and characterization of Pong as The Only Pure Video Game does imply it was the first video game. How could it be The Purest, if not by means of it also being The First? Also fuck you, you retarded piece of baiting shit

>> No.5397381

>>5397369
>trashure spambot accuses other people of baiting

Not even him and I give zero fucks about Pong, but you troll constantly. Complaining about people baiting you is super weak.

>> No.5397401

>>5397369
You're actually mentally challenged, it seems.
That guy never implied Pong is the ONLY video game or the first or the purest, he said "no video game AFTER Pong". If anything, he implied that Pong was the last pure video game without gimmicks.
You should improve your reading and comprehension skills before trying to force shitposts.

>> No.5397442

>a game can either only be overly gimmicky like mischief makers or no gimmicks at all like pong
Must suck being this retarded to argue in one-dimensional blacks or whites.

>> No.5397456

>>5397442
The thing is that calling MM "overly gimmicky" is also being one-dimensional. The pong joke is analogous to your attitude, "trashure" shitposter.
>but shaking is a gimmick
Hm, shaking actually takes frames, and by shaking you can improve your attacks (for example, grabbing a missile and shaking it to make it bigger). You have to time it well because you could get hit while shaking. It's part of the gameplay, sorry.

>> No.5397476

>>5389721
best post

>> No.5397483

>>5397090
this is just entirely incorrect. McKids sucks dick and Treaure Land Adventure is one of the best Genesis platformers

>> No.5397494

>>5397483
>Treaure Land Adventure is one of the best Genesis platformers
That's a bit hard to argue since Genesis has a lot of great platformers, but it's a good one.
So is M.C. Kids.
Which is weird considering they're licensed Mc fucking Donald's games.

>> No.5397559

>>5397494
mckidz physics feels garbage like it's a bad euro PC platformer from the 90s

>> No.5397562

>>5397494
also I'll fucking argue it all day. I've played a lot of Genesis but I haven't beaten a game as many times as Treasure Land Adventure

>> No.5397930

>>5397559
I always thought it was a good platformer, for being western. Controls are a bit slippery, but physics felt mostly decent.
And that's fine if you enjoyed Treasure Land Adventure a lot, but I would pick stuff like Dynamite Headdy if we're talking platformers, or even classics like Castle of Illusion or hell, even Sonic, before Treasure Land.

>> No.5397965

>tfw when you will never be as mentally ill as the trashshure fag
>>>/v/452504468

>> No.5398485

>>5397965
That's some good comedy there