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Wizardry 4 Anonymous Mon May 19 20:11:31 2014 No.1632997 [Reply] [Original]

I spent all week playing this game.

For those of you who've experience with Wizardry 4... how the fuck do I get past the first floor?

I can handle the piss-ant adventurers just fine. I can beat the Guardians just fine.

But then there are two groups of patrols near the door in the third (or maybe it was the fourth) square-hallway... named-groups of 4-6 adventurers, many with over 20 hit points. I can run from them, but it pushes me back a square and I simply encounter them again 100% of the time moving forward after that. I tried going around the square to reach the door from the other side, but another patrol-group of similar difficulty is waiting for me. I even made sure to go all the way back to the pentagram to re-summon a fresh batch of monsters, but most of them have an uncanny habit of running away like cowards or dying to one hit.

I'm no newbie to the Wizardry series at all, but with this game I felt like the designers personally broke into my apartment, tied me to the toilet, and filled my ass with lava-hot elephant cum and dragon dildos by the time the weekend ended.

Yes, I mad.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 19 20:29:47 2014 No.1633028 File: 875 KB, 1280x1440, 1398990160373.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >wizardry 4

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 01:00:49 2014 No.1633602 >>1632997 What monsters are you summoning?

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Anonymous Tue May 20 03:01:37 2014 No.1633832
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>>1633602

I played it some more this evening and got a lot further with these monsters:

* The Coin thingies (they summon other coins, and have 1HP breath attacks... so 9 of these using a breath attack against enemies wipes out most encounters)
* The Zombie... turns out they paralyze on hitting an enemy sometimes, and have better aim than the fucking Orc
* Lv 1 Priest ... because it's required

I actually made it to the Third Guardian this time... but on the first turn, before I could do ANYTHING, he got the first move and instantly casted Mahalito. Immediate Game Over screen.

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Anonymous Tue May 20 03:05:26 2014 No.1633841

Yes, Wizardry 4 was made to be ridiculously hard with only a slim chance to clear each level.
What pissed me off the most was how much it depended on the RNG. You have to constantly reroll your party even though Trebor is on your back. And how you have no control over your party so even casting MILWA becomes a complex undertaking.
I may play the simplified PCE/PS1 versions instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:09:49 2014 No.1633845 File: 348 KB, 320x200, Mahalito, cha cha cha!.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1633832 And here's the video

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 03:17:47 2014 No.1633858 >>1633832 >but on the first turn, before I could do ANYTHING, he got the first move and instantly casted Mahalito. Now imagine how fun it gets once you encounter high level ninjas and mages.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 04:11:59 2014 No.1633915 It sounds like save states are mandatory for this game...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:35:23 2014 No.1634025 >>1633915 Why not just play a different game? Who are you trying to fool by claiming you beat Wizardry 4 by cheating your way through?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:37:08 2014 No.1634026 >>1634025 maybe he just wants to, I don't know, have fun playing the game I know, that is a novel concept for /vr/, but still

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Anonymous Tue May 20 06:43:06 2014 No.1634030

>>1634026
I don't you think can have fun in Wizardry 4 unless you are an extreme masochist.
You'd end up constantly reloading for every single step you make.

I went into it euphorically because I had cleared Wizardry 1-3 without real issues and quickly came to the realization that I am merely a mortal.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:47:18 2014 No.1634034 There's really no excuse for this level of inflated difficulty. I can't imagine anyone has ever found it fun... did they even play test the thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:50:19 2014 No.1634039 >>1634034 The point was to silence the people demanding greater difficulty.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:53:43 2014 No.1634043 >>1634026 >maybe he just wants to, I don't know, have fun playing the game It's like trying to somehow make a bad movie more enjoyable by skipping most of it and just watching the credits.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:57:00 2014 No.1634049 >>1634030 Save states isn't much trouble for me, it's just hitting a function key. I'd have to play the Apple II version though, since I don't think dosbox can do save states. But it doesn't matter, the graphics are probably identical...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:58:38 2014 No.1634050 >>1634043 More like skipping a bunch of boring ads, and just getting to the action.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:59:30 2014 No.1634051 >>1634043 With a bad movie at least I can try to poke fun at it due to how bad it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 06:59:48 2014 No.1634052 >>1634039 I hope they were happy with their bullshit insane levels of difficulty then.

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Anonymous Tue May 20 07:04:42 2014 No.1634056

>>1634049
DOSbox has save states, at least the SVN builds.
I'd generally recommend getting the PC98 for higher resolution text or PS1 for nicer graphics. Gameplay is identical between all versions save for the PCE-CD and the alternate mode on the PS1 (which both are only partially in English).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 07:08:49 2014 No.1634062 >>1634050 No, more like skipping a bunch of boring action and getting to the credits. Because that's exactly what you're proposing to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 07:10:30 2014 No.1634065 >>1634050 What action? There is nothing in the game aside from frustrating encounters.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 20 07:19:40 2014 No.1634073 >>1634065 A lot of RPGs are like that. I'll just skip the part about dying and starting from scratch, since this game sounds more deadly than most.

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Anonymous Tue May 20 07:31:45 2014 No.1634075

>>1634073
Wizardry 4 actually gives you the option to save your progress so you don't necessarily have to start from scratch.
Give it a try if you think you can make it fun with savestates but you'll be wasting your time.
Wizardry 4 is not a normal RPG so don't expect it to be.

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Anonymous Tue May 20 23:00:46 2014 No.1635714
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Finally made it to the second floor.

Third Guardian is pretty much all luck, but after that I discovered a second pentagram on the outer hallway of the first floor which means I can quit+save and re-summon without having to re-do that shit and only fight a handful of adventurers and the Pyramid Guard to get to level 2. Also like a retard I didn't know Q was the proper key to quit, not ALT-X (which just dumps you back to DOS without saving your progress)

And unlike Wizardry 1-3, permadeath isn't a thing. No, instead, Wizardry 4's equivalent is to tempt you into doing a Quit+Save at the worst possible places, as it respawns all enemies, patrols, and bosses... knowing the right places to quit-and-save seems to be just as much a part of the game's many challenges.

But, I'm feeling it. I *know* I can beat this game with enough perseverance. That's what Arino-san would want me to do.

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Anonymous Wed May 21 02:50:17 2014 No.1636067

>>1635714
I cleared the start floor after I saw the second pentagram on a map.
I had beaten the third guardian several times but it had always cost me one of my groups so I tried to head back to summon replacements which usually ended with me getting killed along the way or Trebor catching up.
After I knew where the pentagram was I could just save after the guardian and inch my way toward the pentagram, regularly saving along the way whenever I made progress without losses. Without that knowledge it would just have been wasteful guesswork instead of trying to defeat the fourth guardian.
I don't see saving in the wrong place as a problem since you get 10 slots.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 21 12:26:28 2014 No.1636659 File: 1001 B, 560x384, maze.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1635714 >Finally made it to the second floor. >But, I'm feeling it. I know I can beat this game with enough perseverance You...really have no idea what's coming...do you?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 21 15:55:28 2014 No.1637016 >>1636659 I'm a bit curious to continue to see just how bullshitty it gets.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 21 16:09:40 2014 No.1637028 >>1637016 Please continue to tell us about it if you do continue, this is quite interesting and almost certainly more tolerable than any LP's that are out there.

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Anonymous Wed May 21 16:15:03 2014 No.1637039

>>1637028
>Please continue to tell us about it if you do continue, this is quite interesting and almost certainly more tolerable than any LP's that are out there.
Not saying this is a bad thread, but did you even look?

http://lparchive.org/Wizardry-IV/

>>	Anonymous Wed May 21 16:20:13 2014 No.1637047 >>1637039 >lparchive.org Completely forgot that existed, I was imagining something horrible on youtube. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed May 21 16:21:51 2014 No.1637049 >>1637047 Yeah, RPGs don't work well on youtube, aside from showing specific parts of the game. That link might also help the OP a bit, if he wants it.