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Old people here, just wondering, did you guys feel ripped off by this back in the day or was it enough with out S&K

>> No.9989714

I was 8 years old at the time. I thought it was a full release game, and it seemed like one, because I never got to the end. Played it at a friends house. Never got past the barrel in the carnival level. I always had to be Tails, since it wasn't my game. My friend would say "here comes the hard part, (the barrel) don't press any buttons, you'll mess it up." Then he'd fuck around on that barrel as Sonic until time ran out. That friend had all the Sonic games, including Sonic & Knuckles, which I thought was just another Sonic game that could do neat stuff when linked to the older games.

I only had Sonic 2, which I liked better, because I could play it the way I wanted.

>> No.9989754

>>9989686
>did you guys feel ripped off by this back in the day or was it enough with out S&K
Absolutely did not feel ripped off and didn't realize it was the same game in two parts until much later.
>>9989714
>the barrel
I vividly remember the first time getting to it and figuring it out only to die a minute later from the 10m time limit. After that it never filtered me and was never a big deal.

>> No.9989786
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9989786

No, although Sonic 2 felt more diverse, 3 had the cinematic Quality, the realistic graphics inspired by DKC, and the new, mysterious rival character, Rastafari.
It wasn't until later that I learned that it was a male Echidna and names Knuckles, when I started seeing S&K ads.

>> No.9989807

>>9989686
I didn't even know that Sonic & Knuckles existed until years later. Which is a shame too because a few of my favorite levels in the game are from S&K.

>> No.9989809
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>>9989686
zoomer invader here
but i grew up with a megadrive
and this is probably the game that i most played on the console, mostly because i never could finished, also i didn't knew Knuckles was a playable character back then and when i first saw S&K roms i tought it was a hack.

>> No.9989820

>>9989786
>the cinematic Quality
I absolutely love how the story is told without any words and you still know what's going on. Only thing I would have liked to have seen(hindsight 20/20) would be the level select screen showing the stages on the floating island instead of just the photos of the stages to select

>> No.9989825

The Chris Chandlers of the world would just be impressed by a little pre-rendered rombloat shit.

>> No.9989851

>>9989820
>I absolutely love how the story is told without any words and you still know what's going on.
Any other games do this?

>> No.9989861

>>9989686
No. It was about as big as the other games by itself. And it was a time where you would play one game over and over again, not just move on to the next one once you beat it.

>> No.9989875

>>9989686
Felt fine I guess but I didn't like the game

>> No.9989936

I actually thought they were two completely seperate games for a long time. I beat Sonic 3 over and over again because the game always amazed me. When I found out about how you could connect them up together it was like a whole new world was opened up.
Felt absolutely amazing. Loved the game even more afterwards. I've played a LOT of 2D games on so many consoles since but imho, I still think Sonic 3 &K is the absolutely pinnacle of the 2D sidescrolling genre. Nothing will ever top it imo.

>> No.9989956

>>9989936
>I still think Sonic 3 &K is the absolutely pinnacle of the 2D sidescrolling genre. Nothing will ever top it imo.
Sort of cheating, though, is it not? Even without the whole jewish cashgrab, the whole game couldn't fit on one cart.

>> No.9989976

>>9989686
I liked Sonic games but I sucked at them.
3 release hyped me enough to finish 2, but I found S&K before.
I liked &K way more than 2 and appreciated the better balanced difficulty: it was bigger and generally harder, but not cheap as later levels in 2.
I liked 3&k a lot, but the barrel filtered me, it took months to get past it with Tails.

>> No.9989986

>>9989956
It exists so no it's not cheating.

>> No.9989991

>>9989956
plenty of DOS games did something similar desu. Even Sonic 3 alone imo trumped a lot of the sidescrolling games of its time. Having &K along with it was an added bonus. To me, it was more of an expansion pack, and even by itself, it felt complete. Combined together was something else entirely. To this day I'm still impressed the Megadrive/Genesis is able to handle all that processing power without blowing up. A masterpiece of engineering imo.

>> No.9989995
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9989995

3&K is not better than standalone 3 and &K though.
Maybe if you want to play as Knuckles in Sonic 3, or as Tails in &K as a novelty, but 3&K has less content than the stand alone originals.

>> No.9990012

>>9989995
i'm pretty sure 3&K has extra content unlocked if you combine the cartridges together.

also, what is this new trend lately onsite where comments don't even bother linking themselves to conversations in threads they're taking part in.

>> No.9990034

>>9989956
S3&K could fit in one cartridge. It's 4MB and several games late in the system's life reached that size like Sonic 3D Blast. In fact Sega were planning on releasing it on one cartridge later on but never did.
https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3_Limited_Edition

>> No.9990074

>>9989686
No. I played the shit out of this game growing up and it's still my favorite Sonic game, even without S+K.

>> No.9990083

I never had Sonic 3, I had 1, 2, and & Knuckles lololol. Sandopolis sucks dick but looking back I lucked out by not having Marble Garden and Carnival Night back-to-back

>> No.9990096

>>9989825
Did CWC even play the Genesis games? Or any retro Sonic games at all? Definitely looks more like the type that plays Pokemon games instead.

>> No.9990107
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9990107

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1686969438494817.webm

>> No.9990143

>>9989686
I had been playing sonic 3 for a few years before I learned by word of mouth that there even was another game/expansion. it was just a cool surprise and I was psyched to play it.

>> No.9990183

>>9990096
CWC absolutely grew up playing the Genesis games

>> No.9990194

>>9989686
I was a kid bro I don't even remember anything but being hyped to play all these fun as fuck video games. In hindsight of course Sonic 3 should have been combined with S&K to begin with. It would make the two separate games so much better in retrospect if it was one complete package. The story obviously would have played out a bit differently if they were to be the same game from the start.

Add to them being one huge combined game from the start and Sonic getting to have the drop dash ability that Sega was planning would have made this easily the best Sonic game for Genesis and what is already the best game for the console even better. Only thing I'd change at that point is more mini games then just blue spheres to change things up so it feels fresh and even more rich of a game.

>> No.9990205

>>9990096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFQrhp84jDo

>> No.9990221

>>9990096
God commanded KB Toys to make him the winner of their Sonic sweepstakes. It was by providence that he had a lifelong Sonic connection.

>> No.9990238
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>>9990205
That was uncomfortable.

>> No.9990245

>>9989686
It's arguably better without S&K to be honest

>> No.9990250

>>9989686
Nah, I got it on release day as a kid and it still felt like a complete game. I loved it. Then when S&K came out playing them combined was something amazing.

>> No.9992093
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9992093

Why does this happen when I try to emulate Sonic 3 and other Genesis games?

>> No.9992128

>>9992093
You're emulating it in RetroArch as is obvious from the file name, so delete retroarch.cfg and also the core folder (it should be Genesis Plus GX) in /retroarch/config/, and try again

>> No.9992129

>>9990012
>also, what is this new trend lately onsite where comments don't even bother linking themselves to conversations in threads they're taking part in.

it's the way some posters tell themselves they have the One True Opinion. It probably comes from poster who didn't read a single post in the thread past the OP and who just enter the thread again to read their own posts again and think
>Yeah man, this is so true. Such a good post I made.

Notice the attention whoring image: this supports both the idea that the poster thinks his opinion is The Truth to Read (the image makes it more important) and that he wants to grab the attention of people who don't really posts in threads (thus proving that he does the same thing)

t. 4chan psychologist

>> No.9992134

4chan is his entire life

>> No.9992507

>>9989686
it was fine without S&K. But I always liked 2 better. Even with S&K addon it wasn't as fun

>> No.9992528

It's the best game ever made imo
S&k was a beautiful irl dlc

>> No.9992530

Yeah, it was great by itself.

>> No.9992690

>>9989686
When it first came out, nobody knew it was basically half of a game until Sonic & Knuckles came out and let us play what was basically the "director's cut" or "extended edition" version of Sonic 3.

>> No.9992735

>>9989995
that list of removed content being
>Big Arms as S+T
>.

>> No.9993102

>>9992735
Some music tracks too like the mini-boss and Knux themes.

>> No.9993174

>>9992735
A bunch of the level design on launch base got easier / fewer enemies if you play with the lock on.
And you miss the cool S&K title screen.

>> No.9993265

>>9989686
Know what is one flaw? The games are actually very easy. The Genesis Sonic games seemed to get easier with each game. Still some really great games though.

>> No.9993707
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>>9992128
>Genesis Plus GX
PicoDrive edges it out.
>But-
Where's the 32X emulation? Thought so.

>> No.9993715

>>9989686
Sonic 3 was sold as a complete game.
It was weird that you couldn't play the main adventure as Knuckles and the final boss didn't feel spectacular enough. The sound test also had the S&K songs, and when I found them I wondered why they made so many cool songs only not to use them. On retrospect, there were hints about the game not being 'complete'.
But magazines and Ads didn't tell you about S&K being the other half of Sonic 3, at least in my country. They sold it as new a game and the selling point was that you could connect it to S2 and S3 in order to play with Knuckles.

>> No.9993721

>>9989686
Despite some nice additions (save feature, Tails carrying Sonic when flying, actually beatable bonus rounds), the game honestly felt like a step down from 2. And the fact that you never got a proper confrontation with Knuckles felt like a rip off.

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>>9993721
Let me guess, you need more

>> No.9993974

>>9990107
You don't have to keep signaling your pedophilia every time you want to post some music

>> No.9993983

>>9993974
Bad reply. Try again.

>> No.9994002

I had S3&K as a kid and also an Action Replay. I spent countless hours finding cool codes, like modifying acceleration, top speed, jump height, gravity and so on.

The 3-cartridge tower made the entire thing highly unstable, turning the Action Replay on or off could easily crash everything. I still have the codes somewhere...

>> No.9994010

>>9990194
>Only thing I'd change at that point is more mini games then just blue spheres
But there are? Or did you miss all all of the checkpoint bonus stages

>> No.9994026

>>9989686
No I didn't. 3 has enough content on its own to feel like a full game. Same with Knuckles.
If they released S&K as actual "Sonic 4" I wouldn't say anything.

Now for the story: I've absolutely fucked a chronology for myself due to playing games out of order.
I've played Knuckles way too late, that was years after playing 3 and shortly after me and my friend played SA2 (but not SA1 which I've got AFTER we played both SA2 and S&K).

To us, Sonic and Knuckles felt like a 2D callback to Adventure 2

> look, ghosts in the pyramid
> oh look, a golem boss
> oh look, Knuckles can fly
> oooooh it's like in SA2

>> No.9994035

>>9994026
> SA2 released in 2001
> S&K released in 1994

Sure, S&K felt like a 2D callback to SA2... baka

>> No.9994039

>>9994035
He said that he played games way out of order and didn't know them well enough at that point.

>> No.9994041

>>9989686
No, I rented it like everyone else.

>> No.9994048

>>9994035
We were dumb kids seeking references to our fav things in everything and
and SA2 was our first serious entry to Sonic lore, the one where we really started to get familiar with characters and world.

I've got Sonic & Knuckles cartridge in 2003. So... yeah, it felt like that.

>> No.9994051

>>9989686
>Old people here, just wondering, did you guys feel ripped off by this back in the day or was it enough with out S&K
I( did not own one People like me who were into programming or technology owned machines like atari sts and amigas, amstrads, early dos and cpm and mpm machines and 128K 8 bit memory bank swapping machines. There was very little interest in those generations of game consoles by people who were into computing and games, there had been for the 2600 and coleco and Intellivision and arcades but most of the nintendo/sega era shit was marketed and sold at kids who had affluent parents and were too dumb to use a tape or disk drive computer or ask for one. Consoles and games only really exploded when sony arrived with the PS1/2 and Microsoft getting more into games via the PC. Most of the sega/nintendo consoles were very cheap cpu, boxes that ran castrated best effort shit, the award winning games of that era played on machines with keyboards.

>> No.9994314

>>9993715
>But magazines and Ads didn't tell you about S&K being the other half of Sonic 3, at least in my country. They sold it as new a game and the selling point was that you could connect it to S2 and S3 in order to play with Knuckles.
Same, it wasn't until I started browsing 4chan as an adult I learnt that people referred to this thing as "Sonic 3 & Knuckles". To me and my friends as kids they were just different entries in the series. And Sonic 3 was always my least favourite.

>> No.9994412

>>9989686
As a Genesis kid, I was used to barebones games that felt incomplete or looked like demos, so I didn't mind

>> No.9994430

>>9992528
>irl dlc
it's called an expansion pack, you little fruit.

>> No.9994874

>>9993707
Neither PicoDrive nor Genesis Plus worked but BlastEm solved the issue.

>> No.9994878

Should 3&K have had the drop dash ability? It would have made the game even faster I think it should have had the ability. Sonic is a lot more lame compared to Tails and Knuckles without it. He needs to clearly be the fastest one of the three. The element shields and insta shield are not enough.

>> No.9994883

>>9994412
Amiga user?

>> No.9994910

>>9994874
BlastEm is more accurate than both but still has a way to go before it's better.

>> No.9995360

>>9994041
no

>> No.9995586

>>9989686
it had the better Knuckles/boss theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xkUguDsiZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBTAGVnfXAw

>> No.9995593

>>9989686
I hated ALL the Sonic games. I only played them because my uncle had them on his Genesis. Now it seems I was right because look at what the Sonic community has become. Something about it appeals to absolute fucking freaks.

>> No.9995605

>>9995593
>look at what the Sonic community has become

thats what happens when you inevitably end up on a Nintendo console.

>> No.9995624

>>9989686
I wonder why the hell Sega, after putting in a game save feature in Sonic 3, didn't even put a Password system for Sonic &Knuckles?

>> No.9995647

>>9995624
S&K is designed in mind for a more hardcore audience of Sega fans, especially with the added difficult spike. I guess they wanted to return to their roots somewhat.

>> No.9995650

>>9995605
It wasn't inevitable. Time isn't completely linear, despite what you may or may not think. Anywho, They fucked up big time on the 32X, and THEN after that, they handled and managed the Saturn in the Americas and Europe. Then that was Basically the Point of No Return.

>> No.9995672

>>9995650
>state Sonic went to shit the moment the games went over to Nintendo because it ended up shitty coomer tendy fans
>anon gets into an angry aneurism and starts attacking Sega

lmao.