/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9981690]

This game is getting revisionist history'd hard

[Anonymous No.9981702]

>>9981690
how so?

[Anonymous No.9981705]

>>9981690
Literally my favorite Castlevania and one of the best games in the system. It just filters normies and zoomers isall

[Anonymous No.9981706]

More people are actually playing it and realising it's a pretty good game for what it is.
The same is happening to a lot of what AVGN played, to be honest. He actually really fucked up a lot of retro game discourse for a while.

[Anonymous No.9981707]

was the tv show any good

[Anonymous No.9981710]

i always liked it and didn't knew it was hated until i got access to the internet.

[Anonymous No.9981715]

>>9981690
I've only heard great things about the game I thought it was universally liked until avgn dumped on it. He's shat on a few good games

[Anonymous No.9981728]

I got around to playing through it during the GameCube era and I thought it was only barely interesting enough to finish. What game are the rest of you playing? Is there a secret code you have to enter on the title screen to get the good version of the game?

[Anonymous No.9981731]

It wouldn't have gotten a sequel on the N64 if it wasn't good. On that note, I wonder if Chameleon Twist is good since the sequel is good.

It's about high time the N64 got its redemption arc.

[Anonymous No.9981734]

>>9981715
He shit on the Sega CD as well. While there is a lot of FMV trash on there, there are some really nice from the ground up developed games that showed off what the system could do. Much more than the other bottom tier systems it usually gets lumped in with (looking at you Jag and CDI).

[Anonymous No.9981737]

>>9981705
Holy shit, you have to cope and let it go already.

[Anonymous No.9981742]

>>9981731
No it’s not, the reason the games are getting revisionist histories is because the console has a meager library compared to the elephant in the room that slapped its shit, so mentally ill fans are having to
try and change the narrative around the handful of games that did exist

[Anonymous No.9981743]

>>9981706
I disagree, the camera in CV64 is indeed fucked and I myself couldn't figure out the mandragora/nitro part without googling it, granted that is like the only time the key item system fails you the whole game. It's not a horrible game, but I wouldn't recommend it over other games.
Plus, Legacy of Darkness kicks its fucking ass and basically replaced CV64 entirely. The only reason to play CV64 instead is if you really want to play CV64 over LoD.

[Anonymous No.9981783]

>>9981715
He trashed Contra Force which is a perfectly good run and gun game. He often hates a game simply because "it's not like the others in the series" which is common if also close-minded

[Anonymous No.9981823]

>>9981731
>It wouldn't have gotten a sequel on the N64 if it wasn't good
It wasn't a sequel it was an expanded version of what was largely the same game, and from my perspective it existed as an attempt to fix how bad the original is.
Has nothing to do with Castlevania on the N64 being good because I assure you it's mediocre at best.

[Anonymous No.9981830]

>>9981690
If you weren't a retard you would know that back in the 90s this game was recieved decently but with the rise of youtube and the likes of the AVGN with his poorly made video about the game, the collective thinking changed to one much more negative, now it seems things are being balanced once again.
Legacy of darkness is pretty good

[Anonymous No.9981873]

I've been wanting to play a game like it ever since it was released. The closest thing I've seen was only a prototype game from someone on itch, but it was fun for what it is.

[Anonymous No.9981913]

>>9981830
>If you weren't a retard you would know that back in the 90s this game was recieved decently
Received fine by critics but everyone I know who had tried it back then expressed disappointment. I was disappointed in it too. I've warmed up on it since then but it still isn't half as good as most people are pretending it is. Also from my perspective it had a bad reputation long before he decided to control everyone's minds with his video about it or whatever it is you're claiming the big bad AVGN did. I swear this is just as bad as Game Grumps Sonic tism.

[Anonymous No.9981973]

>>9981743
Complaining about cameras in games is such first world problems shit. I can't relate

[Anonymous No.9981983]

>>9981783
And Lester the Unlikely, which isn't bad.
He also frames whole systems like the Sega CD as nothing but crap, which they really aren't.

[Anonymous No.9981987]

>>9981913
A lot of that is too high expectations though. It's not as good as any of the 2D Castlevanias, really, but as a 3D action game from that era, it's fine. It's got some interesting ideas. It's not some dismally awful piece of shit

[Anonymous No.9981995]

>>9981983
It has Final Fight with washed out graphics and that's it. Every "enhanced" version of an IP it had was crap because nobody wanted to make much more content than a typical cartridge game had. It wouldn't make sense financially.

[Anonymous No.9982048]

>>9981995
It's got some cool shit. There's Snatcher, obviously. There's a Space Adventure Cobra adventure game.

[Anonymous No.9982268]

>after doing platforming over the water at the start
okay, I can see why people say it's bad.
>after exploring the mansion.
okay, I can see why people say it's good.
>maze-like sewer level
alright, had enough.

[Anonymous No.9982321]

>>9981830
>in the 90s this game was received decently
Does this mean anything? Any game now has been "received decently", mostly due to low-expectations making anything fly (and thus who had expectations and didn't like it don't count!).
If every game was well-received, none is.

[Anonymous No.9982436]

Looking back at the EGM reviews they are higher than I remember. I think 9.0 is a little high, 7-8 would be a more reasonable score. If the beginning of the game was better than it would be more of a classic but there are weak sections of the game that makes it just a good game with good atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.9982503]

>>9981690
I remember loving the shit out of this game as a kid, but never finished it. Think Ninty will ever release it in their n64 collection, or are Konami too Jewish? I'd love to play it comfy in my bed :3

[Anonymous No.9982538]

>>9981823
It's not really a fix but more like an attempt to fulfill the complete game. Originally "Castlevania 64" was supposed to have four characters. Schneider Belmont, Cornell Reinhardt, Carrie, and some other guy I forget the name of. They ended up dropping Cornell, made his last name Schneider's first name for some reason, and the fourth character was repurposed into the Frankenstein gardener that chases you in the villa. For LOD they brought Cornell back and made Henry into the new fourth character. But it ended up coming off weird since the game forces you to play as them before you can use Reinhardt and Carrie.

[Anonymous No.9982606]

>>9981715
>I thought it was universally liked until avgn dumped on it.
The hell? I remember hearing nothing good about even before then, and people going "lolz skeletons on motorcycles in Castlevania".

[Anonymous No.9982608]

CV64 owns, people hate it because its on the n64

[Anonymous No.9982648]

>>9981743
Best it a year or so ago and had no issues with the nitro part. Your brain is just bad.

[Anonymous No.9982649]

>>9981973
So basically what you're saying is that you think the camera is adequate because you haven't played enough games due to being poor?

[Anonymous No.9982656]

>>9981690
I watched some gameplay footage of it, it looks kind of cute to me. It doesn't really feel like Castlevania, but it looks like a good game. The money in the coffins kind of made me giggle

>>9981995
Many of them are basically like enhanced cartridge games, but that's sort of what makes it cool. It's like Genesis on steroids or something. They could've easily put some of the games on regular carts, but then you'd be missing the high quality CD audio, animated cutscenes, voice acting, and cool stuff like Sonic CD's 3D special stages. The first games on it I played aside from Sonic CD were the shmups, but there's a lot of good games on there, even if some of them are just enhanced ports.

[Anonymous No.9982693]

mid 90's
>anything 3D is seen as awesome and revolutionary while anything 2D is being dismissed

that includes Threedeevanias

mid to late 00's
>3D is seen as something that has greatly evolved so 3D from a decade ago is being dismissed; while it's now cool to like 2D again
>opinion largely supported by e-celeb, a new format that as seen as the new counter culture

that includes Threedeevanias

2020's
>20-40 years old now have nostalgia for the mid 90's 3D of their childhood/teenagehood
>while the old e-celebs have lost their steam so it's now cool to go against what they used to say; and e-celebs has a whole has gained such popularity the counter culture is now to dismiss them

that includes Threedeevanias

tl;dr There will NEVER be a time when Threedeevanias will be appreciated by the populace for what it really is just okay games

[Anonymous No.9982701]

>>9981690
nintendo bubble
half the threads on vr front page are zelda threads

[Anonymous No.9982708]

>>9982701
nintendo is the most culturally important than Sony

[Anonymous No.9982715]

>>9982701
This isn't a nintendo-specific phenomena.
Top tweet mentions DMC as a PS2 juggernaut.
It sold 2.16 million copies - less than even Croc.

[Anonymous No.9982721]

>>9982268
>puts up with a literal maze but the maze-like part is too much
huh?

[Anonymous No.9982725]

>>9982606
Exactly this, zoomers just don't know
AVGN definitely did not invent the culture of disliking Castlevania on the N64

[Anonymous No.9982741]

>>9982721
ugly dark sewer section vs broad daylight hedge-maze while being chased by leatherface.
hedge-maze was hardly a maze anyway - sections were locked and you're mostly following that kid through it.

[Anonymous No.9982745]

>>9982268
>>9982741
It's funny because the game doesn't get better after the sewer either, at least not immediately. The Mandragora puzzle in the castle center is infamous but not terribly difficult to figure out, it's the backtracky nature of the castle center that can bring things to a halt before the game picks up steam again with more combat and platforming challenges.

[Anonymous No.9982759]

>>9982745
Yeah, I think I'll stick to Maximo.
is the second n64 castlevania any better?

[Anonymous No.9982771]

This is such a weird game, I've only ever played the 2D 'vanias but the overall style feels so different to me. It feels a lot more cartoony plus the low-poly N64 style makes it look so different from SotN or Bloodlines. I still think it looks cute

[Anonymous No.9982782]

>>9982701
I can't stay mad at Nintendo fans because I also grew up with mostly Nintendo, plus they are kinda cute, that said I do what I can to try to edumacate them on SEGA and Sony games, but at this point so few of them have even played earlier Nintendo games to begin with

[Anonymous No.9982785]

>>9982782
Bizarre post. What is stopping anyone playing whatever. What weird world do you live in?

[Anonymous No.9982868]

>>9982741
you've got a stronger stomach than me, I really like C64 but the hedge maze was my least favorite part when I first played it
also agree that the waterway's a pretty bad level, one of the few places where the game asks you to jump on platforms you literally can't see

[Anonymous No.9982976]

>>9982785
Zoomers didn't grow up with the same games we did, anon. We gotta teach them about the good stuff. A good 80% of modern-day Nintendo fans are late teens or early twenties, at least one or two generations younger than us

[Anonymous No.9982986]

>>9982976
What a weird post. Where are these beliefs (i cant in good faith call them stats) coming from?

[Anonymous No.9983013]

>>9982701
>Croc 3
Rocksteady too busy making shitty anti-cape fortnite

[Anonymous No.9983089]

>>9982785
>>9982986
You posted the same thing twice

[Anonymous No.9983093]

>>9982986
Don't feel like explaining/derailing the thread any further

[Anonymous No.9983215]

>>9981690
I've always liked CV64. I replay it like once a year.

[Anonymous No.9983445]

>>9982701
Oh no people are talking about Zelda games right after a brand new Zelda game came out. How will this website ever survive?

[Anonymous No.9983570]

>>9982656
>It doesn't really feel like Castlevania
It is unironically more Castlevania than anything produced under IGA and KCE Tokyo.

[Anonymous No.9983883]

>>9982701
>nintendo bubble
You fucking retards are ridiculous, the fact that people make content over one game and not another is proof of bias to you and not just preference? The fact that one series that has had mutliple sequels and re-releases to keep it's relevance alive and one has not been anywhere for decades is a shocker to you?
You can't be this fucking retarded.
How much people remember something, how impactful, unique and how fondly is what matters, not sales numbers you idiot.
Otherwise Sims, Guitar Hero, CoD and others would have the most content form youtubers but they don't because they're not very memorable and not conducive to deep dives but you're not complaining about that are you?
You've created a retarded persecution complex and conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.9983892]

>>9981690
"revisionism" is such a dumb buzzword

[Anonymous No.9983897]

You are now sweating manually.

[Anonymous No.9983898]

>>9981690
If you're talking about Castlevania: Sodomy Edition on netflix then it's your own fault for giving a shit.

[Anonymous No.9983906]

>>9983897
Easily my favorite part in the entire game

[Anonymous No.9983924]

>>9982715
DMC had 2 sequels within the next 4 years though. It was a legitimate emerging franchise and it shared market space with the Capcom survival horror fandom. It had good sales numbers for an M rated game that parents don't buy for kids and of course, DMC ended up with a much bigger merch sales footprint than Croc or Banjo ever did.

[Anonymous No.9983937]

>>9983924
And DMC lost all momentum with it's sequel, it's not till 3 that it get good will back but it came out the same year the 360 did, then 4 came out, then shit the bed with the western title that actively mocked fans of the series.
You are just delusional.

[Anonymous No.9983970]

>>9983898
I'm not.

[Anonymous No.9983974]

>>9983897
Real actual hand sweat

[Anonymous No.9983981]

>>9982701
>ff7 releases
>sells a measly 10 million units, utter waste of plastic with ZERO relevancy
>GOAT wii fit releases
>sells a whopping 43.8 mil, blasting fANAL CUNTasy SHITven numbers out of the water
fitbros are always on top

[Anonymous No.9984018]

>>9983897
gorgeous level but holy fuck some of those jumps had razor-thin margins for error

[Anonymous No.9984050]

>>9983937
Look up Devil May Cry under the shopping tab in Google and tell me the franchise didn't have a cultural impact.

[Anonymous No.9984183]

>>9984050
Look, I gave you a play by play about the series and why it's not as popular, I don't care that there is a tag on google.
You can say it's more important than it's given credit for but if the content is not there, that simply speaks for a lack of interest.
No one is stopping any person that wants to make content for it in any way. Make some yourself if you think there is an untapped market for it and benefit from it.

[Anonymous No.9984198]

>>9984183
How the fuck do you expect a M rated game to sell as many copies as Nintoddler shovelware on a child's toy that every baby boomer parent bought for their kids? Whatever short lasting gimmick it has does not make it a powerhouse property. Hollywood investors wanted a Resident Evil movie before anyone over 25 knew what Resident Evil was.

Nintendo Youtubers really do live in a developmentally stunted bubble like adult fans of Mickey Mouse do.

[Anonymous No.9984217]

>>9984198
>Nintoddler shovelware
There we go, finally you show your true colors. You just are triggered by the fact that nintendo and nintendo associated things are popular and no fact or truth will stop your demented, autistic ways.
>why do people like things I don't! that makes me angry!

[Anonymous No.9984239]

>>9984217
>Mario is BACK with WAGGLE! Now here's a new party game with the characters! Sorry it's not as good as the 2 anchor games we sold you.

[Anonymous No.9984252]

>>9981706
>>9981715
James is kinda biased against the 5th gen and early 3d, he's just more of a 2D guy as someone who grew up with the NES and SNES. Like most 2d fags on this board he sees it as the uncanny valley between the latter 2d games in the 4th gen and the 6th gen which was modern when he started making AVGN episodes. Even in his non-avgn vids you can tell he has a lot more fun talking about the PS2, Gamecube and Dreamcast.

Anyway, Castlevania 64 was a decent game, specially for it's time. You just have to remember how recent and unpolished third person action games like these were before the sixth gen to truly realize what people saw in it back in the day.

[Anonymous No.9984580]

>>9983924
All three DMCs put together had less sales than the two Banjo games.
Not sure what "for an M-rated game" has to do with it considering GTA: San Andreas was the highest selling game of that era.

[Anonymous No.9984635]

>>9984580
GTA was a modern cultural phenomenon, same with CoD. Non-gamers bought consoles just to play those games. Most M rated games don't sell to parents buying gifts for kids.

[Anonymous No.9984670]

>>9981690
I always liked this game. I played it a lot as a kid so I chalked it up to nostalgia, but going back to it it's still quite nice.

[Anonymous No.9984739]

>>9984635
MGS1 sold more than all 3 DMCs. RE1 comes close.
Both were M-rated essentially new IPs on a console that sold less than the PS2.

[Anonymous No.9984769]

>>9983892
Well OP ear cover in diarrhea

[Anonymous No.9984781]

>>9981710
Same. I loved so many games back in the day that I later found out were "traaaaash" by sweaty neckbeards. The merchant was a super memorable character from me, and I loved the fact that the more you spent with him raised the chances of him fighting you later. Made me feel so dirty and betrayed as a kid, haha. Once you get to the mansion, this game becomes pure kino.

Also, barking giant skeleton.

[Anonymous No.9984878]

>>9984252
>James
James hasn't been writing anything for AVGN in a very long time. Even at the beginning the episodes were mostly written by Mike. The Majora's Mask episode was clearly written by someone at Screenwave who has a massive hateboner for it. Even if you don't personally like it, it's nowhere close to being a bad game in the leagues of Superman 64 or something like that.

[Anonymous No.9984903]

>>9982649
I mean, I think it's adequate because I grew up in the 90's, and these were things you just kind of dealt with.
You can have a fun game with kind of a shit camera. You just learn to deal with it.
I don't even think the camera is that bad. It's a forced complaint.

[Anonymous No.9984905]

>>9981706
Honestly I could write a fucking essay on this but I'll try to keep it not insanely tl;dr. I think the entire culture behind gaming discourse has changed a lot, the "angry reviewer" shtick was basically every single game reviewer for years which was indirectly due to James. The only difference is James was playing a character and a lot of these old Youtube fucks like Yahtzee and Angry Joe and Nostalgia Critic were not and actually were just that angry.

But nowadays that type of shtick is generally considered insufferable and nearly all of the old figures have comparable detractor bases to fanbases because of it.
But I also think theres a new type of insufferable content where some guy with a horrible speaking voice will talk for 2 hours straight about a game presenting his snarky contrarian opinion, and that often involves taking a lot of these old punching bag games and saying they were actually good.
My point here is none of this has anything to do with public opinion when the game actually came out. Castlevania 64 got very average reviews and reception when the series before that game did a lot better than that, so yeah it makes sense some people enjoy it while other people hated it. Its not objectively bad just flawed.

[Anonymous No.9984954]

>>9984905
>Yahtzee
He was the proto smug video essayist. The one redeeming thing about him was that he knew no one wanted to listen to that shit for more than a minute. Decent gimmick, should have stopped back in 2009.
>Angry Joe and the rest of Chanel Awesome
They were shills who thought their shitty YouTube videos would springboard them into the industry. When it became clear that wasn't happening they turned on Doug and destroyed his site out of spite. Just awful people in general.
>Back to CV64
Yeah I never got to play it when it was new and it was one of those games with anime character on the box the activated my autism as a kid. Played it recently, didn't care for it, guess I just prefer the 2D games.

[Anonymous No.9985010]

>>9983892
You're a massive retard

[Anonymous No.9985125]

>>9984670
I played it for the first time last month and I really like it, honestly like it better than a lot of 2D Castlevanias, shockingly

[Anonymous No.9985243]

>>9984954
>it was one of those games with anime character on the box
?

[Anonymous No.9985245]

>>9985243
And this is the Pal version.
>>9984954
Are you sure you're not thinking about another game?

[Anonymous No.9985309]

>>9985245
Yeah, my bad, must have been Symphony of the Night.

[Anonymous No.9985386]

>>9981731
>It wouldn't have gotten a sequel on the N64 if it wasn't good.
It wasn't a sequel. It was a rerelease with some extra content that attempted to fix the flaws of the original.