Zelda 2

[Anonymous No.9967921]

This game is fuckin kick-ass why do people despise it so much

[Anonymous No.9967928]

no one despises it zoomie.

[Anonymous No.9967936]

>>9967921
It's funny how on /vr/ there's more negativity towards OoT than this game.
Both are good games, but Zelda II is better.

[Anonymous No.9967953]

people hate different, even when it's fun.
then again, most people are idiots.

[Anonymous No.9967964]

I still remember the first time I played it and thought how different it was compared to the first. The battle system and the random towns, but the one that stuck out to me the most was when I finally got to the end and Ganon said some weird stuff (I think the game was glitching). Tried to finish the fight, but it wouldn’t let me get past a certain part that I had to fend off Ganon from drilling’s Link’s asshole.

[Anonymous No.9967995]

>>9967921
Most people who play it, do it because they are fans of other zelda games. This game is just too different from any other game in the series. Also very inaccessible, you can play almost any other zelda game and it's fairly easy to get into. But this game has a pretty harsh difficulty and its hard to figure out what to do if you go in blind without a guide. Decent game if you give it a chance though

[Anonymous No.9968012]

It was the second Zelda game. That means that when it came out, there were only two Zelda games. People really liked the first Zelda game, and they wanted more like that. Zelda II was not like the first Zelda, and people were upset about this fact. As time passed, and other games like the original Zelda came out, people went back and judged Zelda II on its own merits, and they realized it was in fact a good game.
People under 35 shouldn't be allowed on this board.

[Anonymous No.9968015]

The people who create these threads are always false flagging to try and gaslight people into thinking that this game has an actual fanbase. It doesn't. It's objectively not even an actual Zelda game.

[Anonymous No.9968018]

i was getting tired of it by the end

[Anonymous No.9968029]

>>9967928
zoom zoom, zoomer!

>>9967921
It's not immediately obvious at first how to play. You come across darknuts pretty fast, and they definitely make you think it's a "attack under/over the shield" kind of combat system, but for some reason it absolutely isnt.
Once you learn to attack them in the head, the game becomes so much more playable and reasonable.
I doubt the common opinion is "it's bad cause it's different", but it's difference means it's harder to learn.
>>9968012
kys

[Anonymous No.9968035]

>>9967921
Filtered by high difficulty. I prefer a challenging game that strains your reflexes over a cryptic game you need a guide for like Zelda 1 though.

[Anonymous No.9968043]

I honestly unironically think it's the graphics that puts people off. It looks so non-Nintendo. If this was redone with proper graphics and a better translations it would not really have any flaws.

[Anonymous No.9968064]

>>9967921
I don't hate it, but find it subpar. It's not a bad platformer. But Zelda I is a SUPERB top-down adventurevania. honestly II is not even excellent when it comes to platformers. If you compare it to other platformers, even of the era, it's, well, forgettable. It's ironically only notable due to being alright despite the rep.

[Anonymous No.9968073]

>>9968043
>It looks so non-Nintendo.
Have you ever played NES games? It's the same pixel style as Icarus/Metroid/Mario 1. You are dumb and also gay.

[Anonymous No.9968110]

>>9967921
I wonder how different the ending scene in FDS ZELDA 2 is from the US and EU cartridge releases, besides the sound quality and the Japanese version having the final dungeon, like every preceding one. Like, do Link and the recently reawakened 1000s of years old princess kiss without any curtain dropping down?

[Anonymous No.9968115]

>>9967964
wtf are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.9968118]

>>9968110
It's literally the same exact ending, curtain drop and all.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/fds/a/zelda2.htm

[Anonymous No.9968381]

>>9967921
It's simple.
I don't like random encounters.
I don't like input-reading enemies.
And I don't like number-go-up games.

[Anonymous No.9968482]

>>9967921
Because a youtube eceleb told them to. That's literally the only reason.

It's one of the best-selling NES games of all time, there was never any "controversy" around it for being different. Experimentally different sequels as literally the STYLE at the time. Hell, Megaman got more cruft for being too much the same between games.

[Anonymous No.9968578]

>>9967921
Literally my single favorite game on the NES, one I've replayed the most, and a profound influence on my career. There are few games that are as tightly well-designed as Zelda II.

[Anonymous No.9968708]

>>9968115
he's talking about the ganon asshole drill glitch, d'oh. look it up.

[Anonymous No.9968717]

>>9968482
pretty much this. I was a kid at the time and it was a beloved classic. The general vibe was that people didn't quite like it as much as the first one but it was a long shot from being considered a failed sequel or anything.

[Anonymous No.9968732]

>>9967936
I feel the negativity reflects the narrower appeal of these games. I found Oot kiddy and unimpressive in graphics and gameplay but I was older than the target audience. Probably would have loved it if I was 10 though.

[Anonymous No.9968735]

Zelda II as an adventure game:
>linear progression
>tacked on exp system
>traversing the overworld is tedious
>3/8 spells are counterintuitive and only really serve to solve a puzzle or two
Already a step down from Zelda I, but it really falls apart as an action game
>your sword is a fucking toothpick
>uninspired level design and platforming, with a good chunk of the game just being long corridors broken by the occasional enemy you need to stop and fight
>medusa heads, rats, and similar enemies often serve no other purpose than to distract from the utter tedium
>a lot of other enemy types are just obnoxious
>it's better to just run past most late-game enemies
>>9968015
This sounds retarded but at the same time I wouldn't put Zelda fans past it. They threw a fit when TP got an 8.8, imagine the absolute malding when people say one of their mainline entries is actually bad?

[Anonymous No.9968747]

>>9968035
Was it worth telling everyone that you are less intelligent than the average tween, just for a you?

[Anonymous No.9968756]

never played it, but some e-celeb probably said it was bad, so all the smooth-brains jumped on board. happens all the time.

[Anonymous No.9968760]

>>9968482
>>9968756
Which e-celeb said that Zelda II was bad? I can't think of any.

[Anonymous No.9968763]

>>9968756
Why not try it and form your own opinion? (I mean this in a polite way). There isn't much to lose, you may like it although odds are probably against this, and you can make a more meaningful contribution to this farce of a bait thread

[Anonymous No.9968770]

Nobody complained that it was "different" at the time, it was a best seller and critically acclaimed, and mixing action game and RPG games this way was still a novel concept of the time.

While there *were* action RPGs before, like Xanadu, they were RPG at hearts but with action elements. Zelda II was the contrary, it's more of an action-adventure game but with RPG elements thrown in. This wasn't really done before this way and people greatly underestimate the influence this game had on the Zelda series (for instance first Zelda with towns and roaming NPCs) and on the industry (from direct Zelda 2 clones, to A-RPGs, to any other genre mixing in RPG elements).

[Anonymous No.9968772]

>>9967921
i loved it
i think a remake of the first nes game with changed maps would have been lame as fuck
it would have been received like the lost levels mario disk

i still havent beat zelda2 but when i repurchased the cart from my childhood
the memories briefly returned:
trading pokemon cards for games
crashing my bike
waking up before everyone and playing with the volume down low

[Anonymous No.9968773]

>>9968770
It also feels like, in a way Zelda II's inclusion of RPG mechanics influenced SotN/Metroidvania.

[Anonymous No.9968795]

>>9968770
>Zelda 2 was the first action game with rpg elements
Not a platformer, but otherwise fits the description and predates Z2 by some margin

[Anonymous No.9968798]

>>9968795
Don't try and argue with Zeldafags. They think every advancement in gaming was a result of their series, and any example you offer to the contrary will be handwaved away.

[Anonymous No.9968810]

>>9968798
Ok thanks, won't bother then.

Also I will have to satisfy just myself that Faxanadu, released later that year, is comprehensively superior as an action game with rpg elements in every respect. Y'know, just deep down inside.

[Anonymous No.9968813]

>>9968795
It doesn't really have any RPG elements though

[Anonymous No.9968816]

>>9968813
>DND game
>no RPG elements
Ok genius if you want to be pedantic Z2 doesn't really either

[Anonymous No.9968824]

>>9968816
Cloudy Mountain is D&D in name only. Zelda II at least has an experience system and the option to level up your health, attack or magic. Sure, it's not as complex as a proper RPG (tabletop or otherwise), but it's at least something.

[Anonymous No.9968835]

>>9968824
CM has an overworld map, dungeon exploring and an overaching quest, among other elements. These are nominally RPG like in the same way that Z2's level and skill advancement system is again nominally RPG like.

And CM was first.

[Anonymous No.9968845]

>>9968795
>>9968835
These have nothing to do with the elements I was referring to in Zelda 2. If anything, it would be a precursor to the first Zelda.

[Anonymous No.9968879]

>>9968845
Waiting for an actual argument but I can see you are beginning to thrash so here's your concession:

>>9968012 this is insightful. Nintendo was right to try something different and came up with just that. And it was playable, but only superficially RPG like.

It had more rpg like elements than CM, which was closer to Z1, sure. That in no way nullifies my original argument. And you'd fool only yourself to call either an RPG or deny either has some of these elements. So my point stands.

>>9968735 back on topic: this cant be discounted, particularly in light of far better offerings of similar design like Faxanadu. Had Nintendo been more motivated to make an impressive game rather than a passable one, perhaps it would be more universally liked

[Anonymous No.9968895]

>>9968879
I was talking about adding RPG elements like random encounters and experience, levels, spells, visible stats, etc to an action game, and then you presented a game that has none of these things.

After pointing out that it's completely unrelated (not like I was arguing Zelda 2 was the first adventure game, in which case pointing ADND would make sense...), you claim that I have "no argument" and that I'm "thrashing"....
There is nothing anyone could do or say in a position like this, you misunderstand things and when that is pointed out you tell yourself the other party is mad.

[Anonymous No.9969135]

>>9968012
>people were upset about this fact
They were not.

[Anonymous No.9969512]

>>9968798
OMG HES RIGHT
>>9968895
>this=thrashing
Anon this is getting sad. Accept Z2 is not an RPG like the rest of the world, or are you going to add more irrelevant goal posts?

[Anonymous No.9969525]

>>9969512
Every Zelda game is an RPG, always has been.

[Anonymous No.9969537]

>>9969525
If you think that any game where you go on a quest to save the world and explore dungeons is an RPG, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term "RPG" means.

[Anonymous No.9969538]

>>9969135
this game was universally hated by everyone. it still is, but the usual contrarians pretend to love it because its le hard. the only reason it sold well was the zelda name. tons of shit tier nes games sold well despite being loathed immediately

[Anonymous No.9969542]

>>9969538
>this game was universally hated by everyone
Yea, I'd like a source for that. Sure, the game is somewhat controversial, but it is still accepted by most people as a good game.

[Anonymous No.9969625]

>>9969537
This. Helpful reading for simpletons: rpgmuseum.fandom.com/wiki/Traditional_role-playing_game#:~:text=A%20traditional%20or%20mainstream%20role,for%20comparison%20rather%20than%20classification.

>>9969525
Nice bait anon, the other guy actually believes it though. One play of an actual RPG would dispel this ignorance for the most stubborn of fools.

It would also be clear that >>9968795 is no more or less legitimate RPG, just the elements themselves are different e.g random generation of dungeons vs Z2s encounters, item collection to progress e.g finding the boat, resource management, storytelling via animal tracks, noises and fog of war which was pretty good for the generation of hardware and point in vidya history. That cover it for you >>9968895?

[Anonymous No.9969646]

>>9969537
>>9969625
Everyone believes it, because we've always considered Zelda an RPG.

[Anonymous No.9969659]

>>9967921
>>9969646
Your answer at last OP. It isn't the mediocrity of the game that people hate. It is the insufferable mediocrity of the average fan

[Anonymous No.9969725]

In the course of my career as a vidcon specialist (my own coinage, spend it wisely), I have never seen such blatant and frankly sickening ignorance as that exhibited by the "people" (if, in fact, they are homo sapiens at all, as their intelligence implies elsewise) that claim that Zelda is not an RPG. There is nothing that Shigeru "Shiggy" Miyamoto could possibly do to make the vidcon any more of an RPG as it meets every single criterion for being one, particularly that it takes place in an imaginary realm with a fantastical beastiary, the damsel villain ratio is at or above standards, and that the core emphasis of the gameplay is on bedazzling all foes with impeccable swords and sorcery. Furthermore, this line of thought can be extended to all vidcons in which the player controls a character (hence, roleplaying), though I cringe slightly at the thought of such mundane vidcons as Madden being RPGs, as they do not even include exotic weaponry such as the tonfa.

[Anonymous No.9969728]

>>9968482
>>9968756
>Muh Jewtubers
Spoken like true xoomers. Most kikenoogers shills zelda jew like its the second coming of chirst.
>>9968029
>Reddit spacing
>Its shit on purpose.
Zogda 2? Buck broken by ludo no cap. Kino waker. And scholar princess.

[Anonymous No.9969870]

>>9967921
Because as good as it is, the fact remains that it's also difficult.

[Anonymous No.9969896]

>>9968012
>Zelda II was not like the first Zelda, and people were upset about this fact.
This is a lie^

[Anonymous No.9969913]

>>9969896
how is this a lie? many cool and well-researched bloggers and youtubers frequently complain about Zelda II. clearly, they're upset it's not like zelda I, so indeed some people are upset about it. it can only then be truthful?

[Anonymous No.9970010]

>>9967921
I think it's okay. Big points for the music, but I'm not a fan of how it can take forever to get back to where you were if you die and I remember despising working through death mountain.

[Anonymous No.9970264]

>>9967921
"Despise" is too strong, I just don't like it. There are things that I think are excellent in Zelda 2, I think the combat is fun, the spells add a bit of risk and meter management to it instead of just giving you direct, permanent upgrades like in the original, and I really enjoyed the music.

What I didn't like is how compromised exploration felt, something I thought Zelda 1 did extremely well and is ultimately what I think defines a great Zelda experience. The labyrinth level design from the first game doesn't translate well to a 2D action game, and the game is already extremely unforgiving and this makes the dungeons much more difficult than they need to be. After a while, it just becomes optimal to avoid enemy encounters because the reward never justifies the risk. I guess this is why the leveling system exists, so those dead ends don't feel like a complete waste, but a new player isn't going to survive long enough to reach those later levels so they'll end up having to grind out their stats to level 8. Puzzle largely amount to trial and error level design or using a spell like jump or fairy, randomized enemy behavior is as annoying as it was in Zelda 1, and that final boss was just not good.

[Anonymous No.9970491]

>>9969728
this is a bait

[Anonymous No.9970668]

>>9969913
>many cool and well-researched bloggers and youtubers frequently complain about Zelda II
You just proved my point. Back in 1988, everyone loved it, fact.

[Anonymous No.9970685]

>>9970264
>What I didn't like is how compromised exploration felt, something I thought Zelda 1 did extremely well and is ultimately what I think defines a great Zelda experience. The labyrinth level design from the first game doesn't translate well to a 2D action game, and the game is already extremely unforgiving and this makes the dungeons much more difficult than they need to be. After a while, it just becomes optimal to avoid enemy encounters because the reward never justifies the risk. I guess this is why the leveling system exists, so those dead ends don't feel like a complete waste, but a new player isn't going to survive long enough to reach those later levels so they'll end up having to grind out their stats to level 8. Puzzle largely amount to trial and error level design or using a spell like jump or fairy, randomized enemy behavior is as annoying as it was in Zelda 1, and that final boss was just not good.
That's a ton of words that say: "I never got good."

Protip: To beat the knights/lizards/other strong as fuck fuckers in the game the easy way, you need to jump at them at a downwards angle while holding attack.

[Anonymous No.9970762]

>>9969725
> Minimal randomness
> minimal storytelling
> no party
> no classes
> no coop play
> no scenario generation
> plenty more where this came from
Z2 is a CRPG at best. Different animal.

You seem to be underage or ignorant about what an RPG is. The answers are out there and even itt. This would make for wilful ignorance if you are not in fact too young to be posting here. Good news is, you will fit right in with the rest of your anti intellectual crowd.

[Anonymous No.9970774]

>>9970685
You know what a pro tip actually is? Here's one you: the anon you are replying to said something intelligent and you should try doing the same

[Anonymous No.9970776]

>>9970685
You know what a pro tip actually is? Here's one for you: the anon you are replying to said something intelligent and you should try doing the same

[Anonymous No.9970996]

>>9968012
As a kid born in the 80s, I remember Zelda II being very, very popular with adults. For some reason oil field dads really loved it. Kids never really cared that much.

[Anonymous No.9971059]

>>9968747
Dude Zelda 1's not even hard it's just obtuse because you're expected to just waste bombs and shit like a retard to figure out where you need to go to progress and artificially inflate the game's length.

[Anonymous No.9971217]

>>9971059
>implying you cant deduce likely bombable walls from the map layout

[Anonymous No.9971284]

>>9968578
How did it influence your career anon? Are you a cartographer?

[Anonymous No.9971287]

>>9968732
>I found Oot kiddy
How is a game with a torture chamber kiddy?

[Anonymous No.9971426]

>>9970685
Hey, thanks for the tip, I got one of my own: please read the posts you respond to.

I said the combat was one of the things I liked about the game. You think I didn't explore my options when I was actually fighting enemies? I'm not surprised, the lives system discourages that kind of gameplay. My issue was that enemies were unpredictable and health pickups don't exist. The rare magic drop is rarely enough to pay for a heal spell, and even if it was, I would rather save it and whatever health I make it to the end with, for the boss encounter. Thanks for ignoring the other issues too, I didn't realize being "good" at the game fixed the level design, crap overworld gameplay, and nonfunctional final boss.

[Anonymous No.9971451]

>>9971059
You didn't play the game. There's plenty of rooms in Zelda 1 that will absolutely melt your health if you make a mistake. There's plenty of enemy types that take off 4 hearts with one hit.

[Anonymous No.9971480]

>>9967921
They scratch different itches. Ocarina is an atmosphere-centric game. Zelda 2 is a gameplay-centric game.
I know it’s considered a popular hipster/contrarian opinion now, but Zelda 2 has been my favorite in the series for a very long time because there’s no long-winded cutscenes and you don’t have to sit through an intro to play the game (also true for Zelda 1) and while there are puzzles, it’s far and away the most combat-focused Zelda. Yes, jump-crouch-stabbing or whatever it’s called eliminates a lot of the challenge, but it still feels the most engaging to me. You have to intelligently manage your spacing with enemies, most bosses can be quickly defeated if you’re skilled and know what you’re doing, but they can just as quickly kill you as opposed to later games where the boss fights become “hit the boss, wait for 90 seconds while he throws out easily avoidable attacks before he becomes vulnerable again, and repeat”. It’s just much more satisfying to play.
Zelda 1 has a lot of these in its favor too, but I never did enjoy it as much. I don’t have a good reason why, though.

[Anonymous No.9971489]

>>9969538
>8th best selling NES game
>universally hated
roru roru rumao

[Anonymous No.9971702]

>>9970762
>madlad replied to the pasta
kek. lmao, even.

[Anonymous No.9971717]

>>9971451
This. On top of the random movement you really have to have twitch reflexes in a few dungeons or you're gonna have a bad time. I don't think half the people who say they love LoZ have ever actually played it. Even just doing the beach loop for ruppees can getcha in a tough spot if you're not paying attention.

[P. Sevenleaf No.9971770]

>>9969538
>this game was universally hated by everyone
No it wasn't.

>>9968482
>Because a youtube eceleb told them to. That's literally the only reason.
I always wonder how many Zelda 2 anti-fans haven't even played it, and in fact, only hate it because they're confusing it with Castlevania 2 (which they also haven't played)

[Anonymous No.9971774]

>>9967921
The very first Pleb Filter.

[Anonymous No.9971842]

>>9967921
Z2 is amazing, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.9971848]

>>9967921
>die in the game
>game tries to kill you IRL
fuck old games that have pointless flashing strobe lights

[Anonymous No.9971863]

>>9967921
Not sure if people despise it, but just like BotW, it doesn't feel like a Zelda game. It's a pretty good game though.

[Anonymous No.9972125]

>>9971426
Maybe someday you'll git gud.

[Anonymous No.9972132]

>>9970776
Their entire post was cope over not gitting gud.
And my advice works.
The funny part is knowing that many of you are intimidated by Zelda II.

[Anonymous No.9972134]

It was literally one of the best selling games in 1987

[Anonymous No.9972139]

>>9972134
Everyone liked it. Kids in school who hated me loved it. Friends loved it. It was noticed as "not total trash" by parents and grandparents alike too.

[Anonymous No.9972162]

>>9971848
NANANANNANANANANANANNA

[Anonymous No.9972204]

It sucks

>>9968035
If Zelda 1 needs a guide Zelda 2 definitely does its just as cryptic. Zelda 1 was also fairly difficult near the end but it followed an even difficulty curve like a game should, Zelda 2 90% of it is piss easy and then it kicks you in the balls with Death Mountain and then the rest of the game is also easy until the end. Its difficult but its because its unforgiving and unbalanced.

[Anonymous No.9972426]

>>9972125
I didn't like your favorite game, get over it.

[Anonymous No.9972658]

>>9967921
Biggest filter on the console

[Anonymous No.9972660]

>>9972426
Maybe someday you'll get good at it and stop coming into these threads.

[Anonymous No.9972906]

>>9968073
>You are dumb and also gay.
But not trans so you are still good in my books.

[Anonymous No.9972932]

>>9968735
Sorry chud you aren't allowed to criticise NES games, the holy cow of /vr/, lest you be a ZOOMER! Don't you dare mention
>all eight or so magic upgrades hidden throughout hyrule are needed for the penultimate boss, which is really cryptic
>all dungeons rook same
>the "deep le dark souls" combat of the game is figuring out to jump and press attack whilst falling and any enemy falls apart to this
Early NES games are all trash

[Anonymous No.9972961]

>>9970685
Fucking fag response.

[Anonymous No.9973729]

>>9969538
Why must you turn /vr/ into a house of lies?

[Anonymous No.9973821]

>>9972961
My response was mature and helpful, whereas you literally replied "Fucking fag response."
Yes, it was, from you.

[Anonymous No.9973869]

>>9972204
How isbit cryptic? How is the first one, even? You just play them. Maybe some of the dungeon entrances in the first, but nothing in the second is cryptic.

[Anonymous No.9973875]

>>9972932
>all eight or so magic upgrades hidden throughout hyrule are needed for the penultimate boss, which is really cryptic
this is always the biggest tell that defenders of this piece of shit give themselves away with. they shriek at how this game is perfectly beatable blind, yet they dont even realize this is a requirement because they spent the last 30 years coomlecting them without even knowing this fact. they never played the game blind, but they demand that you are supposed to

[Anonymous No.9973880]

>>9971059
Look at the map. The rooms that can be bombed into are fairly obvious. Compare the inaccessible rooms to the rooms where you have been. I know it was harder when I was younger, but I'm not saying you are young, just maybe inexperienced. Last time I played a few months ago I couldn't believe how easy the labyrinths were compared to when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.9973889]

>>9969525
Action adventure.

[Anonymous No.9973906]

>>9969538
I was there. You were not. Very few games were hated because the few of us who liked games were happy to play whatever we could get. You have no frame of reference and your failure to understand life at the time is proof that you have no clue what you are talking about.
Criticize things according to the time they existed and the technology that was available, not the time you have existed. You can't do that though because you weren't there and you have no shame in what a fool you look like to everyone who was there.

[Anonymous No.9973937]

>>9973906
>I was there. You were not. Very few games were hated because the few of us who liked games were happy to play whatever we could get. You have no frame of reference and your failure to understand life at the time is proof that you have no clue what you are talking about.
>Criticize things according to the time they existed and the technology that was available, not the time you have existed. You can't do that though because you weren't there and you have no shame in what a fool you look like to everyone who was there.
THIS^

When I was in middle school, those who played video games were definitely in the minority and we rarely complained mostly because if we did the other options were to literally take a hike, bike ride, read a book, get into trouble; etc. And if you found a game that you didn't like much, you didn't obsess over it, you just played the other games. But no one. Not one person talked trash on the two Zelda games back then. It just didn't happen.
I had a friend who wasn't always such a good friend, he even bullied me for a time, well be asked to borrow my Zelda games and I let him without a second thought. He gave those games back in perfect fuckin shape two to three weeks later.
That was the world back then.

[Anonymous No.9973940]

>>9973937
*he asked

[Anonymous No.9974026]

>i played this game on an emulator because the eceleb I follow religiously to get my opinions did it!

[Anonymous No.9974095]

[Anonymous No.9974125]

>>9968760
AVGN

[Anonymous No.9974254]

>>9974125
AVGN's video:
>Really, this is a bad game? I thought it was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.9974306]

>>9974125
Mike wrote that review, and Zelda 1 and 2 are his favorite games.

[Anonymous No.9974314]

>>9974306
>and Zelda 1 and 2 are his favorite games.
His favorite video game is Kaboom, anon.

[Anonymous No.9975029]

zelda2sisters... our response?

[Anonymous No.9975146]

>>9973937
You nailed it. This is what it was like. And we got Nintendo Power, not to beat games, but because it was a cheaper way to experience them than buying them.

[Anonymous No.9975162]

>>9975029
They cheated for sure.

[Anonymous No.9975164]

>>9975146
>And we got Nintendo Power, not to beat games, but because it was a cheaper way to experience them than buying them.
Exactly right. Zoomers today laugh and claim that we just bought random shit and got fucked left and right, but it just didn't happen. We knew what was good.

[Anonymous No.9975180]

>>9967921
You know, I'm suprised they never tried to remake it considering that Miyamoto considers it a failure due "technical limitations". Considering how Metroidvanias are big sellers nowadays they could try a remake in that vein.
I do know there's a ZClassic top-down remake, but I've never played it.

[Anonymous No.9975182]

>>9975162
>>9975029
Yeah it's a zoomer who used savestates and rewinds

[Anonymous No.9975185]

>>9975180
If they remade it they'd nerf it for sure because of all the whiners. They have no understanding that its difficulty is what makes it a superb game-it's only as hard as you let it be.
After playing through the literal tenth time it's very doable to get the hammer first without losing any lives for shit n' giggles. Then you'll move on to key collecting and then finally item shunning, thus aiming to beat the game with the least help.
But once challenge I won't be doing any time soon or ever: going through the game without upgrading the sword. No thanks, the dentist's office would be better.

[Anonymous No.9975191]

>>9975182
I went through Zelda II cheating with rewinds one time and felt empty afterwards. It is satisfying in the moment to tell the game to eat shit, but once you beat it...you realize you didn't. Not doing that again.

[Anonymous No.9975216]

>>9968115
must be talking about one of those zelda CDI games

[Anonymous No.9975229]

>>9975185
I think it would benefit from having more weapons, offensive spells or a regular exp system. But yeah, a nerf is a given, especially in the current times.

[Anonymous No.9975392]

>>9973906
As someone who got into gameing late in the NES lifecycle I can tell you there were no shortage of games and everyone hated Zelda 2.

[Anonymous No.9975405]

>>9975185
>If they remade it they'd nerf it for sure because of all the whiners
Imagine if you will, a Zelda 2.. and enemies drop health when defeated.

[Anonymous No.9975408]

THIS GAME, SUCKS FUCKIN MONKEY COCK
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FUCKS ON /vr/ FIND THIS GAME EVEN SLIGHTLY PALETTEABLE?

[Anonymous No.9975412]

>>9975408
Because it's fun. That guy you posted even made a video saying it was good.

[Anonymous No.9975416]

>>9975412
YEAH, IT'S GOOD, AS GOOD AS TRYING TO SHOVE MY DICK INTO A CHEERIO.

[Anonymous No.9975428]

>>9971848
haha it's his PENIS

[Anonymous No.9975512]

>>9971848
lol eat shit epilepty

[Anonymous No.9975612]

>>9972932
Oh bullSHIT you lazy victim-playing cunt. You don't "criticize" games, you stamp your feet and whine that you didn't have any fun and do everything in your power to try to make the people who did "pay" for it. There is absolutely nothing valid or genuine about your criticisms. "Hurr durr Zelda 1 is bad cause dungeons look similar". Really? That's your sick strategy for those sweet contrarian "I think different, I'm special" points? Oh yeah, thank god all of us deluded millions of fans of suddenly been cured by this incredible enlightened individual who is the first to pull back the curtain and reveal the shocking truth "akshully game bad". Then you cry big phony crocodile tears when you get called on it like you're doing now, "oh I guess I can't have opinions huh". Have a little more respect for 4chan[nel], cunt. You aren't anything special, we've been here longer than a week and we can tell a lazy disingenuous shitposter when we smell one.

[Anonymous No.9975638]

>>9972932
1987 isn't "early NES", in 1987 mappers had become standard practice, it was the second phase of the console.

You don't know anything.
And that's exactly the reason why Zelda 2 is such a heated debate, because due to the Zelda name people these days play it but without any knowledge on old games (they may think they know retro games because they played some PSX games which was a decade after) or the context.

Things like having to find MP increasing items (iirc you don't even need them all like you claim but I could remember wrong), is what people at the time loved and expected of adventure games. Claiming "it's bad because it doesn't tell me where it is!" is looking at the game through 2023 glasses.

If you want to play a game from 87 you need to be able to take a step back from your current days expectation and be able to adopt the mentality of the period to some extent, if you're unable to do that, don't play it, nobody cares for your gamer creds because "you suffered from Zelda 2 with savestates and rewind"

[Anonymous No.9975747]

>>9975405
>and enemies drop health when defeated.
They basically do if you have the life spell and some magic that enemies drop.

[Anonymous No.9975751]

>>9975392
>As someone who got into gameing late in the NES lifecycle
>everyone hated Zelda 2.
Yes, zoomers all hate Zelda II. There's a Roman numeral, but since you've never booted it up you didn't know.

[Anonymous No.9975791]

>>9973875
>"the game is unplayable because I didn't grow up playing it!"
That's the literal, objective criticism this zoomer gives for stamping his feet every time a NES thread comes up. THIS is the reason for all his incessant, bitter tears. "The games are too hard for me, and therefore INTOLERABLY bad, because I can't beat a game that you boomers beat when you were 8."

And you get upset when you get called out as "zoomers"? Your post has just singlehandedly proven to me that your ilk will never, ever have a worthwhile opinion on a video game that can be taken seriously. You've pretty much just sentenced all zoomers to the pantsing they deserve.

[Anonymous No.9975801]

>>9975791
I can't believe that they think finding all the magic jars is some impossible task.
Imagine them using power tools or driving a car.

[Anonymous No.9976321]

>>9975751
>heh, well...you used the WRONG numerals so your argument is invalid
the state of zelda 2 fans

[Anonymous No.9976362]

>>9968029
>it's not immediately obvious how to play
maybe if you have down-syndrome. and those jumping lows you're talking about is how to cheese the game, but combat design. either way, not hard to figure out.

[Anonymous No.9976373]

>>9973875
>hidden
what, there is a wise man in every town. the first one's daughter tells you. it's always people that need help, and tell you what they need. I'll give you the getting on the roof one, but even that wasn't well hidden.

[Anonymous No.9976440]

>>9975162
>they
go back.

[Anonymous No.9976448]

>>9967921
Because I suck at the game

[Anonymous No.9976661]

>>9975791
>>9975801
>>9976373
>apologists who have never experienced playing the game blind but lambast anyone who does and (rightfully) criticizes it

[Anonymous No.9976789]

>>9967921
When it first came out, there was only Zelda 1 to compare it to. It was such a visual and mechanical shift from the first one, I think fans of Zelda 1 reacted badly to it.

[Anonymous No.9976850]

>>9972467
>>9975910

>>9974116
>>9976169

>>9976647
>>9975830

>>9976519
>>9973725

>>9973667
>>9971545

>>9973380
>>9973548
>>9973156
>>9974418

[Anonymous No.9976860]

>>9976661
I did play it blind, sorry kid. unlike your faggot as I never look things up.

[Anonymous No.9976862]

>>9976661
Nice strawman, anon. You can't fool me or anyone here into believing that these whiners played it blind. You and they have had every opportunity to git gud, but you won't because you lack the skills. You lack the skills because you cheat.

[Anonymous No.9976873]

It's a great game, with some flaws. The real issue is that it's attached to an extremely casual fanbase that will never like it.

[Anonymous No.9976882]

>>9976860
>>9976862
36 years of lying about this video game. this is mental illness

[Anonymous No.9976886]

>>9968029
>they definitely make you think it's a "attack under/over the shield" kind of combat system, but for some reason it absolutely isnt
It absolutely is and it's way more fun that way if you git good

[Anonymous No.9976895]

>>9976882
Yes you need to stop.

[Anonymous No.9976904]

i dont know whats more embarrassing, the people pretending that gating being able to damage the penultimate boss behind that retarded spell is in any way shape or form okay, or the people pretending that jump stabbing is "deep combat"

[Anonymous No.9976923]

>>9976904
>wahhh I can't beat the boss!
>I can't just shut up and let better players enjoy it!

[Anonymous No.9977000]

>>9976882
damn, close guess. but no, I'm not lying. imagine being such a pussy you need to cheat in video games.

[Anonymous No.9977485]

>>9976904
No other game does that?

[Anonymous No.9977489]

>>9976789
We didn't. It was different and felt more difficult. That was all. Zelda was my favorite game at the time and there was never a moment where I was disappointed in not getting more of the same. I loved both games and they were some of the few titles I owned.

[Anonymous No.9977495]

>>9975392
>everyone hated
Did you call everyone long distance to survey?

[Anonymous No.9978029]

>>9971287
Ask the Peter Pan main character or one of the many capering faggot npcs. Actually no need there is an age rating on the box. And you seem to like it, of course.

[Anonymous No.9978036]

>>9972132
>IQ = room temp. In Celsius.
No it wasn't. No it doesn't. And no, we aren't.
You're out anon.

[Anonymous No.9978309]

>>9978036
Still haven't gotten good, I see.

[Anonymous No.9978436]

>This town is dead

*turns console off*

NOPE

[Anonymous No.9978456]

>>9978436
haha

[Anonymous No.9978474]

>>9976661
>I reject reality and replace my own
You understand that everyone has a blind playthrough when they first play, right? Right??

[Anonymous No.9978521]

>>9978474
ah yes all the anons who t-totally beat this game blind when they were 5 t-totally didnt look things up in nintendo power

[Anonymous No.9978549]

>>9978521
>compares looking up tips in Nintendo Power to rewinding and save states
lol

[Anonymous No.9978668]

>>9978549
yes, because the discussion here has been primarily focused on needlessly obtuse aspects of the game, not the gameplay itself

[Anonymous No.9978679]

>>9978668
You're so angry and trying too hard to sound intelligent.

[Anonymous No.9978691]

>>9978679
>you used the word "obtuse" therefore you are...le pseudointellectual >:)

[Anonymous No.9978701]

>>9978691
You got upset he told you to get good with no regard for what he intended to communicate. Did you ever consider that losing and dying is a part of learning the game and shouldn't be avoided?

[Anonymous No.9979096]

>>9978309
If you insist Anon

>>9978521
This meme about Zelda II being hard is utter horeshit

[Anonymous No.9979161]

>>9979096
>it's too hard!
>it's not hard guize
Low grade troll.

[Anonymous No.9979165]

AVGN caused this!!!!

[Anonymous No.9979185]

>>9978691
>obtuse = intellectual
I found this hilarious. Then remembered where we are

[Anonymous No.9979187]

>>9979161
> no u
Nothing about this is trolling
I'm replying to 2 now tho

[Anonymous No.9979196]

>>9968732
I was exactly 10 when OoT first came out and I loved it the first time I played it

[Anonymous No.9979303]

People don't really hate it now and didn't when it came out, but you guys are memory holing yourselves if you don't remember the period in the mid 2000's where all of the ootbabs talked about Zelda 2 like it was the ET game
They were retarded, but this was absolutely a thing

[Anonymous No.9979330]

>>9979303
>two guys trashed it over ten years ago
>that means most people hated it for a time guyz

[Anonymous No.9979359]

>>9979330
you can see this in the user reviews from websites that were popular around that time man, it's not that crazy. go compare gamefaqs/etc reviews between zelda 1 and 2 and notice how 2 is consistently rated lower by like 10 points on a 100 scale.
it was just retards getting filtered but it doesnt mean it didn't happen

[Anonymous No.9979378]

>>9979359
>and notice how 2 is consistently rated lower by like 10 points on a 100 scale.
Do you ever wonder how many of those are by doofuses that have never played either and just want to vote for the safe in thing pretending to be real old school by claiming the original is superior, when in this case it clearly isn't?

>it was just retards getting filtered but it doesnt mean it didn't happen
That's fair. I think we might agree that the contemporary fandom of video games is all that matters, not what some tryhards said on a hobby they pretended to like.

[Anonymous No.9979381]

>>9979378
>contemporary fandom of video games
*of the time

/sorry

[Anonymous No.9979425]

Ys and Crystalis were better Zelda games than Zelda 1 and 2 and I'm tired of pretending otherwise

[Anonymous No.9980978]

>>9978668
>obtuse
Can zoomers stop memeing this word? Buy a thesaurus. Change it up now and then.

[Anonymous No.9982658]

>>9967921
yes and see links hat? see the incredible details? I see.

[Anonymous No.9982679]

>>9982658
>yes and see links hat? see the incredible details? I see.
yes this is where many begin to understand

[Anonymous No.9982682]

>>9982658
I see a lot of personality in it, how it droops down, making it look more realistically worn out.

[Anonymous No.9982694]

>>9982682
>I see a lot of personality in it, how it droops down, making it look more realistically worn out.
That's just the first layer of meaning, look deeper. Even at the beginning Nintendo was traversing time and demonstrating it. These details are not random.

[Anonymous No.9982705]

>>9968018
Ya good name, but it bores me. Sorry

Rather play something slightly less slow

[Anonymous No.9982781]

>>9967921
I dunno but I love that fucking game!

[Anonymous No.9982783]

>>9978941

[Anonymous No.9982787]

>>9967921
I think it would be kinda neat if you could do a down quarter circle input to do a dodge roll.

[Anonymous No.9983895]

>>9968772
hope you fixed your bike, bro