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There must be a Karnov thread, it's been over a month. The arcade version must be discussed. Enemies must be named. Japanese printed material must be located.

I used to dream about the enemies from this game, nightmarish landscapes populated by these mummies and chicken men. Who else is with me? I have yet to locate an arcade version but you die in one hit. Crazy ruthless.

Any Karnov discussion will do. My brother beat it, I did not. The last thread there was a lot of negativity about some sort of YouTube video that made Karnov recently popular. Is there in fact a hot new Karnov video?

>> No.996661

Does anyone know anything about Karnov's other Data East appearances? He had his own Karnov's Revenge fighting game, and was a boss in whatever SNK-run fighter that was a sequel to. Also of course, the fire-breathing madman boss who helped to kidnap President Ronnie in Bad Dudes. Were there any others?

>> No.996664

There was no shield power-up in the arcade version, it was some sort of "trolley"(?) that mowed over all the enemies instead.

>> No.996667

>>996659
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ENEMIES

Lion Keeper

Appears with a lion who shoots out from its mouth. If you kill the lion, the
Keeper will attack you by throwing knives.

Chiken Bone
Lies in wait for Karnov at the top of a tree, then swoops down upon him
suddenly.

Snake Woman
This strange creature will attack with increasing strength when Karnov fights
back.

Rock Man
Karnov will need to power-up with Options to defeat this enemy, which
threatens him with large boulders.

Gidora
Karnov will need a Shield to defend himself against this two-handed monster,
which shoots out from both of its mouths.

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Here's the overlay, unused.

>> No.996746

>>996659
See Chief Arino shred Karnov and vote to get that episode translated here.

http://strawpoll.me/337196

>> No.996794

The Famicom ending looks crazy. What sort of Shinto Pagan Christian Muslim stuff is this?

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/a/karj.htm

Karnov in the arcade cut scenes seems like a jubilant drunken treasurrnhunter

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996816

>>996667

Damn those evil Rock Men.

>> No.996818

They would boulder you up. The weirdest enemies were the ones that only showed up if you lingered or strayed. Like the Arab swordsmen with minuteman hats or the floating Dhalsim Yoda dudes.

>> No.996842

I called the bats dingbats

>> No.996859

>>996794
Yeah, the NES version has a completely different story from the original arcade version.

>> No.996896

>>996659
I've never played this, but I've read about it. I'll rectify that this weekend. My only familiarity with him is his Academy award winning-turn as a gametoken eating, cheap as hell boss in Bad Dudes. If you didn't have the nunchucks, you were in for a world of hurt.

>> No.997165

>>996896
Sometimes I go through level 2 of Bad Dudes without dying, sometimes I crap out on the first screen. I'm worse at Karnov for arcade, though.

Looked up Karnov 1CC on YouTube expecting to see a Tool-Assisted master shred the game. He did, but still died several times. Made me respect the awesome power of Karnov even more.

Also, arcade = Namco; console = Data East. How did Karnov become a Data East character?

>> No.997184

>>997165
I always thought he was Data East's mascot character. Bad Dudes is a Data East (arcade and console) IP.

>> No.997194
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>>997184
I skimmed over a wiki article and some stuff at the Arcade Flyer Archive. Data East handled their own arcade release and the NES port; Namco published the Famicom (Japan) console port.

>> No.997196

>>997184
He more or less is Data Easts's mascot. When someone says "Data East", the first characters that come into most peoples' minds are Karnov, Chelnov, and Makoto Mizuguchi form Fighter's History.

>> No.997505

The arcade also had the cool map, the Famicom version might have also. This was a big part of the game that I had to get from the manual, the crazy Black Sea / Caspian Sea / Babylon / Turkey sort of deal from the setting. It was unique and good though.

>> No.997509

>>997196
What's the deal with Chelnov? I saw that Arino challenged that game and that it's also Data East. Is that Karnov's futuristic cyborg brother?

>> No.997770
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997770

This is one of the choices for the next VR-GCCX sub. Make sure to vote.

http://strawpoll.me/337196

>> No.997783

>>997509
Data East claimed that Chelnov was related to Karnov, but that was really just ass-covering since he was obviously named after Chernobyl. Anyway, Chelnov is another game that had its story completely rewritten. The original arcade game was about a coal miner who was trapped in an exploding nuclear plant and gained superpowers from the radiation. Considering that the Chernbyl disaster was still recent at that time and the game's name was obviously in reference to it, it caused some controversy. So when it was later ported to the Genesis the story was rewritten to be about a guy using a powered suit invented by his scientist father.

>> No.997790

>>997783
Is there a place to look at documentation that came with arcade games? Or do these stories come from the in-game cutscenes and promotional flyers? Going to look up some tech specs on Karnov and Chelnov arcade versions.

Possible that Chelnov was Karnov from the "Bad Ending", made mortal and doomed to walk the earth forever as a humble laborer?

>> No.997797

The first thing I notice is that the code for both Karnov and Chelnov comes from karnov.c, which I take to be the Karnov engine in itself.

Both run at 256 × 240, but at a perfect 60.000 Hz making them good for vsync-free (low lag) emulation.

Are the enemies in Chelnov as weird as Karnov? I remember the big arms/hands but not much else from the Chief. Karnov looks like it has way bigger sprites...was "Atomic Runner" faster?

>> No.997806

>>997790
In Chelnov's case, it's the in-game cutscenes. The game starts out with a comic-style slideshow describing the plot I mentioned in the last post, along with some heroic-sounding music.

>> No.998441

It's a forgone conclusion, no translation of Karnov will be forthcoming. We were defeated by the powerful Vice: Project Doom. There may be some time left, it's just discouraging to know that the game won't be translated by the team if it doesn't win this one arbitrary vote.

Just be aware, you've marked yourselves. The retro community is out there. Anyone who is into Vice: Project Doom best watch your back.

>> No.998501

A lot of Data East's games, including the NES port of Karnov, were ported by a company called "Sakata SAS". Who were these people, were they a sister company to Data East, considering they did ports for other Data East games, whether they were DECO IPs or games they published.

>> No.998553

>>998501
Sounds like NOBODY who did the programming for Ninja Gaiden...made up name so no one could snatch talent.

>> No.998565

>>998553
That's another thing. Back then, no one knew the people behind the games, especially the programmers. Nowadays, the people who just come up with the ideas, like Kojima or Sakurai, are treated like celebrities, despite doing very little programming themselves. What's with this celebrity mentality?

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>>998565

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>> No.998725

>>997196
were these games popular in europe or something?
when I think of Data East I think of Bad Dudes, Burger Time, and pinball games

>> No.998729

>>998565
>Nowadays, the people who just come up with the ideas, like Kojima or Sakurai, are treated like celebrities, despite doing very little programming themselves.
that's some spectacular talking out of your ass you are doing there, it's always been like that in japan.

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>>998565
>Back then, no one knew the people behind the games, especially the programmers.
> Nowadays, the people who just come up with the ideas, like Kojima or Sakurai, are treated like celebrities, despite doing very little programming themselves.

>> No.998750 [DELETED] 

>>996746
which translation group is this poll for?

>> No.998760

>>996794
what the hell

>> No.998775

>>996746
I don't know... I think Karnov wouldn't be a a very interesting watch as the NES/Famicom version is actually a pretty easy game... Arino is at his best when he's at his worst... I'm going to go for Vice project doom I think.

>> No.998782

>>998721
subtle

>> No.998795

>>998725
Karnov is the first boss from Bad Dudes

>> No.998798

>>998775
Shut up dude, I'm sure your interests are oh-so-pure at heart.

Arino beats Vice in less time than Karnov. It's all in black and white in print media and even Wikipedia. You lose, find another phony point to try to convince people to vote your way.

Karnov is the better game.

>> No.999529

>>998798
calm down or go away
your ridiculous over the top anger is only acceptable in /v/ or /b/

>> No.999530

>>998795
yes, but I don't think of the game he is in when I think of data east

>> No.999651

>>999529
Baby wants his bottle...someone's mad that his point about Arino struggling with Vice was proven to be completely made up and an attempt to sway voting. Maybe you'd better get back to /v/ or /b/

>> No.1000794

>>999530
Data East screams Karnov though. When I think of Bad Dudes I think of Karnov and remember nothing past level 1 other than the boring scrolling trucks that say DATA EAST on them.

>> No.1002549

Karnov takes the lead

>> No.1002550

>>1002549
A high quality raw was found. That probably helped.

>> No.1002565

>>996794
>Karnov the God of War

Nice ripoff Sony.

>> No.1003458

So apparently the rights to Karnov are owned by a company that has worked on some of Nintendo's games in the past.
Karnov for smash bros

>> No.1003469

>>1003458
Is that why Arino is always challenging Data East games? They went out of business right when the show started filming.

>> No.1003501
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1003501

BALLOOOOOOOOON

>> No.1003704

Karnov the winner >>1003694

Looking forward to hearing Arino make corny comments about the corny enemies.

Chelnov: "Ah! He dies like a dork."

>> No.1003728

I only play the NES version and I believe I still have it somewhere if my brother didn't grab it while moving out.

Was one of my favorite games but I don't recall completing it.

>> No.1003862

>>1003728
If you're my brother you did beat it and I have it right here.

>> No.1003881
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1003881

It's probably half nostalgia, but I think the graphics generally look nicer on the NES than the arcade version. The arcade game uses more colors than the 3-color sprites on the NES, but somehow I think the artist was less talented. It reminds me of certain computer games in the '90s that were pretty, but kind of badly drawn.

Big exception: That thing on the left. Good god, what a muddled Rorschach of pixels.

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>>996659
Karnov helped Ninjas kidnap the president and killed Lee Diendou's father.

He is no hero.

>> No.1003893

>>1003890
Karnov was only trying to end Reagan's reign. He is a true American hero.

>> No.1003904

>>1003890
Oh god, what is wrong with his right hand. It's just a gaping maw of flesh!

>> No.1006403

Bumping because I live Karnov, too.
Loved hearing his theme in the boss music in Bad Dudes.

>> No.1006508

>>997196
well for me it's joe & mac

>> No.1006524

>>1003881
I always felt that was Zeus

>> No.1009214

>>1003890
He's an edgy bald anti-hero.