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[I fucking love it No.9949181]

played through the story two times in a row. Fuck all of you for saying iT iS tOo LiNeAr its perfect.

[Anonymous No.9949257]

it's the zelda 2 of metroid. the game is really good, but the people focus on the differences like a bad thing.
that being said, the game progession is welded more tightly together than samus' cloaca, and the devs managed to contain the player to exactly where they wanted them to be, with absolutely zero sequence breaking as far as i am aware.

[Anonymous No.9949260]

The game's good, but the trends it started for all subsequent 2D Metroids are lame.
>Restricted walljumps
>Locking the player into areas instead of having more """realistic""" setpieces where if you're clever you can find an alternative exit (Super Metroid)
>Having an NPC literally instruct Samus where to go
>Removing that sense of isolation when it feels more like you're being ordered than an explorer
etc

[I fucking love it No.9949263]

>>9949260
Still have to play super. Fusion was my first metroid game

[Anonymous No.9949426]

Based OP
It also has the best horror in the series.

[Anonymous No.9949575]

>>9949263
you are in for a blast then, snes metroid is really good

[Anonymous No.9949581]

>>9949263
>>9949575
oh, and after you complete super, go and play zero mission (you will feel like home)

[Anonymous No.9949585]

Fusion's got some sick as fuck boss battles.

[Anonymous No.9949601]

it is too linear but that doesnt mean it isnt a good game. super metroid and metroid prime are way better.

[Anonymous No.9949625]

>>9949260
It's a good game because all the things it changed in Metroid, not despite of it. Adam is based.

[Anonymous No.9949710]

>>9949181
My only complaint about this game is literally the computer telling you were to go, otherwise he would block you to explore the game for yourself, like a typical, classical Metroid. That's dumbing down the series and casual tier, literally catering to babies and YouTubers/Streamers in terms of difficulty.

That being said, everything else about the game is amazing. Not my favorite Metroid, but a game i really enjoyed, not to mention.... THAT. FUCKING. SONG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71rO7G8CuCc

One of the greatest, most tense Metroid Boss fight theme ever.

[Anonymous No.9949727]

Second favorite Metroid game, probably my favorite.
Primefags don't know what they're missing.

[Anonymous No.9949742]

I kind of remember Samus talking with someone else but most of my memories of this game are cool Metroid action and some really awesome and challenging boss fights.
If people complain about stuff it's probably nitpicks and trying hard to fit in.

[Anonymous No.9949751]

>>9949181
>Fuck all of you
Anon, Fusion is constantly listed on Best GBA Games lists and praised every time it's posted here, if you wanted to make a Fusion thread you can do it without being a fucking spaz.

[Anonymous No.9949764]

the problem i had with fusion is not its linearity explicitly. fusion has these moments in its level design where it feels very much like you cant progress further, but you obviously need to because you literally cant go anywhere else. so you need to do weird shit like bomb a tile on the ground for a platform to raise, or shoot at ceiling blocks to make them disintegrate. its able to get away with weird unintuitive shit like this because, otherwise, you would think you're not supposed to go that way and try your luck elsewhere. its not nearly as intuitive as it is in super metroid (which has similar moments but has a clever way of demonstrating that you are indeed intended to be there with save station placement and not being able to go back the way you came.

in that sense the linearity is really a necessary byproduct of its level design which isn't as smart as it was in super. otherwise exploring that space station would have a lot of dead-ends and even when you think you would be on wrong path you actually would be because you missed some dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.9949789]

>>9949181
Fusion is the second best Metroid after Prime 2. Anyone that thinks Zero Mission is good has issues.

[Anonymous No.9949845]

>>9949426
the horror is great, but i love how freaky metroid 2 is when the metroids you are hunting pop out at you

[Anonymous No.9949852]

>>9949710
>watching the Nightmare slowly noclip through the floor to come try and kill you after lurking in the background for so long.
fucking stellar.

[Anonymous No.9949885]

>>9949181
my only real complaints with the game are more shortcomings. the SA-X is underused for how much of it is a focus in story material, the omega metroid is a meh final confrontation, and the game doesn't really do anything that interesting with the fusion concept besides as a way to absorb boss abilities.

[Anonymous No.9949887]

>>9949885
*credit where it is due for the X subzero adaption, forget about that.

[Anonymous No.9949893]

>>9949181
one specific issue I have with the game is that as result of streamlining super missiles to be a passive upgrade the game lacks a second order upgrade to collect and keep you interested late game. extra powerbombs have always basically just been a utility QOL feature and there's only a handful of E tanks that aren't placed as mandatory unavoidable upgrades.

[Anonymous No.9949897]

>>9949181
>only get the ice beam for 10 seconds, at the very end
>perfect

[Anonymous No.9949946]

>>9949897
ice beam + 5 missiles is canonically the way to kill metroids. it's what makes the SA-X deadly (if you forgive its dogshit programming) because you are weak against it.
there is no reason to have it until the end game.
moreover, without a way to switch it off, every enemy now takes 2 hits instead of 1. i turn it off in Super unless i need it to climb a shaft or i need to hit a boss extra hard. the GBA games don't allow you to disable powerups, so this is the way to make it not annoying.
also, you get the ice missiles for some time anyway.

[Anonymous No.9949967]

>>9949181
I freaking loved it but I also used save-states. I remember it being hard

Zero Mission I always lose interest 30 minutes in

[Anonymous No.9950041]

>>9949967
>fusion
>hard
how scrubby are you, zoomer?

[Anonymous No.9950048]

>>9950041
for the series it's pretty tough though needing savestates for it is a lol.

[Anonymous No.9950098]

>>9949967
>needing to use save states
There are tough segments, but it really doesn't get any harder than the post Yakuza SA-X encounter, and even then there's a save station right in the reactor, so you don't need save states.
Just learn to ice missile that fucker.

[Anonymous No.9950105]

>>9950041
>>9950048
>>9950098
Fusion fanboys are cringe like Dark Souls fans
Good to know

[Anonymous No.9950119]

>>9950105
>"You were filtered"
>"Y-you're cringe"
Feel free to stop playing Metroid.

[Anonymous No.9950142]

>>9949263
i replay super metroid to self-speedrun 100% items like three or four times a year, nothing comes close
fusion and zero mission are really good when you're removed from super, but if you get accustomed to super, the others feel restrictive

[Anonymous No.9950172]

>>9949710
I dont even like the criticism about Adam telling you where to go because every fucking time he does you are blocked in some way and you gota explore to find an alternate route. Its literally every time, your still doing samus-y stuff but its a more concentrated form. How do people not get that? This is still a portable game after all and has portable sensibilities with its game design.

[Anonymous No.9950331]

>>9950142
Based, SM is my favorite game and one of the few I play over and over, even after years of playing, the first time I memorized a 100% item order for time was a fun challenge.

I will admit, Fusion is the only Metroid other than Other M I've never touched. It was up next on my list but I decided to play through Primes 1 and 2 again first :/

[Anonymous No.9950337]

>>9950142
try doing any%. 100% gets old after a while. the game is more challenging when you aren't overpowered. phantoon has fucked me up and given me a game over many times.

[Anonymous No.9950713]

>>9949585
How hard was spider? I got filtered pretty badly before coming back to finish the job. And then the next ultimate test. Getting out of that pit. took an hour..kek

[Anonymous No.9950729]

>>9950713
Yakuza kicked my ass as a kid but nowadays I can reliably juggle him after his legs get blown off and he starts somersaulting around.
It never stops being satisfying.

[Anonymous No.9950734]

>>9950713
I figured out an easy way to beat the spider boss the second time I played him. just stand one tile from the left edge

[I fucking love it No.9950850]

>>9949426
>>9949751
Shut up, /vr/ told me in every thread to fucking skip it cause ots too linear

[I fucking love it No.9950891]

>>9949575
>>9949845
Should i play am2r aswell? I think the dmg controls might feel too outdated? On the gba it didnt feel that bad, but the gba wasnt made in 1989

[Anonymous No.9950894]

>>9950337
i have, i just enjoy 100% to make sure i don't forget item locations

i can't do early red tower climb even then, but otherwise i think the route is as close to the ideal 100% route as i can do

i watch oats, zeni, etc though, even if i'm not any good myself i love super metroid's intricacies enough that i'm way down that rabbit hole

still learning little tricks like alcatraz escape and getting kraid quick kill consistently, there's just so much technicality to super that it never gets old

if i find more free time i'll try for the early phantoon route variations again just for fun per your suggestion

[Anonymous No.9950896]

>>9949181
it is too linear, especially for a series loved for being more open
that doesn't mean it's not good
SAX is great
Adam isn't

[Anonymous No.9950901]

>>9949263
it'll be hard to get used to the annoying missile controls in super, bit otherwise it's an amazing game

[Anonymous No.9951008]

I love Metroid and Samus!

[Anonymous No.9951034]

>>9950891
I love AM2R but original Metroid 2 is very playable and worthwhile

[I fucking love it No.9951265]

>>9951034
Okok i have a gbc, probably best to play it on that...welp if the cartridge isnt too expensive

[Anonymous No.9951872]

>>9950713
As a kid he kicked my ass, but now I don't have much trouble.
The SA-X encounter afterwards is pretty tough though, but that's about the climax of the difficulty.

[Anonymous No.9951887]

>>9950901
The controls in super are very good because they allow complete freedom to do whatever while aiming at any angle. The same can't be said of any other metroid game. As a result the controls are harder to master but once you do, super metroid gives the most freedom for precise movement. People saying super metroid has "bad" controls are wrong and simply don't want to spend any effort at getting good at it.

[Anonymous No.9952358]

Its a compromised experience for portables. Still good but a major downgrade from super.

[Anonymous No.9952369]

>>9949181
It is too linear, but it's still great

[Anonymous No.9952390]

>>9949260
Pretty much, Fusion did those changes for good reason and made good use out of all those changes but the other games that followed those design choices did not do the same

[Anonymous No.9952391]

>>9950891
am2r is almost as good as a nintendo project and definitely should be kept in mind
it misses the claustophobia of the GB version but improves it in all other ways
don't play the official nintendo remake (samus returns) until you've hit a content drought, it has a large number of aspects that make it very different from other metroid games, think of it as a alternate universe metroid that doesn't have the same fantasy

[Anonymous No.9952567]

>>9949260
My thoughts exactly. Metroid II already did that bullshit where you couldn't explore as you wanted but Fusion took it to an extreme that I very, very strongly disliked.

[Anonymous No.9952568]

>>9949181
Why is hard mode only for japan?

[Anonymous No.9952581]

>>9950891
I wish there was a way to play it on android. : (

I have it on my windows machine, but I want a version of it OTG so I can play it on the train ride to work or whatever.

[Anonymous No.9952584]

>>9951887
>People saying super metroid has "bad" controls are wrong and simply don't want to spend any effort at getting good at it.
I've been playing SM since its original release and never thought the controls were bad. Always felt great and responsive.

[Anonymous No.9952617]

>>9950048
it is absolutely not. I have the original game on GBA and beat it no sweat. I ask again:
how scrubby are you, zoomer?

[Anonymous No.9952828]

>>9952568
The Gaijin is too weak for it.

[Anonymous No.9953205]

I already love the game, but without the navigation room lockouts and longass briefings it would be even better. The fusion of story and gameplay elements is done really well and it has loads of cool original designs (suits, enemies, bosses).
After that, Zero Mission was actually disappointing because so much stuff is recycled directly from Super and the original content is kinda shitty (big worm, big bee, coomer suit sneaking section).

>>9950891
AM2R is pretty solid as a whole. I don't like the M2 style of "search & destroy until next area opens" (not to mention all the spiderballing) but the final boss fight is really fucking good, that alone makes it worth playing through.

[Anonymous No.9953248]

>>9952358
thats the other thing people forget. it was designed to be picked up and played and then forgotten about.

[Anonymous No.9953375]

>>9951887
I thought Fusion improved on the controls by having the one shoulder button for aiming and using the other for missiles. I can see how having the two aiming buttons would give you more freedom but I always felt uncomfortable cycling through missiles, power bombs and grapple. It's entirely possible I was filtered by low dexterity score

[Anonymous No.9953437]

>>9953375
>I was filtered by low dexterity score
yes sorry

[Anonymous No.9955391]

>>9949181
>Fuck all of you for saying iT iS tOo LiNeAr its perfect.

Well, it is pretty linear. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think Metroid II and this were made more linear to fit with the handheld formula. It's still a great game. But not one of my personal favorites.

[Anonymous No.9955397]

>>9949181
Replayed it about three years ago, enjoyed it a lot. Felt like the linearity played to certain strengths where layouts would change after getting an ability, and I thought that was pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.9955418]

>>9949257
There is a sequence break in the Water area which leads to a special developer cutscene congratulating the player for pulling it off.

[Anonymous No.9955598]

>>9955418
it's not a sequence break if you get a secret message. i've pulled it off before just to do it though.

[Anonymous No.9956063]

>>9951887
super's issues are partly due to the snes controller not having a second row of shoulder buttons, the awkwardness of all 3 run jump attack instead of just 2 in one diagonal would be solved by that. the way weapon selection works could have been made much more efficient with combination buttons instead of having to cycle through the entire list.

[Anonymous No.9956084]

>>9951887
best post on /vr/

[Anonymous No.9958065]

Imagine sex with SA-X

[Anonymous No.9959862]

>>9958065
YES

[Anonymous No.9960027]

>>9949181
I was surprised it was much harder than Zero Mission, Samus feels more vulnerable

[Anonymous No.9961848]

METROID 4

[Anonymous No.9961852]

>>9961848
Feels good to say

[Anonymous No.9961892]

>>9949181
I replay it regularly and my only major gripe is not being able to skip all the Adam dialogue. It's novel on a first playthrough but just feels like a pace breaker on replays.

[Anonymous No.9961898]

For me, it's Metroid Prime Pinball.