Ok, I've beaten it

[Anonymous No.9933097]

Am I NOW allowed to say it's just not that fun or worthwhile as a game and Nintendo didn't follow up on it for a reason?

[Anonymous No.9933127]

>>9933097
now play Battle of Olympus

[Anonymous No.9933130]

>>9933097
You prob. used cheats so no.

[Anonymous No.9933132]

>>9933097
But they did follow it up.

[Anonymous No.9933189]

>>9933097
>You saved Hyrule and you're a real Hero!
>I know right, I got zero fear ho!

[Anonymous No.9933192]

>>9933097
No, because you're still demonstrating in your very post that you're a resentful, bitter, angry miserable zoomer troll child trying to "get revenge" on people for having fun.
>waaah i'm the victim here, i didn't like it, i just want to shit myself like a retard, why aren't people ALLOWING me to be a moron? m-my rights!

[Anonymous No.9933212]

>>9933192
zoom zoom, zoomer.
>>9933097
I guess but it's not very constructive. You're totally allowed to not like thing, but you're practically just saying "I dont like thing". What did you not like about it?
Some of the flaws are bullshit secrets like finding the waterman, or secret town of ruto. Combat isnt immediately intuitive (attacking above the shields seems unintended).
If you dont manage your xp properly, you can get fucked and be underleveled for great palace.
All those flaws aside, I enjoy the game.

[Anonymous No.9933289]

The typical braindead zoomer "there is no game like Zelda 2 for a reason" meme.

Not only did it spawn a wave of direct clones, it was the first critically acclaimed and best selling game to mix RPG elements with an action genre, giving everyone else ideas. All your modern games that add RPG elements to literally everything needlessly? They all can be traced back to Zelda 2.

[Anonymous No.9933296]

You were allowed to before then. It's not the opinion I have, but you do you, boo.

t. beat it at 6 or 7 years old or so (after flinging the controller across the fucking room a few times, I'm sure)

[Anonymous No.9933302]

>>9933127
Much easier, just more tedious. Having to grind snakes for money and skins is no fucking fun.

[Anonymous No.9933305]

Remember to report these threads are trolling/spam.

[Anonymous No.9933339]

>>9933305
>Remember to whine away disruptions in your echo chamber

[Anonymous No.9933341]

>>9933097
>not that fun or worthwhile as a game
You just hate-played a game.
Congrats, you have a lot of free time, I guess.
>Nintendo didn't follow up on it for a reason?
Wut?

[Anonymous No.9933415]

>>9933341
It amounts to barely a handful of gameplay hours back to back anon. If your ability to give the benefit of the doubt to a new experience doesn't hold out that long, it's more than likely you have missed out on many worthwhile surprises in life.

Then again, that open mind can also get you Zelda II'd kek

[Anonymous No.9933434]

>>9933341
These sections in Link's Awakening were NOTHING like Zelda II.
They are more like Mario but with a sword and low jump height.

[Anonymous No.9933439]

>>9933192
Ha ha holy shit I've never seen so much projection in one post. I especially love that bit at the end crying about people asserting their right to express ideas you don't like.
Seethe.
Cope.
Die.

[Anonymous No.9933451]

>>9933097
I wonder if the Japanese version of Zelda 2 let's you see Link and Zelda touch lips

[Anonymous No.9933609]

>>9933451
Is that even the same Zelda from the first game? I vaguely remember something about her being a different character from an earlier generation in a stasis-sleep or something

[Anonymous No.9933627]

>>9933341
Those sections are closer to Zelda 1 than Zelda 2 imo. And they're also insanely brief. I'd argue less than 5% of the game is like that.
Also, that game's amazing.

[Anonymous No.9933652]

>>9933609
It's an ancestor of the Zelda from the first game, who for some reason doesn't appear in the game at all, yet Link IS the same guy from the first game.

[Anonymous No.9933737]

>>9933439
you write like you're a bot

[Anonymous No.9933914]

>>9933097
>Ok, I've beaten it
>emulatorfag
No, you didn't
You used save states like the little subhuman yoh are

[Anonymous No.9933923]

>>9933737
beep boop
gargle my hairy misshapen nuts
Go ahead and tell us which part of the game filtered you. Where was it you had to load save states over and over?

[Anonymous No.9933969]

>>9933097
You can express whatever opinion you like, nobody on here has the power to stop you from doing so.

[Anonymous No.9934082]

>>9933097
Did you actually beat it or just brute force your way through with save states. Be honest anon.

[Anonymous No.9934087]

>>9933097
ok what games do you like

[Anonymous No.9934089]

so i herd...

[Anonymous No.9934109]

>>9933289
>it was the first critically acclaimed and best selling game to mix RPG elements with an action genre

[Anonymous No.9934113]

>>9933097
If you used savestates you did not beat the game.

[Anonymous No.9934130]

>>9934113
Zelda 2 is an incredibly rewarding game to play, not only is there a constant feeling of progression through seeing Link get stronger through learning new sword moves and magic; there's also a very real feeling feeling of progression for you, the player, through mastering controlling link and developing strategies to be able to breeze through enemies and temples that felt incredibly difficult to beat.
Playing with save states completely ruins that experience. I can somewhat forgive save states that just make more "convenient" check points. Like making one at the final boss of Ninja Gaiden 1. It's not something that I would do but sure you did at the very least "beat" the game. But brute forcing through no you didn't beat the game.

[Anonymous No.9935083]

>>9933097
I feel you buddy. I played through the entire thing a year ago just so that I could say I'd done it and never have to touch it again. Trash game. Now I'm doing the same thing with Half-Life. Fuck my life.

[Anonymous No.9935232]

>>9933097
>didn't follow up on it

[Anonymous No.9935249]

>>9934109
wooah that's what xanadu is supposed to look like? thats actually so much cooler than I had imagined

[Anonymous No.9935250]

>>9933097
You're allowed to say it, but you're also wrong. Zelda 2 is one of the best Zeldas.

[Anonymous No.9935257]

Is there a strategy to dark link besides crouching in the corner and stabbing his knees when he gets close? Feels dishonorable

[Anonymous No.9935261]

I remember we always called it Link or The Adventure of Link as a kid, rarely Zelda II. Today my older bro called it "Link" again, saying "we had Link as kids but not Zelda 1." Looking at the box it's easy to remember why the game was called Link to us.

[Anonymous No.9935263]

>>9935261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oufgG46D_48
Even with the title screen it emphasizes Link.

[Anonymous No.9935284]

>>9933097
Why do you type like a whiny victimized faggot?

[Anonymous No.9935317]

>>9933737
>>9933923
Yeah pretty sure AI/bot. Good call anon.

Would love a place to discus VR without shit DESU/

[Anonymous No.9935332]

>>9933097
No, because putting enough time into it to beat it proves that it was fun. You lose!

[Anonymous No.9935373]

>>9934109
Zelda 2 sold 4,4millions worldwide

Xanadu sold 400k copies accross all versions; and 3 of those versions were released after Zelda 2.

Even then there is a difference between the two games: Xanadu is still an RPG at its chore, while Zelda 2 is an action game given some RPG mechanics (though both things are called A-RPGs for lack of better term, the degree of RPGness isn't the same, it's like how both Echo Night and Resident Evil are survival horror despite the degree of action and adventure elements being at the opposite end of the spectrum). There is a huge difference between Xanadu and Faxanadu for instance, the later of which is obviously directly inspired by Zelda 2.

[Anonymous No.9935380]

>>9933097
You should play something you like after that.
People will scream at you at expressing any opinion anyway and you playing game changes nothing.

[Anonymous No.9935405]

>>9933097
You can say whatever you want bro. I like it though.

[Anonymous No.9935407]

>>9933192
This is true though, when was the last time anyone saw a thread that was

>HOLY SHIT THIS GAME IS AWESOME YOU GOTTA PLAY IT

now it's all
>waa this is overrated
>waa this is trash and here is why: this is bad design because I have superior intellect and that is a fact!

Is this new generation so insecure they just can't enjoy things? or do they think impersonating AVGN, a comedy show at first intended precisely to mock this kind of attitude, makes them smart and popular?

[Anonymous No.9935435]

>>9933097
If you'd actually beaten it you'd realize how solid the gameplay is. I'm willing to bet you followed a map though the Great Palace

[Anonymous No.9935480]

>Entire positive revisionism about this game hinges on claiming people get "filtered" by the challenge
>When robbed of that angle the only resort is claiming whoever did't like it "played it wrong"
This is almost a cult by now lmao

[Anonymous No.9936342]

>>9933097
No because if you actually beat it you wouldn't feel that way. Try again zoomer. Go download your romhacks like you like to do.

[Anonymous No.9936351]

>>9935407
Like, two thirds of the threads on this hellhole.

[Anonymous No.9936460]

>>9935407
>do they think impersonating AVGN
The funny thing when they parrot the AVGN episode about why Zelda 2 sucks is that Mike wrote the Zelda 2 episode and loves the game.

[Anonymous No.9936480]

>>9933097
reminder that it doesn't count if you used save states or a guide

[Anonymous No.9936569]

>>9935480
Tendies were always a cult

[Anonymous No.9936632]

Zelda 2 is a shit ass game in all kinds of ways.
The whole thing comes across as an in-joke by the developer at your expense.
They're just laughing at you for not being psychic.
I hope you've for $5 up your ass for a copy of Nintendo Power, baka gaijin!
>muh save states
>muh emulator
Game was the same on Nintendo at a friends' house back in '93 as it is now.

>muh trolling
You spaghettards are doing the exact same thing here.
>say bad things about weak game
ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>say you don't like a game in it's 50th thread of the month
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRED

[Anonymous No.9936649]

>>9935263
It's such a great title screen.
Maybe even better than ALttP.

[Anonymous No.9936675]

>>9936632
>They're just laughing at you for not being psychic
>Is too retarded to explore around small segmented areas.

[Anonymous No.9936784]

>>9933097
Play Dragon Buster and Fau+Xanadu

[Anonymous No.9936787]

>>9933341
>Wut?
Retardbro?

[Anonymous No.9936820]

>>9935407
I think it's a symptom of the media checklist mentality. People put themselves through entertainment products they don't actually find engaging and it leads to resentment for the time they spent on it.

[Anonymous No.9937978]

>>9936632
>>muh trolling
>You spaghettards are doing the exact same thing here.
>say bad things about weak game
>ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>say you don't like a game in it's 50th thread of the month
>FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRED


Holy cope lol

Anytime someone on /vr/ says something negative about this game, and actually does back it down with arguments, he only shows how much retardation he has. There is no exception.

>that guy who complained "Go West" was misleading
>that guy who claimed you can't choose what to lvl up
>that guy who claimed exp didn't overflow when you reach a new lvl
>etc

Every.Single.Time.
Zelda 2 threads are a spectacle because they show the level of retardation of the modern player and the difference of intellect between them, at 20-30 years old in 2023, and 8-20 yo kids playing that game in the late 80's/early 90's.
They don't want to read a single word when playing, and even when they attempt it, they can't. They don't understand anything so everything about the game becomes ""bad design"".

[Anonymous No.9937979]

>>9933652
... What?

[Anonymous No.9937985]

>>9933192
meds

[Anonymous No.9938178]

>>9934109
Who is the girl??? I dont remember her in faxanadu

[Anonymous No.9938834]

>>9937978
>They don't want to read a single word
They can't. They're illiterate.

[Anonymous No.9939679]

This game really is dogshit. Walking, walking, and more fucking walking. There's your gameplay. Might as well get off my chair and go for a walk my own damn self. If you fuck up, your ass is going back to the Northern Palace and that means more walking. You're actively avoiding enemy encounters because they give you shit experience and drain your health without any chance of a health pickup other than a random fairy spawn, which means more walking. You might as well stop and grind in a palace before you get a move on because everything hits like a truck and you aren't getting shit for experience in any other way. It's all such a fucking boring test of patience. The manual didn't give me shit for help either, the only useful thing it told me was that there was spell in every town. Guess they expected players to comb through every tile to find the NPC for the bridge and the cave to Dungeon 3. Really got my money's worth on that one, Nintendo has done it again! Piss off, faggots.

No wonder Miyamoto disowned this shit, it probably bored him to sleep too. First Zelda game was way better, at least that one is fun.

[Anonymous No.9939687]

Serious question why does nintendo/zelda lives in your head rent free, auster?

[Anonymous No.9939731]

>>9937979
Yeah, it's all explained in the game's manual.
Basically, way before the events of Zelda 1, Zelda from Zelda 2 was put into eternal sleep.
It's confusing but it does make sense.

[Anonymous No.9939750]

>>9939687
Give me a history lesson on Auster.I love learning about regular autists' origins.

[Anonymous No.9939769]

>Posts deleted
Hey how about the WHOLE THREAD, incompetent retard.

[Anonymous No.9940652]

>>9933097
I bet you used savestates you shitter

[Anonymous No.9940659]

>>9936787
these are just fucked up maps that don't actually change the perspective of the game itself

[Anonymous No.9941371]

>>9938178
That's Xanadu no Faxanadu

[Anonymous No.9941372]

>>9935257
Jump slashes work okay but obviously not as well as crouching in the corner.

[Anonymous No.9941413]

>>9933097
How did clunky shit like Castlevania and Ninja Gaiden get millions of sequels, but Zelda 2, which actually has fluid movement and combat, did not? Did people just have backwards standards back then? Is this the same thing where people think Disney is too animated?

[Anonymous No.9941429]

>>9941413
The clunkiness of castlevania works in its favour though.

[Anonymous No.9941430]

>>9934130
>constant feeling of progression through seeing Link get stronger through learning new sword moves
Not really, the only viable move is to jump stab everyone, like the knee bash in Double Dragon, once you figured it out it become very repetitive

[Anonymous No.9941597]

"Clunky" is the newest word zoomers learnt that make them feel smart, you can safely ignore posts that use it

[Anonymous No.9941614]

>>9941430
Mostly this and it's not the good kind of repetitive. It's boring since all the dungeons are copy/pasted on top of just being hallway simulators, puzzles non-existent and poor platforming challenges that are either hit blocks to make a path, run across collapsing bridge and hop over lava pits. Controls great, but boring to traverse.

[Anonymous No.9942093]

>>9933097

[Anonymous No.9942114]

>>9933097
I played this for the first time a year or two ago and while I don't really remember it fondly or anything, I don't remember it being bad either.
The only real part I thought sucked was the one maze island where you have to go back and forth through that long ass maze a couple of times, but it was fine besides that. I think the main reason people don't like it is just because it's different and the random encounters can be kind of annoying and tedious.

[Anonymous No.9942290]

[Anonymous No.9942295]

[Anonymous No.9942437]

>>9941575
>>9941085
>>9938747
>>9942375

>>9939802
>>9935906

[Anonymous No.9942539]

>>9938821
>>9932232
>>9932268
>>9938068

[Anonymous No.9942591]

>>9939679
do you want some cheese with that whine?

[Anonymous No.9942593]

>>9942290
now that’s impressive

[Anonymous No.9942885]

>>9942295
Wow. So hard.

[Anonymous No.9942894]

>>9941597
They don't like the gameplay part of the game.

[Anonymous No.9942905]

>>9942885
It must be given how much butt flustering it causes here.

[Anonymous No.9943138]

>>9942295
>embarrassing jump and slash approach to swordfighting
You didn't beat the game.

[Anonymous No.9943141]

>>9941597
To be fair it's slightly less self-satisfied and meaningless than "soul"

[Anonymous No.9943385]

>>9943138
>You can't use the most effective way to fight enemies because.... you just can't okay!?!??

[Anonymous No.9943416]

>>9943385
In a way it was remarkably thoughtful of the devs to put in an easy method for people who'd get filtered by the proper fighting mechanics.

[Anonymous No.9943425]

>>9943138
>>9943416
>HEADCANON
No one cares.

[Anonymous No.9943523]

>>9940659
So exactly like Link's Awakening, then.

[Anonymous No.9943535]

>>9943416
>shield that changes positions instantly at random
>proper fighting mechanics
No.

[Anonymous No.9943559]

>>9943535
The shield doesn't change position at random, it depends on the Y positioning of Link.

[Anonymous No.9943564]

>>9943559
Either way, the only solution without jumping is just spamming attacks until one makes it through. There's nothing fun about it.

[Anonymous No.9943587]

>>9943425
>>9943535
>>9943564
Doing it the easy way is perfectly fine anons, no need to get defensive; intentional or not, whatever makes a game more accessible to a wider audience is unironically a positive except of course for people for whom the core appeal of the game may lie in imagining superiority over the "filtered".

[Anonymous No.9943596]

>>9943587
I'm not defensive, the Iron Knuckles are badly designed and unfun. Literally the worst part of the whole game. I understand the intention but the execution is shit.

[Anonymous No.9943615]

>>9943059
>>9943264
>>9942605

>>9938338

[Anonymous No.9943664]

>>9943535
>>9943559
>>9943564
>>9943596
I'd say some don't quite get the point of the system really; the core idea of the "proper" swordfighting mechanics is that there's no way of guaranteein a successful hit.

Essentially, there's a small % chance of damaging an Iron Knuckle-type enemy with an attack from any given position (standing or crouching), but with every attack you land from that position (regardless of whether it's parried or not), that chance decreases until it very soon reaches 0%. You can reset that base chance by switching attacking position, or by slowing down the frequency of your attacks.

So what makes the system unfun or poorly designed for some anons is mostly assumptions born of modern game design sensibilities: the game is not tasking the player with finding "the way" to damage the shielded enemies. The point is learning to maximize the chances of getting a hit through while defending yourself at the same time till that happens. It's not a puzzle, it's about concentration, reflexes and endurance.

Of course, the devs may have not realized how comparatively easy was to pull off the jump and strike alternative to that lol

[Anonymous No.9943716]

>>9942885
I more wanted to show it as fun. The level of momentum, precision and clarity is apparent in the game compared to other action titles.

[Anonymous No.9943769]

>>9942290
>>9942295
>>9943716
How well does the jump and strike method work on Blue Iron Knuckles? I don't use the method myself but given their projectile barrages I doubt you can consistently get much use of it without risking more damage than with ground combat on average

[Anonymous No.9943795]

>>9943769
It works fine, but they're tanky and spam more.