Why hasn't this happened yet?

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Anonymous Sat May 20 12:20:37 2023 No.9918825 [Reply] [Original]

Why hasn't this happened yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 12:26:48 2023 No.9918835 The little pi boards they slap these onto aren't powerful/cheap enough to do good N64 emulation

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 12:28:07 2023 No.9918837 It's not a 64 without the rareware, wrestling and star wars gamea

Anonymous Sat May 20 12:31:32 2023 No.9918840

>>9918825
idk. I think mini-trend is dead completely.
I doubt we will see any huge popular consoles. The trend was on when there was NES/SNES thing and it's over.
Also nintendo obviously dont want to give people other options because it releases those 64 games on Switch store for subscription.

Plus you can just play all that on steamdeck on a pooper

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 12:34:41 2023 No.9918843 >>9918835 >>9918840 I think the chip shortage since 2020 is also a major reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 12:34:45 2023 No.9918845 >>9918825 NES and SNES minis were created to fill a gap between Wii U and the Switch. The latter still sells pretty well, so Nintendo does not need another product.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 12:35:24 2023 No.9918846 >>9918825 it made sense to make those for NES and SNES because those were good consoles, but the N64?

Anonymous Sat May 20 12:38:34 2023 No.9918850
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>>9918825
Zoomies on Discord told me it's because Switch is for both modern and retro gamers and insisted to me that nobody plays only retro games. I think they will make one eventually, as long as people will buy it, which they will.

>>9918837
Banjo made it onto Switch online so possibly there's hope

>>9918840
Genesis Mini 2 was just released a few months ago with Sharp X86000Z Mini on the horizon. Nintendo themselves have also been releasing those Game and Watch handhelds every year, the first one with Mario and the second with Link's Awakening. I'd say it's not over just yet.

Anonymous Sat May 20 12:45:25 2023 No.9918862

>>9918850
Yea but those genesis minis, they had such a small production line and cost an arm and a leg. I have no idea how they are now but they dropped in price after they released and again, there was a very limited number. Unless something had changed in the last couple months (they released back in Nov iirc). N64s are going for insane prices and it keeps climbing, but w the switch there isn’t really a reason for Nintendo to spend money and potentially lose a bunch when they license the games for nothing. Also chip shortage due to war. If the American president remains unchanged, chip shortage could continue to be a major issue.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 13:00:26 2023 No.9918884 >>9918825 Because Nintendo wants you to subscribe and pay for a digital download

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 15:08:27 2023 No.9919092 >>9918837 >It's not a 64 without the rareware, So it's not an N64 without overrated shovelware?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 17:06:06 2023 No.9919359 >>9919092 yes

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 17:24:42 2023 No.9919403 >>9918825 The NES Classic was really a distraction to cover for the Wii U disaster. With the Switch printing money and doing N64 pretty well there's just no reason for them to invest in another mini.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 17:27:19 2023 No.9919414 >>9918835 The Unisoc Tiger T618 can easily delivers passable N64 performance for the casuals who actually buy mini consoles. That is the chip from RP3+ and RG505 handhelds and its honestly overkill for N64.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 17:55:49 2023 No.9919481 >>9918884 This.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 20 17:59:41 2023 No.9919493 They should instead fix the N64 emulator on the Switch and put some effort and get some Rare, Treasure & Konami games instead.

Anonymous Sun May 21 00:44:18 2023 No.9920486
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>>9918825
because N64 games sell Switches, which have an access to the online store, which is a revenue stream for Nintendo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx1BBrokwjA

A N64 classic mini would be a dead end for shareholders.
these days rich people don't want sales money, they want service money.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 00:45:20 2023 No.9920489 >>9918884 fug i'm too late

Anonymous Sun May 21 00:48:05 2023 No.9920496

>>9920486
>because N64 games sell Switches, which have an access to the online store, which is a revenue stream for Nintendo.

I think Nintendo looked at their SBC options and realised that it wasn't worth it. So they decided to just release an N64 gamepad for the switch and offer them through Nintendo Classics instead. Either way, they are still being emulated.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 00:49:26 2023 No.9920505 >>9920496 thanks for the clarification

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 00:56:37 2023 No.9920532 >>9919414 Does it cost less than $30? Nintendo want huge profits and probably a $100 price point

Anonymous Sun May 21 00:57:53 2023 No.9920536

>>9918825
N64 emulators suck ass. I don't mean that as in they're unplayable, I've played all of the worthwhile games on my modern dual 1440p144 desktop computer without any blaring issues, but they're not something you can just load on a cheap ass pi clone and expect it to work well enough as an official product. Look at what Sony did, the PS1 Classic got its teeth kicked in because the chinkshit boards they chose were far too underpowered to handle PS1 emulation.

>>9919414
And unfortunately result in an N64 Mini that's way more expensive than what people are willing to pay for. It's probably why Nintendo stopped with NES and SNES before switching to their trash NSO service that doesn't even emulate games all that well, avoids production cost altogether when their other systems would require better hardware as they further ahead.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 01:07:09 2023 No.9920557 >>9918825 It’s a bad game console.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 01:21:30 2023 No.9920605 >>9918825 have you SEEN nintendo's emulation for n64 from inhouse work? They couldn't do it on the cube and they can't do it now. Maybe if this was the wii but switch?They have lost entirely software wise

Anonymous Sun May 21 03:50:42 2023 No.9920994

n64 is too powerful for shitty emulator boxes
controllers would be too expensive to make (and people will want 4 of them per console)
no fucking games

the entire reason why nintendo did the NES and SNES mini was as a cheap cash grab while the switch was in development. If nintendo wants people to play N64 shit then they'll want people to do it on their switch.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 04:06:38 2023 No.9921016 >>9920994 you know tendies would line up to buy SM64 once again anyway

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 04:10:08 2023 No.9921019 >>9921016 Yeah, which is why Nintendo used SM64 as part of a profoundly retarded paid rom expansion pack to their shitty paid online program. They want people on the switch, not playing little stand alone mini consoles anymore.

Anonymous Sun May 21 13:23:07 2023 No.9921583

>>9918825
Aside from emulation issues; it's probably because the N64 was widely known for its couch multi-player games like Mario Party and Smash Bros. They would still have to include four ports on the unit, even if four controllers didn't come in the box. The NES and SNES minis were both small and had slim controllers, so they were easy to package and ship. The N64 Mini itself might hypothetically be small, but the controllers would have to be the same size; and to package even two of them per box would make it more expensive to package and ship, and they would of course have to pass that cost on to the consumer. I think Nintendo would be able to sell such a device on the strength of their own N64 first-party library alone; they could easily slap 20 games on there.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 13:27:36 2023 No.9921594 >>9918850 >Nintendo themselves have also been releasing those Game and Watch handhelds every year Those were 35th Anniversary releases for Super Mario Bros. and The Legend of Zelda. There wasn't a third last year.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 13:59:48 2023 No.9921649 They're still looking for 50 games.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 14:11:57 2023 No.9921665 >>9918825 They already stated that mini consoles were only made to create additional income in the transitional period towards the Switch.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 14:21:12 2023 No.9921681 >>9921665 Is it unreasonable to expect then that they might do the same during the transition period to their next console?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 14:22:04 2023 No.9921683 >>9920994 >controllers would be too expensive to make so that's why they never have a good one?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 14:24:42 2023 No.9921689 >>9918825 They can't just steal an emulator and claim it as their own, they would have to do actual work in order to get it working and Nintendo is really lazy.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 14:29:06 2023 No.9921698 >>9921689 >They can't just steal an emulator and claim it as their own They can use any open source emulator, you cannot "steal" open source.

Anonymous Sun May 21 15:01:16 2023 No.9921743

>>9920532
At the volume Nintendo would buy? Possible.
The chip is several years old and already used in cheap handheld that come with screens, decent analog sticks, and free shipping.

There are even less expensive chips that run N64 well enough for casuals. The RK3566 is a cheaper alternative and it offers very decent n64 . Here is bad fur day below:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4j1Tsatex4
Zelda:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgQgwYk9VVw
Keep in mind Zelda ran at only 20 fps on original hardware. Its not tough to get there.
If I can buy the "system on a chip" version for $50 retail which already has ram, wifi, multiple USB ports and hdmi out, I would imagine Nintendo could have that chip for under $20 easily.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 15:18:57 2023 No.9921775 >>9918825 NSO provides the games for you and there's even an N64 controller for the Switch

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 15:19:59 2023 No.9921781 >>9921775 Plus the NES and SNES Classics were made before NSO

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 15:22:14 2023 No.9921784 >>9921698 Some open source licenses prevent commercial use.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 15:24:49 2023 No.9921790 >>9918825 Can't emulate N64 with some android shitbox.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 15:30:16 2023 No.9921804 >>9921784 Also they have to include the source code with whatever additions they did to it, at least with the GPL

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 18:04:44 2023 No.9922168 >>9918825 Probably because of Nintendo Online.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 18:07:07 2023 No.9922173 >>9920486 Switch games are what sell Switches. NSO is just like an added bonus

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 18:36:03 2023 No.9922236 File: 17 KB, 240x210, New_Super_Mario_World_1_The_Twelve_Magic_Orbs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9918825 no good eumulation, no mk64 no mk64, no mini 64 simple as

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 18:40:01 2023 No.9922241 File: 66 KB, 1280x720, luigi raceway mario kart 64.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] no good emulation, no mk64 no mk64, no mini 64 simple as.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 18:47:38 2023 No.9922261 Everyone forgot Nintendo iQue.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 18:48:54 2023 No.9922263 File: 970 KB, 1200x1051, Nintendo-N64-iQue-Player-FL.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9922261

>>	Anonymous Sun May 21 19:05:16 2023 No.9922293 >>9918825 you have to include rare games and that will not happen

Anonymous Sun May 21 19:24:51 2023 No.9922337

Is there a decent N64 knock off out there worth getting? The original consoles blur filter is just too much for me to cope with even with a RetroTink 2X's filter. I rather just play it emulated or on the Switch.
Which is a shame because I have a decent cart collection and a Everdrive just going to waste

Anonymous Sun May 21 23:33:48 2023 No.9922871
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>>9922337
Hyperkin was working on one at one point, but I guess it kind of just fell through. There's always the controller though if you don't have that, either USB, bluetooth, or 2.4ghz

Anonymous Sun May 21 23:38:09 2023 No.9922879

>>9922241
There is great emulation out there, the problem is that it needs to be low level emulation and it's resource intensive in order to get the accuracy. So you either get an inaccurate but cheap version out or an effective but expensive one, not very good choices business wise.
If it's too shit, people won't but it, just like the ps1 mini, too expensive and once again people will not buy it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 00:09:27 2023 No.9922952 File: 327 KB, 1600x1200, s-l1600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] when the fuck is THIS NITENDO

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 00:19:57 2023 No.9922992 >>9918835 Anon my shitty craptop from 2002 that didn't even have a proper GPU could emulate N64 just fine. I'm 99% certain a modern Pi or Pi equivalent could do it easily.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 00:23:15 2023 No.9923003 No gaems

Anonymous Mon May 22 00:26:01 2023 No.9923006

>>9922263
Looking at this it becomes very puzzling why Nintendo ever made that N64 controller the way that they did. This is basically the Xbox controller layout just with six face buttons and without a right stick. This is far superior to the N64 controller.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 00:30:05 2023 No.9923016 >>9922952 A Gameboy mini? If they do one they should just do the whole line from GB, GBC and GBA. Load it up with 50-100 games from the three handhelds. Realistically though GBA would be left out so they can double dip at some point down the line.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 00:45:04 2023 No.9923058 >>9918825 Give it another 5 years tops and you can go ahead and buy that little negro off of ebay from a scalper.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 00:46:58 2023 No.9923062 >>9923016 doesn't have to me a "mini" per say, just a recreation of the game-boy with preloaded games

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 01:00:08 2023 No.9923090 File: 106 KB, 1280x1161, 1681749960778822.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9918825 Partially because the improbable release of Star Fox 2 set new expectations for these miniconsoles going forward.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 01:01:21 2023 No.9923093 >>9918825 wouldn't be able to emulate properly without being unprofitable wouldn't have any rare games (the shit people actually played on the console) controller would filter 80% of buyers

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 02:27:07 2023 No.9923296 >>9923006 That looks like shit. They probably had to make it that way to get the politburi to approve. The original N64 controller is very comfortable, regardless of forced memes.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 02:31:23 2023 No.9923314 >>9921784 Nintendo could argue they're just selling the ROM's and not the emulator

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 02:50:25 2023 No.9923375 >>9922992 Your crap top from 2002 had optimized emulators on top of optimized operating systems. Your average rp4 is emulating N64 with a hacked program that barely runs on top of án awfully slow operating system. There's no comparison.

Anonymous Mon May 22 02:53:36 2023 No.9923385

>>9923296
Yeah which is why Hori and other third party publishers went with the same trident design right? Shut the fuck up moron that design died out after N64 for a fucking reason. Even Nintendo changed it very shortly after with Gamecube. It wasn't a great controller otherwise we would still have the design today. Meanwhile the Xbox controller style is copied plenty.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 03:10:07 2023 No.9923416 >>9918825 No games What would it have? Fzero, nba showtime, quake, 007? 4 games total? Lol

Anonymous Mon May 22 03:15:33 2023 No.9923427

>>9923385
Damn, that made you mad, faggot. I know you're either a zoomer or a console warrior that refused to play N64 because you're a gay fanboy.

The Xbox controller (both S and Duke) is much better than the iQue one looks. And every one of those third-party ones (I only known of the Retro Fighters and that shitty one with the fucked d-pad placement) has glaring issues. I guess the RF one is the best of those options, though, if you have to get one.

Anonymous Mon May 22 03:41:21 2023 No.9923481
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>>9922241
>no good emulation
Are you still using PJ64 or something? N64 emulation is practically perfect in the current year if you know what you're doing. It looks the same as real hardware with an HDMI mod

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 03:48:59 2023 No.9923502 >>9923481 Is it possible to learn this power?

Anonymous Mon May 22 04:05:17 2023 No.9923534

>>9923502
>Retroarch
>Mupen64Plus-Next core
>start game
>Press F1>Core Options
>Set RDP and RSP plugins to ParaLLEl
>go back and select Close Content (restart won't work)
>start game again
You can also go into ParaLLEl-RDP under core options and change Upscaling Factore if you want to play at higher than native res
Also, you need a decent, Vulkan capable GPU to use ParaLLEl, don't even think about running this on a Pi or something

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 04:07:32 2023 No.9923540 >>9923534 Very much appreciated.

Anonymous Mon May 22 04:12:38 2023 No.9923547

>>9923540
No problem. If you set this up correctly you'll immediately notice that the games have that real N64 look to them than even Nintendo's official emulators (Wii, Switch) can't do right. There's even a few effects, namely in OoT that are still broken even on Switch to this day that are emulated perfectly with ParaLLEl. It's the best way to play N64 games outside of real hardware, even better than official re-releases

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 04:13:25 2023 No.9923551 >>9923547 Exactly what I've been hoping for after seeing how the Switch emulator massacred everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 04:16:27 2023 No.9923557 Why bother when they can just drip feed zoomers roms on that shitty online service? They will buy literally any slop Nintendo puts in front of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 04:43:39 2023 No.9923595 >>9923375 >Your crap top from 2002 had optimized emulators on top of optimized operating systems. >he actually believes this ahahaha

Anonymous Mon May 22 04:45:03 2023 No.9923597

>>9923547
>>9923551
Got everything set up and threw on crt-guest-advanced and I'm genuinely impressed. I'm playing at he 4:3 aspect ratio on a laptop with 1920 x 1080 resolution. I decided to change upscaling to 4x to see what it would look like and didn't really notice a difference, do I need to be looking at another option or just leave it back at 1x?

Anonymous Mon May 22 04:56:44 2023 No.9923621

>>9923597
>I decided to change upscaling to 4x to see what it would look like and didn't really notice a difference
As with changing the plugins, you need to stop the emulation and start it again to take effect, restart won't work, you have to choose close content. If you still don't see any difference it might be because it's harder to see with the shader. In that case just choose what you like better.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 22 04:57:08 2023 No.9923623 >>9923621 That explains it.

Anonymous Mon May 22 11:46:07 2023 No.9924157
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>>9918825
Why would they sell you this for $120 when they can rent you 10 games for ONLY $2 a month?

Don't you want to spend $100 to rent n64 games that you won't have access to in half a decade?

Do you shills really make these posts just to promote nintoddler games or something, or are you this dumb?

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