This game was demonstrably more influential for the vidya industry than Mario 64 and OoT, and I'm tired of pretending it isn't. >But it was a bad influenc- Not what we're discussing here, and it's like, your opinion, man.

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Anonymous Sun May 7 18:40:52 2023 No.9884809 [Reply] [Original]

This game was demonstrably more influential for the vidya industry than Mario 64 and OoT, and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
>But it was a bad influenc-
Not what we're discussing here, and it's like, your opinion, man.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 18:41:41 2023 No.9884813 why were you pretending?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 18:42:12 2023 No.9884814 >>9884813 Anons sending me death threats

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:08:29 2023 No.9884867 >>9884809 Resident Evil was cinematic before MGS1 and RE4 invented the whole over the shoulder shit. I've always thought that RE is secretly the franchise to blame for what we have today even though it's a good series

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:12:21 2023 No.9884873 Lou Reed is influential, but that doesn’t make him a good musician or songwriter.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:20:15 2023 No.9884890 >>9884809 Back in the day I was an Ocarina guy but in 2023, MGS1 is a much better and more interesting game.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:27:08 2023 No.9884920 Story games like metal gear and FF7 will never stand against n64

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:27:50 2023 No.9884925 The game industry in Japan would be a lot better if Mario 64 and OoT were more considered. The PS1 held back Japanese level design by a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:28:45 2023 No.9884928 >>9884925 >Japanese games held back the Japanese game industry

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:30:27 2023 No.9884932 >>9884928 A set of japanese games held back the japanese industry, yes

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:32:43 2023 No.9884934 >>9884925 If it did that's because it's what the japanese wanted to play in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:36:54 2023 No.9884946 >>9884925 10000% Japan biggest mistake was not going n64

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:39:40 2023 No.9884951 >>9884925 >in Japan Literally every Japanese developer who does action-adventure/ARPG cites OoT as inspiration

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 19:43:06 2023 No.9884959 File: 65 KB, 660x400, 452863F7-F554-40CB-9A73-AC851ABCE074.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9884809 >This game was demonstrably more influential for the vidya industry than Mario 64 and OoT

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 20:13:35 2023 No.9885020 >>9884867 Half of RE4 was ripped off from MGS1 lul

>>	Dave Sun May 7 20:14:11 2023 No.9885025 File: 1.99 MB, 320x240, 1675695431250062.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is better than the homosexual metalsneed. Hitman Blood Money is probably the most memorable!

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 20:17:31 2023 No.9885035 cool blog op i will now hide your shit thread

Anonymous Sun May 7 20:44:53 2023 No.9885095

Long term? Sure, popular games became way more cinematic and serious with time. Anyone who doesn't agree is blind. Short term there were a bunch of games inspired by M64 and OoT, but eventually games became more adult oriented, which is what MGS1 was doing when the industry was still built around kids and teenagers

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 20:45:14 2023 No.9885096 >>9884809 Nope.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 20:52:30 2023 No.9885110 >>9884809 Facts. MGS and TR had more impact and influence.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 22:54:06 2023 No.9885365 >>9884890 Ocraprina of Time is a shitgame, but it certainly isnt worse than Medull Queer Solid

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 22:57:33 2023 No.9885373 >>9884959 The only thing Kingdumb Sharts influenced was the tranny movement

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 22:58:40 2023 No.9885375 >>9885035 Not an argument I accept your concession

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 22:59:51 2023 No.9885378 >>9885365 Fuck off and go play mr.bones in your moms basement assclown

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 23:03:17 2023 No.9885384 >>9885378 Not an argument

>>	Anonymous Sun May 7 23:17:36 2023 No.9885427 damn that nigga got sent to the shadow realm

Anonymous Sun May 7 23:46:37 2023 No.9885506

MGS was influential for all the wrong reasons.
In fact, there is something about MGS that no one points out. It was the first DLC-ish game.
They put out an unsatisfying movie game, and then made a bunch of actual missions to play through and sold separately.
So you not only have the first popular movie game that everyone loved, it also brought along DLC-ish content too

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 00:05:17 2023 No.9885558 >>9885506 >It was the first DLC-ish game. Expansions existed before MGS

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 00:08:32 2023 No.9885565 Nintenfag cope

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 00:20:36 2023 No.9885604 >>9885558 It's not an expansion though. It was a standalone game sold separately in America. I say standalone but not really. You wouldn't buy that unless you were already an MGS fan. So it was a lot like DLC.

Anonymous Mon May 8 00:29:25 2023 No.9885626

Ff7 made jrpgs the most popular genre in America for a while. America, where they eat grease and shoot each other in schools. Even that shit hole loved jrpgs after ff7

That's importance

There never was a huge sneaking genre. Some games added some variant of sneaking, which existed before and after mgs

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 00:34:21 2023 No.9885636 >>9885626 Jrpgs were never the most popular genre in the west. It went from mascot platformers to open-world (GTA3) or shooters (Halo)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 00:36:19 2023 No.9885641 >>9885604 VR missions were part of a Japanese re-release so it doesn't really count as dlc desu

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 00:36:49 2023 No.9885642 >>9884809 Splinter Cell is way better.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 00:38:50 2023 No.9885648 >>9885642 >west shit is way better nope

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 01:17:41 2023 No.9885732 >>9885648 Splinter Cell is better due to being more realistic & a real stealth game. MGS is just a glorified movie game pretending to be a stealth game.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 01:25:23 2023 No.9885753 >>9885732 >realistic cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 01:40:04 2023 No.9885773 >>9885753 Lol....no, what's cringe is MGS isn't a real stealth game.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 01:49:27 2023 No.9885789 >>9885773 stealth is a meme genre

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 02:56:57 2023 No.9885904 >>9885773 Spoiler alert: nobody actually likes MGS just for the stealth alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 02:57:06 2023 No.9885905 >>9885789 Only people who suck at stealth says that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 02:57:46 2023 No.9885907 >>9885905 dead genre

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 08:34:45 2023 No.9886459 >>9885904 yes, they like it cause it's a movie

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 08:36:35 2023 No.9886464 The only difference between MGS and The Last of Us is that MGS is popcorn nonsense and TLOU takes itself seriously

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 08:46:09 2023 No.9886483 >>9884809 You can tell OP is a chick

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 08:49:17 2023 No.9886492 >>9886464 MGS has good gameplay >no it doesn't!!! If you stop trying so hard to fit in on an anonymous forum, yes it does

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 08:55:22 2023 No.9886501 >>9886492 Not really. MGS constantly interrupts you with cutscenes. The game is built on a solid foundation that could be fun, but it's not because it's nothing but setpieces

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 11:05:24 2023 No.9886696 >>9885904 Stealth is the point though. The thrill of not getting caught & completing the mission is a great adventure. >>9885907 Nope. It's still going strong.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 12:05:54 2023 No.9886783 >>9885907 Most based genres are dead because everything got replaced by vidyaslop and people are idiots. That's why we browse /vr/, retard. Go back.

Anonymous Mon May 8 12:13:25 2023 No.9886802

>>9884809
>This game was demonstrably more influential for the vidya industry than Mario 64 and OoT
True but so was wofstein, doom, elite, quake, Lords of Midnight and a truck load of other titles and actual innovation and invention as opposed to bing bing wahoo and PedoQuestZelda.
>>9884813
>why were you pretending?
probably to avoid the cultists flinging shit

Anonymous Mon May 8 12:19:05 2023 No.9886816

>>9886802
>True but so was wofstein, doom, elite, quake, Lords of Midnight and a truck load of other titles and actual innovation and invention as opposed to bing bing wahoo and PedoQuestZelda.
b-b-b-but the GTA dev said OoT influenced him to make GTA 3... even thought GTA 3 was just GTA 2 but in 3D perspective... and he only said it to be nice to Miyamoto... but it's totes true!

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 12:31:36 2023 No.9886849 >>9886816 So what? As far as you know he was pitching for a job at pedohut. Many many many games have been more influential than bing bing pedoquestzelda wahoo. Consider Microsoft Flight Sim and 911 or Wolfstein 3D. Think outside your cult

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 12:32:36 2023 No.9886851 It's just pac-man in 3D. And if I'm being honest, Pac-Mania did it first.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 12:34:04 2023 No.9886854 >>9886849 Your sarcasm detector is broken

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 12:34:46 2023 No.9886856 >>9886849 >Think outside your cult The irony >Wolfenstein 3D Even your wikipedia knowledge is weak. That's how I know you are not in the higher echelons of anti-Nintendo shitposters

Anonymous Mon May 8 12:38:34 2023 No.9886865
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>>9884809
You know Kojima strongly admires Miyamoto? I know retro gaming history is a blur to you because you weren't born yet or a baby, but those games were spaced a year apart each.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 12:40:04 2023 No.9886868 >>9886865 As far as western people are concerned, everybody hates Miyamoto, and Miyamoto hates Donkey Kong Country or something. Western video game consumers are also notable for having bad taste in video games. Coincidence?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 12:45:14 2023 No.9886872 >>9886856 Wolfstein 3D was massive. Sry not Sry

Anonymous Mon May 8 12:52:26 2023 No.9886885

I can see the influence Mario 64 had on the industry, but for OoT I just don't see it. The other games that play like OoT are... other Zeldas and that's it. The OoT mythification was always out of control, you guys weren't simply content of having a great game in your hands that you had to make up all kinds of bullshit to propel it up?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:02:57 2023 No.9886903 >>9886885 That's because you played it on an emulator when you were 6 years old in 2012 >>9886872 OoT is nothing like Doom or Quake and it's not supposed to be go away retard

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:09:27 2023 No.9886917 >>9886903 >OoT is nothing like Doom or Quake That's true.

Anonymous Mon May 8 13:12:11 2023 No.9886931

>>9886872
It was not the first of its kind. If you are going with Wolf3D instead of Doom in your worthless /v/tard posts to sound knowledgeable then at least mention something earlier. Again, go up your wiki knowledge if you want to shit on Nintendo
>>9886885
It had a big impact on Taro and Miyazaki at least so that's something

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:36:24 2023 No.9886992 >>9886931 >It had a big impact on Taro and Miyazaki at least so that's something I haven't played Taro games but Dork souls are just old FromSoft games with an updated control scheme and in 3rd person perspective.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:39:26 2023 No.9887001 >>9886851 Calling MGS Pac-Man in 3D is the most genius and hilarious thing I've ever read

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:40:26 2023 No.9887005 >>9886992 >updated control scheme and in 3rd person perspective Which they did because of Zelda's influence.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:42:31 2023 No.9887010 >OoT's influence is Taro and Fromsoft games, I guess you niggas can't be serious. only reply to me if you also include your year of birth

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:43:54 2023 No.9887017 >>9887005 Bullshit. They did it because the 7th gen was the era that kickstarted standarized controls or else the zoomies and journos wouldn't play your game.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:44:18 2023 No.9887019 >>9887001 You can completely ignore the whole 3D aspect of the game and only play using the small map on the corner, which is basically a slow version of pac-man.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:49:49 2023 No.9887038 >>9886992 So Miyazaki is lying? Okay

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 13:52:30 2023 No.9887042 >>9886992 >with an updated control scheme and in 3rd person perspective. Clearly inspired by OOT. You think King's Field plays like Dark Souls but in 1st person?

Anonymous Mon May 8 13:54:01 2023 No.9887048

>>9887038
>People never lie
Oftentimes I see indies latching onto more successful titles as a form of marketing. Then you play their games and you don't see the claimed influence anywhere.

I have a serious problem with people who can't form an opinion by themselves and instead point to authority. Play the games, form your own opinion, bitch.
>>9887042
So OoT invented 3rd person games now?

Anyways, the fact that it's always the same examples (Dork Souls and GTA, and only because the devs "said so") shows that OoT influence is much overrated and overhyped.

Anonymous Mon May 8 14:00:25 2023 No.9887071

>>9887048
>So OoT invented 3rd person games now?
Care to point any other 3D game that had Z target? Megaman Legends and Tomb Raider's lock-on is completely different (not as advanced) to OOT and Dark Souls' target system.
I don't know about GTA, but I do believe Miyazaki is telling the true, it's evident.
>noooo but... he's lyring just to be nice to Miyamoto!
Headcanon at this point. You just hate the fact a popular game you hate is influential.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 14:04:24 2023 No.9887078 >>9887048 If someone at FROM decided to use OoT as a marketing tool to advertise Demon's Souls they'd probably be killed lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 14:09:55 2023 No.9887092 >>9887071 Come up with any examples where the dev didn't said so. Cmon exercise that free thinking of yours.

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 14:39:00 2023 No.9887168 >>9884809 >This game was demonstrably more influential for the vidya industry than Mario 64 and OoT That's not difficult.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 14:42:10 2023 No.9887172 >>9887071 You are in a cult. Please stop lying and take meds.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 14:47:46 2023 No.9887176 >>9887172 Tbh anti-Nintendo is even a bigger cult on this board

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 15:15:25 2023 No.9887241 >>9887176 Actually the Anti-Sega Cult are bigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 15:16:47 2023 No.9887248 >>9887172 Nintendo makes your blood boil but it's not my problem. Enjoy being a schizo thinking that every dev that mentions they like Nintendo games are "lying".

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 15:19:07 2023 No.9887253 >>9884873 He was though. He just got lazy after Metal Machine Music.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 16:54:13 2023 No.9887430 >>9886492 >MGS has good gameplay i know its not retro so you probably never even played it but so does last of us.

Anonymous Mon May 8 17:08:05 2023 No.9887457

>>9884809
Never really played it. I played the demo disc for snake eater. but anyways, psx was the innovation console and the internet is filled with nintendofag weirdos. in reality for normal people who were there and remember this generation, you could name a million titles more influential.

Anonymous Mon May 8 17:10:18 2023 No.9887459

>>9884809
>This game was demonstrably more influential for the vidya industry than Mario 64 and OoT, and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
Zelda 1.0 and Mario 1.0 were unoriginal clones of shit from 8 bit and 16 bit home computers and and had literally no impact on anything. Most console stuff does not compared to what is happening on machines with keyboards and lags it.

Anonymous Mon May 8 17:12:17 2023 No.9887465

>>9887457
>psx was the innovation console and the internet is filled with nintendofag weirdos
I'd say more the PC but when originality and creativity was happening it was 8/16 bit home computers and PCs and PlayStation 1 and 2s driving it and at the end the 360. Gaming has been pretty dead for the last decade though

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 17:39:49 2023 No.9887503 >>9887001 Meh, I always thought of the map as more of a dungeon crawler roguelike map. In fact there are pretty solid stealth roguelikes that are basically mgs radar. Mujahid comes to mind as a good one(not retro tho)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 20:39:57 2023 No.9887962 >Janny prunes the FF8 thread >Leaves this and the Zelda flamewar up I see...

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 21:21:35 2023 No.9888065 >>9887962 FF8 talk is spamming at this point, no different from the trashure or sega system autist

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 21:25:32 2023 No.9888071 >>9888065 >sega system autist Ironically I think he is in this thread right now. Also that mentally ill Thief spammer is most likely banned, an MGS thread without him feels wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 21:33:17 2023 No.9888087 >>9888065 >trashure Hello, Aussie-kun.

Anonymous Mon May 8 23:46:23 2023 No.9888298

>>9885732
>pretending to be a stealth game
Read the fucking subtitle on the game cover. TACTICAL ESPIONAGE ACTION. MGS had a stealth component, but it's still fairly obvious that, failing that, Snake was expected to go apeshit and take out who ever he needed too.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 23:59:39 2023 No.9888318 >>9888298 >Marketing slogans are genres Gran Turismo is my favorite Real Driving Simulator

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:01:38 2023 No.9888325 >>9886459 Unironically, yes. It was one of the few vidya to do the whole "games as cinema" thing and get it right.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:20:58 2023 No.9888349 >>9888325 It didn't get it right though. Unless you're the kind of guy who thinks Dragon's Lair is a good game

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:33:03 2023 No.9888367 >>9888349 >Unless you're the kind of guy who thinks Dragon's Lair is a good game It is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:36:51 2023 No.9888376 >>9888349 >>9888367 I personally think MGS's structure is much closer to something like Ninja Gaiden or Valis than Dragon's Lair, but I don't think Dragon's Lair was a bad game.

Anonymous Tue May 9 00:39:19 2023 No.9888384

>>9884873
Lou Reed was definitely a good musician and wrote some incredible songs/lyrics. Just because the majority of his discography is dog shit does not make him bad. He was a junkie piece of shit and shit out more music than he should have, but songs like Heroin, Pale Blue Eyes, Charlies Girl there are so many to name. He was good. He was also bad

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