/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9871332]

what's the best non-bullet hell SHMUP in your opinion? (if you have many options, you can give a top 5)

[Anonymous No.9871429]

I'm a big Gunbird fan. I think it's perfect
The entire Gradius series is also very good

[Anonymous No.9871432]

>>9871332
Battle Garegga

[Anonymous No.9871468]

Lol. It's RayForce or Gradius Gaiden/V. Slap Fight MD for Toaplan. But your terminology is fucking gay. Just say "what's the best arcade shooter".

[Anonymous No.9871498]

>>9871332
Truxton

[Anonymous No.9871512]

>>9871332
Lifeforce on NES.

[Anonymous No.9871569]

>>9871332
Ikaruga
Gradius V
Dimahoo
Battle Garegga
Radiant Silvergun

Probably the most objective list we can agree on for non-danmaku. They play great, have varied weapon systems, require lots of strat and have deep scoring unlike your generic retro shmup that is very superficial and bare ones i.e.flying shark, Tatsujin Ou, gradius series, Batsugun, out zone, 1944, Darius series , sonic wings, etc

[Anonymous No.9871574]

>>9871569
>Gradius V
It'd be a decent game if it didn't make you wait several minutes before you can start it.

>Ikaruga
Total classic. Amazing game that I'll never beat legit.

[Anonymous No.9871604]

1941 Counter-Attack
Raiden Fighters
Batsugun
R-Type 3
Einhander

[Anonymous No.9871607]

Twin Bee

[Anonymous No.9871649]

>>9871569
Dima who? I haven't checked that one out yet. I'll have to do that soon.

[Anonymous No.9871857]

>>9871332
Pic not related. Gradius is not a danmaku

[Anonymous No.9871878]

>>9871649
>Dima who?
Doug Dimahoo

[Anonymous No.9871896]

R-Type Final

[Anonymous No.9871912]

>>9871332
Tyrian 2000 which is also the best shmup period.

[Anonymous No.9871921]

Galaga
Gaplus
Galaga '88
Galaga Arrangement
Galaga Arrangement (PSP) (not retro)

[Anonymous No.9871929]

>>9871921
>leaving Galaxian off the list
What are you doing?

[Anonymous No.9871936]

>>9871929
Zoomers gonna zoom

[Anonymous No.9871938]

>>9871929
OP asked for top 5.

[Anonymous No.9871945]

>>9871938
could have left out psp since its not retro

[Anonymous No.9872034]

I have a soft spot for Image Fight and Terra Cresta

[Anonymous No.9872150]

>>9871332
Tatsujin/Truxton (for me, it's the PCE version)
Tyrian 2000
Ikaruga
Gradius Gaiden
Eliminate Down

[Anonymous No.9872231]

Dunno if I'd call it best, but I think this one is pretty underrated, although you could argue it's more of a FPS than a SHMUP.
Pretty sure it was the only licensed game amongst the Famicom Mini set on GBA too.

[Anonymous No.9872234]

>>9871332
top 5 in any order
Thunder Force 4
The Guardian Legend
Space Megaforce
Harmful Park
Any Gradius

[Anonymous No.9872249]

>>9872234
Harmful Park is really good

[Anonymous No.9872267]

>>9871332
Darius Gaiden
R-Type 1
Gradius 1
Hyper Duel
Raiden Fighters Jet

[Anonymous No.9872270]

>>9871432
this

[Anonymous No.9872295]

i like all the parodius stuff

[Anonymous No.9872443]

>>9871332
I love Darius Gaiden and Gradius V aesthetics but my understanding of shmups mechanics is not that good.
Also Gokujou Parodius is great.

[Anonymous No.9872504]

>>9871332
It's hard to say my favorite but out of the many dozens I've played and cleared, the ones I've enjoyed the most are In The Hunt, Out Zone, 1944, Daisenpuu, Batsugun, Sengoku Ace, Sonic Wings, Darius 2, Darius Gaiden, Sapphire, Nexzr, and Batrider.

[Anonymous No.9872748]

The ones I've played the most are Konami shooters like the Gradius, Parodius and Twinbee games. There's just something about old Konami shooters that grabs me.

[Anonymous No.9872762]

Overall? Probably Eschatos.
Pure shmup goodness with a banging FM synth soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.9873091]

>>9871929
Not him but I don’t really like galaxian, at least not right after I’ve played galaga. Is there something I’m missing?

[Anonymous No.9873093]

Defender is one of my favorite games of all time. I guess robotron counts as well
I like Xevious too

[Anonymous No.9873096]

>>9871569
>Ikaruga
>Radiant Silvergun

garbage

[Anonymous No.9873097]

>>9871332
Keio Flying Squadron
Lords of Thunder
Android Assault: Revenge of Bari-Arm
Ginga Fukei Densetsu: Sapphire
Cotton: Fantastic Night Dreams

Honorable mention goes to Super Air Zonk, Cotton 100%, Harmful Park

[Anonymous No.9873757]

>>9871332
Gradius III Arcade
Tatsujin Oh
Same! Same! Same! (1P version)

Peak fun

[Anonymous No.9874014]

>>9873091
>Is there something I’m missing?
No, it's just the original game and it's fun.

[Anonymous No.9874260]

>Galactic Attack/Rayforce/Raystorm etc

>Radiant Silvergun

>Soukyugurentai

>Thunderforce 4

>Section Z

[Anonymous No.9874816]

>>9872234
>>9872249
Yes! I'm not the only one who likes harmful park! (it has also a translation)

[Anonymous No.9874841]

>>9871332
I really enjoy Eco Fighters, Ordyne, the Parodius series, Cho Aniki series and Dimahoo.

[Anonymous No.9874854]

Einhander. THERE WAS A TIME...

[Anonymous No.9874858]

>>9872231
SD Scramble Wars or whatever its called was also a Famicom Mini title.

[Anonymous No.9874859]

>>9871332
Cybattler

[Anonymous No.9874958]

>>9874859
Super underrated game. Most blatant Gundam game without a license along with Hyper Duel and Spriggan MK2. Beam saber slicing is really satisfying.

[Anonymous No.9874989]

>>9871332
galga or galaxians for purity but defender is a close contender but its a side scroller as is r type (bullet spam as is 1942)

[Anonymous No.9875024]

Blazing Lazers.

[Anonymous No.9876251]

>>9873096
Ikaruga is garbage but RSG is top 5 stg easily.

[Anonymous No.9876269]

I adore the Star Solider games on the PC-Engine. The mixture of the incredibly solid shooting with fantastic music is just good shit. Solider Blade is particularly good.

[Anonymous No.9876273]

>>9874854
Definitely my favorite PS1 shooter. I have all the callouts from Hyperion locked in my subconscious.
The atmosphere is so ridiculously good.

[Anonymous No.9876550]

Can someone who's played them rank all the famous NES/Famicom SHMUPs in terms of difficulty, from easiest to hardest?

Lifeforce, Gradius 1/2, Abadox, Sqoon, Parodius, the Hudson games, Uchūkeibitai SDF, etc

[Anonymous No.9876552]

>>9876550
already been done (although I think his console lists are not very accurate imo)

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59651

[Anonymous No.9878959]

Saving the thread from oblivion

[Anonymous No.9878981]

>>9871429
Well, excluding 5.
>>9871332
Border Down
Chaos Field (it's a boss rush)
All Gradius except 5, but ESPECIALLY 3 and Life Force. Parodius is solid as well.
Twinkle Star Sprites, but only if you play 2 player. CPU is too easy to beat.
Raiden DX. All others can be ignored.
Hotdog Storm
Mars Matrix and Giga Wing (not 2) are great, but they might have a few too many bullets onscreen for you. The difference is that you use a shield mechanic and intentionally eat the bullets.
Radirgy. Fucking incredible.
Can't think of anything else. Avoid Irem, Toaplan, Treasure, and Triangle.

[Anonymous No.9878986]

>>9878981
Oh yeah. Darius 2 (finally, a use for ultrawide monitors) and G Darius.

[Anonymous No.9878991]

>best non-bullet hell SHMUP
not retro Graze Counter

[Anonymous No.9879039]

Raiden Fighters is pretty fun

[Anonymous No.9879082]

simple as

[Anonymous No.9879090]

>>9871569
Ikaruga has top tier music and mechanics but the art design sucks. Too sterile and generic.

[Anonymous No.9879112]

>>9879090
One day 1cc. Typical Treasure.

[Anonymous No.9879117]

>>9879082
simple as g

[Anonymous No.9879163]

>>9878981
Toaplan is really great and Irem is decent.

I wonder how many Toaplan games you have actually tried to write off their whole library.

[Anonymous No.9879231]

>>9879163
Just Zero Wing and Out Zone, but they left a bad taste in my mouth. Fuck Irem and fuck R-Type.

[Anonymous No.9879271]

>>9878981
Gradius 5 is awesome

[Anonymous No.9879286]

>>9879271
If you don't like Gradius, it's awesome.

[Anonymous No.9879317]

>>9871429
>The entire Gradius series is also very good
>entire

[Anonymous No.9879329]

>>9879231
Play Batsugun, Hishouzame, Daisenpuu, Tatsujin or Tatsujin Ou, K-Tiger, replay Out Zone. If you can't find a game you like from Toaplan then the genre is just not for you.

[Anonymous No.9879345]

>>9879286
>>9879317
No, son. Irem is awesome and Gradius V is awesome
Nice try, though

[Anonymous No.9879397]

>>9879329
I played these before and this list and this whole thread confirm what I know to be true, non-danmaku shmups are pretty boring and the reason why the genre died, despite Cave giving it life support for a decade

[Anonymous No.9879405]

>>9871332
Darius Gaiden

[Anonymous No.9879427]

>>9871332
UN Squadron

[Anonymous No.9879542]

I can't do it

[Anonymous No.9879560]

>>9873757
post your 1cc replays of those

[Anonymous No.9879564]

>>9878981
This technically goes against the topic, but I love how Milestone and Takumi games throw lots of bullets at you but also give you a way out, and that makes the core of the gameplay.

[Anonymous No.9879575]

>got Gunbird 1 and 2 on Steam
My first experience with Psikyo and it's a nightmare. How can anyone even dodge a fast barrage of bullets? I can barely beat Stage 5 in Gunbird 1 because the bullets are too fast on Normal.

[Anonymous No.9879613]

>>9879575
you have to memorize a route, you're not going to get far in shmups, specially psikyo shmups, by reaction dodging like a retard.
you need a plan for each stage after stage 4...

so find a 1cc or 2all replay on youtube and copy it

[Anonymous No.9879674]

>>9879575
Start making notes. Psikyo stuff is pretty easy, so keeping notes of bullet patterns with mnemonics and diagrams is simpler than more difficult games. It's good practice.

[Anonymous No.9879738]

>>9879575
most Psikyo games are very memo-heavy, you basically tap dodge at the good timing or use safespots at the right time (+ get in position to kill enemies quickly during stages), but hardest part is getting that timing down since it can be very tight
As scary as they look, if you were very good you could pretty much do most Psikyo bosses blindfolded in theory because there isn't that much randomness.

[Anonymous No.9879785]

>>9871332
Either by art or concepts

Einhander
UN Squadron
Metaphlist
Bio Hazard
Steel Empire
Macross Scrambled Valkyrie

Not retro (and has bullet hell), but I liked a lot Monolith. It's an indie shooter-roguelite hybrid

[Anonymous No.9880972]

>>9879674
>Psikyo stuff is pretty easy,
Lmao what

[Anonymous No.9881028]

when I load save states for Sokyugurentai Mame crashes and I get this error. How do I fix this shit

damn mame is so shitty, I dont't want to play this in retroarch tell me how to fix this NOW

[Anonymous No.9881258]

>>9881028
Just use mednafen. It runs the game flawlessly.

[Anonymous No.9882328]

>Gradius II stage 6
>first time playing
>managed to get Missile, Double, 4 Options and a Shield
>>weird, the scrolling stopped and the screen remains empty for what feels an eternity
>mid boss appears from the LEFT side of the screen
>OH SHI-

That hurt

[Anonymous No.9882390]

Rayforce, Battle Garegga or Gokujou Parodius, those are the traditional shmups i played the most
>>9879397
Hey a Cave cuck in the wild, are you sure it wasn't making every shmup colored a hue of purple with zero level design the reason why shmups died?

[Anonymous No.9882434]

>>9871332
Thunder force IV
Musha
Axelay
Gate of Thunder
Gradius Gaiden

[Anonymous No.9882435]

>>9874854
Based
One of my favorites of all time.

[Anonymous No.9882437]

>>9871332
Boogie Wings

[Anonymous No.9882460]

RayForce is correct.
>>9880972
You just gotta accept that the zoomers on this board make up shit as they go along. "I saw a Mark MSX video on psykiooo I'm an expert".

[Anonymous No.9882513]

>>9880972
Just memorize the bullet patterns (that change in speed and density depending on the dynamic difficulty) bro

[Anonymous No.9882647]

It's demo day on agdg(amateur game dev in /vg), and we have a few shmups for you to shit on:

https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-50/rate/1890723

https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-50/rate/2054176

https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-50/rate/1777996

[Anonymous No.9882784]

so I've been (re)playing a lot of NES SHMUPs and I think this is genuinely one of the better ones.

It's pretty short, only 5 stages, and enemies/bullet patterns aren't always the most original, but the game really shines with all its other mechanics which gives a fresh spin on the formula: being able to face your character both towards the left and right, the option modules that rotate around the player and which you can manually stop to direct fire, scrolling which can change direction during a level, and the "1 life but you have a life bar" thing.

That and it has some really cool levels like the space elevator, or the entire level that has you going all around an enormous battleship.

Funny people say the SHMUPs formula has done to death and you can't do anything new with it, but then games like this just makes me wonder.. is it really? Or were devs just not trying hard enough?

[Anonymous No.9883031]

viewpoint on MVS/AES for me. Such a gem.

[Anonymous No.9883058]

>>9871332
I'm a sucker for Tatsujin 1 + 2. They define what retro shmups are for me. Great graphics, music and tough but beatable gameplay. Toaplan all the way.

[Anonymous No.9883172]

Any of you like the super mash needed to have a functioning weapon in the first two Raiden games?

[Anonymous No.9883935]

>>9872034
Do try Dangar UFO Robo then, if you haven't already. Admittedly the TC theme has the edge but Dangar is basically an upgraded version of it

[Anonymous No.9883948]

>>9879397
>non-danmaku shmups are pretty boring and the reason why the genre died, despite Cave giving it life support for a decade
/vr/bros… is this true? I thought danmaku were only for complete weebs and 40%-ers. good shmups usually kick my ass though, so I don't know about "boring".

[Anonymous No.9883951]

No SNK fans here?
Try Alpha Mission 2. Don't have to be that good to play, unless you want the best armour of course.

[Anonymous No.9883962]

>>9883948
>muh boring
That anon is a retarded zoomer and his opinions can be safely discarded.

[Anonymous No.9884387]

>>9883948
The problem was compound. Doom and fps stole the wind from shmups, and the genre never adapted their design from arcade(6 stages 1.1h max) to console(saves etc).
Then 3d arrived and shmups were super ded.

[Anonymous No.9885316]

>>9871332

[Anonymous No.9886375]

>>9884387
>Doom and fps stole the wind from shmups
what?

[Anonymous No.9886661]

>>9871429
>The entire Gradius series is also very good
4 was pretty uninspired.

[Anonymous No.9886670]

>>9871332
For me it's RayForce/LayerSection/Gunlock/Galactic Attack