Chrono Trigger sidequests

[Anonymous No.9867265]

So I've been playing through Chrono Trigger finally which first off I'll say I think does actually live up to the almost 30 years of hype.

But anyway, I'm near the end of the game and trying to decide which sidequests to do. I liked it enough the plan is to unlock new game+ and go through it again doing all the sidequests, different endings etc. But mainly I started playing it because I wanted to replay Chrono Cross but decided to finally give Trigger another go first. So right now I mostly want to beat it quickly but would like to see the DS exclusive content that connects them in this playthrough if possible. I'm planning my final party as Chrono, Robo, Marle so will do those two quests for sure, but how much more sidequesting/grinding should I expect if I want to tackle the DS stuff? I'm trying to decide if it's worth going for on this playthrough or waiting till NG+ when I really dig into anything.

Also general Chrono thread I guess. Any thoughts welcome.

[Anonymous No.9867346]

There isn't really anything challenging in the Lost Sanctum quests, just a bit tedious.
The bosses in the Dimensional Vortex can be a little challenging but not that bad.

[Anonymous No.9867351]

all the DS extra content feels like some fan made hack bullshit, none of it is fun and it's all just tedious like this anon >>9867346 said

[Anonymous No.9867364]

>>9867351
>>9867346
Cool thanks, I don't mind if it's a little tedious since I'm far from sick of the game so far and will be taking a break after that anyways.

[Anonymous No.9867370]

snes original or get the fuck off my planet

[Anonymous No.9867375]

>>9867370
To be fair, I used to have a copy of it but sold off my snes and games ages ago. I've heard people say the DS version sucks, but why is that?

[Anonymous No.9867382]

>>9867370
based

[Anonymous No.9867385]

>>9867375
Maybe you should go back in time and stop the sale

[Anonymous No.9867423]

>>9867385
I could buy another cart and a Snes if I actually wanted to, or boot it up in an emulator but so far the version I've been playing has been fine and convenient on the dsxl. What's bad about it?

[Anonymous No.9868060]

>>9867265
Replace Marle with Ayla. You do not need two fucking healers.

[Anonymous No.9868064]

>>9868060
guaranteed steal tho...

[Anonymous No.9868072]

>>9867265
>Also general Chrono thread I guess. Any thoughts welcome.
How's the PSX version of Chrono Trigger?

[Anonymous No.9868074]

>>9868072
Slow load times

[Anonymous No.9868075]

>>9868072
shit in every single way compared to the snes version except it has FMVs for a couple of points in the game

cd spin up loading before each fight

[Anonymous No.9868080]

>>9868075
Yeah, I recommend just watching the animated scenes on the internet
They repeat the animations of the sprites anyway

[Anonymous No.9868086]

>>9868074
>>9868075
alright, good enough. I'll avoid that version then.

[Anonymous No.9868210]

>>9868072
Untainted by Nintendo fingers

[Anonymous No.9869071]

>>9867346
Lost Sanctum is moderately challenging if you do it all in one shot (which is possible), the bosses actually do give you some level of difficulty. But then after that you're overleveled to hell with endgame gear. So not for a first playthrough
Otherwise the Vortexes appears after you've beaten it and you're never getting anything good from the Arena due to the stupid time limit

[Anonymous No.9869343]

>>9867423
>What's bad about it?
you do realize which board you're on

[Anonymous No.9869701]

>>9868075
You know he's just gonna emulate it though

[Anonymous No.9869842]

>>9867265

[Anonymous No.9869843]

>>9869701
do you think that some how changes the loading time?

[Anonymous No.9869983]

>>9869343
I'm actually genuinely curious. I have heard the DS version get shit on a lot here over the years, but never paid attention cause I hadn't really played it. So other than the extra content being lackluster I just wondering what's bad about it.

>>9869843
Not him, but yes it would. The emulator just reads the whole thing as one file so it's not loading from the disk all the time. I tried CT on the PSX back then and it was like torture.

[Anonymous No.9869991]

>>9869983
You lose a few pixels because the DS top screen is shorter than the snes resolution I think.
That's about it

[Anonymous No.9870005]

>>9869991
Lolercopter, if that's the main gripe it actually wouldn't surprise me. Either way, glad I finally played it.

[Anonymous No.9870051]

>>9869983
DS is actually the best version. The only one that shits on it is that one autist who samefags every Chrono thread because he can't handle the fact that Guile is Magus. DS has the best of all versions.
>No load times
>PSX cutscenes
>Extra post game content that better connects the games in line with the developers original intent
It's the definitive version and the touch screen option makes it ideal for emulating on your phone

[Anonymous No.9871041]

>>9870051
That's what it seemed like to me, kinda funny how one loud guy on here can try to shift perceptions if they're persistent.

[Anonymous No.9871104]

>>9870051
>>9869983
You also get maps on bottom screen
A re-translation
The PSX (I think, never touched that ver) museum menu, which has music menu, artwork, unlocked ending list, jukebox, etc
Downside is music is extremely slightly different sounding for some track. You might not even notice it
You can ignore the extra content, but I highly recommend anyone to not touch the Lost Sanctum on a first playthrough

[Anonymous No.9871106]

>>9870051
>>9870051
The screen crunch and the reduced music quality is reason enough to never touch it. The fact that you faggots are talking about emulating on phones and 'shifting perceptions' is glowing evidence that you're trolling. Fuck off and die.

[Anonymous No.9871152]

>>9871106
Well on the DSxl which I'm playing it on I think the game looks quite nice. Certainly better than it did on my shitty tv back when I first tried it.

Same actually goes for sound. I didn't play the game back then because my hate fir Toriyama was too strong, but I've always loved the music and had the soundtrack on disk. I can hear a slight difference between these and the cd audio, but not much abd frankly it's also better than it would have sounded coming from my old tv since I played the fuck out of FF6 and listened to that soundtrack constantly as well.

[Anonymous No.9871160]

>>9871152
You playing on a 7" camping TV as a kid doesn't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.9871257]

>>9871160
And your opinion is more relevant because.... ?

[Anonymous No.9871330]

>>9871257
Because you're a trolling tourist faggot pushing handheld remakes for the millionth time.

[Anonymous No.9871342]

>>9871330
So me simply playing a game and enjoying it is trolling just because it's not the specific version you prefer? What the fuck is wrong with you? Grow up.

[Anonymous No.9871353]

>>9871342
>kinda funny how one loud guy on here can try to shift perceptions if they're persistent
You were very obviously projecting when you typed this. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.9871439]

>>9871152
>I didn't play the game back then because my hate fir Toriyama was too strong
why would you hate one of japan's greatest illustrators

[Anonymous No.9871470]

>>9871439
He's a tourist faggot.

[Anonymous No.9871605]

>>9867265
>DS exclusive content that connects them in this playthrough if possible.
It doesn't do that. You have to really make a stretch to say there's a Chrono Cross connection. If anything, it's part of the hypothetic Chrono Break tease that Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition continued.
Play the DS version for the retranslation and maybe the Dimensional Vortex, avoid everything else it adds.

[Anonymous No.9871832]

>>9871439
Grow the fuck up, seriously. You're telling me to go kill myself over me not playing the version of Chrono Trigger you insist on but I'm the one trolling? You're pathetic

>>9871470
I've been here longer than you, kiddo.

>>9871605
I'm actually fine with that, if anything it's funny because in finally playing it I've found Trigger much more like Cross than I expected it would have been given talk over the years. If there were more connective bits in the extra content that's cool but I find the games already feel connected. It's all been good so far from my experience.

[Anonymous No.9872027]

>>9871257
It's me

[Anonymous No.9872137]

>>9871106
cope lmao

[Anonymous No.9872492]

>>9871832
>You're telling me to go kill myself over me not playing the version of Chrono Trigger you insist on but I'm the one trolling
bro what the fuck all i did was fucking ask why you hated toriyama lmfao

[Anonymous No.9872516]

>>9869983
>The emulator just reads the whole thing as one file so it's not loading from the disk all the time. I tried CT on the PSX back then and it was like torture.
The emulator still emulates a x1 cd load speed retard, it would only be slightly faster because its reading from a file but still slow.

Unless you changed the load speed in the emu or use fast forward, it's still gonna be slow as balls in the emu.

[Anonymous No.9872585]

>>9872492
Lol that was meant for >>9871353
Anyways, for starters he has very little range, so like other cartoonists such as a Jim Davis or Gary Larson, everything looks kind of the same. Then on top of it I think his base looks super ugly. That's just personal though, I know many loves his work and that's cool.

[Anonymous No.9872604]

>>9872585
>comparing Toriyama to Jim Davis
You're very obviously a Something Awful goon/twitter/kike in general. It isn't even up for debate. The entire world would improve if you died.

[Anonymous No.9872678]

>>9872604
Meow, someone is salty tonight. But no, I never cared for Something Awful and have never used Twitter. I'm just pointing out he's more of a cartoonist than an artist and I think the one style he chooses to work in is ugly.

[Anonymous No.9872689]

>>9872678
>Meow

[Anonymous No.9872776]

>>9871106
And there he is lmao. Guile is Magus, suck it

[Anonymous No.9872961]

>>9872689
I call 'em like like I see 'em.

[Anonymous No.9873045]

>>9867265
The original ones are given to you by the Old Man in the End of Time. The ones added later, not created by the original team, are the ones in that red time vortex. These, not only are badly designed, but they'll give you items that really, really break the game.

The ones given to you by the Old Man are really important and later part of the game. Don't skip them.

[Anonymous No.9873048]

>>9870051
>better connects the games in line with the developers original intent
what do you mean? CC and Radical Dreamers are not made by the same team, just one of the writers.

[Anonymous No.9873094]

>>9871832
>fuck CRTs
looks like someone has a piece of shit

[Anonymous No.9873204]

>>9873048
Kato wrote all 3 games, so his intent is all that matters at the end of the day

[Anonymous No.9873283]

>>9873094
I took that pic as a joke. I have always hated CRTs though and that one was particularly shitty. It was my wife's and I only kept it around for Saturn games. I really just reposted here to point out I really give zero fucks about the "screen crunch" that one anon was whining about. Chrono Trigger on DSxl looks and sounds better than it does on most CRTs anyways.

[Anonymous No.9873291]

>>9873283
further proving my post

[Anonymous No.9873295]

Usually in the post game stuff I do it on a repeat playthrough, but I couldn't put Chrono Trigger down. Did everything I could find before beating it. Loved it.

[Anonymous No.9873959]

>>9873283
As I've posted in way too many CRT threads over the years, I have seen plenty of them from tiny shit ones to extremely good ones and I've never liked them flat out. I kept the shitty one for Saturn just to play the games, I wasn't ever going to bother getting a "good" one for that purpose. I was just waiting till Saturn emulation wasn't garbage anymore and no longer have any of that stuff.

On topic, even with screen crunch I think CT on a DSxl looks better than it ever did on any CRT. But that's me, I hate everything about them.

[Anonymous No.9874160]

>>9873204
He wrote only the Zeal part in CT.
While Schalla indeed was left open, he wasn't the only one that should have input in this.

I'll never understand why they didn't bring Akira Toriyama back.

[Anonymous No.9874226]

>>9874160
Yeah but Zeal probably has the bulk of the lore

[Anonymous No.9874456]

>>9874226
Yeah the Zeal section is what explains the world structure and what's actually going on.

[Anonymous No.9874467]

>>9870051 not that anon but
Guile is inot magus. From the directors mouth himself . Canceled idea

This isnt open to debate even. It’s canon

[Anonymous No.9874789]

>>9874160
idk why people think horii, sakaguchi and the co-director didn't have any input or editing power at all on what kato wrote

[Anonymous No.9874825]

>>9874160
was too busy working on DQVII

[Anonymous No.9874834]

>>9871832
Damn son, your CRT is not in good shape at all.

[Anonymous No.9874872]

chrono trigger sucks. the reasons people like it at all (if they even really do) are the reasons it sucks. it's notable from a design perspective because of how far they stretched the paradigm of a console rpg before breaking it. things like:
>a focus on deemphasizing player agency and strategy in favor of narrative set pieces
>a comparatively very modern idea that is leveraged by games like the last of us (which are also shit)
>a brusque pacing is facilitated by low difficulty, low player agency, and a lack of any real exploration or side activities
>this pacing is important because the focus of the piece (i cringe even calling this thing a game) is on the fast paced spectacle based narrative, and bogging the player down with -gameplay- would shatter the illusion
it is quite intentionally an rpg designed for people who don't like rpgs. it's an anti-rpg and an anti-game, and it is masterfully crafted to that end. i personally find it revolting. the only reason it has such a mystical reverence in the western gaming sphere is because of its incessant shilling by early games media, and subsequently by those early readers and forum goers, in an attempt to establish authenticity and clout. it echoes books like infinite jest and ulysses which are considered works of genius by people who have not read them. my evidence for this is that chrono games sell like shit, and chrono merch sells like shit. people bemoan se for not making plastic frogs and maguses, but in reality they would never buy them because they don't love this "game" or even the story, they just love how good it feels to put it in a top 10 or a 3v3 and imagine people thinking they have great taste.

[Anonymous No.9874912]

>>9874834
RCA is absolute bottom of the barrel, no wonder he hates CRTs.

[Anonymous No.9875035]

>>9874467
An idea so cancelled they brought it back
The final game still has hints of it, but they mostly cancelled the reveal and event surrounding it because it would mean that you'd be mostly stuck with the "canon" team (Serge, Kid, Guile) if you really want to see all relevant cutscenes and ignores everyone else and that's actually a sane thought. Obviously getting rid of the billions characters would be better, but they had to do it in this case

[Anonymous No.9875072]

>>9874467
>Still coping this hard over 20 years later
Kek. He is absolutely Magus and always was from the first stages of development. They simply didn't include confirmation in the final release so as not to overshadow the other characters. Cope and seethe, it's absolutely canon

[Anonymous No.9875110]

>nooooo Magus can't be Guile because I killed him in my non-canon playthrough! Frog has to turn human and fuck queen Leene nooooooo! Now I can't receive validation for my headcanon from anonymous strangers on the internet noooo
Oh nonono frogfag sisters how can we ever recover from this?

[Anonymous No.9875112]

>>9874872
>a lack of any real exploration or side activities

He says this about a game with 12 different endings depending on where you explore when and what side activities you do. Please do tell us what your favorite 16 bit jrpg is.

[Anonymous No.9875171]

>>9875112
>one million endings!!!
how many endings does it have when you subtract
>palette swap endings that are barely different from eachother
>joke endings
>obvious bad endings that you have to intentionally try for
tell me because i'm really curious

[Anonymous No.9875173]

>>9875035
>>9875072
Gil/Magil was replaced with Arf/Guile early in development. They were never intended to be the same - Guile exists BECAUSE they knew they couldn't do Magus justice. No "reveal" was ever planned for the character known as Guile. They cut ties to Magus when they changed his name from his Radical Dreamers counterpart.

[Anonymous No.9875218]

>>9870051
>Guile is Magus
This isn't true no matter how much you want it to be

[Anonymous No.9875279]

>>9875171
It still has 12 endings. Why won't you tell me your favorite jrpg?

[Anonymous No.9875640]

>>9875173
>>9875218
>Raffs in Masato Kato
Bro all they did was change the name, and they didn't even change it for the international release. No matter what sort of mental gymnastics you apply to the situation, Guile/Arufu is Magus. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.9875734]

>>9868060
Who plays with guys in the party unless you into being gay

[Anonymous No.9875751]

>>9868074
Not on the Japanese version.

[Anonymous No.9875993]

>>9875640
>they didn't even change it for the international release.
Literally untrue, and even if you accept the theory, there's a difference between "Magus in disguise" and what for all intents and purposes is a whole new person born from the mental husk of an alternate version Magus (which I'm willing to accept only to explain why he doesn't seem to also exist in Home World).

[Anonymous No.9876190]

>>9875640
Not them, but be wouldn't really be the Magus from Chrono Trigger depending on the ending that happens. Janus only turns into the Magus we know from that game after being sucked into the time warp. Depending on which realities Chrono Cross shufts between, Janus may or may not have ever turned into the demon king Magus.

[Anonymous No.9876452]

>>9876190
This. He's specifically -not- our Magus.

[Anonymous No.9876709]

Steam version or modded snes version with the DS translation is better. Anyone who pretends the snes script was better is an unironic nostalgiafat boomertard whose life is trash and should be killed immediately

[Anonymous No.9876724]

>>9867265
So how is chrono trigger plus?

[Anonymous No.9876795]

>>9874872
I unironically agree with this. I despise all the famous 16-bit and 32-bit Square RPGs like FFVI and Chrono Trigger because they just don't let you PLAY them. You're always being pushed from one scripted event to another and swapping from character to character. There's almost no emergent gameplay at all. My favourite 16-bit RPG is Phantasy Star 2 (NOT PSIV) because you can select your own party, name your party members, and determine your own objectives within the constraints of the map. There are no "sidequests" in PS2 because you create your own side quests, e.g. you decide to fast level up Shir by soloing dungeons with her to get her stealing skill up. Or you decide you have to have a shotgun for Rudo before you even try and tackle the next dungeon so you spend hours hunting Locusta in close proximity to Zema.

[Anonymous No.9876835]

>>9876795
sounds lame af lmao

[Anonymous No.9877073]

>>9876724
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5938236/

[Anonymous No.9877857]

>>9875279
>more endings means it's better
retarded fallacy, what are you 10
>cowardly avoiding my query about ending diversity
i accept your concession

[Anonymous No.9878120]

>>9877857
yaaaiiight booiy leeearnin

[Anonymous No.9878186]

>>9876795
>emergent gameplay in JRPGs
>you can choose how to grind
Sounds about right

[Anonymous No.9878193]

>>9876795
you must love dq1 then

[Anonymous No.9878201]

>>9873045
>they'll give you items that really, really break the game
You speak as if this game had any sort of difficulty before the inclusion of those items to begin with. What a dumb thing to imply.

[Anonymous No.9878636]

>>9877857
You claimed there were no exploration or side activities as one of your reasons why it's such a terrible jrpg. I simply pointed out it does have a bunch of exploration and side activities part of which lets you beat the game in 12 different ways.

Most telling though is you made this huge rant about how shitty Chrono Trigger is as a jrpg and you still steadfastly refuse to mention the one you think is best. So are you going to? Or just avoid it again?

[Anonymous No.9879816]

>>9878193
I've not played it. Suspect I'd like the gameplay and grind but hate the banal fantasy plot

[Anonymous No.9880357]

>>9879816
There's really little if any required grinding in DQ1. It's just boring as fuck with one character who has completely pre-determined stats and spells. It's really just hitting attack 98% of the game and occasionally healing then tossing the odd spell at a boss for the sake of variety. Beating FF1 with a lone fighter is both more challenging and interesting.

[Anonymous No.9880413]

>>9868072
>>9868074
I played and beat the FF Chronicles version of Chrono Trigger, it's fine those guys that complain about the longer load times are bitches lol

Use that time to sip your beer. Open the menu less, you don't have to heal after every encounter, see how many fights you can go through before healing.

Ps2 has optical out. Do your ears a favor and play it on ps2, Chrono Trigger's soundtrack sounds so much better than on SNES.

[Anonymous No.9880438]

>>9879816
Oh you gotta play DQ1, it's legendary. It's short compared to everything that came out afterward but it's a very fun RPG and well worth trying. I beat the GBC version, and I remember having a lot of fun exploring the world and finding towns.

[Anonymous No.9880519]

>>9878193
>>9879816
I don't think ge would like it from what he's described. It's extremely linear, there is almost no real exploration. There's zero strategy of any kind, the game hands you every ability so you never have to choose. And there is all of one sidequest in the entire thing. For a guy who bitched that much about Chrono Trigger not having enough side content, DQ1 would send him into a fit of apoplexy.

[Anonymous No.9880659]

>>9878201
It's balanced to be easy, but not broken.

[Anonymous No.9880817]

I still love the game but as the years go by, the fact there isn't a hard mode for New Game+ becomes more and more criminal.

[Anonymous No.9880831]

>>9867265
I hope you now recognize how fucking garbage useless shit Chrono cross is

[Anonymous No.9881059]

>>9874912
Like I say, Ive seen plenty of supposedlg good CRTs, the friend who's been bugging me to play Chrono Trigger all these years used to be obsessed with them. I just don care, they all look like shit.

>>9880831
Actually it made me both love Chrono Trigger and realize it really is one of the best rpgs of it's era, but now having finished it and moved on to replaying Chrono Cross Iike that game even more as well. I always liked CC, but I feel like it all makes more sense now and I'm surprised how much more similar the games are than I was lead to believe.

[Anonymous No.9881318]

>>9881059
>Like I say, Ive seen plenty of supposedlg
Oooga booga. Dipshit spic.

[Anonymous No.9881676]

>>9881318
Ohh look, some random racism because of a typo! How unsurprising.

[Anonymous No.9881775]

>>9867265
I always felt like a retard in JRPGs because I never do side quests. I need like an in game quest journal or something for me to even consider doing them.

[Anonymous No.9881830]

>>9878636
>hitting ending flags in memory is side content!
cope dummy
>tell me the real good games!
not an argument. also a piggie begging for pearls is just too on the nose man.
>>9878193
not him but dq1 is based. its design is so importantly foundational that it should be a point of study at jrpg university.
>>9880519
ah yes, dq1, the totally linear game. is this is really poorly researched larp or are you this stupid?

[Anonymous No.9881896]

>>9881830
You spend all your time shitting on a game for reasons that don't even make sense. You say it's the worst jrpg of all time but are too cowardly to mention even one game you think is better.

Then there's this gem
>>9879816
>I've not played it.
>>9881830
>ah yes, dq1, the totally linear game. is this is really poorly researched larp or are you this stupid?

Yes. Dragon Quest 1 is very linear and has a whopping one sidequest. Want to know how I know? Because I've played the fucking game you incompetent troll.

[Anonymous No.9882402]

>>9881896
big oof there my guy. i've played ct even though it barely counts as a game.
>dq1 is linear
it's 50% an ultima 1-like my dude. on the gradient of linearity it's almost maxing out the needle. you're chronically stupid buddy

[Anonymous No.9882887]

>>9882402
Either way, I don't know how you can not see DQ1 as being as painfully linear and straightforward as it is. Anyone who's complaints about Chrono Trigger are that it's too linear and doesn't have any exploration or side activities certainly shouldn't be trying to hold up that as a good comparison.

But here we are, you bitch and bitch and act superior for calling CT shit but you're still too cowardly to mention even a single game you think is better. And we all know why.

[Anonymous No.9882940]

can't believe my sarcastic post about dq1 spiraled into this shitshow

[Anonymous No.9883020]

>>9882887
straightforward and linear are not synonyms my sweet ESL-kun. you are clinically dumb my good chum, just a grade A paste eater through and through

[Anonymous No.9883693]

>>9876452
>>9876190

That one literally replaces the other. You niggers are so dumb it's unreal

[Anonymous No.9883853]

>>9883693
Dude, no one cares about LiteralWho!Magus. "Ah, but he's A Magus!" No one cares about THAT Magus. He's the most inconsequential one. He's less important than the chump version of Magus that historically failed in the Middle Ages pre-party. We don't even know anything about him other than the fact that he's definitely not THE Magus that we come to know throughout our Chrono Trigger playthrough, which is what this is always simplified to in fan discourse. So pipe down, it doesn't matter if THAT Magus became Guile, it's only one possible storyline for the character that's another dead end. He's on par with the version of him that shows up in the Radical Dreamers Edition bonus ending in that he is meaningless corporate fan service explicitly designed to tickled the 'tisms.

[Anonymous No.9883874]

>>9870051
>with the developers original intent
Citation needed.

[Anonymous No.9883876]

>>9879816
Then I suggest you to play this game called Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.9883925]

>>9883874
>citation needed
Nigger why are you even here if you don't know the most basic shit?