/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9864880]

>nooo you have to play retro games on a real CRT or else you aren't getting the true experience!
>and it has to be the best crt ever! what's your dot pitch?? what do you mean you don't have a $2000 trinitron?? guys should I get a PVM???
>how dare you use that shader! that isn't what the games really looked like! muh developer intended!

>meanwhile, how I experienced retro games:

[Anonymous No.9864881]

I don't even emulate on my trinitron clone because it doesn't look right.

[Anonymous No.9865140]

This board definitely looks at CRTs through far too-rose colored glasses. Growing up going through a new CRT practically every other year was a nonstop struggle to get one that was "even better" than the one before it, sharper picture, better color tone, flatter tube, less distortion, brighter picture, more settings, etc etc etc. The CRTs we had were NEVER good enough- we were constantly desperate for tricks to make it look better, slamming that degauss button, scanning the sales ads for the next hot model to offer a marginally, infinitesimally improved picture. So it wasn't with much regret at all when 98% of society moved on to LCDs when the technology proved to be cheaper, smaller, more manageable, and above all featured a sharpness CRTs could only dream about. Yeah, we lost a bit of that rustic analog "charm" they had for old video games, but it's not as if people were really enjoying it while they had it. So the utter cultishness behind them and the insistence that there is only one specific Platonic "right way" to play these old games, when the vast majority of time the vast majority of people were using televisions that looked like goddamn dogwater, is ridiculous.
Play shit however you want, it's fine, but there's nothing special about trying to return to a time we were all trying to escape from.

[Anonymous No.9865143]

>you didnt beat the game
>you didnt play the game
>muh developers intent
>ya disagree? you zoomie zoom zoom
its a different kind of autism on /vr/. remember that in real life none of that matters and if they said any of this stupid shit people would walk away from them and theyd remain friendless.

[Anonymous No.9865150]

>>9865143
And now there's an entire generation of people who think retro games don't work at all on a modern TV, when you're literally only losing light gun games (and iirc there's even a fix for that)

[Anonymous No.9865165]

>>9864880
you really got to be a clueless buffoon if you can't get a decent CRT under $50; PVMs are great, but worth only if you got a street deal for them, at which someday you might come around if you are putting the hours hunting retrovidya (not worthwhile otherwise)

[Anonymous No.9865169]

>nooo you have to play retro games on a real CRT or else you aren't getting the true experience!
Correct. Retards who fall for the pvmeme deserve to get scammed tho

[Anonymous No.9865292]

>>9865140
>Play shit however you want, it's fine, but there's nothing special about trying to return to a time we were all trying to escape from.
This is how I feel about CRT's too. They were fine at the time but it's not really something I want to go back to. They're cumbersome to carry and store with little actual screen real estate. Would rather just use a nice CRT filter on my 42" that I picked up last year.

>>9865165
Even at five dollars they are barely worth it anon, that's probably around the price I paid for my last one, it works fine I just never really have a use for it. Only the portable ones like pic related are kind of cute

[Anonymous No.9865306]

>>9864880
>Machine on top of the TV
Seems like a bad idea but it probably made sense at the time.
Did you put machines on top of the telly, bros? What did you put up there instead?

[Anonymous No.9865432]

The main reason why console PAL games got fucked speed and aspect ratio is exactly because of shitty TVs. And it definitely does NOT play as the devs intended.

[Anonymous No.9865437]

>>9865143
I've said it before but there's a lot of people out there who just emulate on their laptop or some shit, using the arrow keys and z/x/c/v on their keyboard, and play 10-20x a year what the faggots on here play. They're genuinely enjoying the game, versus constant discussion of *how* to play or consume games. It becomes an oroborous of constantly trying to get that slight edge of authenticity to before you know it you've spent a whole year talking about tinkering on games and played maybe 3-5. At some point you have to ask if getting this wound up about videogames is worth it.

[Anonymous No.9865446]

>>9864880
this is the proper authentic 80s experience. Heh sorry zoomies but you will never get it

[Anonymous No.9865451]

>>9865446
I don't know what to call these "posters" or whatever, but they have got to be some of the most soulless trash I've ever seen and I see them everywhere what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.9865474]

I play retro games.
With an emulator.
In an IPS screen without filters.
And I use savestates.

And I regret nothing because I play to have fun, not to pretend I'm some kind of expert.

[Anonymous No.9865515]

>>9865150
Let them, should lower prices.

[Anonymous No.9865517]

>>9865306
It was very common but I never liked the cords hanging in front of the screen...

[Anonymous No.9865526]

>>9864880
>and it has to be the best crt ever! what's your dot pitch?? what do you mean you don't have a $2000 trinitron?? guys should I get a PVM???
no one says this, we literally say to find something cheap or free
>>9865140
>This board definitely looks at CRTs through far too-rose colored glasses
nope, games and SD content just look better on them

[Anonymous No.9865568]

>>9865446
>>9865451
The image tries too hard with all awkwardly posed memberberries.
>Heh sorry zoomies
Faggotry & poser

[Anonymous No.9865570]

>>9865568
what date is this? how is Mission Impossible that low?

[Anonymous No.9865592]

>>9865568
$15 for deja vu is a good deal

[Anonymous No.9865663]

>>9865570
>>9865592
Somewhere around 1990/1991. I assume everything was marked down bc the snes release was around the corner and obv easter sale. Adjust inflation and Deja Vu is $33.61 and Mission Impossible is $38.10

[Anonymous No.9865669]

>>9865140
>Growing up going through a new CRT practically every other year
What the fuck were you doing to your tvs?

[Anonymous No.9865687]

>>9865140
>Switch on a CRT
I thought I was the only one insane enough to do that. You should try playing the Live A Live remake that way, it looks amazing. Too bad the aspect ratio is a little fucked.

[Anonymous No.9865693]

>>9865143
>remember that in real life none of that matters and if they said any of this stupid shit people would walk away from them and theyd remain friendless.
That's just 4chan in general

[Anonymous No.9865717]

>>9865140
>Play shit however you want, it's fine, but there's nothing special about trying to return to a time we were all trying to escape from.
Where do you think you are?

>>9865143
Yes people who make a hobby out of things like retro games care more about fine details than someone with a mere passing interest. Hope you enjoyed your stay.

[Anonymous No.9865738]

The idea that someone would pay as much for a crt as a 240 Hz oled is hilarious to me

Next year we will have 480 Hz oleds and 5000+ nit mini LEDs

Let go of the retarded past you faggot

[Anonymous No.9865753]

>9865738
low quality bait

[Anonymous No.9865789]

>>9865451
people post them on /vr/ because the obviously soulless nostalgia pandering easily baits people

[Anonymous No.9865810]

>>9864880
No one actually gives a shit what you play on. This is all your own insecurity making up people who are mad at you for things that in reality mean nothing to anyone but yourself and the baiting shitposters you fall for.

[Anonymous No.9865814]

>>9865669
Looking for better ones, because we hated how they looked. CRTs were not great. You think they were, but they were not.

[Anonymous No.9865819]

>>9865738
>oled
have they solved the burn-in in 6 months problem yet

[Anonymous No.9865820]

>>9865810
>No one actually gives a shit what you play on.
Hello newfriend. Enjoy your time on /vr/. You've clearly never lurked here.

[Anonymous No.9865831]

>>9865143
In real life people don't get adversarial and defensive over anyone's investment in a hobby. If you plainly explain to a modern gamer that old games play well with less latency on a CRT they'll just nod or shrug and accept that you know what you're talking about.
It's weird insecure internet dweebs like you that want to sit and cry about it. Ironically probably because you're the only friendless loser here and you need some sort of meaningless validation from strangers and internet arguments that your casual placement in the autistic hobby spectrum is the correct one.

[Anonymous No.9865836]

>>9865820
Been here for 5 years. You're just letting disingenuous shitposts get in your head. Grow up and learn to stop engaging with bait.

[Anonymous No.9865837]

>>9865836
>Been here for 5 years.
Pffthahaha. Ok anon. Come on. Have a little respect for the intelligence of the group you're trying to join.

[Anonymous No.9865838]

>>9865831
didnt read

[Anonymous No.9865840]

>>9865831
>If you plainly explain to a modern gamer that old games play well with less latency on a CRT they'll just nod or shrug and accept that you know what you're talking about.
I'll not and shrug and accept that you've never touched a woman. People don't talk about this irrelevant autistic stupidity in "real life". Your shitty obsession with garbage monitors is not relevant to reality.

[Anonymous No.9865857]

There's those disingenuous shitposts I was talking about.

[Anonymous No.9865870]

>>9865857
>disingenuous shitposts
You mean this guy, who clearly seems to be deadly serious with his obsession?
>>9865831

Yeah, you're new here, you have no idea how much of the board's time this shit eats up.

[Anonymous No.9865881]

>>9865717
>Yes people who make a hobby out of things like retro games care more about fine details than someone with a mere passing interest. Hope you enjoyed your stay.
The rule change led to infesting /vr/ with failed normalfags from /v/ who have the most bare bones casual-tier interests in video games, let alone retro video games.

[Anonymous No.9865885]

>normal real life discussion:
>"I really like the color red."
>"Nice, I'm a blue guy myself."
>/vr/ discussions:
>"I really like the color red, anyone else here like the color red?"
>"Yeah red's pretty good."
>"Love me some red, but blue is good too."
>"LOL RED IS SHIT ONLY BLUE IS GOOD FAGGOT" (gets 20 replies)
>next day:
>"Why the fuck do you all hate red so much, why are you so obssesed with blue?"
>repeat ad nauseum because people don't know how to ignore shitposts

[Anonymous No.9865891]

>>9865446
nostalgia art by someone with no imagination or who wasn't alive during the 80s.

[Anonymous No.9865894]

>>9865885
The modern zoomer infested internet doesn't know shit about not feeding trolls. I could probably go on /v/ right now, say I'm trans, and get 500+ replies + tip. Its all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.9865901]

>>9865885
>"LOL RED IS SHIT ONLY BLUE IS GOOD FAGGOT" (gets 20 replies)
And in 90% of these scenarios this guy is also a red fan.

[Anonymous No.9865906]

>>9865885
Yeah nice try trying to make it look like some minor niche problem. This board is INFESTED with threads of obessive maniacal aspergers autists who simply cannot permit anyone to play games any other way but the "correct" one.
>hurr durr just ignore the shitposts
The shitposts account for 90% of the entire board. This is a PROBLEM.

[Anonymous No.9865919]

>>9865906
>The shitposts account for 90% of the entire board.
Maybe you should leave, then.

[Anonymous No.9865923]

>>9865919
No, I think I'll try and shine a light on the shitty problems this board has and clean it up. I'm glad you've announced you're going to continue being a disingenuous shitposter, though.

[Anonymous No.9865968]

>>9864880
>>nooo you have to play retro games on a real CRT
Well yeah, if you want your spectrum of commodore light gun to work

[Anonymous No.9866203]

>>9864880
>buy a CRT in 2023
>it has geometry problems
>needs recap and other shit
>if you want to fix it by yourself is gonna be a pain in the ass
>if you don't know how to fix it you can get kill for tamper with ancient technology
>you need to pay a technician to fix the shit
>shit is very likely to fail again sooner or later because is old shit with a lifespan of 20 or less years

fuck CRTs, I don't want more headaches
>geometry issues and other problems are part of the charm
You are retarded if you think that a distorted image is part of a good gaming experience.

[Anonymous No.9866205]

>>9865143
BASED AND TRUE

[Anonymous No.9866234]

>>9865437
That's right. At the end of the day someone who plays on a shitty laptop with emulators plays and beats way more games than the ones who take pictures of CRTs at 8 inches from the screen.

[Anonymous No.9866237]

>>9865906
this and the losers who want a place to show off their shrine or garbage collection. shouldn't be allowed to play facebook group show and tell here. the dude who posts with his hello /vr/ signature should be banned as well. are the mods here treating this place like a card shop on purpose?

[Anonymous No.9866240]

>>9865474
>And I use savestates
Everything was fine until that. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.9866353]

>>9866237
They delete posts obsessively and instantly that target particular “groups” (hmm, wonder why) but let garbage stay up for days to weeks. My favorite was the “is the genesis for niggers” thread that got to like 250 posts

[Anonymous No.9866365]

I just play on emulators. I don't care.

[Anonymous No.9866426]

>nooo you have to play retro games on a real CRT or else you aren't getting the true experience!
yeah, of course
>and it has to be the best crt ever! what's your dot pitch?? what do you mean you don't have a $2000 trinitron?? guys should I get a PVM???
false.
>how dare you use that shader! that isn't what the games really looked like! muh developer intended!
true.
Awful thread

[Anonymous No.9866532]

bros, I think I need a CRT. I just got a NES but it only outputs video in black and white to my LCD tv and the controller input has a disturbing lag. The black and white image might be an issue with the console but the lag with the controller I read that it might be because of some shady image conversions that the LCD tv does

[Anonymous No.9866586]

>>9866532
Just get one dude. Doesn't even have to be big, you can get a 13" to sit on your desk next to your PC. If you have Zogbook you can check the marketplace for listings in your area, or if your grandparents are still alive ask them if they have one of those old box TVs sitting in their basements.

[Anonymous No.9866948]

>>9865717
>Yes people who make a hobby out of things like retro games care more about fine details than someone with a mere passing interest. Hope you enjoyed your stay.
you mean nerds get online to bitch about what others 'out of developers intent' in order to seem like elitists, but irl its all a just bunch of bullshit? I know already. thanks for your worthless input

[Anonymous No.9866951]

>>9865717
>Yes people who make a hobby out of things like retro games care more about fine details than someone with a mere passing interest. Hope you enjoyed your stay.
you mean nerds get online to bitch about what others do 'out of developers intent' in order to seem like elitists, but irl its all a just bunch of bullshit? I know already. thanks for your worthless input. people play games to have fun not to be autists

[Anonymous No.9866960]

>>9864880
Smells like zoomer in here

[Anonymous No.9868406]

>>9865292
>CRT it's not really something I want to go back to
>I still use a nice CRT filter on my 42"
If you don't like CRT's you should also stop using CRT filters to pretend that you do and make up your mind. In my case I do have a CRT that I enjoying playing, but sometimes I like to experiment different scalers on LCD that are not intended to mimic CRT but instead just scale the game in a better way to fit higher resolutions without the dark lines from CRT filters blocking your view

[Anonymous No.9870008]

>>9868406
>If you don't like CRT's you should also stop using CRT filters
not wanting to get a tv =\= wanting to play games with good presentation. this is the elitist dork crap the OP was talking about. you make no sense and youre trying to guard HOW TO PLAY RETRO VIDEO GAMES

[Anonymous No.9870016]

>>9866532
the black and white is most likely related to PAL/NTSC
you can get a scaler which will make it look better but it'll still be composite only and you'll need to mod or get an RGB adapter

[Anonymous No.9870049]

>>9864880
I played games on a PVM during my college years which are now getting to be almost 20 years ago. I'm more nostalgic for that time than I am for when I played on a consumer television in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.9870060]

>>9865814
>>9865814
A different CRT every other year, though? That's insane. It sounds like your parents were just really eager to buy new shit all the time.

[Anonymous No.9870231]

>>9865140
As a tech nerd before about 2010 it was common knowledge that lcds were poor at the time and it was much better to wait for better technology while some others went onto plasma. It was generally what you would call the great unwashed masses who rushed to get a screen without even looking at it so now those screens clog the landfill and garbage piles. I remember going into places like bars or offices and seeing so many burnt out plasmas on the walls. For 20 years flatscreens were ultra luxury item and sudden they got cheap.

[Anonymous No.9870375]

>>9865140
>Growing up going through a new CRT practically every other year was a nonstop struggle to get one that was "even better" than the one before it, sharper picture, better color tone, flatter tube, less distortion, brighter picture, more settings, etc etc etc. The CRTs we had were NEVER good enough- we were constantly desperate for tricks to make it look better
What the fuck is this delusion?
We were fine with it because we didn't know any better and most of us certainly were not going through a new CRT every other year.

[Anonymous No.9870380]

>>9866203
>fuck CRTs, I don't want more headaches
Everytime some idiot says this they should never be taken seriously
All you had to do was put the refresh rate at 85hz

[Anonymous No.9870384]

>>9868406
>Scale2x
Unironically kys
Filters suck ass

Nearest-neighbour scaling doesn't work correctly until we have >12000ppi screen

CRT Shaders like CRT Royale and Sony Megatron(PVM 1910 350 line preset) look good, especially on a 4K TV

[Anonymous No.9870390]

>>9866532
If you output composite into a component input, it will be black and white. Some component inputs will accept the signal as composite, you just need to check your input setting.

[Anonymous No.9870627]

>>9864880
Literally no one is telling you to do all of that. You're just reading conversations between enthusiasts and projecting yourself into them.
The only thing close to shaders you get laughed at for using are those shitty filters are these, either that or you're taking shitposts here fucking way too seriously.

[Anonymous No.9870701]

>>9865143
Just like "physical original copy only", pushed by fags who want to increase the price of what they own

[Anonymous No.9870748]

>>9864880
/vr/ cares more about how you play your games than actually playing them.

[Anonymous No.9870772]

>>9865140
lmao no
also try saying that again but without using "dogwater" to describe it.

[Anonymous No.9870817]

upscaled emulator on LCD > LCD > inexpensive CRT >>>>>>>>>>> expensive CRT >>>>>>>>>>>> CRT filter (why would you do this to yourself?)

[Anonymous No.9870823]

>>9870748
You can't play OG lightguns and games unless you have a CRT anon. I just have an old TV, I did not even pay anything for it., I don't even know why this is a difficult thing for people apparently it is. Its a big decent size screen though. I have no idea why people even want these tiny medical monitor screens. Each to their own. But yeah, I have a lot of light guns and games, so I have a CRT.

[Anonymous No.9870850]

>>9870823
my pvm is 20"

[Anonymous No.9870883]

>>9870850
sry anon nothing against your thing, I have a 32 inch oem CRT TV with stereo speakers and its own silver stand and everything I paid zero for it I would never pay for a pvm but people can like different stuff and that's fine. I have it for lightguns and ps1 games

[Anonymous No.9870885]

>>9870883
OEM CRT?
Take a pic

[Anonymous No.9870915]

>>9870817
Objectively wrong. Along me to school you.
upscaled emulator on LCD ACTUALLY DOWNSCALED BY NV's DL-DSR > upscaled emulator on LCD ACTUALLY UPSCALED BY NV's NIS or AMD's image sharpening scaler > upscaled emulator on LCD > LCD > inexpensive CRT >>>>>>>>>>> expensive CRT >>>>>>>>>>>> CRT filter (why would you do this to yourself?)

[Anonymous No.9870926]

>>9870885
>OEM CRT?
>Take a pic
OEM TV fuck knows who made it probably a rebadged 32 inch Philips. it does 50 and 60 Hz. Took me a while to get an all in one remote for it but its basically unused here's a picture of a very similar/identical one from search. Where I am I could probably find another for free as well if I bothered. Its really strange to me these are supposed to be rare or something now

[Anonymous No.9870930]

Once I saw a CRT laying on the street and thought "oh cool maybe it works. I'll bring it home". When I grabbed it and noticed it weighted 40 kg I noped the fuck out of it and left it where it was. I'll keep using shaders thanks.

[Anonymous No.9870937]

>>9870930
Like I say its worth it for the light gun games. I love them.

[Anonymous No.9871047]

>>9865432
The sad thing is, many PAL tvs will sync to 60hz, and probably all of the ancient ones that had a vertical hold control. If some early major games console had decided to go with 60hz globally, history might have been very different.

[Anonymous No.9871063]

>>9870930
You are not worthy of salvation. The pain you feel when moving the CRT is the cleansing of your sinful soul.

[Anonymous No.9871065]

>>9871047
Even if the majority of TVs in the 90's did in fact support 60hz, it was the right choice to support 50hz though. Even up to the 00's you could still buy small low end TVs that were 50hz only, budget stuff.

And that's precisely the type of TVs you'd put in a kid's room: either they'd get the older models in their rooms (older, which may not support 60hz) when the parents buy a newer model for the living room, or they'd get those types of small budget TVs. From my experience that's how it went, those TVs were made for two things: kid's rooms and kitchen so the housewife can still watch while cooking/cleaning

[Anonymous No.9871075]

>>9871065
>Even up to the 00's you could still buy small low end TVs that were 50hz only, budget stuff
I am pretty sure every TV from that era supports 60hz as they are all using the same generic one chip CRT controllers.

[Anonymous No.9871080]

>>9865437
When I was alot younger I was playing OoT and SMB3 on my laptop keyboard, all of my friends were. It was magical man, it was like "You're telling me I can play my favourite games? All on my computer?! For FREE?!?!"

It was great, and it still is, I use the original controllers now but I've never stopped loving the fact that emulators exist. I don't get how people can't see how amazing they are. I was playing GBA at school during IT class using VBA. I sold usb sticks with the emulator on it and a bunch of games haha.

[Anonymous No.9871437]

>>9870823
You're a micropenis faggot if you give a shit about "lightgun" games.

[Anonymous No.9871972]

>>9871437
>faggot has never enjoyed point blank with his friends

[Anonymous No.9872397]

>>9870384
>Thinks a CRT shader in a bigger resolution screen would look like the real thing
Your screen could be 8K and you would still be delusional. Before 4K the same arguments were used to defend shaders in 1080
>Nearest-neighbour scaling doesn't work correctly until we have >12000ppi screen
The only "correct" way is a real CRT. I if have to go the other way, might as well try in nearest neighbor instead.

[Anonymous No.9872438]

>>9870231
My parents still have their first plasma hung up in the spare beadroom

[Anonymous No.9872452]

>>9864880
>and it has to be the best crt ever! what's your dot pitch?? what do you mean you don't have a $2000 trinitron?? guys should I get a PVM???

This is the only thing I have a problem with. I'm ok with period accuracy snobbism but no one played retro on a fucking pvm.

[Anonymous No.9872482]

>>9872452
>and it has to be the best crt ever!
Same as fags that defend having the best CRT shader ever in their 4K. Just play in nearest neighbor if you don't care about CRT's

[Anonymous No.9872790]

>>9870915
>Upscaled emulator on LCD downscaled by nVidia's DL-DSR
okay, what the fuck is this all about? Are you memeing or is there actual merit to that? Give us a quick rundown, squire

[Anonymous No.9872798]

>>9872452
>tfw when you got a small 14'' pvm back when they were at best $100
>Now the same monitor is going for $2000

[Anonymous No.9872846]

>>9865140
literally nothing like that ever happen. literally thats what happens now with LED screens resolution, contrast, refresh rate etc bullshit slowly improving but never becoming right.

[Anonymous No.9872884]

>>9872452
>no one played retro on a fucking pvm.
I did.
Played PS2 games on a PVM in the mid-2000s and that is included in the /vr/ retro era.
And of course I played tons of other games on my PVM in that same time period, including lots of emulated games. This was around 2006.

I also owned some CVMs before that.

[Anonymous No.9873216]

I don't own a CRT, but I'm really interested in getting one. Where do I start? I'm an adult with a job, so money isn't much of a concern but I'm not paying like $3k.

My reason is that I play a lot of SMW kaizo romhacks on a clone system. I've eliminated lag where I can, but any amount messes me up. It is soooo much harder to get a p-block yump with display lag over HDMI / LCD, or even do a series of low-high bounce regrabs. My romhacks literally expect me to execute frame perfect tricks at times.

What's a good, realistic starter? Does anyone make CRTs these days? I don't even know what an PVM is.

[Anonymous No.9873254]

>>9873216
you need: flashcart, real super nintendo, and any CRT
SMW is my benchmark for lag

[Anonymous No.9873493]

>>9864880
lcd's deinterlace a progressive image so it makes more sense to use a crt unless you're emulating, or have a good upscaling device. With the just the stock outputs on an old console it makes way more sense to use crt because it was designed to accept that resolution which modern displays aren't they just kind of accidently will display it, looking horrible.

[Anonymous No.9873501]

>>9873216
>I've eliminated lag where I can, but any amount messes me up.
retroacrch with runahead and a modern gaming monitor that has less than a frame of input lag and gsync/freesync will be as smooth as original and sometimes have even lower lag. The real magic to crt is better motion clarity, but lcd is quite good these days.

[Anonymous No.9873741]

>>9864880
I don't ever want to go back to RF ever again Used that for forever, my own tiny TV was RF only and man, once I used another TV that was laying around and realized I could switch to composite, everything changed

[Anonymous No.9875265]

>>9873216
Go on facebook marketplace. Get the first CRT you can in the size you want.

[Anonymous No.9875284]

>>9864880
I had a 100kg trinitron I picked up from some boomer clearing his house out. To be honest I didn't care for the visuals on it more than my cheapo tv I bought as a teenager.

[Anonymous No.9875427]

>>9864880
Unless you've seen one through quality connections like RGB or component you don't really know what you're missing, they do mostly offer a better visual experience. I love CRTs but PVM autism is too much for me.

[Anonymous No.9875563]

>>9872884
That's just our resident schizo janitor and his new made up random cutoff for retro, you having a pvm in the mid 00s doesn't mean using it to play snes is period accurate somehow. By that time, those games were old enough you could emulate them on a toaster.

[Anonymous No.9875609]

>>9873493
>it makes more sense
No it doesn't.
It makes sense to use whatever I want. A game is a game.

[Anonymous No.9875649]

>>9875563
you're such a boor, anon

[Anonymous No.9877745]

>>9864880
Same here, these days I try to replicate the shittiest TV settings ever, trying to chase my Atari nostalgia and also the great memories I had playing with my buddy and his incredibly terrible TV that had color bleed and blurry image.

[Anonymous No.9878856]

>>9876183
>>9865543
>>9863620
>>9863470
>>9875792
>>9872996
>>9873928
>>9875486
>>9870949
>>9875373
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[Anonymous No.9881487]

>>9864880
>>and it has to be the best crt ever! what's your dot pitch?? what do you mean you don't have a $2000 trinitron?? guys should I get a PVM???

This is my biggest gripe with the CRT gaming crowd. Seriously, nobody at all gave a fuck what they played on. Nobody aside from fucking TV studios had those professional monitors.
Let alone shelling out hundreds or even thousands for that shit.

The only CRTs in my house is my original Trinitron my family bought new in 2002 which I used for my Xbox and PS2 and another late 80s Mitsubishi which I got for free that needed repair which I'll probably sell for cheap (amatuer repair technician I am).

[Anonymous No.9881491]

>>9881487
Yeah, if all the retro gamers want authenticity, they should just stop giving a shit and pick up some average or below average TV off the street or something.

[Anonymous No.9881494]

>>9881487
>or even thousands for that shit
anon, how much do you think TV's cost back then?

[Anonymous No.9881505]

>>9881494
In the 2000s I saw them being sold brand new for less than $300 or so. For smaller sets, less than $100 even during the late 2000s, although that was right at the end of the line of them

Also, I'm referring to the PVM/BVM crowd and what they pay now. Imagine paying this much for a piece off a fucking video monitor.

[Anonymous No.9881509]

>>9881505

[Anonymous No.9881513]

>>9881505
>>9881509
>dude, imagine spending money
I got mine for free but that is the dumbest argument I've ever head

[Anonymous No.9881519]

>>9881513
Good for you and that's the way it should be for all of the retro gaming crowd. I've had mine since new but in my posts, I am only referring to that niche set of retro gamers who have more money than brains.

>I got mine for free but that is the dumbest argument I've ever head

The only dumb thing is people shelling out shitloads for something that nobody played video games on "in the day" when they can get something for cheap or free

[Anonymous No.9881520]

>>9881519
Ah, you're a Kiwi
makes sense now

[Anonymous No.9881523]

>>9881520
point still stands.

[Anonymous No.9881628]

The problem with CRT autists is that they look back at things through the lens of 'theoretically' available technology, and not the reality of how it was for the vast majority of people.
In the same way most people today don't have an 4k 240hz OLED display, 99% of people back then didn't have a Trinitron 9000 with cumblaster nano-tube technology. If you were a kid there's a large chance you played on one of those shittty, "portable" VHS combo TV's with a 9 inch screen you had in your room, and if not you'd just use whatever mediocre/average TV your dad put in the living room. I'd bet that accounts for the video game experience of 80%+. So now, after the fact, to get super anal about how video games are supposed to be experienced is just autistic.

[Anonymous No.9881632]

>>9881628
God damn I love the dumb takes by anti CRT morons
the only thing autistic here is your whole made up situation

[Anonymous No.9881684]

>>9865526
it's really this simple

[Anonymous No.9881695]

>>9881628
We never owned expensive tvs. Always the cheapest we could get. But even the cheapest shitest CRTs are tiers above the most expensive flat panel.

[Anonymous No.9881716]

Early zoomer here, grew up using this bad boy when I was in like the 5th grade and never looked back, unfortunately I ended up breaking it accidentally like a year ago when I fell on top of it while trying to deep clean my room, might buy another at some point, before the prices sky rocket.

[Anonymous No.9881726]

>>9881716
now I know it's just you shitposting multiple times

[Anonymous No.9881730]

>>9881726
Take your meds, this is the first post I'm posting ITT.

[Anonymous No.9881734]

>>9881730
>take your meds
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225073302734

[Anonymous No.9881736]

>>9881734
I don't get it, what point were you trying to make exactly?

[Anonymous No.9881739]

>>9881736
I apologise, I thought you were just shitposting about an LCD being a CRT

[Anonymous No.9881762]

>>9864880
I think that CRT snobs have started to like cheaper sets exclusively for the nostalgia factor. I like CRTs of any size shape or quality, and they are fun to play on and mess with. Granted, I almost exclusively play on a nice OLED with a scaler these days, but that's for convenience and space saving.

[Anonymous No.9882316]

What are your opinions about Nintendo's official answer to retro gaming? Releasing mini consoles that can be played on modern cheap flat tv's with an hdmi adapter and the only retro feature is 1. Preloaded games (like it's a brazilian knockoff) 2. a shitty non accurate filter 3. and having a nice plastic box for display?

[Anonymous No.9882475]

>>9881762
Display monitors are too sharp for most game systems, they're built for full bandwidth NTSC broadcast with 500+ lines while most retro systems wouldn't make more than 240 lines.

[Anonymous No.9882734]

>>9882316
No, their answer is Nintendo online
The mini consoles were a novelty to them

[Anonymous No.9882853]

>>9882475
Pretty sure they still only display 484 if you’re talking about ntsc

[Anonymous No.9882962]

what's the definitive CRT?

[Anonymous No.9882993]

>>9882853
You get that narrow beam width unless you widen it up which defeats the purpose of a PVM anyway.

[Anonymous No.9883017]

>>9882962
Any brand you've actually heard of

[Anonymous No.9883292]

>>9882993
I thought the narrow scan lines was from higher TVL and better focus on the gun
What does that have to do with 525 lines on NTSC?

[Anonymous No.9883330]

>>9864880
It's because no one makes flatscreens that don't clash with a retro console's vibe. If someone started making 4:3 "retro" flatscreens (maybe even with built-in video filters) I bet a lot of retroomers who usually hoard CRT's would get those "retro" flatscreens instead. I can already name several YouTubers (inb4 e-celebs on a /v/-adjacent board) that use old 1280x1024 office monitors with their setups instead of CRT's whenever possible, now we just need to make large ones with boomer console compatible inputs.

>>9865140
You're the only one who's been going through CRT TV's that fast. I only ever remember CRT's being replaced when they broke, or when richfags wanted to get in on the HD meme (and it was very much a meme at the time).

[Anonymous No.9883450]

>>9883330
Nope, you can do that with IPads that some guy tried to make a thing with 3D printing a box around it

CRTs are just better for viewing SD content, stop trying to push it like it’s not that simple
Aesthetic has nothing to do with it, except for the furniture guy that only wants wooden sets

[Anonymous No.9883760]

>>9879990
>>9874510

>>9880287
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9881463/
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[Anonymous No.9885226]

>>9865140
>changing CRTs almost every year
lol

[Anonymous No.9885376]

>>9864880
RGB modding and clarity is the entire anti-thesis of even bothering with using a CRT. RGB fags trying to push everyone else out of the hobby by making a big deal about how crystal clear you could make a composite era console.

[Anonymous No.9886213]

>>9865814
your parents shouldve been patient and saved up money instead of buying a tv every year

[Anonymous No.9887146]

>>9885376
It would be highly unethical to stand by and watch as people suffer NTSC composite without even attempting to help them.

[Anonymous No.9887434]

>>9884768
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>>9886831
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