/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9857272]

play old consoles on a standard consumer CRT over RF, or eat dogshit and fucking die

[Anonymous No.9857273]

nah, emulating on a shitty LCD, fuck developer intent fuck CRT fags fuck OP fuck jannies, also kys *dabs*

[Anonymous No.9857279]

>>9857273
actually far more based than playing on decommissioned overpriced medical equipment that looks far sharper than a normal consumer television of the time.

[Anonymous No.9857282]

i just like the sharpness of raw pixels more.

More clarity = less annoying things getting in the way of skill. I couldnt imagine things like Ninja Gaiden or Castlevania on blurry shitty RF signals. I was born in 1994 and I dont have nostalgia for this shit.

[Anonymous No.9857289]

>>9857272
Boomers are famous for being shallow idiots on a generational level. The sizable percentage of CRTfags that are just larping don't even get that excuse, just twice the idiocy.

[Anonymous No.9857314]

>>9857272
So what's the functional difference between using a CRT and simply going like this while playing the game in a tv for normal people?

[Anonymous No.9857318]

>>9857314
>TV for normal people
You mean a CRT?

[Anonymous No.9857321]

>>9857318
Not really, since I posted that reply in the current century.

[Anonymous No.9857346]

>>9857314
CRTs diffuse the light emitted from its electron-strucken phosphor, squinting puts pressure on the eyeball allowing for clearer vision, opposite to the desired effect. If you push past that so your eyelids and lashes begin diffusing light however you're functionally filtering far more visual information for a comparatively substandard result. If you want to play your games like hans moleman you're free to do so
>>9857321
>He thinks normal people still watch TV
When that was normal, people owned CRTs. Are you an AARP member?

[Anonymous No.9857354]

Reminder that not only the Game Boy had sharp square pixels, but it was such a big deal and selling point they bragged about it on the front of the console itself.

[Anonymous No.9857359]

Threads like this make /vr/ the most autistic board on this site

[Anonymous No.9857364]

>>9857272
i emulate with crt-royale-kurozumi on my gayman monitor or emulate at 480p with tvout+interlacing on my CRT monitor
Stay mad

[Anonymous No.9857375]

>>9857272
>not combining RF with xBR
get on my level nerds

[Anonymous No.9858025]

>Ishii: For example, in FFI the reason the mountains were white was because I envisioned that the rocks making up the mountains had crystal shards in them, and those shards sparkled from the reflection of the sun’s rays. That’s why the mountain’s surface was portrayed as white.

>Games at that time were played on cathode ray tube (CRT) TVs, and if you put black dots in a plot of all white, it would bleed together on the CRT screen giving you light blue or pink showing up around the black dots. The NES had a limited number of colors, and we wanted to give the illusion of even just the slightest bit more colorfulness. We used tricks like putting black streaks in the white mountain surface to achieve that.

>Interviewer: It seems like getting the result you envisioned on limited hardware took some creativity.

>Ishii: I think that’s all just part of a project, figuring out which methods and ideas you want to use to get your vision across.
>Viewing those same black and white mountains on an LCD screen now looks different from what we intended when the game was developed, since we input that pixel art to make use of the blurring and warping that occurs when displayed on a CRT screen.
>Today pixel art is just one form of expression and can be a way to stir up nostalgia, but I feel that back then we were trying to find ways to create an illusion for the player.
https://na.finalfantasy.com/topics/176

Does anyone have pictures of what the mountains look like on a CRT over RF or composite, so I know if Ishii is full of shit or not?

[Anonymous No.9858142]

>>9857314
CRTs are not actually blurry. They can resolve individual pixels really well. Its incredibly difficult to quantify the actual nature of the CRT, but blurry they are not.

[Anonymous No.9858150]

>>9858025
Sounds like they were taking advantage of CRT color convergence. There could be other things as well, though.

[Anonymous No.9858160]

>>9857279
Jealousys a bad look

[Anonymous No.9858169]

>>9857272
>anti-CRT anon is now false flagging to try and get people to hate CRTs by being obnoxious
Don’t fall for this shit people, play games however you want, on a CRT or modern display
Don’t fall for the bait like this guy >>9857273

[Anonymous No.9858180]

>>9857272
Pvm image is completely incorrect since its being rendered in an HD resolution with no zoom

[Anonymous No.9858189]

>>9858150
>>9858025
Could be artifact colors from a composite signal too. I think that's how the often-posted rainbow waterfalls in Sonic were created.

[Anonymous No.9858202]

>>9857272
No :).

[Anonymous No.9858213]

>>9857272
There is no need to insist on RF.
And on this board an old console could apply to the PS1 or Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.9858318]

>>9858189
It is
Specifically NTSC composite, which the NES natively outputs

[Anonymous No.9858362]

>>9857272
there's no reason why we can't get picture 4 with good filters, which applies to everything including what indie developers are producing.

[Anonymous No.9858367]

>>9858169
>Don’t fall for this shit people, play games however you want, on a CRT or modern display
This.

[Anonymous No.9858386]

Do any of these filters you guys love so much emulate my old CRT?
I want my sprites BLURRY (like OP's image) and the white text in games GLOWING BRIGHT.

[Anonymous No.9858389]

>>9857272
No thanks. I like having my video games look good.

[Anonymous No.9858406]

>>9857272
imagine having such an empty and pathetic life that you give a shit about how these shitty graphics look, let alone how they look on other peoples’ rigs
>in b4 some dumb-ass response
no seriously dude, get a job and have sex

[Anonymous No.9858413]

>>9858406
Meet me at the costco bathroom?

[Anonymous No.9858558]

but a 240 Hz oled destroys a crt

[Anonymous No.9858560]

>>9858558
lol

[Anonymous No.9858578]

>>9857272
nah I like stereo

[Anonymous No.9858586]

i haven't gamed on a crt in almost 20 years, but wasn't it like when you went up close to them, you always saw those triangles of three colors? that everything was composed of. or something. are any crt filters trying to replicate crt on that level or is it even possible?

[Anonymous No.9858592]

>>9858362
You already can. You just need a good display with enough brightness to do it justice.

[Anonymous No.9858606]

>>9857272
You can't play over RF unless you live in the middle of nowhere. Too much interference today.

[Anonymous No.9858713]

>>9857272
I know the pic on the right is supposed to be shut and the one on the right is what I'msupposed to want, but I just c.

[Anonymous No.9858715]

>>9858606
A small amount of shielding would solve that issue if it ever popped up.

[Anonymous No.9858884]

>>9857272
RCA Truflat Not actually truly flat, you can see from the sunlight glare it's wibbly on the face
Composite
Slightly too much of the geometry dipped in the overscan area
But damn, I fucking love using it to play old games, movies, and shows.

[Anonymous No.9858886]

>>9858884
No flat CRTs are actually flat, it's a silly optical illusion.

[Anonymous No.9858953]

>>9858886
Nope, the bulb is actually flat on the outside
Obviously the corners and edges under the plastic is rounded but the visible screen is flat
What they do is they make the curvature on the inside of the glass and make it a lot thicker to compensate

[Anonymous No.9858958]

>>9858953
>the bulb is actually flat on the outside
But not on the inside, you can see it when you view it from an angle. It's really cool seeing it.

[Anonymous No.9858971]

>>9858202
Haha the bad word
We're on 4chan.
Hahaha

Now you say 'go back' because you can't think of anything else to say.
Hahaha.

[Anonymous No.9858976]

>>9858160
ESL is a worse look.

[Anonymous No.9859028]

>>9857272
Why do you experience anguish and pain over how other people choose to play video games?

[Anonymous No.9859030]

>>9858025
Guess what, I'm older than the age of 15 and I can tell absolute bullshit when I smell it now.
>we put black next to white to create more colors
wow so I guess all the other 8295749827356897 games since the apple ii were just as innovative

[Anonymous No.9859043]

>>9858971
Yeah we already know most of you fags are from resetera

[Anonymous No.9859058]

>>9858971
This board isn't for you, nigger.

[Anonymous No.9859118]

>>9857272
Don't be stupid, clearly the best way to retro game is to use a cheap 1080p monitor to run a paid emulator that converts all of those shitty old 2D graphics into glorious 3D polygons.

[Anonymous No.9859120]

>>9859118
I hate it

[Anonymous No.9859121]

>>9859118
I remember seeing this NES emulation on TASvideos.org, it was a plugin for FCEUX or something, they made it pay now?

[Anonymous No.9859126]

>>9859030
Except this is the NES mate, it natively outputs composite
Do you not know the argument for purple sky in the original game

[Anonymous No.9859130]

>>9857272
Basically 1 and 4 are the only acceptable ones unless you are sitting 20 meters away from your monitor/tv.
It doesn't really matter though unless you play with avant-garde filters, turning your games into picassos, you might be a bit unhinged at that point.

[Anonymous No.9859136]

>>9858142
theyre softer than HD, but I would not say they're blurry. there is a certain quality to its lighting and bloom which makes colors and special FX look more magical than HD can.

[Anonymous No.9859137]

No nigger I'll play them on a emulator with a blur/bilinear filter

>same shit

Get fucked

[Anonymous No.9859159]

>>9859058
whoa easy anon this is a blue board, i think you're looking for /b/

[Anonymous No.9859296]

>>9859121
Not aware of any plugins that do something like this. It started out as a free emulator called 3DNES that attempted to (badly) transform any NES game into 3D.

But then went pay, changed it's name to 3DSEN, and instead relied on a curated list of games it supports that were all fine-tuned individually for the 3D effect. Although there is a community forum where people make their own addon modules to support more games in it.

There are two versions of the paid one too, one "standard" and one with VR support, although the VR one can also be run as standard too. A little worrying however that it is still listed as "Early Access" yet has not been updated since last June. Although what the last update did was remove the DRM (Although from what I understand it was just simply the Steamworks DRM)

[Anonymous No.9859308]

>>9859296
Ah I just remember seeing this years ago on tasvideos forums, some guy was posting he was making a nes emu or plugin or something that turned the NES titles into voxels, it was very early stages, I'm curious if the same guy went on to make this 3DNES.

[Anonymous No.9859323]

>>9859308
>https://tasvideos.org/Forum/Topics/17566

Yep, it was him.

[Anonymous No.9859332]

>>9857272
Every time you collector fags push for something the price goes through the fucking roof, so no thanks. Retro games looks like shit when they're blown up to HD and 4K res either way.

[Anonymous No.9859361]

>>9859323
Shame that the guy working on WideNES abandoned it after making what was basically just a proof of concept, would have liked to see what would have come of that too.

[Anonymous No.9859445]

>>9857289
>born in 94
Yeah you're not nostalgic because you're too young. You came of age in 3d. You Fucking moron learn what nostalgia means

[Anonymous No.9859713]

>>9857272
Based

[Anonymous No.9859724]

[Anonymous No.9859728]

[Anonymous No.9859731]

[Anonymous No.9859732]

>>9859713
It looks like a snes game

[Anonymous No.9859736]

>>9857354
no it fucking did not zoom zoom the game boy's LCD screen was blurry as hell and had tons of ghosting and you would know if you've ever actually seen one in real life

[Anonymous No.9859760]

>>9859732
What?

[Anonymous No.9859767]

>>9859736
This is true
And the pixels had pretty soft looking edges

[Fields. No.9859901]

CRT is honestly a bit of a meme tbqh, I think it really is preference too because far left looks best and far right looks blurry. I dunno, wouldn't want to associate with the kind of retards ITT kthnxbai lol.

[Anonymous No.9859906]

>>9857272
>play old consoles on a standard consumer CRT over RF, or eat dogshit and fucking die
But I do to shoot things with lightguns

[Anonymous No.9859912]

>>9857272
I just use a good widescreen CRT TV over composite mainly PS1 and PS2 and for old tape computers coax on LCD.

[Anonymous No.9859913]

>>9857272
Nah, gonna use Retroarch + RGB out to a CRT or an OLED and shade as necessary. Thanks! Thank you. Have some herbs on the way out.

[Anonymous No.9859914]

>>9857272
no

[Anonymous No.9859917]

>>9859901
>tbqh
>kthnxbai
Why are zoomers so stupidly obvious?

[Anonymous No.9859925]

>>9859728
>raw integer scaled NES version
>(badly) composite filtered Genesis version
lole, b8'd and 8'd

[Anonymous No.9859927]

>>9859917
>kthxbye
>new speak
It isn't though. Remember that shit from 90s IRC.

[Anonymous No.9859928]

>>9859917
lol newfag

[Anonymous No.9859939]

>>9859917
Come here in 2016 mutt boomer? Shit thread anyway.

[Anonymous No.9859949]

>>9859901
Geez anti CRT schizo is going all out
What’s wrong, was /g/ mean to you again?
Poor baby

[Anonymous No.9859968]

>>9859949
Not so EZ but knew i'd catch a couple of you thin skinned retards out lol.

[Anonymous No.9860020]

Uh janitor. Whoever.
What the fuck are you doing?
You warn me for picrel?
You delete that post?
And then keep this post up?
>>9858202

Fuck off.
I've seen some really SHIT work on /vr/ lately but this is incredible.

[Anonymous No.9860045]

>>9860020
wtf is picrel?

[Anonymous No.9860048]

>>9860020
>warned for being a giant faggot
>seething over a funny post because it said nigger

janny is based here

[Anonymous No.9860068]

>>9860045
'Pic related'
>>9860048
Warned over completely destroying you with a couple of vanilla sentences.

[Anonymous No.9860101]

>>9859126
Suck my dick so hard it pops your eyeballs out from behind, faggot. Imagine thinking anyone gives a shit about this utter aspergers garbage.

[Anonymous No.9860108]

>>9860101
You have to go back anon
Nobody likes you
Your constant shitposting adds nothing

[Anonymous No.9860114]

>>9860045
holy newfaggot, point and laugh

[Anonymous No.9860121]

>>9857272
Master system via rf is awful, maybe nes is better with rf but nah, rf isn't for me.

[Anonymous No.9860125]

>>9857314
Why would you need to squint? You're upscaling that shit you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.9860143]

>>9860020
>personal attacks will not be tolerated
am i taking crazy pills?

[Anonymous No.9860180]

>>9859724
>>9859728
Just like I remember them.

[Anonymous No.9860305]

>>9859949
We all complain about the current state of /vr/, but all you need to do is visit both /v/ and /g/ to realize things could be far worse still.

[Anonymous No.9860347]

>>9857272
>what idiot thinks other people think
op is a fag, as always

[Anonymous No.9860368]

>>9858025
When FF1 was being developed, the Famicom didn't have any composite out, so it was RF only.

[Anonymous No.9860376]

>>9857375
I don't hate that as much as I should.

[Anonymous No.9860478]

>>9859736
>it doesn't count because of ghosting

That's a lot of cope right there. It had sharp square pixels in 1989 and they improved the display in that regard for the next versions (pocket and colour). CRTfags like to tell themselves square pixels didn't exist until the 2000's which is beyond ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.9860483]

>>9860478
Hi Phil Fish
FEZ sucks and it is a ripoff of Jazz Jackrabbit 2

[Anonymous No.9860529]

>>9860478
you've never played on a game boy, every emulator has an LCD filter for the exact reason I said. Calling them sharp square pixels is disingenuous fuck off zoomzoom. Even the GBA didn't have a sharp display.

[Anonymous No.9860898]

>>9860368
Interesting. And I guess RF degraded the signal even more than when sent straight over a composite cable.

[Anonymous No.9860962]

>>9857272
>play old consoles on a standard consumer CRT
ok
>over RF
you can go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.9860971]

>>9860529
I just did a quick test on my non modded GBA in case my memory was wrong and pixels are sharp and perfectly square as god intended and you are wrong

[Anonymous No.9860992]

>>9860020
hahahaha

[Anonymous No.9861024]

>/v/ tier bait thread

[Anonymous No.9861029]

>>9857272
RF? Nope. Original consoles all supported composite except Atari.

[Anonymous No.9861052]

>>9860483
I'll ask only once: how did you know it was me? What did it give away?

[Anonymous No.9861056]

>>9861029
>Original consoles all supported composite except Atari.

[Anonymous No.9861079]

>>9861056
There's a composite + S-video adaptor.

[Anonymous No.9861098]

I love RGB, but there's something fun about playing NES via RF, probably because that's how I always played back in the day. The compromise of accuracy/cleanness for me is probably composite on a pro monitor with a decent comb filter. I used to be a total RGBfag and while I'd like to get one of those new Krikzz RGB boards, I'm honestly pretty happy playing NES with RF or composite, especially if it is my first time playing a game.

[Anonymous No.9861102]

>>9861079
The console only has a built in RF modulator, any adapter would just take the RF source unless you solder in a 3rd party aftermarket mod.

[Anonymous No.9861105]

>>9861102
Wrong, the back of the console has a connector, and on that connector are the RGB outputs from the video encoder. The composite is transcoded from RGB, not from RF

[Anonymous No.9861220]

>>9860971
Is that so?
Here’s native resolution for you

[Anonymous No.9861224]

>>9861056
That literally supports composite though

[Anonymous No.9861232]

>>9861220
look like square pixels to me anon, are you retarded and don't realize the GBA output RGB to the LCD screen?

[Anonymous No.9861337]

>>9857272
> standard consumer CRT over RF
Take the S-video pill. it's the perfect combination of sharp and shitty.

[Anonymous No.9861375]

>>9859731
Holy shit this is a good meme

[Anonymous No.9861393]

>>9857272
Gameboy was pixel perfect
Games were developed on PVMs
What's your cope now?

[Anonymous No.9861397]

>>9857272
>UHHHH RETRO GAMES WERE MEANT TO BE PUT OUT OVER RF ONLY
>NOOOOOO DON'T BRING UP THE FACT THAT NINTENDO RELEASED THE AV FAMICOM AND THE NES USED AV CORDS
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T BRING UP THE FACT THAT THE SNES OUTPUTS RGB NATIVELY AND NINTENDO SOLD OFFICIAL RGB CORDS SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP

[Anonymous No.9861405]

>>9861232
I was more talking about the sharpness
Besides there are still different colour palettes that it outputs, same for the GBC

[Anonymous No.9861409]

>>9861393
No they weren’t
Like all retro games they literally developed them on the consoles or handhelds called devkits

[Anonymous No.9861448]

>>9857272
I emulate them on a consumer CRT at 15khz 240p, except i use an RGB -> Component transcoder so the image is absolutely razor clear.

I have a really good time doing it too.

[Anonymous No.9861450]

>>9861397
seek help

[Anonymous No.9861453]

>>9861448
By RGB i meant *VGA (same shit)

[Anonymous No.9861458]

>>9861405
really not liking that palette on the right. much prefer the washed out look on the left

[Anonymous No.9861481]

>>9861405
The Oracle games specially checked if they were being played on a GBA or GBC and output a different color palette depending what they were running on.

[Anonymous No.9861713]

>>9857346
>watch TV
He never said anything about watching TV, old man.

[Anonymous No.9861717]

>>9860529
Found the CRT coper.

[Anonymous No.9862013]

>>9859901
I don't miss needing a crew to move a large CRT or projection tv.

[Anonymous No.9862016]

>>9862013
eat meat you weak skinny fuck

[Anonymous No.9862035]

>>9862016

Nobody was soloing a 40"+ rear projection tv made in the 1980s and 1990s.

I helped move one of those 80" monstrosities and it was such a pain in the ass. Dude who got it was basically duped by his friend so he could have it. The blue light and busted and tv was way out of warranty. Got to help load it back onto his truck too.

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[Anonymous No.9862042]

>>9861393
There literally exists games out today which have developer interviews talking about the effect of CRT's on their art

Masahiro Sakurai literally just released a video a couple days ago talking about displaying Kirby animations on a twin famicom (composite and rf)

[Anonymous No.9862050]

>>9862042
Fucking Yuzo Koshiro is making a game right now with CRT's in mind

[Anonymous No.9862071]

>>9862035
I did, trashsourced a 40" rear projection CRT with a skateboard, some patience, and some lever work to get it up the stairs into my house. It helps that skateboards are basically double sided levers on wheels

[Anonymous No.9862074]

>>9862035
>>9862071
Not the guy you were initially talking to jsyk. I did move a really huge rear projection into a friend's house though and yeah that's a permanent fixture

[Anonymous No.9862103]

>>9857272
Rf was shit even in the 90s