Did 6th gen had enough power for 3D?

[Anonymous No.9809629]

Was it still too early?

[Anonymous No.9809693]

>>9809629
>Did 6th gen had enough power for 3D?
Yes. And you're no less than a massive faggot if you're implying that 3D games are all bad on 6th gen.

[Anonymous No.9809714]

>>9809693
I love many 6th gen 3D games anon. The aim of my question is that there was always something unsettling about graphics during those time that made you felt weird. On top of it 2D was almost nonexistent during that era.

[Anonymous No.9809794]

>>9809714
Sounds like a you problem. Go to a doctor or something, you might suffer from a disease called "homosexuality"

[Anonymous No.9809913]

>>9809629
>>9809714
ESL faggot

[Anonymous No.9810736]

>>9809629
The Nintendo 64 already had enough power for proper 3D games once they removed all the problems presented by the other consoles from the same generation

[Anonymous No.9810739]

Yes. Many games in that gen were 60fps with good textures and tons of polygons. Take SSBM for example. I’m still amazed by the graphics.

From there on things got better for the most part. HD was the next big thing.

[Anonymous No.9810747]

>>9809629
early 7th gen perfected 3D and were just 6th gen games with better graphics, but then around 2008 the brown and bloom shit happened and everything was ruined

[Anonymous No.9810749]

>>9809629
Yes. Finally 3d looked good after the dark ages of fifth gen

[Anonymous No.9810756]

I'm more concerned with how 2D graphics dind't evolve at all since SOTN

[Anonymous No.9810763]

>>9809629
It wasn't too early on Dreamcast and Gamecube, but ironically it was too early on the "more powerful" FuzzStation and Xblecch. The decision to port so many computer games and introduce online play destroyed the original merits of videogames. Someday an author will elucidate the design differences between challenging platformers and arcade-based games in regard to the more literalistic American PC games -- the thing to note here however is that PC gaming is really all that remains.

[Anonymous No.9810769]

>>9809629
YES! Just look at Shenmue and how great it is.

3d was finally there.
3d on the N64/PSX is fucking eye cancer though. I hated it when it came out (I am 38) and I never got used to it. No idea what games PSX/N64 really offer. I mean I have tried most of those games / all the famous ones but they all just sucked sadly.

[Anonymous No.9810841]

>>9809629
Something like God of War 2 proves that you can have AAA graphics on what is perceived as the weakest console of the generation and it's a 60 fps game.

[Anonymous No.9812284]

>>9810736
64 doesn't hold up AT ALL.
Ugliest games that generation.
Unlike beautiful ps1 and saturn.

[Anonymous No.9812295]

>>9810769
You've only played n64.

[Anonymous No.9812297]

>>9810756
Vanillaware.

[Anonymous No.9812301]

ban ESL threads
destroy ESL posters
obliterate ESL villages
harass ESL OPs

[Anonymous No.9812313]

>>9810749
Pearls before swine

[Anonymous No.9812317]

>>9810739
Melee is hideous what are you smoking you fucking retard? Probably the worst looking gamecube game. Looks worse than fighting games from the previous gen.

[Anonymous No.9812320]

>>9809629
No. 3D is only a thing if you have a 4090

[Anonymous No.9812323]

>>9809714
Plenty of 2D on ps1 and saturn. Only the nig shitty 4 forced you to look at ugly 3d with vomit textures

[Anonymous No.9812326]

>>9812323
>nig shitty 4
the retarded names people will come up with to shit on decades old consoles will never not crack me up

[Anonymous No.9812357]

>>9812295
Look at this masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.9812361]

>>9812357
>you're the best looking guy here

[Anonymous No.9812369]

>>9809714
>The aim of my question is that there was always something unsettling about graphics during those time that made you felt weird.

The 6th Generation was the end of the Arcade era.

Previously arcades were king. And arcade games had bright and colorful graphics to draw people to the machine and spend money. Sega, Konami, Namco, SNK, etc were all known for this. These same bright colorful games were ported then over to the 5th Generation of consoles.

But the arcade market crashed hard during the early 2000s. So the 6th Gen of consoles wasn't as influenced by Arcade games anymore. They started doing their own thing. Bright and colorful arcade style games were "out" . Now 6th gen was era of developers experimenting. This somehow led to a lot of beige and browns. Lots of "gritty" and realistic games with a dark color pallette.

[Anonymous No.9812371]

>>9809629
Gamecube had enough power

[Anonymous No.9812384]

>>9812357
>1547x1080

[Anonymous No.9812393]

>>9809629
Yeah

[Anonymous No.9812401]

>>9812393
It's crazy to me how games look worse, likely due to art direction, I try extremely hard to be objective but I fail at times seeing shit like this, the brown/bloom/photorealistic/muh UE5 shaders shit just gets so visually exhausting after a while.

[Anonymous No.9812419]

>>9812401
Making HD games requires more effort. That webm is highly compressed. PCSX2 reveals many flaws.

[Anonymous No.9812427]

>>9812419
glad they spend weeks sculpting a troon jaw line instead of making actual games now, what progress

[Anonymous No.9812430]

>>9812427
Western games looked even worse during PS2 era.

[Anonymous No.9812434]

>>9812430
which coincides with my opinion that the ps2 was largely soulless

[Anonymous No.9812464]

>>9812430
>Western games looked even worse during PS2 era.
Other than GTA when I think of western games of that era I think of
>Halo (looked great. Better art direction than recent titles)
>Burnout (looked great)
>jak and daxter (looked great)
>the getaway (didn't stand the test of time due to going the realistic route)
>True crime (same as above)
>Bully (looks good)
Ignoring graphical limitations how exactly are western games better looking now than back then?

[Anonymous No.9812523]

>>9812464
>>Halo (looked great. Better art direction than recent titles)
>>jak and daxter (looked great)
Halo, Jak looked great. I was going to add except platformers
Burnout has standard racing game graphics. It has bad art direction.
>>the getaway (didn't stand the test of time due to going the realistic route)
WTF does that even mean? Silent Hill 2 looks realistic. Resident Evil 4 looks realistic. That always looked like shit.
>>True crime (same as above)
Why bring up 2 of the shittiest games for this conversation? They always looked awful. Even Western companies did a better job than those. Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell have realistic graphics. They even came out early.

[Anonymous No.9812529]

>>9812284
silly console warrior

[Anonymous No.9812534]

>>9812529
how come this has better animation than modern games' 3D models?

[Anonymous No.9812537]

>>9812523
>WTF does that even mean?
It means when developers take the realistic route, graphics always age poorly. SH2 looks like shit today too
>Why bring up 2 of the shittiest games for this conversation?
Why am I bringing up popular games of the time?

You didn't even answer my question, what was the point of your post?

[Anonymous No.9812563]

>>9812537
I did Halo, Jak yes, but many games looked much worse than Japanese games during that era.
>Why am I bringing up popular games of the time?
Gateway was popular? True Crime was always cheap Hollywood shit. They also look like shit artistically. Anon's post which started the whole debate was >>9812401
>SH2 looks like shit today too
No it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.9812637]

>>9812563
>but many games looked much worse than Japanese games during that era.
That wasn't my question. Do you have reading comprehension issues?

[Anonymous No.9812660]

>>9812464
Burnout 1/2 look "fine" but are entirely generic. Burnout 3 looks awful and was the first racing game with bloom everywhere.

[Anonymous No.9812686]

>>9812637
>Ignoring graphical limitations how exactly are western games better looking now than back then?
They try to be more artistic or have better technology for realism.
>>Burnout
Newer NFS games look better. Also older NFS games look better. Burnout was always boring looking. UG1,UG2, MW, Carbon all look much better. Heat, Unbound
>the getaway
Even shittiest 3rd person shooter looks better Gears, Uncharted
>True crime
Even shittiest open world looks better GTA, Watch Dogs
>Bully
Newer Rockstar games look better.

Happy? Your question is against the rules. This conversation will get deleted if we continue.

[Anonymous No.9812738]

>>9812686
>They try to be more artistic
New games don't tend to be more artistic. That's why you picked the games I chose that aged poorly because they tried to look realistic so aged poorly which will also be the same for modern games. Modern rockstar games don't look better than bully. Shinier doesn't mean better. You can only argue that modern western games look better from a technical standpoint but the other anon is right, in the end they end up always looking uglier because the shinier graphics don't mask the artistic choices, especially regarding character design.

[Anonymous No.9812739]

>>9809714
>there was always something unsettling about graphics during those time

Fucking zoomers I swear to God

[Anonymous No.9812790]

>>9812738
No I've chosen every game you have posted except Bungie and Naught Dog (main devs of each company).
>Modern rockstar games don't look better than bully.
Yes they do.
>You can only argue that modern western games look better from a technical standpoint
We are on a thread called "Did 6th gen had enough power for 3D?"

[Anonymous No.9812792]

>>9809629
i think 16th bit gen (you made a typo right?) was about time for 3d. too bad popular consoles were designed around non-scaling sprites so 3d weren't working really good there. cpu could render it but the memory bus wasn't fast enough to transfer pixels into the framebuffer. but even 8 bits could power full 3d as elite shows.

[Anonymous No.9813131]

>>9809629
>Dreamcast
People loved Sonic even when the console had just launched. Also Soul Calibur and Shenmue.
>PS2
I got mine with Tekken 4 and it looked pretty good even though I got it when I was already used to Gamecube, XBox and contemprary PC graphics. Gran Tourismo 3 and 4 looked amazing. Shadow of the Colossus alone is the perfect counter for your retarded argument alone.
>XBox
Halo was THE graphics series for a while. Also Project Gotham Racing 2 and Forza Motorsport 1 and 2.
>Gamecube
That thing LAUNCHED with Rogue Leader, Luigi's Mansion and Wave Race Blue Storm, and even if the lat one wasn't as great as its predecessor, it looked amazing. They all did. Also Starfox Adventures came early in the console's lifetime and it just looked amazing.

So what are you? One of the 2D autist that infest the board or a clueless zoomer?

[Anonymous No.9813161]

>>9812357
>cherry picking
>blowing up a 240p image to 1080
Kys you silly nigger

[Anonymous No.9813165]

>>9812361

[Anonymous No.9813171]

>>9812371

[Anonymous No.9813180]

>>9812419
Modern games require less effort.
Facescan. Texture scan. Unreal engine.
The budget is just for gay shit like voice acting and diversity co ordinator.

[Anonymous No.9813181]

>>9809714
Liminal negative aura

[Anonymous No.9813184]

>>9812430

[Anonymous No.9813187]

>>9812529
You're applying emulator filters to this.

[Anonymous No.9813192]

>>9812563
Japanese games are better than western games, every fucking generation.

So this is completely besides the point you retard.

[Anonymous No.9813254]

>>9809629
Killzone is peak warn-torn-world aesthetics. Metroid Prime is astonishing looking even today.
In fact, lots of 6th gen titles have better art direction and atmosphere than modern games.
Technically, the OG Xbox was able to perform custom vertex and fragment calculations as per D3D 8.1+ specs.
So your question actually reduces to: Did 3D gaming only became good with the release of Radeon 9000 series?

[Anonymous No.9813259]

>>9813192
Based weeb truth bomb

[Anonymous No.9813337]

>>9809693
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.9813886]

>>9812393
wtf is this game

[Anonymous No.9814373]

>>9810756

The bug eyed nation held the 2d crown for all of history

2 autistic American chads came along, made a game based on the golden age of American animation and destroyed all of Japanese animation. No bug eyed game will ever touch it.

It's true. It's damn true

[Anonymous No.9814379]

>>9813192
Lol no

Planscape torment
Baldurs gate
Half life
Half life 2
Portal
CS go
StarCraft
Cnc
Red alert 2

Fuck off with your weeb shit
Bug eyes haven't made a good game in 20 years

[Anonymous No.9815704]

Learn English

[Anonymous No.9815713]

>>9809714
All zoomers must fucking hang

[Anonymous No.9815718]

>>9812313
What is this? It looks so familiar...

[Anonymous No.9815726]

>>9812369
>Now 6th gen was era of developers experimenting. This somehow led to a lot of beige and browns. Lots of "gritty" and realistic games with a dark color pallette.
The real reason for this was
1) """""Realism""""". In that games were taking after movies/TV in visual design, and muted colors or as retards in film call it "color correction" was rather in especially in the 00s. This did help draw in non-videogame players and expanded the market by helping with the perception that videogames could be "adult".
Pic related as an example.
2) Performance. A lot of games actually operate at a color depth of only 15 bit (or even lower), which is only 32k colors. Your screen may be at 24/32bit depth, but the game is not. Its faster to process shaders when the calculations involve smaller data points. If you make your colors muted for marketing reasons, you can also get performance benefits from it too.

[Anonymous No.9815748]

>>9812284
Mega Man Legends was OUTRAGEOUSLY good looking for the technology. It was pure mastery of craft, plain and simple. Note that MML was ported to the 64 as MM64 btw.

[Anonymous No.9815794]

>>9812284
Megaman 64 looks better though?

[Anonymous No.9815839]

>>9814379
All of those games except planescape are pure, unfiltered, donkey shit.

Go back to plebbit with your basic bitch taste.

[Anonymous No.9815843]

>>9815748
Yeah and the 64 version is worse
>>9815794
No it fucking doesn't.

[Anonymous No.9815863]

>>9814379
>Bug eyes haven't made a good game in 20 years
Apparently America neither seeing that list and only on PC. Also no one gives a shit about PC here, it's funny when people are clearly talking about Consoles and then some American comes along and starts talking about his shitty PC games.

[Anonymous No.9815871]

>>9815863
>hating on /vr/ pc games for no good reason

Come on man you’re better then that, not even that anon but there’s plenty of great retro pc games

[Anonymous No.9815908]

>>9815871
Whatever nerd.

[Anonymous No.9815919]

>>9809629
Alice, Vampire and other port