/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9797731]

>"Left" his coworkers behind because it was dangerous and he could've died
>Stays around all night to save them even though he could've just assume they died and left, gives them a rocket launcher to kill the Tyrant for good
>Warns Jill about Nemesis before being killed by it
Say what you will about his "reckless abandoning" of the other STARS members at the start of the first game, he's a bro for sticking around and not just leaving completely to save his own skin.

[Anonymous No.9797743]

Bravely waiting around in a helicopter a dozen feet above the mansion away from all the danger.

[Anonymous No.9797825]

>>9797743
But he went back, nigger. He redeemed.

[Anonymous No.9797832]

>>9797825
Hey dumbshit, know what this is? Could've thrown it over the graveyard to get his friends out but he didn't. Nemesis was right in snuffing this bitch coward's ass.

[Anonymous No.9797853]

>>9797743
>>9797832
What was he supposed to do? Land in the forest and get killed by zombie dogs and not he able to save anyone?
>graveyard
Not in the original game, and that'd only save the player character and no one else, same with the part outside near the caves where you have to drain the water.
He was right to stick around until daybreak

[Anonymous No.9797861]

>>9797853
>What was he supposed to do?
Do what the chopper pilot did in RE2, since there's no Nemesis in RE1 to fucking shoot him down. How about that?

[Anonymous No.9797874]

>>9797861
>drop ladder outside mansion
>player character finds it
>wesker finds it second
>kills brad and the player character
>plan with STARS still goes to plan with the others
This is what you want.

[Anonymous No.9797875]

Why couldn't he just land on the helipad and wait instead of flying around and wasting fuel all night?

[Anonymous No.9797882]

>>9797875
(You) are aware that they made it to the mansion.

He wasn't. He was activately looking for (You), the cutscenes make that pretty clear. It's why you use the flare, remember? To signal your presence?

[Anonymous No.9797886]

and yes I agree with OP.

Let's not forget that the previous chopper went down, and at that point, they didn't exactly what happened. He did the right thing and saved everyone.
His reputation is undeserved and the whole "chickenshit" thing feels like it was shoehorned in by the devs so they'd have an excuse, a quick simple explanation, why the team was left behind; when it could have been handled better very easily, for instance showing / saying that the Cerberus were closing on the helicopter.

[Anonymous No.9797893]

>you're our amazon jill!

[Anonymous No.9797897]

>>9797874
>wesker
So fucking what. Fight him at the graveyard.
You go this far to defend some faggot who can't even keep his composure enough not to run away instead of fighting Nemesis like Jill does, despite being a swat officer.

[Anonymous No.9797903]

>Wesker's entire plan depended on Brad being a giant pussy

[Anonymous No.9797908]

What did he eat?

[Anonymous No.9797919]

*services your helicopter*

[Anonymous No.9797948]

>>9797882
I don't think I've seen the intro since I was a kid. I had to watch it a few times but at first it looked more like he just bailed when stuff started happening. Chris shouts "no, don't go" which comes across to me as "Brad where are you going, you're not just leaving us here?", as if he'd just dropped them off. Your explanation makes sense though.

I have played the game a lot over the past few years, but I've never actually watched the intro in that time. In-game makes it seem like he's just hovering around waiting for someone to radio in which is something he could do on the ground. I'm a retard in case it wasn't obvious. If a flare appeared from somewhere else he wouldn't have been able to spot it from the ground either. At this point if I'm in his position everyone is guaranteed dead.

[Anonymous No.9798860]

>>9797948
>I had to watch it a few times but at first it looked more like he just bailed when stuff started happening

That's what happens yes, iirc the manual gives the explanation that he's a "chicken". I always thought this was a stupid explanation (special ops member and he's a chicken? How did that happen?) and as I said >>9797886
there could have been a much better explanation easily if the writers weren't retarded instead of being like "let's pull a strawman, who cares, it's a video game"

[Anonymous No.9799441]

>>9797731
>STAR members are basically SWAT teams or something
>have trouble breaking down wooden doors
>show up with barely any equipment for a special operation
the whole game is retarded writing wise

[Anonymous No.9799672]

>>9799441
Wesker as captain probably ensured that STARS squads should be undertrained and scarcely equipped when shit hits the fan.

[Anonymous No.9799731]

>>9799672
>don't worry guys everything we need is in the helicopt--oh wait

[Anonymous No.9799778]

>>9799441
>Super special forces cops unit
>Almost every single member of the team is shown holding high-grade firearms in their group photo
>Arrives at the scene with nothing pistols, one shotgun and one grenade launcher (the latter of which is really out of place since they were supposed to be doing a basic raid and search on an old man's house)
>Lands a helicopter the middle of nowhere at night instead of arriving during daytime with armored vehicles through normal roads like normal police officers would do
>Don't even land at the building's fucking helipad, the optimal entry point for a surprise police raid
>Get lost in the fucking front lawn of the mansion without even knowing which cardinal direction the building they have to raid is supposed to be, without a map or a compass or memory of their briefing
>The two teams don't even arrive at the scene all at once in a coordinated manner, causing the first team to get their shit pushed in
>One of them even manages to get owned by fucking birds instead of just staying inside (and blasting zombies with said grenade launcher)
>One of the super special forces cops presumably trained to be the best in the whole department is a coward who literally abandons the rest of the team in his helicopter because a couple of dogs scared him shitless
>Wesker depended on all of this dumb shit for his plan to succeed
STARS are just retarded. "Wesker dun it" is a bullshit excuse.

[Anonymous No.9799848]

https://youtu.be/pEtmuBpwaIw
probably the best bit of writing out of RE3:RE

[Anonymous No.9800129]

>>9799778
It'd be more fun if STARS were a bunch of yokel cops larping as high speed operators on the weekend who got in way, way over their heads.

[Anonymous No.9800240]

>>9799778
I don't think they knew about the mansion in advance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWo0Hhx07Pc

[Anonymous No.9800248]

>>9800129
considering they buy custom guns and have no standard uniform they probably are

[Anonymous No.9800413]

>>9799778
>Super special forces cops unit
>Almost every single member of the team is shown holding high-grade firearms in their group photo
>Arrives at the scene with nothing pistols, one shotgun and one grenade launcher (the latter of which is really out of place since they were supposed to be doing a basic raid and search on an old man's house)
>Lands a helicopter the middle of nowhere at night instead of arriving during daytime with armored vehicles through normal roads like normal police officers would do
>Don't even land at the building's fucking helipad, the optimal entry point for a surprise police raid
>Get lost in the fucking front lawn of the mansion without even knowing which cardinal direction the building they have to raid is supposed to be, without a map or a compass or memory of their briefing
>The two teams don't even arrive at the scene all at once in a coordinated manner, causing the first team to get their shit pushed in
>One of them even manages to get owned by fucking birds instead of just staying inside (and blasting zombies with said grenade launcher)
>One of the super special forces cops presumably trained to be the best in the whole department is a coward who literally abandons the rest of the team in his helicopter because a couple of dogs scared him shitless
>Wesker depended on all of this dumb shit for his plan to succeed
>STARS are just retarded. "Wesker dun it" is a bullshit excuse.
WTF are the first two guys from the left?

[Anonymous No.9800426]

>>9800240
What the fuck were they raiding in the middle of nowhere, then? "Jill run for that house" sounds like they didn't know where the mansion was and thought it was a random house when they found it.

[Anonymous No.9800602]

>>9800426
Bravo Team was investigating the woods because there had been reports of bizarre creatures, hikers being mauled by unknown animals and families living on the outskirts of Racoon City being attacked by cannibals. Their chopper went down near the mansion (I don't think it's ever explained what the fuck brought their heli down) and Alpha Team sees the wreckage, lands to investigate, and shit hits the fan.

[Anonymous No.9800683]

>>9800602
Rebecca says she serviced the chopper recently so either it was sabotage or having the eighteen year old medic recruit check it over was a retarded idea

[Anonymous No.9800963]

>>9799778
Pretty sure they didn't know about the house except for Wesker. My theory has been that Wesker knew Umbrella was responsible for the hikers'deaths, then decided to test STARS out on their real first mission against the BOWs he helped create. It would explain why they were so underprepared, since they've been sitting on their asses in an office for months not doing anything.

To their credit, STARS were operating on intel that they were just investigating some animal attacks in the woods.

[Anonymous No.9800984]

>>9800963
>>9800602
Fine. How did they not see a massive mansion with its lights on in the middle of the forest from the helicopter? They weren't stupid enough to go to an area with such low visibility that they'd land a helicopter such these conditions.
In fact how the fuck did the cops NOT know there's a giant mansion in the Raccoon forest? It was the house of the dude who founded Umbrella, was the Umbrella country club, and has been sitting there for 30 fucking years before the incident.

[Anonymous No.9801059]

>>9800984
Actually two mansions and a train that connects the two, and the lab in RE2. If RE0 is still canon.

I'll go out on a limb and say that STARS was mostly made up of out-of-towners. They probably had little reason to suspect Umbrella being related to the murders. As for the first helicopter, it was sabotaged and crashed. Alpha team were probably going right away in the middle of the night. They heard about Bravo team's situation and went to land at the clearing next to the derelict heli.

[Anonymous No.9801064]

>>9801059
>They probably had little reason to suspect Umbrella being related to the murders
Did they not suspect the fact that nobody in the mansion called the PD to report a literal crashed helicopter of theirs on the front yard?

[Anonymous No.9801082]

>>9801064
Even if they did, their two bosses giving them the orders were Chief Irons, a literal murderous rapist on Umbrella's payroll and Albert Wesker, a terrorist who works for Umbrella. STARS was fucked since day zero.

[Anonymous No.9801175]

>>9797731
Why didn't he just call for backup? I mean I know the chief is corrupt but also he didn't exist yet so shut up.

[Anonymous No.9801178]

>>9797874
You don't seem to understand the actual point. It doesn't matter if it would or wouldn't have worked. He had no way to know Wesker was evil. The point is TRYING makes him not a retard pussy even if it ended up backfiring in a way he couldn't predict.

[Anonymous No.9801336]

>>9797731
why did he flee anyway, like, he's in a fuckin chopper

[Anonymous No.9802495]

>>9800413
The helicopter pilots for Alpha team and Bravo team.

[Anonymous No.9802578]

why does the team sharpshooter carry a grenade launcher? how does he get bodied by zombies/crows with said grenade launcher?

[Anonymous No.9802732]

>>9801059
>I'll go out on a limb and say that STARS was mostly made up of out-of-towners.
I don't know about the rest of the crew, but the old character profiles for Chris always said he was from the NYC STARS unit. That's why his ending screens show him in the city. You also have the newspaper in the intro that says STARS was 'sent in' to save Raccoon City. I always got the impression they were more like State police rather than local cops when I played it originally.

[Anonymous No.9802742]

>>9800413
Half of these are (You) problems: reading comprehesion between you and the story

[Anonymous No.9802887]

>>9802742
Shut up retard.

[Anonymous No.9802906]

>>9800413
>>9802495
Wasn't Chris Brad's copilot?
Pretty sure the guys on the left are supposed to be Kevin Dooley and Edward Dewey, the Bravo team pilots. They probably hadn't really nailed down what they were supposed to look like yet, which is why neither of them look like the Dewey we see in RE:0. I don't we've ever actually seen Dooley outside of brief shots of him with his helicopter helmet on in 0, his disembodied hand in OG1 and his half-eaten face in REmake.

[Anonymous No.9803217]

>>9800129
So they're your average American Police force now.

[Anonymous No.9803221]

>>9797731
Don't you perverted freaks get tired of reposting the same thread over and over?

[Anonymous No.9803387]

>>9798860
>>9799778
IIRC all their gear was on the chopper that Chickenheart Vickers took off in. The Alphas were only dropped off to check out the Bravo's downed chopper at that point, so they left the majority of their gear behind expecting to carry their injured buddies and evac them before investigating the Arklay Mountains area.

The SD Perry novelization of RE1 is pretty good

[Anonymous No.9803408]

>>9803387
>all their gear was on the chopper
SWAT teams don't walk out of their vehicles without their basic gear and then go "oh this might be a little tougher than usual, let me go back and get bigger guns", especially since a police helicopter went down near the site where they were investigating murders. It wasn't a low alert situation to begin with.

[Anonymous No.9803590]

>Lure a swat team that is supposedly skilled enough to be world famous to the mansion to get "muh combat data" for your BOWs.
>some stupid twats actually manage to die to the basic bitch accidental byproduct zombies and angry birds before you can even wake the Hunters and Tyrant up.

[Anonymous No.9804008]

>>9799778
>Arrives at the scene with nothing pistols, one shotgun and one grenade launcher (the latter of which is really out of place since they were supposed to be doing a basic raid and search on an old man's house)
Even worse, they apparently aren't carrying much of any ammo for any of them.
Ostensibly the 40mm grenade launcher could have used teargas shells or baton shells or something (or signal flares), but you only ever find explosive and 'acid' ones.

You're correct that they're overall very poorly equipped. Wouldn't have been expensive to get each of them a basic shotgun, maybe some old M1 carbines, since surplus wasn't completely dried up yet in the 90s.

>Don't even land at the building's fucking helipad, the optimal entry point for a surprise police raid
They weren't actually planning to raid the mansion though, they may not have had any idea that it had a helicopter pad at all. Also, helicopters are very loud, if you're coming in from there, they'll hear you before you've had the time to even land, so that'd be no good for a surprise raid.

Assuming they planned to raid the mansion, it'd make sense to surround the place and blockade it, and THEN you could try to make an entry via the helipad.

>>9800129
In that case, it might actually be realistic.

[Anonymous No.9804041]

>>9800602
I'm assuming sabotage or maybe even a small bomb.

>>9800683
I feel it's dubious that an 18 year old would be qualified for maintaining a helicopter, but then you start wondering all the other things she wouldn't have had the time and experience to have learned or be qualified for.

>>9800963
>To their credit, STARS were operating on intel that they were just investigating some animal attacks in the woods.
In which case you'd think they'd bring some more shotguns or some hunting rifles. Shit, wouldn't have to be expensive, old milsurp rifles were still dirt cheap at the time, something like a Yugoslavian Mauser or a garbage rod would cut it.

[Anonymous No.9804110]

>built the mansion to disguise a hidden lab
>a hidden lab
>make entrance to lab hidden in a fountain
>have a second non secret entrance
>second entrance to hidden lab accessible from helipad
>have no clear road to the mansion so investigations by helicopter is more likely.
ill give them the benefit of the doubt that the other exit out of the helipad was sealed after it was too late but this is still complete idiocy.

no one died to crows. forest got heavily injured inside the mansion retreating to the terrace where he bled out and crows pecked at his corpse.
the most unprepared here is wesker. he is aware people are dying OUTSIDE of the mansion. he knows they could potentially be dogs but he goes out on the field anyway. what happened to joseph could have happened to anyone of the rest of them. wesker already knew even if hes bitten once hes ded.

[Anonymous No.9804481]

>>9804110
>wesker already knew even if hes bitten once hes ded.
Had he already injected himself with the virus at this point to revive him if shit went sideways? I forget exactly what the retcon says. If not maybe Wesker just thought he was that damn good...and maybe he was. Also notice he sticks close to Barry in the intro, probably on purpose. Jill and Chris were presumably close together also. Joseph seems like he wanders off a bit when he finds the hand making him the natural first target of the dogs.
Agree about Forest.

[Anonymous No.9804708]

>>9804110
>forest got heavily injured inside the mansion retreating to the terrace where he bled out
"To death"

[Anonymous No.9805075]

how come the victims who were apparently eaten never turned?

[Anonymous No.9805082]

>>9805075
The zombie virus in the RE series turns people into rotting cannibals, rather than reanimating corpses. They're still technically alive, while ones that get eaten just die.

[Anonymous No.9805085]

>>9805082
maybe in re1 but re2 has morgue zombies 3 has graveyard zombies and cv also has graveyard zombies

[Anonymous No.9805120]

I love how new posters get into the thread, without reading anything posted before, only to post the same mistakes as the others before them and show they too lack basic reading comprehesion or attention span for a story as simple as Resident Evil, all while thinking they're bringing up smart points.

You people are double dumb and it's even worse on the week-end.

[Anonymous No.9805189]

>>9804708
statement still stands. the storytelling clearly shows he took bulk of injury from inside but the birds ks. if you really want to live out your avian fantasies you can say he got owned in the picture puzzle room.
>>9804481
retcon is right before their meeting in the tyrant room. i dont know why they went by the death ending. did they forget theres endings where wesker escapes? shirley by the point they wanted to turn him into a goofy super villain they knew the most common ending people got was the jill good ending where he lives.

[Anonymous No.9805208]

>>9805189
I'll trust Barry's word over your dumbass fanfics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4X44BYvH0w&t=46s

[Anonymous No.9805218]

>>9805208
this pussy is just saying what wesker told him to say

[Anonymous No.9805237]

>>9805208
right because he states it with such conviction!
>he was totally definitely killed by Corvus brachyrhynchos – American crow (United States, southern Canada, northern Mexico). i probably saw the event in action while running towards the mansion i guess (citation needed)?
if you cant observe the games narrative >>9804110 thats on you.

[Anonymous No.9805238]

>>9805218
That's two instances of proof against none from you buddy.

[Anonymous No.9805246]

>>9805237
The crows are infected you stupid fucking retard. They're literally one of the bioweapons listed in the goddamn Biohazard Perfect Guide from 1997.
Have you even played the fucking game?

[Anonymous No.9805338]

>>9805237
>>9805246
You guys are both right. It's pretty clear, between some of the blood splatter on the walls inside and just by looking at Forest's injuries, that he got fucked up by something in the mansion.
Then he went on to the balcony, where the infected crows (dangerous but not usually life threatening) finished him off in his weakened state.

[Anonymous No.9805439]

>>9805189
>the jill good ending where he lives.
He doesn't escape. He gets dabbed on by a Chimera while setting off the self destruct.

[Anonymous No.9805584]

[Anonymous No.9806107]

>>9805584
Are there any RE art books? I've seen the concept art floating around but never any full books.

[Anonymous No.9806274]

>>9797743
Have you ever played a Resident Evil game? Being a helicopter pilot is more or less asking for you to get a rocket up the ass (or in RE2, machine gunned).

[Anonymous No.9806328]

>>9806107
its interesting as at the point this concept was made leon was already working in the station during the events of re1. i know thats supposed to be roy.
>>9805439
his body was added to the directors cut version which im slightly less familiar with.

[Anonymous No.9806337]

>>9801178
> He had no way to know Wesker was evil.
Maybe he did. Smarter than the rest of 'em.

[Anonymous No.9806401]

>>9806328
You can find Wesker's body in that room since the original release.

[Anonymous No.9806425]

>>9797919
I want Becky to service my helicopter, if you understand my meanings.

[Anonymous No.9806431]

>>9806401
actually is that true? you dont have to go back to the power room after he escapes so the 1 time i ever did go back in there was in the dc and just assumed it was a flavor of life addition to that ver. i would look it up but youtube is infested with this re4 bullshit to find any appropriate video of that specific ending and location

[Anonymous No.9806532]

>>9806425
I don't follow.

[Anonymous No.9806578]

>>9805584
For me, it's Ms. Rebecca Chambers.

[Anonymous No.9806619]

>>9799441
>video game about finding keys
>barry shoots door open
top lol

[Anonymous No.9806627]

>>9806425
You have a helicopter or a dick that resembles one?

[Anonymous No.9806775]

>>9804041
>In which case you'd think they'd bring some more shotguns or some hunting rifles.
>Shit, wouldn't have to be expensive
And if they ended up searching the woods on foot would you expect them to be carrying a small arsenal? Cost isn't the issue, you take what you need to defend yourself and survive if shit goes sideways. Imagine safely carrying 2 or 3 long guns and a bad full of ammo over uneven terrains in darkness and rough conditions. Yeah they were under prepared for what they encountered but they probably thought they'd be doing an investigation and tracking something in the innawoods if they could pick up a trail.

[Anonymous No.9807248]

>>9806775
They were investigating murders, who the fuck wouldn't go well-armed?

[Anonymous No.9807451]

>>9806578
cute

[Anonymous No.9807490]

>>9806431
Pretty sure his corpse is there in the original too, original mode in DC is identical to the original release. hell the Saturn version even has him as a zombie in the battle mode.

[Anonymous No.9808362]

>>9806425
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.9808371]

>>9805120
>it's even worse on the week-end
Alcoholism

[Anonymous No.9808380]

>>9808362

[Anonymous No.9808392]

>>9799778
>he interprets a body on a tiny balcony feeding birds as someone pecked to death
holy autism

[Anonymous No.9808414]

always thought forest was native american for some reason

[Anonymous No.9808479]

>>9806107
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