MiSTer FPGA

File: 144 KB, 1200x1200, image_f7cbf1a2-39ed-46c6-9320-4af496e09b4e_1200x1200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

MiSTer FPGA Anonymous Thu Mar 30 20:32:37 2023 No.9783524 [Reply] [Original]

Figures, for weeks when there was nothing new to talk about this thing whatsoever we would have one to three topics active all the time on this board.

But now that there are actual developments happening like a NeoGeo-CD core, an IREM core, the Outrun core going public, CPS3 being worked on, etc it's dead silent here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 20:34:42 2023 No.9783530 >>9783524 Nobody cares about those cores I guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:11:06 2023 No.9783695 Commodore 128 core is neat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:28:08 2023 No.9783730 the fact that this thing has been out for so many years and is still missing a bunch of cores just shows how big of a meme it is

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:37:03 2023 No.9783743 >>9783730 Sorry, I'm actually a genius and have developed a core for every system in existence in three weeks but I've been hoarding them

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:43:51 2023 No.9783759 >>9783743 theres no excuse for all the 8-bit computer cores its missing what really bothers me is the super nintendo core doesnt have super gameboy support, only a hacked together version of it on the gameboy core does thats missing features

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:46:47 2023 No.9783765 >>9783524 Why do these things look so damn weird?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:49:30 2023 No.9783776 I can't find it in stock anywhere. Got a bonus at work and want to buy one for not retarded prices but I can't find it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:50:04 2023 No.9783779 >>9783765 Because it's a hodgepodge of shit smacked onto a development board that was never intended to be sold outside of education. There are ports on every side, it's a total mess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:50:24 2023 No.9783781 >>9783776 AliExpress has full kits every day

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:54:42 2023 No.9783791 >>9783759 there is a dedicated super gameboy core now, what features is it missing?

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:56:01 2023 No.9783794

>I need a short cable to connect these two devices
>should I get one obviously designed for that sort of connection?
>no, I'll get one with the end facing the other way so I have to bend the end of the cable far back over itself to make the connection
>this will in no way damage the cable or stress the connector
As someone who used to run Cat6, this angers me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 22:57:36 2023 No.9783797 >>9783781 Link? Retrocastle is oos

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:02:10 2023 No.9783805 >>9783759 There's a separate SGB core which is a true Super Game Boy, dumbass.

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:04:40 2023 No.9783813
File: 3.85 MB, 1600x2400, 1666845988476.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9783765
it doesnt have to be. you can put it in a mini itx or make a custom case. not a fan of the ports coming out all sides nor do I like the idea of wearing out the ports directly on the de10 nano iself so I made my own case out of a junction box. cost me about $65 for everything including a 120mm noctua fan and the cheap ass chinese hole saw I needed to make a hole for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:06:48 2023 No.9783820 >>9783797 Looks like RetroCastle has at least 1 in stock. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803092474258.html There's a bunch of stores selling at this price-ish, little higher than RetroCastle. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805100346157.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:08:38 2023 No.9783826 >>9783791 >>9783805 it doesnt do enhanced sound and it wont run the version of space invaders thats just a snes rom in a gameboy cartridge

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:08:53 2023 No.9783828

>>9783813
This is really nice, great work anon. If I bought one I'd probably be compelled to do the same. I'm thinking about getting an OG MiST since they're cheap-ish and have decent cases and port placement from the get-go. Not to mention I'm more interested in the computer cores than console / arcade.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:11:09 2023 No.9783837 >>9783826 It literally does. It's a SNES core with all redundant enhancement chips removed and Gameboy core added in, running Super Game Boy system roms.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:16:16 2023 No.9783845 >>9783820 Yeah. I guess they do, I was looking for analog out, but beggars can't be choosers. I will still wait because otherwise I can emulate on a pc. This is just for a crt

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:22:55 2023 No.9783857 >PC98 core is still dogshit I sleep

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:23:03 2023 No.9783858 >>9783776 Just get the board from Terasic and put it together. It's not like there is any soldering involved or anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:24:57 2023 No.9783861 >>9783813 That case looks like it came straight out of the 1950s

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:27:59 2023 No.9783867 File: 147 KB, 640x426, MIC_Torino-altair8800.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9783861 Altair 8800 aesthetic

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:29:26 2023 No.9783869 >>9783826 you still thinking of the regular gameboy core's super gameboy setting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:29:40 2023 No.9783870 >>9783524 >>9783813 Gay

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:37:01 2023 No.9783880 >>9783857 X68k too. Tragic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:40:19 2023 No.9783883 >>9783828 you should check out this thread. lots of people put theirs in old pc keyboard cases like commodore 64 and acorn electric. theres reproduction kits for this I believe https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=96&start=540

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:08:59 2023 No.9783935 >>9783870 NO U R

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:13:35 2023 No.9783941 >>9783867 First thing that came to mind, although that is more 70s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:41:12 2023 No.9783973 >>9783941 Altair was pretty retro looking for its own time. You can't say right away that this thing predates Apple II by just a few years.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:10:53 2023 No.9784017

I'm visiting family right now and got to try one of these since my dad owns one. Pretty cool, honestly! I played several games I actually own copies of and couldn't tell the difference. The menus are pretty easy to navigate and everything loads up very quickly. There's already a pretty great selection of arcade cores on there. I think once the project's matured a bit more that I might want to buy one to throw in a JAMMA cabinet.
He doesn't have a case on his yet, but he threw a heatsink and a fan from an old GPU on there and cut some spare plexiglass he had lying around to cover up part of the board. He told me about the MT-32 raspberry pi thing. It looks as cool as I thought it would. It's been fun seeing him tinker with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:17:54 2023 No.9784025 File: 21 KB, 418x211, linkmeh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you wanted discussion about this device you could have just started a thread like normal instead of being a whiny little shit about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:43:11 2023 No.9784069 >>9783880 All the 68000 cores that aren't the Genesis and Amiger are bad unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:49:42 2023 No.9784075 Does anyone have any suggestions for using mt-32 pi with the Pi 3 B+?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:49:42 2023 No.9784076 >>9783524 Fuck I really want an mt32pi but ITS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A PI STILL IN 2023, THERE IS NO "PARTS SHORTAGE" YOU STUPID FUCKING KIKES

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:57:15 2023 No.9784089 >>9783524 can i play ninja baseball batman on this thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 02:14:27 2023 No.9784112 >>9784089 Yeah

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 02:34:35 2023 No.9784134 >>9784089 Not yet, but that's pretty much one of the most requested ones to get working on the Irem core. Will probably work soon as cores that just come out in an Alpha state tend to have compatibility shoot up quickly at first.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 13:48:32 2023 No.9784828 Hyped for the current work on Smash T.V. board. Playing it on a CRT in its native 55hz sounds awesome.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 13:54:28 2023 No.9784839 >>9784828 >native 55hz Would most CRTs even be able to support that? Never heard of a 55mhz CRT, have heard of 15, 20, 30, 50, 60, and 75 before.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 14:04:57 2023 No.9784859

>>9784839
>55mhz
>mhz
It's just hz. Vertical frequency is measured in hz (50hz and 60hz), while horizontal frequency is measured in khz or mhz (15khz, 24khz, 31khz, etc.).
15khz CRT TVs which support both PAL and NTSC should have no issues running at vertical frequencies between 50hz and 60hz. Some cores like Irem arcades are already 55hz or 57hz and they look great with slightly higher resolution possible thanks to reduced framerate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 14:10:17 2023 No.9784865 I still don't understand. So can you just buy one? Or are you meant to put it together yourself? Judging by how zero marketing went into how it looks, I'm assuming no one is profiting here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 14:10:19 2023 No.9784867 >>9783794 It's cool, man. This way you can hang the device from a hook easily.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 15:08:42 2023 No.9784961

>>9784859
>>mhz
>It's just hz.

Sorry, just so used to using MHz when talking about retro stuff as it's usually about CPU speeds that it's become a reflex to say it instead of hz. Yeah, I know for monitors it's in hz and usually talking about the vertical refresh rate.

>>9784865
>I still don't understand. So can you just buy one? Or are you meant to put it together yourself?

Both, you can jus put it together or buy one pre-assembled. It's pretty easy to put together though since it's just slapping a bunch of pre-made boards and a few wires together, even easier than building a modern PC, so I don't see the point of wasting money on a pre-built one.

>Judging by how zero marketing went into how it looks, I'm assuming no one is profiting here?

No, it's an open-source project and the whole board it's based around is an FPGA board that is heavily subsidized because it was designed for academic use. The manufacturer of the FPGA board is likely not profiting much from this either, and is not a fan of the project because the board was intended for educational use, not for people to make a videogame system out of.

It started off as an offshot of an older project that used a much weaker FPGA board called the MiST project whose only goal was to emulate the Amiga and Atari ST as accurately as possible using an FPGA, and others spun it off into the MiSTer project that now emulates dozens of different consoles and PCs from the 80s and earlier 90s eras.

Currently it can do just about anything up to the PS1 and Sega Saturn (Nintendo 64 is sadly out of reach) and pretty much all systems before it.

Since it's using an FPGA instead of software emulation it's about as 1:1 accurate and lag-free as you can get to playing on the original hardware without just, well, playing on the original hardware. This even makes it electronically compatible with many accessories like original controllers, memory cards, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 15:12:37 2023 No.9784972 >>9783524 When will they finally move to a better board make 6th gen cores already

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 15:25:24 2023 No.9785001
File: 54 KB, 679x808, 61yVss2dxwL._AC_SX679_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9784972
The only reason this thing is even possible to build without going into four figures is because the DE-10 Nano it's based around is heavily subsidized. And since that board is intended for academic use and is massively over-powered for that purpose, likely not for a long time.

That being said, someone a few weeks ago suggested there is another FPGA, A2000 or something like that I think? Which has far more logic gates than the Cyclone V FPGA on the DE-10 Nano but is significantly cheaper for some reason, it could be a viable alternative. It even can come as just the FPGA chip itself, as a dev board like the DE-10 Nano does (although I don't think that board has an ARM CPU or any RAM like the DE-10 does) or as a M.2-form factor board.

No idea why nobody has looked into this thing being a viable replacement for the DE-10 for the MiSTer project, I don't know enough about FPGAs to know if there is a viable reason or not it won't work (It's actually weaker? It lacks something specific? All the cores would need to be re-ported to work on it?

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:51:12 2023 No.9785973
File: 306 KB, 542x542, its joever.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>Read Jotego's public dev update
>CPS3
>Might throw in the towel and use existing Mame documentation and call it a day
Makes me not regret pulling out of the patreon when I did. That's a lot of work, I get it, but the autistic level of detail is what made his work exciting to look forward too and paid to support.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 23:08:19 2023 No.9785998 >>9783743 You're doing God's work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 23:11:53 2023 No.9786005 Thanks for beta testing, I'll swing in once the dorks do all the hard work to get 6th gen running, not interested currently

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 23:12:19 2023 No.9786008 I still don't understand the point of this thing. The majority of console emulators are almost 1to1. Besides the arcade fpga support, I can't see why this would win over a shitty laptop with a decent cpu and RAM.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 23:35:48 2023 No.9786043 https://youtu.be/F5__shDTYMQ

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 23:45:50 2023 No.9786064 >>9786008 >The majority of console emulators are almost 1to1 objectively false

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 23:47:34 2023 No.9786068 >>9786008 If you don't understand "the point" then you just don't understand enough about hardware and that's fine I guess.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 00:00:47 2023 No.9786089

>>9786005
>I'll swing in once the dorks do all the hard work to get 6th gen running

It can't even do the N64, the 6th gen is not happening.

>>9786008
>I still don't understand the point of this thing.

Essentially 100% accuracy

Pretty much zero added latency

Able to natively connect to CRTs

Able to natively connect with original accessories and controllers

HD output without the need of upscalers and/or mods

>The majority of console emulators are almost 1to1.

Incorrect for pretty much anything past 4th gen or even anything 4th gen and older that's not a major popular system

Also...

>Besides the arcade fpga support, I can't see why this would win over a shitty laptop with a decent cpu and RAM.

Because said "shitty laptop" would struggle with even cycle-accurate SNES emulation, and currently no consumer system would be able to handle cycle-accurate 5th gen emulation. The only transistor-accurate NES emulator currently runs as 1-2 frames per MINUTE on the most powerful home computers.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 00:14:40 2023 No.9786104

>>9786008
While it is true that software emulators have improved significantly over the years and can provide a very accurate emulation of classic gaming systems, the MiSTer FPGA offers several advantages over software emulators, especially for enthusiasts and collectors who are looking for an even more authentic retro gaming experience. One of the major advantages MiSTer has over software emulators is accuracy and latency which modern software emulation still struggles with. Display compatibility is definitely something that software emulators struggle with outside of modern displays but I guess you're thinking "who really wants to play old games on a CRT anyway?" As you mentioned, the MiSTer FPGA has support for arcade machines which can be a major advantage for arcade enthusiasts, as the MiSTer FPGA can provide an authentic arcade experience on a home setup without expensive supergun setups if planning to play on consumer displays.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 01:47:01 2023 No.9786240 >>9786089 What NES emulator is that? Sounds wild.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 01:50:21 2023 No.9786252
File: 1.10 MB, 2382x1746, 155648218-39b8e5b4-b89a-47b0-b9e9-ca1e94e74c80.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9786240
MetalNES, made by none other than Icer Addis, a.k.a. Shitman of Nesticle.

https://github.com/iaddis/metalnes

Sadly, it seems to be a VERY side-project that gets worked on infrequently.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 01:50:57 2023 No.9786254 >>9786252 Oh yeah, I remember reading about this. Thanks man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 02:41:21 2023 No.9786337 Is the MiSTer powerful enough to render PS1 and Sega Saturn games at 480p with Dual RAM?

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 02:54:45 2023 No.9786359

>>9785001
>A2000 or something like that I think?
A200T
https://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/fpga/artix-7.html#productTable

>I don't know enough about FPGAs to know if there is a viable reason or not it won't work
It takes a lot of effort to develop a brand new project. MiSTer already has a robust ecosystem of developers and parts suppliers to support it.

>I don't think that board has an ARM CPU or any RAM like the DE-10 does
That is probably a drawback. The DE-10 is a very versatile all in one board and I am not sure the A200T comes in as convenient of an off the shelf package. A custom board for it could be developed though. The whole package will probably cost more than a DE-10 however.

>It's actually weaker?
no it is a significantly more powerful FPGA than the one on the DE-10.

>No idea why nobody has looked into this thing being a viable replacement for the DE-10 for the MiSTer project
It got brought up because someone in the MiSTer scene is looking into it.
https://twitter.com/antoniovil/status/1633870376634548237
Hopefully it work out well. I would love a N64 FPGA core.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:30:46 2023 No.9786417
File: 128 KB, 1920x1080, MiSTerPSXNov2021.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9786337

Actually, the PS1 core does not need dual-RAM, it hasn't needed it since the alpha stages about a year ago. You only need dual RAM if you want to go from 99.99% audio accuracy to 100% in a handful of games.

The Saturn core is still very much in beta, but it's also heavily aiming to go single-RAM. The dude working on both the Saturn and 32X core is from the Ukraine so the fact that he's updating it at all right now is rather crazy.

Basically right now there is very little reason to run dual-RAM, especially since doing so makes it not possible to use the standard analog output boards. About the only thing you would possibly need dual-RAM for is debugging and development of cores on it, not actually using them.

And by "render" do you mean if it can just output that or if it can up-render polygonal based games like software emulators can? It can definitely output at 480p over digital and analog, and even far beyond that:

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/videomodes/

>The maximum value for width is 4096, height is 2048 and refresh rate is unlimited but it must be a whole integer value. The DE-10 may not be able to output the mode you select or your display may not be able to accept it. The maximum recommended video frequency is 210Mhz which limits the maximum resolution to 2048x1536.

If you mean render polygons at a higher internal resolution like software emulators do, that somewhat defeats the purpose of the device. Although I *think* there are some enhancements for some of the cores to do something like that now.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:45:08 2023 No.9786432

The hell is up with Terasic?
>Have their shit listed as pre-order for like a year
>Was the one thing that had put me off building a Mister. I'm impatient as fuck when it comes to these things
>Decide to just pull the trigger, I'll pre-order a DE10 Nano and just wait for it when they ship it in a months time
>A few hours later
>They've sent it
>Arrives within days of that

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:47:30 2023 No.9786436

>>9786359
>It takes a lot of effort to develop a brand new project. MiSTer already has a robust ecosystem of developers and parts suppliers to support it.

Yeah, that I know. What I don't know about is if it would require basically re-doing every core MiSTer has to work on this other FPGA. Obviously the add-on boards would have to be re-designed, but that's something that just has to be done once, having to have everyone who ever made a core port it or have someone else port them to the A200T is a much bigger hurdle than designing add-on boards for the A200T. People make new boards for the DE-10 Nano all the time to fit it in an ATX case, consolize it, connect it to an arcade cabinet over JAMMA, etc.

>That is probably a drawback. The DE-10 is a very versatile all in one board and I am not sure the A200T comes in as convenient of an off the shelf package. A custom board for it could be developed though. The whole package will probably cost more than a DE-10 however.

Possibly, depends what version of the A200T one uses though. There is just the bare FPGA chip.... somewhat out of reach for most to solder that thing onto a board. But there are also dev boards with that chip and a few other supporting components installed. And then there is that version I posted that basically puts the FPGA, a gig of RAM, and a few other components onto a M.2 board, it's basically a PCIe card (in fact, on Amazon the most common product purchased with it is a M.2 to PCIe adapter).

All one would need is an ARM CPU, and the CPU included with the DE-10 isn't even that powerful compared to others like what the Pi comes with. One could possibly pair a A200T with a Pi and get a significantly more powerful FPGA, CPU, more RAM, and other enhancements. Doesn't have to be the hard-to-get consumer Pi, could be something like the compute module. That could even leave enough CPU power left over to have built-in MT-32 emulation. (cont)

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:48:31 2023 No.9786439

>>9786436
That being said, I have no idea how tightly integrated the DE-10's FPGA and ARM CPU are with each other, and if even with using a PCIe connection it would be too slow or have other limitations to pull off what the DE-10 Nano does. Also, with it being basically a PCIe card it makes me wonder if it would be possible to install it in a PC and run an app to let the rest of the desktop do the work of the non-FPGA tasks while the A200T does the hardware emulation. The PC could take care of the RAM (although that module has 1GB on it too), CPU needs, video output, controller inputs, etc if someone just wanted a cheap route to accurate emulation since then they would only need that $150 A200T M.2 module and their very likely already existing computer.

>It got brought up because someone in the MiSTer scene is looking into it.
>https://twitter.com/antoniovil/status/1633870376634548237
>Hopefully it work out well. I would love a N64 FPGA core.

Yeah, that's where I heard of it too. People just talked about it in the thread and didn't look into it much, so that's when I did and was shocked to find out that you can get it for under $100, or well under $200 for modules like that M.2 one I mentioned. That's what makes he highly skeptical that I am just not understanding or overlooking something as I don't know much about FPGAs. A $150 FPGA significantly more powerful than the DE-10 with a M.2 PCIe interface and a gig of RAM for $150 that's readily available on Amazon and many other places? Sure it lacks an ARM CPU and some supporting hardware like ethernet or WiFi, but that's hardly going to cost an additional hundred to add, especially with the low-end ARM CPU it has. Even the Pi (if it ever gets back in stock at a reasonable price) runs circles around the DE-10's RAM and CPU and has that supporting hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:48:41 2023 No.9786440 File: 60 KB, 640x480, Screenshot 2023-03-31 20-39-57.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9786337 There's actually hack that renders 480i to 480p.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:51:10 2023 No.9786445

>>9786008
I was very skeptical myself and still don't see myself buying one (I already own a shitload of consoles and a PC and still use them), but the claims about it being noticeably more responsive than at least PC emulation actually seem to hold water, at least in my experience. I also honestly prefer the UI on it to any sort of Raspberry Pi setup I've used, something I honestly wasn't expecting.
A lot of the appeal comes from the novelty of "hardware emulation." It's just another option for people enthusiastic about this kind of stuff.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 04:14:34 2023 No.9786486
File: 159 KB, 1280x720, Clinger Winger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9786445
It's definitely an enthusiast device for those who want it to be as close to real hardware as possible, can actually notice the difference between emulation and real hardware, practice for tournaments, speedrun, cant proper output to analog/CRT screens, or to be able to use their original accessories with it. It's not meant to be a replacement for everyone in place of a Pi or PC emulators.

If you don't care about ant of that and just want to play the game, where some graphics or sound being off, or a few things maybe glitching up, or there being a bit of input lag and having to use virtual memorycards and modern controllers then just go ahead and use a Pi or your PC. It's like buying an expensive thousand-dollar sound system just to listen to podcasts on it when a budget pair of headphones would work just fine for that vs someone buying such a sound system to watch movies in a home theater setup or listen to hi-fi music.

Basically, if a Pi is good enough for you then likely you won't benefit from a MiSTer unless the UI and instant-on really REALLY appeal to you. If you want to get as close to playing on real hardware as possible without having several shelves of old consoles and spending thousands to get RGB/HDMI mods, flashcarts, and ODEs for them then the MiSTer is exactly what you would be looking for.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 09:17:29 2023 No.9786910

>>9786436
>What I don't know about is if it would require basically re-doing every core MiSTer has to work on this other FPGA
I might be wrong but i'm pretty sure them (cores) being designed for an FPGA means that they are pretty much compatible with any FPGA board and you don't need to port anything just load the code onto a new machine

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:12:58 2023 No.9787320 >>9786439 PC gpu and sound hardware is garbage. The most compelling use for FPGA is not the emulation itself but rather the low latency synchronized audio and video output.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:17:09 2023 No.9787342 it's almost like barely anyone cares about your $300 emulator

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:47:54 2023 No.9787467 >>9787342 Or most people who have one are just playing games and not shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:30:59 2023 No.9787847 >>9786486 >ethusiast device How much is MiSTerAddOns paying you?

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 17:14:55 2023 No.9787919

I found a snippet of code for the N64 verilog. Posting it here so more people can help. Can't post my source to avoid doxxing who's working on the core.

// N64FPGA top-level module
module N64FPGA (
input clk_50,
input reset,
input [1:0] joy_in,
output [31:0] joy_out,
output [7:0] vga_red,
output [7:0] vga_green,
output [7:0] vga_blue,
output vga_hs,
output vga_vs
);

// Instantiate the main components of the N64FPGA
CPU cpu(clk_50, reset, joy_in, joy_out);
RDRAM ram(clk_50, reset);
RCP rcp(clk_50, reset, ram, joy_in);
VI vi(clk_50, reset, rcp, vga_red, vga_green, vga_blue, vga_hs, vga_vs);

endmodule

// CPU module
module CPU (
input clk,
input reset,
input [1:0] joy_in,
output [31:0] joy_out
);

// Instantiate the CPU components and memory map
// ...

endmodule

// RDRAM module
module RDRAM (
input clk,
input reset
);

// Instantiate the RDRAM memory module
// ...

endmodule

// RCP module
module RCP (
input clk,
input reset,
input [63:0] rdram_data,
input [1:0] joy_in
);

// Instantiate the RCP components
// ...

endmodule

// VI module
module VI (
input clk,
input reset,
input [63:0] rcp_data,
output [7:0] vga_red,
output [7:0] vga_green,
output [7:0] vga_blue,
output vga_hs,
output vga_vs
);

// Instantiate the VI components and video output logic
// ...

endmodule

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 21:59:59 2023 No.9788597 >>9786910 not necessarily, but there is now a mister fork aimed at making this so

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:09:55 2023 No.9788618 >>9786432 If you're only buying one DE-10 Nano, then they'll almost always have one in stock for you. They say out of stock because the majority of orders they get are in bulk, because of schools or whatever ordering from them.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:31:52 2023 No.9788672

I've been using Mister fpga since 2020.
Never ever got a device that has this much stability for emulation.
The shit works like a clock, maintain constant speed without any errors/fluctuation, not even a tiny bit, audio/video never get desynch, tested at least twenty controllers on it, including stick arcade, never got any bug with any of them, you map the input one time and you are done.

Why can't we have the same shit for emulation software ?

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:38:39 2023 No.9788693

>>9787847
No bro the only way you can be enthused by something is if you spend thousands of dollars on a consoomer hobby. The person who has huge collections of junk in their house but only gets to the title screen once a week with the latest TinkerTranny5000 setup is definitely
More of an ENTHUSIAST than someone who plays games 10-15 hours in a week or whatever

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:08:40 2023 No.9788878 >>9787919 I thought pretty well everyone had ruled N64 as practically, if not completely impossible on the DE10 Nano?

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:18:11 2023 No.9788893

>>9788878
yeah, well they said the same about the PSX and Neo Geo. Besides, the developer who did the very impressive PSX core is working on a "mystery core". I can't think of any other core that would warrant the need to be labeled as such to hype itself up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the "impossibility" of the N64 core becoming a reality is due to the limitations of the DE-10 Nano specifically, but rather the sheer complexity of implementing it in FPGA at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:27:44 2023 No.9788908 >>9784017 Shilling in these threads is off the charts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:31:12 2023 No.9788917 >>9788908 Yeah it`s so good that I shill it for free.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:36:26 2023 No.9788931
File: 20 KB, 640x465, 20230309_072711-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9783759
>>9783730
Posts like this are beyond retarded, you know cores are open source being made by hobbyists right? Either that or engineers in countries so shit that getting paid via patreonbux in USD for less than american minimum wage is a good deal for them. It feels very entitled to complain about FPGA programming being done for free, if you dont like the project just dont buy a DE-10 Nano. Blows my fucking mind.

>>	Bruce Macdonald Sun Apr 2 00:45:40 2023 No.9788961 >>9788878 >>9788893 It's strictly an experimental core with zero prospects of any success. Who knows what can happen unless we try though.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:46:58 2023 No.9788965 >>9788672 Agree, it's incredible.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 01:08:08 2023 No.9789014 [DELETED]

>>9788693
>I'm too poor to afford older consoles, ODE's, Flashcarts, a collection of games & accessories.
>Please buy my MiSTer, it's better than all your consoles, even though it can't emulate Saturn, Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox, PS2 etc...but at least you get the 16 bit experience!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 01:10:11 2023 No.9789023 >>9788893 From my understanding, there isn't enough room on the FPGA for both the CPU and GPU, and the RAM is too slow.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 02:07:41 2023 No.9789136 [DELETED]

>>9789014
It can do Saturn though.
I fucking swear with you people it's like sour grapes.
>uhh you paid a lot. i bet it SUCKS! you're just playing old videogames (the ones this board was designed to discuss) STOP ENJOYING IT YOU'RE JUST A FUCKING SHILL FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 02:29:14 2023 No.9789168 >>9788893 There's someone working on a N64 FPGA core but it runs on a much more powerful FPGA

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 12:01:20 2023 No.9789847

>>9788672
>tested at least twenty controllers on it
how does it work with many controllers btw, like if i want to use a different controller for each core for example will they all be remembered after i map them once and can just switch them when i change the core?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 12:44:43 2023 No.9789890 >>9788908 >shilling open source software >shilling an educational development board sold below cost what did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 13:18:03 2023 No.9789921 >>9783524 Somebody please explain: why would I want to buy a Mister if I could get a Raspberry Pi 4 Recalbox and play all these cores right now for half the price? Wouldn't it be 98% the same experience?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 14:11:40 2023 No.9790009 >>9789921 It'd be about 80% the same experience. Your call if the money is worth it the extra 20.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 14:17:10 2023 No.9790020

>>9789921
Not even close. FPGA and Software emulation are different experiences by virtue of being different ways of achieving a goal. Think of FPGA as a reconfigurable clone console, because that's exactly what they are. It's a clone console and a "core" contains the instructions to reconfigure it into what you want to use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 14:17:15 2023 No.9790021 >>9789921 Standard gpu and sound hardware is shit for emulation. FPGA allows for perfect audio/video sync with no latency and exact frame rate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 15:24:46 2023 No.9790118 >>9790021 How do you even measure that? Some youtuber with a clapboard synching up his audio sources? Your margin of error is +-half of a 60fps frame already.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 15:32:13 2023 No.9790129 >>9790118 That's just due to how FPG works. Audio and video are generated in parallel on an FPGA, same as they would on a real console. So they get delivered in the same frame. This can't happen in software emulation, there's always a frame buffer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 15:33:16 2023 No.9790134 >>9790129 meant to say there's always a sound buffer. My bad. But you get the idea.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 15:36:52 2023 No.9790138 >>9790118 No measuring is required. The difference is trivial to derive from theory alone. Just as one does not need to use geometric construction to know that 1+1=2

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:02:47 2023 No.9790182 >>9790129 Okay but is it noticeable. Like at all. Oh nooo there's a buffer in my 2.4ghz cpu what am I gonna do with that .0000ms delay

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:09:08 2023 No.9790201

>>9790182
Honestly - it depends. Your typical emulation setup has about 50ms of audio lag. Powerful PCs can push beyond that, but I haven't been able to push beyond 26ms or so ever, which is honestly not perceivable by humans. Your raspberry will usually have around 64ms which is the default setting on Retroarch. That's 4 full frames of audio lag. That's getting into noticeable territory.

What FPGA does is give peace of mind that you just know there's 0 amount of audio lag whatsoever. Things just work as intended.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:12:19 2023 No.9790212 >>9790182 It depends a lot on your configuration. You can configure retroarch to be within about 1-2 frames of original hardware before runahead. Lower end hardware like le raspberry pi meme does worse with less buffering.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:20:08 2023 No.9790231
File: 2.03 MB, 2040x1530, 20230331_225726.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

I don't give a fuck about input delay, I have no idea why people try to use that to try to convince people when barely anyone cares.
The real gold is the compatibility with old hardware, emulation accuracy and being able to have all in a single box

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:25:55 2023 No.9790239 >>9790231 >I care very much about using original peripherals, but not using original hardware I struggle to imagine the person who can say this sincerely

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:27:55 2023 No.9790243 >>9790231 Anon, lower audio/video delay, low input lag and emulation accuracy go hand in hand. You can't have one without the others.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:31:12 2023 No.9790247

>>9790231
Nobody's trying to convince anyway, just stating facts.

I've been high-end emulating for ages now and I know the ins and outs of Retroarch as many here. I've been messing with settings and hardware to get less audio/video and input lag simply because games are more fun with less delay.

MiSTer just surpasses every emulation setup I've ever had with literally zero configuration work. It just works. I was finally able to just sit down and play games knowing there's nothing to measure and mess with.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:49:50 2023 No.9790289 Thanks, but for me it’s still the Chinese handhelds with 10x the power

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:56:15 2023 No.9790308 >>9790289 Are there any decent clamshell chink handhelds?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 16:58:34 2023 No.9790314 >>9790289 And that's fine, too. But FPGA "power" isn't measured by how conventional computers work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:22:22 2023 No.9790360 >>9785973 >Actually paying for this shit Stupid faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:24:24 2023 No.9790363 >>9786089 >The only transistor-accurate NES emulator currently runs as 1-2 frames per MINUTE on the most powerful home computers. You are not getting transistor-level accuracy on FPGA either

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:38:54 2023 No.9790398

>>9790239
no that guy, but I can absolutely say that sincerely. There is literally no discernable difference from playing on real hardware vs a mister, but there absolutely is when using original controllers vs say a usb ps4 controller and a flat screen vs a CRT. With mister I can get the exact same experience playing a game as I would have playing on original hardware without spending the money buying a 25 year old unreliable plastic box with failing hardware, and $100 games.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:44:00 2023 No.9790412
File: 518 KB, 480x432, 1679673575689742.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9783524
I don't know if you have noticed, but actual productive discussion is discouraged on 4chan and the internet in general so thats why you are seeing what you are seeing.

But I'm not the internet in general, tell me more about the new nerd cores, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:46:51 2023 No.9790415 >>9783779 >There are ports on every side, it's a total mess. Sounds like it was designed by /g/ then.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:58:26 2023 No.9790441

>>9789890
It's the usual poorfags unable to cope with the fact that people are willing to pay for an experience that to them makes a difference without autistically screeching "shill! shill!" to try to feel better about themselves without even realizing or being able to accept that this isn't just some chink emubox from Aliexpress using 20 year old software emulators but an open source device where nobody is really making money off of it and it's being done because the people involved are also retro enthusiasts trying to make something that gets you as close as playing on the real hardware as possible.

Ironically these same people very likely use software emulators that are also open source and don't generate profits either, but they can't seem to understand the difference that physical objects tend to have a cost and that doesn't mean the cost is a profit, just like how many emulators take donations but it's not a profit in most cases.

>>9789921
Already explained in
>>9786486

If your Pi is good enough for you, and you don't care about the input lag, inaccuracies, using original accessories/lightguns, or connecting to a CRT then you don't need one. The purpose of the MiSTer is to replicate the hardware to as close to 1:1 if not flat out 1:1, not just emulate the system in software in a playable state.

>>9790118
Pretty easy to record the Audio and Video and then compare the timing differences between two sources of them. Input lag is another that's also easy to measure, especially since you can split a controller to go to multiple devices at once. Considering that modern emulators have run-ahead options to try to combat it, the lag is definitely noticeable. Issue is even run-ahead doesn't get you as close as MiSTer, and it introduces additional problems as well as significantly increases demand on the CPU.

For something like Final Fantasy, not going to matter much. Something like fighting games, Battletoads (Clinger Winger anyone?) or rhythm games it will matter

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:02:14 2023 No.9790450 >>9790415 kek absolutely >>9790308 There are no good chink handhelds at all

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:14:45 2023 No.9790471
File: 688 KB, 1920x1080, MiSTer and MiSTer and MiSTer MiSTer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9783779
>There are ports on every side, it's a total mess.

You realize there are many other form factors/boards one can use than the default "sandwich" design right?

That are boards that turn it into a JAMMA board to install in arcade cabinets, boards that turn it into the Mini-ITX standard to install in a PC case, boards that "consolize" it, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:26:29 2023 No.9790501 >>9783779 I too would like to have reduced functionality in favor of it looking like a plastic 30$ chink shop special

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:35:30 2023 No.9790529 A MiSTer would be cool to have, but I find myself playing on my PC with retroarch with shaders connected to a 55" instead of my Wii connected to a CRT, so why bother spending the money?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:47:52 2023 No.9790558 >>9790529 No need to if you're happy as is. It's just a neat enthusiast device, not the be all and all of anything

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:48:17 2023 No.9790561 >>9790529 Misters are cool but yeah you can just use a computer from 2011 to emulate most consoles. I'll wait until chinks make them 30 dollars

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:52:06 2023 No.9790565 >>9790529 The Wii is a pretty shit emulation machine, the only good thing about it is that it has easy analog video output.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:01:28 2023 No.9790595 >>9790565 It's pretty decent for CRT use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:02:32 2023 No.9790601 >>9790561 Idk why chinks don't just take the MiSTer cores and make cheap ASIC clones. I'd buy a few of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:07:57 2023 No.9790617 >>9790601 I would bet we'll start to see these sooner than later; also would buy several.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:16:57 2023 No.9790640 >>9790617 Brazilians are already making much cheaper FPGA consoles with MiSTer cores that run up to the SNES. They even support actual game cartridges. I wonder why this hasn't caught on yet.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:38:44 2023 No.9790693

>>9790601
Because manufacturing silicon is not easy nor cheap, even for retro stuff like that. And the design of ASICs is set in stone... literally, you won't be able to update cores or add new ones to an ASIC. MiSTer is constantly getting new cores and updating old ones, an ASIC version would be like a MiSTer that you can never update. Imagine if someone made an ASIC MiSTer before the PS1 core came out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:50:47 2023 No.9790720 >>9790693 Yeah I get that, but they already pump out a ton of NES/SNES/Genesis clones already. The MiSTer cores for those are not getting updates at all and they're 1000x better than the ASICs

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:12:17 2023 No.9790771 >>9787320 >PC gpu and sound hardware is garbage. The utter state of FPGA trannies

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:25:39 2023 No.9790795 >>9790247 MAME is way better for arcade games you shill The Neo Geo driver on Mister sucks in comparison to latest MAME

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:29:32 2023 No.9790805 >>9790771 It is for emulation. Emulation requires perfect audio and video synchronization, such a thing is just not possible with most standard setups.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:55:59 2023 No.9790857 >>9790771 >dude trannies trannies trannies no they're not living rent free in my mind I just need to mention them on every other post I make Please, for the love of fucking god just fuck off back to /v/ where you belong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:58:43 2023 No.9790869 File: 831 KB, 2120x2601, 1529674322916.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9790857 Shut the fuck up reddit

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:59:48 2023 No.9790873 >>9790805 Goalpost moving

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:06:14 2023 No.9790890 >>9790795 I didn't even mention arcade games, retard. I don't care about those.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:07:12 2023 No.9790895 >>9790873 I just repeated what I said in my original post.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:09:39 2023 No.9790904 >>9783530 *Nobody cares about games and just wanted to post meme accuracy ftfy

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:10:48 2023 No.9790905 >>9790412 I never knew the totem there just flat out said it was giovanni... >>9790441 >or connecting to a CRT You can connect a pi to a crt. But yes. I don't have a mister and can see the clear superiority for emulating most things.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:16:29 2023 No.9790914
File: 106 KB, 640x640, 1653880998932.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Letting GCN/PS2 era games in as well as the traffic it brought from /v/ and Gen Z was a fucking mistake, jesus christ. Can we have just 1 fucking Mister thread without this shit?
>dude there's a thousand threads on /vr/ right now
>instead of ignoring the one I don't like about a device I don't understand I'm going to jump in and seethe about it because I need to feel validated
Literally no one is forcing you to buy this thing.
Literally no one is shilling, parts can be bought from multiple storefronts and Terasic can't fulfill mass-orders as it is.
It is okay that someone is enjoying a videogame in a format that is different to how you enjoy it. Go play with your software emulators if you want a cheaper way to play retro games, no one is fucking stopping you or taking it away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:18:01 2023 No.9790916 >>9790914 >the shill lashes out in rage as you cost him money

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:18:29 2023 No.9790918 >>9790916 Who am I shilling for, /v/tard?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:21:13 2023 No.9790927 >>9790918 Your mister and accessories storefront selling snes wires & controllers for $200 dollars

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:23:04 2023 No.9790930

>>9790927
Mister isn't a product. It's a device built from multiple parts, pre-builts are sold by a ton of stores. There's no 'shilling mister' because the existence of mister itself doesn't make anyone money.
>accessories storefront selling snes wires & controllers for $200 dollars
Oh? Which one? I bought my shit from a local supplier and didn't spend $200.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:25:50 2023 No.9790934
File: 53 KB, 949x599, 7ed37f756ecb28f38c965cc165deaf80-912133926.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9790914
>play with your software emulators if you want a cheaper way to play retro games
was going to ask you why are you seething so hard but i guess this is the answer.
Somehow i have more respect for shills than for audiophile-alikes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:26:01 2023 No.9790935 >>9790930 The one that you own

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:26:55 2023 No.9790936 >>9790934 When did I mention that software emulation was bad? I use it myself for shit my Mister doesn't run.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:28:19 2023 No.9790940 File: 2.33 MB, 500x250, tumblr_62538721f74e7279078e8864cdfe3e21_9aeb5ed0_500.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9790930

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:28:31 2023 No.9790941 >>9790935 Which one is that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:29:04 2023 No.9790942 >>9790941 The one you own the domain rights to xD

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:29:20 2023 No.9790945 >>9790942 Which is?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:30:10 2023 No.9790946 >>9790945 www.blackcockinmyassholealsogameaccessories.com/mister/accessories

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:30:45 2023 No.9790948 >>9790946 Nice maturity, /v/tard. Don't you have a twitter screencap thread to be making?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:31:48 2023 No.9790950 >>9790948 >grow up! >plays childrens games on 500 dollar devices

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:36:33 2023 No.9790960 >>9790936 is funny you think this is a gotcha moment when you are self owning your meme chipset by claiming it can't even do everything proper emulation can. Not even answering your strawman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:44:16 2023 No.9790978 >>9789136 >It c-c-can do the Saturn though. Please buy my MiSTer & resist the temptation of playing on your ood consoles or emulating on your PC, please? No. >Fuck you for not wanting to buy a MiSTer! Kek

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:57:27 2023 No.9791009 [DELETED]

File: 19 KB, 300x100, 164.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

What is it with all of this fucking cope? If either is so superior, why do these threads devolve into the battle for ultimate validation?

>can't afford a DE-10 Nano, a 128MB SDRAM, and a USB hub
>better make sure I let everyone know how superior software emulation is

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 21:58:41 2023 No.9791016 >>9791009 >>9790914 samefag

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 22:03:21 2023 No.9791030 >>9791016 What games have you played lately that actually bring joy to you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 22:14:43 2023 No.9791058 File: 593 KB, 1200x1200, Bronze-with-Pouch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9791009 >>why aren't you buying shit, ha! bet you can't afford it >what you mean a simple emulator can do anything and more this... c-can't be happening

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 22:25:57 2023 No.9791082 [DELETED]

>>9791058
My point is that people who actually enjoy one option over the other don't require shitting up threads about something they don't like. Seek happiness and validation through actually enjoying something. Join a thread discussing something that actually makes you feel happy.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 23:16:36 2023 No.9791186
File: 26 KB, 554x554, 7A4AE83E-5043-47C4-974A-841E91EF3026.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Would this thing be worth it if I was only interested in it for arcade games and maybe some retro PC stuff? I already have basically every retro console that's worth owning and I hate dealing with Mame.

Also, will a PC98 core ever be possible? And are there any arcade games that work on Mister but not in mame?

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 23:36:54 2023 No.9791223

>>9791186
If you are strictly interested in arcade games and PC, you'd have to first make sure which arcade boards and PC hardware currently has a public release core for it. The only PC core you might have to do deeper research for is the ao486 since I also misinterpreted it for being able to play virtually every DOS compatible game. One starting point would be checking which DOS games run on a i486DX-33 and don't require the missing FPU function. Whether PC-98 is possible is something I'll leave to someone knowledgeable to answer, but we do have PC-8801.

My experience with stuff like NeoGeo, Sega System 16, and the Capcom stuff is highly comparable to the cabinets at my local arcade because of the current level of accuracy and the lack of input delay. At this point, I don't think there is anything MAME can't technically can't at least load the ROM bootup test for. I'd suggest you instead look up videos comparing MiSTer and MAME since I won't be able to add anything beyond simple opinion.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 00:25:34 2023 No.9791303

>>9791223
I see a lot of arcade games that I like have a release, but based on your comment it sounds like the list I'm looking at is outdated because I don't see anything about Capcom stuff or System 16 games. Is there a definitive list anywhere?

As for PC stuff, I'm only interested in the main Japanese PC platforms. PC98, PC88, MSX, X68000, and FM-Towns. I see that a few of those do have cores but I don't see anything for PC98 or FM-TOWNS unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 00:35:01 2023 No.9791319 File: 222 KB, 500x806, 1478217431960.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9790415

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 00:46:23 2023 No.9791334 >>9791186 I would just stick with PC

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 00:53:40 2023 No.9791345

>>9791303
I found an article about the FM Towns Marty, but I don't know if it correlates with the non-Marty counterpart.
https://www.retrorgb.com/mister-fpga-news-outrun-core-out-fm-towns-cps3-and-more.html

As for a definitive list, I'm also having a hard time finding the most up-to-date one. This article seems to be the closest but it's missing OutRun which recently came out and is now part of the MiSTer Main update (which means it gets downloaded for you using the Update_All script).
https://www.timeextension.com/guides/all-mister-fpga-cores-and-where-to-download-them#mister-fpga-arcade-cores

One thing that isn't immediately obvious is that core developers seem to be considered their own groups that aren't directly part of the MiSTer FPGA Project so their cores aren't listed among cores officially developed directly by the MiSTer FPGA developers.

Jotego - CPS, Sega System 16, and misc.
If you want a specific region of a game and you don't see it in the main list, you can find it in the _Alternatives folder
https://github.com/jotego/jtpremium/tree/main/_Arcade

Atrac17 - scroll down past the ASCII art to see which arcade boards he's made
https://github.com/atrac17/Coin-Op_Collection

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 00:53:47 2023 No.9791346 >>9791186 >I hate dealing with Mame. you literally just put games files in a folder, boot it up, press tilde to enter options menu and configure the settings and start the game. holy shit, why do i share air with people lile this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 00:56:43 2023 No.9791353 >>9790471 You do realize your upper left pic is a joke, right? Looks made in MS paint

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 00:57:55 2023 No.9791354

>>9790960
>is funny you think this is a gotcha moment
When did I say or even allude to the fact that it was a gotcha moment?
Literally all I said was
>Software emulation is there if you want something cheap
Which is true. It's the cheapest way to experience retro games. I didn't say
>HURR DURR SOFTWARE EMULATION IS FUCKING GARBAGE GO BUY A MISTER RIGHT NOW
I use it myself. What the fuck is it with you people and turning everything into a petty little retarded argument? I just want to discuss shit I'm interested in, not turn this into a constant us vs them. You could have just ignored the thread if you had no interest in or hated Mister.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 01:01:09 2023 No.9791360 >>9791345 I forgot to add this and most likely to common list people come across. The official MiSTer arcade cores. https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/arcade/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 01:58:16 2023 No.9791424 >>9791346 The UI is literally cancer. I'm a software engineer and even I hate dealing with mame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 02:06:01 2023 No.9791432 >>9791353 >doesn't have a 3.5"-and-a-half drive ngmi

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 02:41:48 2023 No.9791469 >>9791424 It's shit from 20 years ago. Anybody defending that is just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 04:28:42 2023 No.9791608 >>9791424 >>9791469 you are in a fucking retro board playing stuff that's at least 30 years or older. What even is the complain here? just use mame plus if you are scared of the menu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 04:49:02 2023 No.9791629 >>9791608 If you can't understand the benefits of simplicity and convenience then that's your problem, not ours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 05:39:53 2023 No.9791682 >>9791629 >simplicity and convenience MAME ui is these 2 things. Again, just use an alternative front like MAME plus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 07:06:11 2023 No.9791750 >>9791682 >MAME ui is these 2 things It's literally not though. It's clunky and obtuse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 09:02:32 2023 No.9791871 >>9783524 >Figures, for weeks when there was nothing new to talk about this thing There is never anyting to talk about. Wake me up when it fixes a platform with broken emulation like N64, Dreamcast or PS2.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 09:37:14 2023 No.9791897

>>9791186
>Would this thing be worth it if I was only interested in it for arcade games and maybe some retro PC stuff?

Depends

https://www.timeextension.com/guides/all-mister-fpga-cores-and-where-to-download-them#mister-fpga-arcade-cores

Are these the games you are interested in?

As for PC again:

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/computer/

And yes, PC98 should definitely be possible, it's being worked on actually.

>>9791303
>I see a lot of arcade games that I like have a release, but based on your comment it sounds like the list I'm looking at is outdated because I don't see anything about Capcom stuff or System 16 games. Is there a definitive list anywhere?

That's because a lot of those cores are made by Jotego, which 3rd party and not considered "official" so they are not included in the official list on GitHub.

Also, FM-Towns is in development too IIRC.

>>9791319
Ah yes, the "tech" comic that is made by a clear Apple fanboy who desperately tried to defend Lord Jobs when people complained about the removal of the headphone jack by making this "rebuttal".

>>9791424
Shame that MameUI died, but at least the base version of Mame has a UI now, and yes, it's not great by any means, but I guess the most I can say is that it's better than that mess RetroArch.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 09:52:54 2023 No.9791908

>>9791897
I think I'm going to pull the trigger on it. But how likely is it that the project moves on to a more powerful FPGA in the somewhat-near future? Would it be better to hold off until then? I would hate to buy it now only to find out next year that that support is added for a more powerful FPGA that can support cool shit like Sega Model 3 or Naomi.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 10:06:30 2023 No.9791917

>>9791908
I would say pretty unlikely. The reason the DE-10 Nano is used is because it's heavily subsidized. Terasic's other FPGA boards which lack the ARM processor and have a weaker FPGA actually cost hundreds more because they are not subsidized models. And it's massive overkill for it's intended task, to be an educational board to learn FPGA programming on.

There has been talk of some alternative FPGAs that are more powerful, but other than a handful of tweets random people discussed nobody seems to even be aware of it much less consider it an alternative.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 10:15:59 2023 No.9791926 >>9791897 I hope we get Konami arcade cores some time. I'd love to play Simpsons and Turtles in Time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 10:19:20 2023 No.9791930 >>9791908 Random FYI but as someone who ordered the parts recently ignore Terasic's listing saying it's pre-order and will be shipped out at the end of the month. I ordered mine from the page and they shipped it out 2 hours later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 10:40:44 2023 No.9791954 >>9791917 >>9791930 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 10:48:51 2023 No.9791963 what's the benefit of getting an analog i/o board versus just using an hdmi to vga adapter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 10:56:13 2023 No.9791972 >>9791963 >Not having to use an adapter >Being able to plug it in to a CRT Idk you tell me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 11:20:05 2023 No.9791996 >>9791963 You have far more control over the VGA signal and depending on the adapter it can be of poor quality or introduce lag, many also need a separate power source too.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 12:22:31 2023 No.9792098

>>9791186
PC core is amazing and simulates a 486 with no FPU, I've been playing old games and it's been great, I've also been using an mt32-pi to get mt-32 midi support and period accurate keyboard and VGA CRT, great experience so far.
PC98 is being developed but it's not very stable yet, it's not in the main repository.
I think PC88 is but it's a bit rough right now.
I haven't tried amiga yet but it's supported

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 13:05:18 2023 No.9792163 >>9792098 >PC core is amazing and simulates a 486 with no FPU Sorry, I don't know what any of that means. Idk anything about old PC's, I just want to play PC98 games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 13:06:03 2023 No.9792164 >>9792163 PC98 core is not ready yet, barely anything plays, try again next year, if the DE nano is even available anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 13:10:20 2023 No.9792175 >>9792164 >if the DE nano is even available anymore Why wouldn't it be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 13:37:57 2023 No.9792206 >>9788931 >you know cores are open source being made by hobbyists right? do mister fags think this isn't the case for emulation in general?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 17:15:42 2023 No.9792761 >>9790565 See >>9790595 Never had a problem, so maybe PEBCAK. There's even newer versions of old emulators for it that are better forks.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 20:22:16 2023 No.9793256

>>9792206
Of course they know, that's the point. The person was arguing that people talking about MiSTer are just shilling. That anon was pointing out how you can't shill something that nobody is making any fucking money on, it's like shilling an open source software emulator.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 20:50:10 2023 No.9793316

>>9793256
not really, people were bullying this project for not having basic cores, and osaka came to the thread shitting herself about open source.
I'm interested in Mister, but shilled OS projects are everywhere and they are not somehow inmune of criticism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 21:43:08 2023 No.9793460 >>9793256 >That anon was pointing out that, like me, he doesn't know what words mean Many such cases.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 21:45:03 2023 No.9793464

>>9793316
Nobody said MiSTer is immune to criticism, we are just saying that people who complain the threads are just shilling when there is no profit to be made are fucking idiots who don't even know what MiSTer is.

>>9793460
Indeed, you are another example

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 22:20:28 2023 No.9793539 I understand what's going on in this thread now. >oh no something that I don't care about is being talked about on YouTube >better shit on it quick

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 22:55:15 2023 No.9793610 >>9790640 Sounds killer, anywhere I can check this out?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 22:55:59 2023 No.9793613 >>9793316 >osaka came to the thread shitting herself about open source Naomi? I hate that bitch.

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 02:15:03 2023 No.9793958

>>9793539
I feel like it's more just people wanting to shitpost and feel good about themselves and the time and/or money (or lack of) they put into their setup. This applies across everything.
>Software emulation users needing to feel superior because they spent the least amount on money on their hobby
>Hardware + real carts/CD users needing to feel superior because they have the money to support their hobby and are getting the most objective 'original' experience
>Hardware + flashcart users needing to feel superior because they've beaten the used game market
>Mister users feeling superior about getting hardware accuracy in one box
And it just fucking goes on and on
>I'm outputting to RGB
>composite is how it's meant to look
>my CRT is a PVM and yours sucks
>my crt is a PC monitor and yours sucks
>my CRT is a TV which looks authentic and it does RGB over component
>well I just use CRT filters have fun with your cancer boxes
It's fucking insane how much retarded bickering there is among people and their set ups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 02:17:21 2023 No.9793961 >>9793958 I wish we discussed video games here and not what we use to access them

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 04:15:01 2023 No.9794116

>>9793958
I think it would be more productive if people discussed why they prefer one solution versus another solution. All of this toxic shitposting makes it hard to understand what this MiSTer thing is even about.

>>9793961
So go find a thread discussing video games. What is so hard about that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 06:06:06 2023 No.9794240 >>9794116 >what is mister about Nerds lied to about what an fpga is think it's the same thing as having retro hardware

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 06:46:44 2023 No.9794279 >>9794240 To my understanding, it's attempting to preserve retro consoles at the schematic level. Wouldn't most retro gamers that want an authentic experience prefer an alternative to real hardware other than clones?

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 07:21:13 2023 No.9794309

>>9794279
Not him, but yes you're right. Ultimately a lot of retro consoles/hardware are dying, whether it be their internals with less people wanting to fix them or their shells getting yellow and brittle.
Mister/FPGA in general is community driven so not everything is going to be perfect at the start but ultimately the goal is to preserve them at a schematic level and give you an option to play as close to hardware as possible on a more modern device. Does a Pi do a good job? Yeah, it does. If that's the way you want to play your retro vidya then by all means. I enjoy my Mister and as someone who has a shit ton of retro consoles, find it a lot cleaner of a setup than 6 or so retro consoles on a switcher. I'm in my games quicker and enjoying them just as anyone else does.

Though this is the thing I don't understand with the toxicity of the anons against it, it's optional. No one is shoving it down your throat or forcing you to buy it. There's just threads that you're able to ignore/hide. It's the same with chink handhelds. People go into those threads to whine as if it's going to magically change the minds of people who are interested instead of just ignoring the threads.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 08:04:42 2023 No.9794363 >>9794309 >chink handhelds oh thanks for remnding me! almost forgot to post my daily "just use your phone" comment in there. got distracted telling everyone here to "just use your pc"

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 09:59:14 2023 No.9794453

What's the best resource for affordably picking up mister add ons? The ram mode, USB hub, digital IO board, real time clock, and a case (is that all I need?).

Does anyone have the Gerber's and Dom's? I wonder how much it would cost to get JLCPCB to make and populate the boards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 10:27:09 2023 No.9794476 >>9783524 What's there to talk about? >Oh hey they're working on x, y, and z >Really? >Yeah >Cool >Shills!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 10:31:37 2023 No.9794484 >>9794476 /thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 11:00:22 2023 No.9794509 File: 29 KB, 600x600, at least you tried star.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9793464 >doubles down on stupid >no u

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 17:18:45 2023 No.9795115 >>9793256 >nobody is making any fucking money >MiSTerAddOns sells this shit Nice try shill.

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 18:12:09 2023 No.9795234

>>9794453
For a barebones MiSTer FPGA setup, you will need a DE-10 Nano board, a power supply, a microSD card, a case (optional), input devices, an HDMI cable, and ROM files. As for the 128MB SDRAM, that's one of the not-so optional addons because practically every public release core requires it to some extent or even fully.

>RTC
Since I only play the arcade and non-portable console cores, I can't really tell you if this thing is even required.

>Gerber/Dom
This might help:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer/tree/master/Addons

>>9794309
With just this level headed post alone, I find it moronic that people who prefer software emulators develop this tribe mentality when in fact the FPGA and software emu devs work together. Nobody shitposting has contributed squat except:

>this thing that I didn't contribute anything to is better than your favorite thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 18:34:18 2023 No.9795273 >>9795115 You're right, they're selling a $600 for a completed MiSTer. To say no one is making any money off of this, is a complete lie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 18:34:41 2023 No.9795276 >>9795234 Even then you could use a Wifi Dongle for realtime clock for much less of a price (I bought a working one for just 8 dollars)

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 18:47:01 2023 No.9795298

>>9795273
Both MiSTerAddons and UltimateMiSTer have production costs, website upkeep, and time constraints to consider. Of course you gotta make a profit from selling pre-built kits to the community. That is solely where the profit is generated. Not only that, but a portion of each sale is donated to the MiSTer FPGA project directly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 19:03:19 2023 No.9795329 >>9795276 I've actually been considering getting a wifi dongle anyway, at least a 5Ghz one to pull updates and transfer small ROMs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 19:09:19 2023 No.9795340 >>9795273 Find a magic rope and tie it high.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 19:51:12 2023 No.9795427 >>9795273 True. Each part sold separately cost hundreds. You would think they would sell these parts cheap, but nope. You're better off buying parts for a gaming PC than buying small less powerful parts for a mister.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 19:56:11 2023 No.9795434 Magnavox Odyssey core never. Seriously, no one wants to turn a relatively simple DTL contraption into HDL?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 20:06:45 2023 No.9795453 >>9795434 >Magnavox Odyssey The best way to go about requestion a core is proving as much info as you can to the developers. Even partial schematics go a long way.

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 22:08:48 2023 No.9795703

>>9789847
From the operating UI you map the button of your controller like this
https://youtu.be/pZEpusjC6QA?t=706

That will be used as a default for all the cores, then if you want you can remap it for each core later.
You do this once and it will recognize it next time you plug it again.
It's hassle free, no need for all the drivers like on PC, pretty much every controller works on it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 22:15:20 2023 No.9795714

>>9795273
You don't have to buy it from them. The project is open source, you could have the boards printed somewhere like JLCPCB for dirt cheap, pick up the necessary components from Mouser or elsewhere, and populate the boards yourself. If you can't solder, some PCB manufacturing services have an option to populate the board for you. And as for a case, just download the 3D print files and order a print from somewhere or ask a friend who had a 3d printer.

You don't have to give those guys a dime. That $600 price tag is for the cost of materials and paying them for the labor of populating the boards and testing that it all works correctly. If you don't want to pay that much then cut out the middle man and do it yourself, it's not even that hard. The only expensive piece is the DE-10 nano itself.

Anonymous Tue Apr 4 22:17:16 2023 No.9795726

>>9795703
>You do this once and it will recognize it next time you plug it again.
I used to run a RetroPie setup around 2017 or 2018 and I really hated how I had to remap my controller every single time I turned it on. I'm only just now looking into getting a Mister and I'm glad to hear this

Anonymous Wed Apr 5 00:01:47 2023 No.9795937

>>9795234
>>RTC
>Since I only play the arcade and non-portable console cores, I can't really tell you if this thing is even required.

It's extremely optional. Very few games make use of an RTC, and if your MiSter is connected either by Ethernet or WiFi it can auto-sync the time on boot. It's more useful for if you don't have a reliable way to always have it online and want to manage your save data, since files will have incorrect timestamps otherwise.

>>9795276
>Even then you could use a Wifi Dongle for realtime clock for much less of a price (I bought a working one for just 8 dollars)

There are places you can get it for around $12-15, possibly less. I don't see why that part needs to cost anywhere near what it does.

>>9795434
>Magnavox Odyssey core never.
>Seriously, no one wants to turn a relatively simple DTL contraption into HDL?

Considering that there was only a single DOS emulator for that thing that stopped updating in 2009, I would say there would be more interest in a 3D0 core than a Magnavox Odyssey core. Didn't the "games" rely on sticking transparent images to your CRT anyway? I guess you could make the MiSTer overlay that over the video output, but I have to admit, that's the one retro system I can't see anyone having any interest in playing. There wasn't anything to even really play on it.

>>9795714
Pretty sure that's a samefag or the same two or so trolls, their argument doesn't even have any logic and ignores what has previously been said in this thread just to keep making the shill argument over and over.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 10:22:50 2023 No.9796637 >>9795434 No. The people who make these cores just understand that the system isn't what you imagine it to be. >>9795453 Who are "the developers" for the nonexistent odyssey core?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 19:44:40 2023 No.9797576 Quick question: With the current core developments, can I just buy a DE-10 Nano and a n HDMI to VGA adapter to connect to my CRT monitor? Which cores will I be able to run?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 19:53:11 2023 No.9797602 >>9783524 I tried to buy this, but $600 is way too much. I'll stick to emulation via PC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 20:03:17 2023 No.9797628 >>9797576 You'd still need to get at least an SDRAM module. Many cores (even deceptively weak system like NES) require faster RAM speeds than DE10-Nano can provide. You can still play Genesis, TurboGrafx and GBA games on a bare board though.

Anonymous Wed Apr 5 20:20:09 2023 No.9797675

>>9797576
Things you need:
>DE-10 Nano
Look up DE10-Nano Kit on the Official Terasic website [filter thinks website is spam]

>HDMI to VGA
People are recommending this one if you plan to use it on any kind of analog display
https://www.amazon.com/Rankie-HDMI-Adapter-3-5mm-Audio/dp/B00ZMV7RL2

>From VGA to consumer CRT or compatible
If planning to use S-Video and Composite, get the active filter one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325527354295?hash=item4bcaf13bb7:g:HIoAAOSwSvBj4vXg
Passive filter if only planning to use S-Video because I heard Composite is not as good
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325263425946?hash=item4bbb36019a:g:GRQAAOSw5Uxiy0mW

If you end up getting the MikeS Y/C adapter from anywhere, make sure to bookmark this configuration table for future reference.
https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/crttable/#crt-configuration-table

A word of advice: If you buy an active filter adapter and it has a USB port for external power, DO NOT PLUG IN THE USB AND VGA POWER JUMPER AT THE SAME TIME!!! A passive filter will not have external power ports and doesn't need one.

>USB HUB
You still need a way to connect your USB devices, a keyboard, and a mouse. Virtually any Micro USB HUB from Amazon will work. If you wanna get a little fancy sandwich, there is also an official MiSTer 7-port USB HUB.

This is pretty much all you need to get started. Following up with additional info.

Anonymous Wed Apr 5 20:21:55 2023 No.9797682

>>9797576
>>9797675
Follow Up

I just re-read your post and you clearly stated CRT monitor, so you can safely disregard the y/c adapter info.

Additional Info

>SDRAM
Without an SDRAM, you will be limited to right around 3rd gen consoles and older, 4th gen and up has very limited to no support for setups without an SDRAM. You can buy an SDRAM later if you want. Here's from the same seller of the y/c adapters I linked
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325449567321?hash=item4bc64e4c59:g:NfAAAOSwQVNjjDK1

If you wanna look at more options - MiSTer Addon Resources:
Build your own:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer

7407chrisl on eBay - Cheap, reliable and fast shipping. My go to.
https://www.ebay.com/str/7407chrisl/Retro-Gaming/_i.html?store_cat=21344054015

MiSTer Addons - Expensive, but he's the defacto supplier of the North American community
https://misteraddons.com/

Ultimate Mister FPGA - European suplier and can sometimes be cheaper than MiSTer Addons even for NA customers.
https://ultimatemister.com/

RetroCastle - Asian supplier. From what I've read, his kits are not standard and can sometimes make it hard to mix and match his parts with other kits so either go all in on his stuff or research.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1101769318

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 20:58:13 2023 No.9797757 >>9797675 Wow, thanks dude!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 21:55:23 2023 No.9797885 >>9797675 doesnt it need to be an otg usb hub?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 22:10:31 2023 No.9797910 >>9797757 No problem! >>9797885 micro USB HUB still means OTG so you should still get the same results.

Anonymous Wed Apr 5 22:19:42 2023 No.9797926

>>9785973
The thing is the hardware supports it. But yeah trying to replicate closed source computation developed by a massive team of engineers is going to take time. But it’s going to happen eventually.

>>9786008
There’s a reason people don’t drive plymouths from the 50s anymore.

Anonymous Wed Apr 5 22:23:16 2023 No.9797929

>>9797576
At the minimum I would also recommend a RAM module, the majority of the cores require at least some additional RAM. While you can likely get by with something like 16 megs or even 64, there is no reason with current prices not to just go the full 128MB.

IIRC it has something to do with the speed of the RAM and using it with the FPGA vs the built-in RAM not being fast enough or not wired well to the FPGA or something like that.

If you want to know though, their github has a list of the console, arcade, and PC cores as well as which ones require the RAM module, but it only lists official cores, not 3rd party ones such as Jotego's CPS cores:

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/console/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 22:30:50 2023 No.9797946 >>9787342 mine cost over 500 when all was said and done. putting it together and testing it to make sure it worked right was the funnest part.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 23:38:34 2023 No.9798059 >>9797602 Jesus! That's how much I pay in rent. With $600 I'm better off buying parts for my gaming PC than buying a system that only emulates up to 16 bit video games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 00:02:24 2023 No.9798114 Is Terasic the only place atm selling the de10-nano? Don't really want to pay 50 bucks for shipping, because it doesn't let me select the economy option.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 00:31:32 2023 No.9798159 >>9798114 Check Mauser. Although, other places will most likely be upselling per piece compared to what you'll be paying directly from Terasic and that $50 shipping.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 00:34:15 2023 No.9798168 >>9798059 obvious bait, but did you see the post where the anon breaks down the parts you need? Most you'll be spending for a kit you put together yourself is like $400 maybe $450 tops if you wanna argue taxes and shipping.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 01:58:11 2023 No.9798328 >>9798159 they insist upon 2nd day but you can request they use USPS and itll cost $16-24 instead

Anonymous Thu Apr 6 06:36:47 2023 No.9798750
File: 66 KB, 910x824, tumblr_28958ff7f36b929332126905570e0e58_3bd1fcc2_640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

anyone know how to connect multiple SNAC adapters? i dont want to wear out the port plugging and unplugging them every time i want to play a different core

Anonymous Thu Apr 6 06:48:10 2023 No.9798765

>>9798750
I don't think you can connect multiple at once due to how the SNAC port works. I guess you could always get a very short USB extension cable and plug them into that just so you only risk wearing out the extension cable instead of the port itself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 08:33:04 2023 No.9798878 What's the most hassle-free way to play lightgun games on my CRT? Running analogue thought the VGA output to SCART to BNC. Really want to play Point Blank on PSX, though if possible using the guncon on NES Lightgun games would be neat too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 09:06:45 2023 No.9798940 >>9798878 >hassle-free way to play lightgun games on my CRT? There really isn't one if you want to use multiple systems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 13:33:59 2023 No.9799217 >>9798878 guncon 2 works with multiple cores https://github.com/NolanNicholson/GunCon2-MiSTer Im not sure how up to date this wikipage is. It says that some cores have issues.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 17:16:33 2023 No.9799658 >>9798878 >plug console into crt >plug light gun into console >play game simple as

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 18:29:34 2023 No.9799795 >>9795298 Yeah MiSTerAddons has been known to donate kits to devs in need.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 18:33:56 2023 No.9799816 >>9799795 oh yeah, he's a super outreaching dude. Fucking gave Metal Jesus one and I felt bad when Metal Jesus played the whole video WAYYY down, specially in regards with who donated the unit to him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:12:36 2023 No.9799931 I wish Analogue would open up their devices. All these FPGA core advancements sure would be nice to see on these expensive paperweights that haven't seen updates since Feb 2021.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:13:51 2023 No.9799937 >>9799816 MJR is an egotistical asshole.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:29:44 2023 No.9799981 >>9799931 I am guessing they are worried about lawsuits if they made it easy to "pirate" 30 year old Nintendo games on their devices.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:35:03 2023 No.9799995 >>9799981 It's been an open secret who made the jailbreaks for years now. And nothing has happened. Go look at all the junk devices being sold on Amazon, that come loaded with copyrighted materials, and tell me what is there to fear?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:35:15 2023 No.9799996 >>9786089 >Essentially 100% accuracy oh boy, here we go...

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:38:10 2023 No.9800006 >>9799931 I thought that was the point of openFPGA but it seems to be specific to their portable. https://www.analogue.co/developer

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:38:17 2023 No.9800007 >>9799996 The shitposter replied, to a 5 day old post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 19:40:48 2023 No.9800013 >>9800007 Right, I'm the shitposter in this scenario.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 21:17:54 2023 No.9800261 >>9799995 The one making the jailbreaks isn't selling anything, and pretty much all of those devices loaded with ROMS are chinkware, good fucking luck going after those.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 03:35:10 2023 No.9801058 >>9799816 Yeah, Metal Jesus revealed himself for who he truly is with that "review". No effort whatsoever. At least he had enough honor to leave the comments on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 03:52:10 2023 No.9801096 >>9783524 >it's dead silent here i simply no longer participate in the fpga threads its not worth the annoyance i enjoy my build and pocket in peace much happier

Anonymous Fri Apr 7 04:44:45 2023 No.9801196

>>9799816
I re-watched the video and it's clear that him, among other earlier reviewers didn't really understand it. A lot of his wording in regards to the facts matches how a lot of people were still wrapping their heads around how to describe it. It's a great time capsule so don't consider this post a knock against that particular review.

Anonymous Fri Apr 7 09:14:48 2023 No.9801557

>>9801196
he doesnt understand a fucking thing about a fucking thing. his video on ps2/freemcboot/opl was enraging. the idiot actually thought it overclocked the ps2 and warned people it could damage the console. and I'm sure everyone remembers the time his fat weabo chick friend dropped his gamecube and broke the mod and he made a video trashing the mod for breaking. hes easily the biggest retard in the retro youtuber space. actually no, on second thought that top spot goes to madlittlepixel

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 09:16:10 2023 No.9801561 >>9801557 I already didn't watch him but I caught a glimpse of him e-begging a couple of years ago and it was quite cringe. >dude my basement wall is wet, please gift me 50,000 dollars, im poor I swear!

Anonymous Fri Apr 7 10:36:21 2023 No.9801649
File: 522 KB, 1920x1080, NBBM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9784089
There, Ninja Baseball Batman is now running on the Irem M92 core, the core is still basically in the Alpha stage yet it seems to run that game better than the latest MAME does

https://youtu.be/DAz08nzwWt8?t=48

>>9799816
>>9801058
>>9801196
>>9801557

Just saw the video again. I have to admit it's not TOO bad, but yes he didn't seem to really understand what it was for. He almost exclusively focused on the 486 core, and didn't seem to realize that it's a 486 core with no FPU and no 3D acceleration, expecting it to run games that were from the Pentium era.

Also the fact that he was confused why it defaulted the Commodore 64 to PAL.

But he seemed pretty impressed by it overall. Also this was before the PS1 and Saturn, that he even mentioned in the video. (Although he also mentioned the Dreamcast, like that can ever happen)

Even someone like Modern Vintage Gamer of all people did a better review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPa5EW5mp8

LGR and LTT of all places had a pretty good impression of it too (although LGR was also unimpressed by the 486 core, and LTT had some trouble assembling it at first), but they focused specifically on the Multisystem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx45r-BRHxY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyDqGdY7ffQ

LGR seemed to love it so much that the Multisystem was his second one, and then he got a third with a Jamma board to use in an arcade cabinet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 16:13:14 2023 No.9802251 There is a closing down sale happening on this website for MiSTer daughter boards. https://ozmistermods.com/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 17:19:14 2023 No.9802380 >>9802251 >$95 for a RAM module >$90 for an analog board Gee, I wonder why they are closing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 17:24:38 2023 No.9802392 >>9801649 >LGR seemed to love it so much that the Multisystem was his second one, and then he got a third with a Jamma board to use in an arcade cabinet. LGR is the most based YouTube reviewer of things that there is. Clint is a consumate professional.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 17:26:08 2023 No.9802396 >>9802380 >https://ozmistermods.com/ Because people in Australia prefer to order from Aliexpress

Anonymous Fri Apr 7 18:28:59 2023 No.9802540

>>9802396
The same RAM module, even using the same RAM chips, is $65 on MisterAddons, and even that is considered overpriced.

If the only official Australian store wants to charge prices that are about 50% more then I don't blame them for using Aliexpress.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 20:14:42 2023 No.9803006 >>9802540 its worth going with misteraddons even though you can save some cash going with chinese shit. one less thing to troubleshoot. I can run the memory tester all day long at 150mhz with the stick I got from there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 20:24:54 2023 No.9803039 >>9803006 misteraddons is working on a secret new product which seems to be a more console-like case design.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 21:32:47 2023 No.9803226 >>9803039 You're talking about the MiSTer Express. It's gonna cost like $150 minimum, watch! He's building a brand, and the MiSTerCade with the alimunum case were just the start.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 22:24:20 2023 No.9803340 >>9803226 whatever it costs, it'll be infinitely better and more aesthetic than the stupid UK Multisystem trash. I've got a 2018 IO board and ill totally upgrade to the Express when it comes out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 00:05:45 2023 No.9803550 >>9803340 i have that. im happy with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 00:29:51 2023 No.9803582 >>9803340 While price is a concerning for me, I'm still gonna make an effort to get a MiSTer Express. It's kinda cringe being the only one to take a naked sammich to my locals. Everyone else is at least using the acrylic ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 01:07:38 2023 No.9803632 I finally ordered all of the parts for a mister build. Wish me luck bros.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 02:14:49 2023 No.9803798 >>9803632 Congrats dude, post pics when you can. Look up HTGDB Gamepacks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 06:45:46 2023 No.9804221 >>9803632 You'll be fine anon. I know people meme about PC being legos but building a Mister is literally just like legos. All the pieces sit on top of each other nicely.

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 06:48:48 2023 No.9804227

Can anyone confirm if the output is better from the HDMI port with a VGA adapter for a CRT? Saw it mentioned on the forums with a few users saying the straight VGA port is a tad off. My games too are a tad off color-wise and I'm legit not sure if its my BVM or the Mister itself. Thinking too if I got that up and running then I could switch out the Analog for a Digital board and take advantage of that extra SDRAM if anything ends up needing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 06:53:11 2023 No.9804228 >>9803226 >MiSTer Express What's this? Googling it just brought up one of his videos but he didn't explain what exactly it was.

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 06:57:17 2023 No.9804235
File: 159 KB, 2000x1123, FAu-nLXUcAAhf7K.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9804228
Maybe Porkchop seems to have scrubbed mention of it? I've asked him about it several times and has clearly indicated it is on the way. I'm not surprised if it's hard to google if you didn't catch the announcements as they came out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 06:58:13 2023 No.9804238 >>9804235 It's just a different form factor? Or does it have more features?

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 07:17:14 2023 No.9804258

>>9804238
I was looking through chat logs with him and each time there is always some tiny design change or just something he wants to keep under wraps for now.

at one point:
>the new case uses the standard setup for De10-nano, SDRAM, and IO board
>Only the USB hub is replaced
>So dual SDRAM + digital IO was part of the plan

then someone asked him about the new y/c implementation but he said
>I can't really discuss at the moment because it would reveal something about the Express that hasn't yet been discussed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 07:20:47 2023 No.9804262 >>9804258 Sounds interesting at least. Thanks for sharing!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 07:33:34 2023 No.9804275 >imagine paying for this overpriced crap when emulation is basically free

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 07:46:45 2023 No.9804286 >>9804275 >imagine entering a thread discussing something you don't like in a vain attempt to convince people to stop having fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 08:07:20 2023 No.9804307 >>9803340 I am considering the Multisystem, what is the issue with it? Or does the MisterAddons just do it better in some way?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 08:20:38 2023 No.9804324 >>9804307 no one likes the 3d printed case for it or the price for the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 08:46:15 2023 No.9804340 >>9787847 how much anti psychotic medication have you refused to take

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 08:48:58 2023 No.9804345 >>9792206 cool non sequitur

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 09:03:26 2023 No.9804358 >>9802392 yeah i don't get the hate. he's very enthusiastic about old shit and he isn't some metal jesus type

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 09:05:01 2023 No.9804359 >>9804275 yawn

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 09:07:32 2023 No.9804365

>>9803798
Thanks
>>9804221
I'm not worried about building it. I'm not a retard. Just dreading setup :) while easy, shit like this tends to take along time. Any time I mess with a raspberry pi I always end up spending half a day on it.
>>9804358
Is LGR the guy in Texas who's house flooded a while back?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 09:12:26 2023 No.9804374 >>9804365 i don't think he's in texas, maybe you're thinking of 8-bit guy

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 10:16:33 2023 No.9804439

>>9804374
I'm definitely thinking of 8bit guy. I checked and it's him. He made a video a few years ago about how his house flooded and was talking about trying to save all of his computers and stuff. I just remember that he mentioned quite firmly that he doesn't want people to send him money and that he can afford the repairs to his home on his own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 11:47:42 2023 No.9804530 >>9804324 Isn't the price about what it would cost to get all the additions for the sandwich anyway?

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 12:38:50 2023 No.9804593

>>9783524
>>9783530
Using Vulkan with 2 max swapchain images, as much frame delay as your rig can afford, and runahead on top of that, pretty much any retroarch user ought to pretty much be matching real hardware on a CRT as well as the meme FPGA shit at that point, with the potential to go lower.

RetroArch >>>> MISTER

Ruka !!uLNeS56BaS7 Sat Apr 8 12:47:44 2023 No.9804603

>>9804593
Run ahead is a meme. I tried playing Mega Man 2 with runahead turned on and when enemies dropped items it would suddenly change to a different item when I picked it up because the item drops are random so the different instances each get different drops.

It's garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 14:04:20 2023 No.9804725 >>9804307 I don't like the design of the case, I don't like how the company behind it is trying to essentially supercede the mister project, I don't like how they're british, closed source, how the design is not particularly good.

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 17:03:59 2023 No.9805182

>>9804725
>I don't like the design of the case

Can't you make your own? There is also a minimal acrylic case similar in design to the sandwich.

>I don't like how the company behind it is trying to essentially supercede the mister project

Supersede how exactly? It's one of many different boards one can build a MiSTer setup with.

>I don't like how they're british, closed source, how the design is not particularly good.

There are others that are closed source too like that Jammix board, pretty sure the MisterCade is as well.

And what exactly is bad about the design? You aren't giving much details, you seem to just want to hate it for the sake of hating it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 18:10:35 2023 No.9805310 >>9804340 Sounds like a question you should be asking yourself, Shill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 18:33:36 2023 No.9805374 File: 892 KB, 1280x720, 1574991988821.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9804439 Speaking of the 8-Bit Guy, where's the Commander X16 core for Mister?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 20:06:28 2023 No.9805636 >>9805374 Why is it called the X16 if it has an 8-bit CPU and 512K of RAM? The Nintendo64 had a 64bit CPU and the Commodore64 has 64MB of RAM. Shouldn't it be called the Commander X8 or the Commander X512?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 20:08:03 2023 No.9805638 >>9805374 Why is it called the X16 if it has an 8-bit CPU and 512K of RAM? The Nintendo64 had a 64bit CPU and the Commodore64 had 64KB of RAM. Shouldn't it be called the Commander X8 or the Commander X512?

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 20:24:12 2023 No.9805673
File: 86 KB, 1920x1080, Building my dream computer - Part 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9805638
He initially wanted to make a computer based on 6502 CPU but then switched to 16-bit 65C816 CPU. That decision was later reverted but the X16 moniker had already stuck since then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 20:40:32 2023 No.9805708 >>9804530 yeah, it was even cheaper than the one ultimatemister sells for 600, so i dont get the hate either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 8 20:41:34 2023 No.9805710 >>9804603 run ahead is a worse meme than dlss

Anonymous Sat Apr 8 21:50:58 2023 No.9805870

>>9804725
>I don't like how the company behind it is trying to essentially supercede the mister project
If there's money to be made, people are going to try to make it. Misteraddons seems to be doing the same thing, but I bought and built with their aluminum case and I think it looks really nice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 02:36:20 2023 No.9806412 File: 25 KB, 550x412, 1926667873.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does it make much difference what vga to bnc cable you use?

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 03:02:45 2023 No.9806447

>>9806412
Yeah, Mister uses TTL sync over VGA I believe. Meaning the voltage it sends out is higher than certain video equipment can accept. So you need a cable with a 470 ohm resistor. It might not be completely necessary, but if you're hooking up to a PVM or something its better safe than sorry.

Also make sure you get either a 4x or 5x BNC cable depending on your setup

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 03:19:50 2023 No.9806479

>>9804307
The case is fiddly to work with and quite expensive for the quality you get. That's about it.
The board itself seems of good quality and it's nice having no wires coming out of the side, although the bizarre SCART connector placement is annoying. It's a good all in one solution.
It rubs people up the wrong way because the board is closed source (even though that makes no difference to anything) and a few YouTubers conflated the MiSTer and the Multisystem, but even RMC have repeatedly said it's just one of many add-on boards and they aren't trying to replace anything. Ironically Heber have even contributed to the MiSTer with the firmware and ROMs for one of the cores, which is based on their ancient BBC Bridge Companion console. Ok, so no one probably wants to play it, but it's still nice to have for posterity.
Some people just have a hate boner for all things MiSTer.

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 03:27:28 2023 No.9806487

>>9805182
>Can't you make your own?
why would I?
>Supersede how exactly?
Their marketing strategy basically tried to act like they created this great new concept of an FPGA console.
>>9805182
>There are others that are closed source too like that Jammix board, pretty sure the MisterCade is as well.
Yeah and I don't like them being closed source either. Taking an open source design and making it closed annoys me.
>And what exactly is bad about the design? You aren't giving much details,
It's ugly, I've heard people have had difficulties putting it together with the case.
> you seem to just want to hate it for the sake of hating it.
Even if that were the case, that would be my prerogative.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 05:15:57 2023 No.9806687 >>9806447 thanks, good to know. Are these monoprice ones alright? https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-HD-15-Video-Cable-Monitor/dp/B001UJMGZC?th=1

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 08:17:53 2023 No.9806869 >>9805374 Commander X-16 doesn't even technically exist in reality yet. Although once it does, shouldn't be difficult since all of the chips it uses already exist on other mister cores

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 10:26:00 2023 No.9806986

>>9806479
>The case is fiddly to work with and quite expensive for the quality you get. That's about it.

So it's just the stock case that's the issue?

>>9806479
>The board itself seems of good quality and it's nice having no wires coming out of the side, although the bizarre SCART connector placement is annoying. It's a good all in one solution.

I agree, having it sticking out the top like that is a weird design. I would have far preferred it in the back with the rest of the outputs. Yes you can wire a cable from the back, but then you have a non-removable (unless you take it apart) cable sticking out the back instead of just a socket.

>It rubs people up the wrong way because the board is closed source (even though that makes no difference to anything) and a few YouTubers conflated the MiSTer and the Multisystem, but even RMC have repeatedly said it's just one of many add-on boards and they aren't trying to replace anything.

Yeah I get not being happy that it's closed source, but it's not the only board that is. Nobody seems to complain about the Jammix being closed source too for example.

>>9806487
>why would I?

Because you don't like the stock case?

>>9806487
>Their marketing strategy basically tried to act like they created this great new concept of an FPGA console.

Err, no. They never claimed they created the MiSTer and have mentioned there are alternatives obviously to using their board.

>Yeah and I don't like them being closed source either. Taking an open source design and making it closed annoys me.

But they didn't. They created a closed-source addon. The original open source designs all still exist.

>It's ugly, I've heard people have had difficulties putting it together with the case.

Yeah, I don't like the way it looks that much, especially the 3D printed look seems to be inconsistent, and I have heard it being fiddly to assemble. But it's mostly the features and how well it works that I care about.

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 10:30:59 2023 No.9806997

>>9806687
Did some more digging, and my monitor can accept up to 4v on ext sync. The io board outputs 3.3v through 100 ohm resistor + 75 ohm termination, so only 1.4v should be going through the sync, so it should be fine? I can't find a cable that advertises a 470 ohm resistor anyway except the retro access one, and that's pretty pricey.

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 10:33:25 2023 No.9807003
File: 249 KB, 1698x1282, 810bd4737b4f7ae4c0223eeb0550e0bc62fd627b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9806986
it was a real pain in the ass to put together, and i even snapped off a piece of the case near the end of completion (fixed seamlessly with super glue luckily). havent had any issues with it since then and it's been great.

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 11:11:35 2023 No.9807042

>So it's just the stock case that's the issue?
Basically what the above anon said. There's a few annoying parts where you need to drop nuts down holes where it bolts together and that is fiddly. I also had a few issues where there was leftover support material that needed to be sanded down before parts would fit. The reset button had the opposite problem and was slightly too short, so I had to add a shim (it was still usable without the shim, just not very responsive). But really, that's just standard 3D print stuff. The sheer amount of material is probably what drove the cost up because it's a heavy case, so at least it will last.
But once assembled it's a great system. Having a SCART connector made it super easy to drop into my setup and having space for an internal hard drive means I can have the full libraries of every system it can play all in one small console. I actually like the way it looks, too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 11:14:36 2023 No.9807046 >>9807042 Meant to reply to >>9806986

Anonymous Sun Apr 9 17:38:18 2023 No.9807619

>>9805673
I do a lot of 8 bit dit stuff and can't believe I've never heard of this.
>4 years to build a "retro" computer
>turns out to be just another fpga
>b-b-but it uses a real cpu for autism
>fpga has roughly enough free ltus for 2 6502s
lmao. lmfao even.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 19:45:28 2023 No.9807948 >>9806986 >Because you don't like the stock case? What is this logic? If I don't like something why would I redesign it to benefit them and their closed source board design?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 21:03:13 2023 No.9808137 >>9807948 Why does it bother you so much that the board isn't open source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 22:05:13 2023 No.9808247 >>9808137 >keeping code to yourself for an open source project

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 22:13:59 2023 No.9808270 >>9808247 The code for... the add-in board? What? Are you actually retarded?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:43:50 2023 No.9808593 Should I pay extra for the noctua fan or is that a meme. I can't imagine it would get too loud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 00:51:45 2023 No.9808625 >>9808593 That is strictly up to your noise tolerance. Noctua fans are really nice and quiet though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:42:08 2023 No.9808754 >>9808593 I just unplugged my fan. You don't need one.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 01:54:14 2023 No.9808793
File: 24 KB, 739x415, D327C4B6-9323-40B6-A36F-F3103E50AC91.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

I'm thinking about buying this for Mario Kart 8, but would this work with the mister also? It's from Hori and they said it supports Switch and PC.

Also, are there even any games or cores for Mister that would make something like this fun to use?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:09:09 2023 No.9808839 >>9808793 every racing game on ps1 and arcades

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 02:38:30 2023 No.9808894 >>9808839 Have any of the arcade ones been ported yet? And how can I find out if this specific controller works besides buying it and testing it? Returns aren't easily accepted in my country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:03:54 2023 No.9808943 >>9804275 Agreed. Also these guys are shilling. Emulation > MiSTer

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:12:05 2023 No.9808958 >>9808943 stop shilling emulators you shill

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:30:29 2023 No.9808984 >>9808958 What's there to shill? Emulators are FREE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 03:37:18 2023 No.9808994 >>9808984 So are mister cores. You still need something to run those emulators on, and you probably paid more for that device than it costs to get started on a Mister (or in some cases a similar price)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:33:41 2023 No.9809094 >>9808894 >Have any of the arcade ones been ported yet? arcade what? Mario Kart games? Yes. Dolphin used to run the firs two. Teknoparrot runs MKGP DX. Also, you don't want a wheel for console MK games.Someone using a stick will thrash you.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:46:33 2023 No.9809112

>>9809094
>arcade what? Mario Kart games?
Arcade games that use a wheel. You know, like Virtua Racer, Outrun, or Pole Position. Are you retarded or are you just lost? None of the Mario Kart arcade games can run on the Mister.
>you don't want a wheel
Yes I do.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:47:18 2023 No.9809114

>>9806986
>Err, no. They never claimed they created the MiSTer and have mentioned there are alternatives obviously to using their board.
Something about the RMC vids showcasing the multisystem just rub me the wrong way. I get that Neal is trying to sell his product, but for someone who in every other video is about preservation and care and developing the retro community, the multisystem vids seem to be more about *their* community, not helping anyone else, to the point RMC were borderline taking credit by not properly explaining what the MiSTer was and that's it's completely open source with many alternative configurations and add-ons. I realise they had previous vids about the mister, but even so the behaviour gave me the shits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:56:00 2023 No.9809132 >>9809112 >uses definite articles on post #469 of thread going back and forth. >you don't even into compreheshun!! I also don't into tantrum, chuckles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 04:57:33 2023 No.9809136 >>9808137 Why wouldn't it bother me? If it didn't I could just buy Analogue couldn't I? They don't 3D print their shit at least or expect me to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:11:40 2023 No.9809318 >>9809114 You need to stop taking credit for the MiSTer, you didn't create it and it's wrong to say that you did.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 07:48:25 2023 No.9809364

>>9809114
agreed, in contrast, MiSTerAddons has always been about working with the developers and scene to make value addons and quality products for the mister community. He always gives credit where it's due and contributes in many ways (he compiled the list of lag/supported controllers for example)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:55:37 2023 No.9809434 What size SD card do you guys recommend? Any specific class or type or brand?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 08:57:55 2023 No.9809437 >>9783530 Pretty much, yeah. It's a niche of a niche of a niche. Or simply just hipster-tier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 14:47:38 2023 No.9809931 File: 3.72 MB, 3472x4624, saturn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A new Saturn update is up

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 16:22:54 2023 No.9810120 >>9809931 Ahh sweet a schizo engineer That wiring job lol

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 17:30:29 2023 No.9810241

>>9808994
MiSTer components aren't free though. As for my device, depends on which one you're talking about. My gaming PC cost only $1500 something to build, for it to run modern games like RE2 Remake or GTA5. I can easily buy a refurbished computer for $100 to exclusively run retro games if I wanted to. But if we're talking about a PS3(which I jailbreaked myself), only $94. A PS Vita, only $150. Cost way less to buy & hack those consoles/handhelds than to build a MiSTer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:17:27 2023 No.9810451 >>9810241 Aren't you happy that there is a solution for retro emulation that meets your needs? You can forgo having to bother with researching which seller has the best prices after S&H or worrying if anything you need is in stock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:21:40 2023 No.9810460 >>9809931 fucks sake, if you do this horror, use a launch unit. Those have the CD processor on a daughterboard, so you can create some hardware bypass cable for it without needing to solder 1001 individual cables.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:25:04 2023 No.9810468

>>9786064
>objectively false

We already have cycle accurate emulators for C64, NES, Genesis and SNES. I don't know about PSX, but cycle accuracy is less important there. For Saturn & later, it's straight up impossible to be cycle accurate since you also have to emulate SDRAM cycle misses, which are basically random.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:30:18 2023 No.9810480 >>9810460 Probably hard to get a hold of a launch Saturn in Luhansk People's Republic. Gotta live with what you have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:42:58 2023 No.9810505 >>9810468 We still don’t have a cycle accurate, 100% software compatible emulator for the Genesis

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:44:39 2023 No.9810507 >>9810480 >Probably hard to get a hold of a launch Saturn He is using a US Saturn which costs 3 times as much to get in Europe than a japanese launch Saturn. >>9810505 Exodus, last time I checked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:59:05 2023 No.9810532 File: 740 KB, 3193x2135, MiSter A01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9783524 My MiSTer ITX build.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 20:09:04 2023 No.9810556 >>9810532 that looks sick, wish my multisystem came with that

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 22:42:22 2023 No.9810881

>>9810241
>MiSTer components aren't free though
The add-on pieces? Anon, it's OPEN SOURCE. You can download the files from the GitHub and have the boards printed by JLCPCB for a couple of bucks and then get the components from Mouser and populate the boards yourself. You don't have to buy anything from misteraddons or any of the other sites, they just offer pre-populated boards as a convenience.
And if you were building a PC you would have to pay for the extra components for that like a GPU so that's not a good comparison for your argument - it's literally the same.
>My gaming PC cost only $1500
And you're crying about a Mister? All you need is a $200 FPGA board and a $65 ram module and then you can play all of the available cores.
>modern games
This is /vr/, we don't care about modern garbage.
>Cost way less to buy & hack those consoles/handhelds than to build a MiSTer.
Ok, so buy and hack those. Nobody is forcing you to buy a Mister. Why are you even in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 23:45:02 2023 No.9811054 >>9810881 >Muh Open Source meme MiSTER only works on De10 Nano Only recently there has been some movement to decentralize it so people can use other kinds of FPGAs with the MisteX project but that is still in development

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 23:53:28 2023 No.9811074 >>9811054 >MIST on TERasec devices is only available on terrasec devices. We need to decentralise

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 23:54:21 2023 No.9811080

>>9811054
MiSTer was developed on the DE-10 Nano. It is a fork for a different open source project called the MiST that used a different FPGA. Do you know what open source means? it doesn't automatically mean it works on everything. You have the source code, you can compile it for a different hardware if you REALLY want to.

>Only recently there has been some movement to decentralize it so people can use other kinds of FPGAs with the MisteX project but that is still in development
This only applies to Jotego's cores for now unless you got info and source on otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 00:00:45 2023 No.9811092 >>9810241 good for you bro

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 00:06:09 2023 No.9811103 >>9811054 >MiSTER only works on De10 Nano Ok? So port it to work on a different board. It's open source, you're free to contribute to the development of the project if you want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 00:38:14 2023 No.9811159 >>9809931 0/troll. Clearly your pet rat just got loose and made a nest in your Saturn.

Anonymous Tue Apr 11 01:14:52 2023 No.9811240
File: 112 KB, 1600x1155, young-woman-headache-holding-head-isolated-white-background-young-woman-headache-holding-head-isolated-137371363.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9811054
>Only recently there has been some movement to decentralize
>decentralize
At least they have a fucking a stock image that expresses how stupid your post sounds. WHAT ARE WE DECENTRALIZING EXACTLY? MiSTer cores have been ported to other FPGAs and a few even backported to the original MiST project. Are you dumb? because I'm very convinced you are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 01:26:29 2023 No.9811263 >>9791319 i'd buy that phone tho.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 01:57:58 2023 No.9811309 Is he right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quDe2kaI_cw

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 02:08:54 2023 No.9811331 >>9811309 >Is [pronoun] right? [link to video] you're the worst kind of person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 02:23:28 2023 No.9811361 >>9811331 thx

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 02:35:14 2023 No.9811381 >>9811361 No, I am pretty sure the MiSTer does not support THX

Anonymous Tue Apr 11 04:04:57 2023 No.9811569

Ended up building with MisterAddOn's Aluminum case, while it looks nice and the temps have been great, jesus fucking christ the SD slots.
>Secondary SD slot is just fine, nothing to complain about
>Primary SD hole for no apparent reason is taller
>Have to be careful re-inserting it because if I reinsert it at the middle like a standard slot it falls through into the case
>Either need to have long nails or something to poke it with to eject the micro SD
How do you get everything else so right but fuck up what's one of the more important aspects of the case?
Going to have to start FTPing into this thing instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 04:16:38 2023 No.9811605 >>9811569 Use WinSCP for FTP. I think max transfer rate is about 3 to 4MB/s though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 05:01:33 2023 No.9811694 >>9810532 Too big.

Anonymous Tue Apr 11 07:17:59 2023 No.9811940 [DELETED]

>>9811309
Not watching his video, but easiest set up is
>Build it (even as a total beginner this should be hard to fuck up)
>Flash micro SD with Mister OS files
>Download update all script
>place in scripts folder
>either connect via ethernet or use one of those wifi usb things (I use the later)
>run update all script
>wait for ages as everything downloads
>plug sd back into computer
>put your ROMs in their correct folder
>enjoy your vidya
Now for
>lag free
Use SNAC adapters, otherwise if you're playing on a CRT it should be fine regardless of what you use. I use my 8bitdo Pro 2 wireless via a bluetooth USB on my BVM and there's no lag that I'm perceiving and I'm usually iffy with lag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 12:12:09 2023 No.9812293 >>9810507 Exodus does not run all software for the Mega Drive

Anonymous Tue Apr 11 12:23:03 2023 No.9812315 [DELETED]

>>9811309
He's not and sounds autistic. MiSTer has lag, but it only has the same amount of lag the original system or game has. Mario World has 32ms of lag on a real SNES so it'll have that on MiSTer too. Traditional software emulation has extra lag on top of that though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 14:12:33 2023 No.9812543 Call Vladimir Putin, ask if he has Battletoads

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 15:49:10 2023 No.9812830 >>9812293 Forget Exodus, Blast Em is the best Megadrive emu at the moment. Nukeykt is working on a gate level emulator too which will be amazing when done. https://github.com/nukeykt/Nuked-MD

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 15:52:13 2023 No.9812842 >>9811103 >MiSTer isn’t open source whilst Sorg won’t release the buildroot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 16:05:22 2023 No.9812875 >>9812315 >has the same amount of lag the original system or game has lmao at ur hardware emulation garbage. i get less lag than on original hardware with the software memeulator on my phone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 16:13:21 2023 No.9812901 >>9812875 >he uses a phone to cheat lel

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 16:17:04 2023 No.9812907 How are the PS1 / Saturn cores? Is it 100% playable?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 16:39:55 2023 No.9812965 >>9812907 PS1 is very playable. Saturn is still in the works and hasn't gotten a public release yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 17:56:11 2023 No.9813223 >>9812965 Latest alpha nightly build has made a lot of progress. We should see something the Saturn Core officially released probably within the next 6 months if everything goes well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 18:03:31 2023 No.9813252 >>9812907 I have played plenty of PS1 games to completion in the last year with no complaints. It just works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 18:10:46 2023 No.9813274 >>9812830 There is no way this thing will run in real time. There is a good reason why accurate emulation requires FPGA.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 18:56:15 2023 No.9813412 >>9812875 >i get less lag than on original hardware >on my phone Nah

Anonymous Tue Apr 11 19:37:33 2023 No.9813529
File: 140 KB, 642x512, Titan2NoBorders.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9812830
Blast Em seems to be the only Megadrive emulator left that is still being updated and isn't a Retroarch core, and only one not stuck in standards from over a decade ago where they can't even load Super Street Fighter II. Shame that the UI sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 21:51:16 2023 No.9813930 >>9813529 Retroroach has killed emulation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 21:55:07 2023 No.9813937 >>9813930 honestly can't abide retroarch interface is dogshit and half the cores seem inaccurate or lacking features

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 22:01:44 2023 No.9813954 >>9813937 They basically steal other peoples emulators and take credit for them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 22:24:55 2023 No.9814007 >>9813937 Same, I hate it, It's a bloated mess with a horrible UI and a mess to configure. At least many of the good cores also ended up in BizHawk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 22:54:28 2023 No.9814086 >>9813223 I absolutely haven't lost optimism for any of Sorg's cores. Not sure if we should thank the fact that his Country is at war forcing everyone to be in lockdown.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 22:57:10 2023 No.9814095 >>9814086 Sorg and srg are different people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 23:00:48 2023 No.9814105 >>9814095 REALLY? It's been three years and never knew this. Welp, now I know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 23:47:05 2023 No.9814259 >>9783524 Most people here know it's a scam and none of their claims are true. -They aren't more accurate than software emulators -They aren't more responsive in terms of input lag. -It is in fact emulation, just a slightly different kind

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 02:20:30 2023 No.9814536 File: 3.57 MB, 4032x3024, 92105058-911A-4116-A114-8187458A45D1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm very excited.

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 02:25:44 2023 No.9814553

>>9814259
>They aren't more accurate than software emulators
It depends on the core, as it is of course possible to program a core that is not accurate. However, in general, they are more accurate. For example play Strider in the Mister and compare it to software emulation. See the starry background in the intro? That appears on real hardware but not in software emulation until very recently. It was actually due to the Mister that we were even about to figure out how to implement that in software.
>They aren't more responsive in terms of input lag.
It depends on the controller you use. If you use a USB or Bluetooth controller then of course there will be more latency, but if you get an IO adapter and use an original controller it's the same as real hardware.
>It is in fact emulation, just a slightly different kind
The only people who said it's not emulation are stupid YouTubers who don't have a single clue what they're talking about. Metal Jesus and madlittlepixel types. It's hardware emulation, which is very different from software emulation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:31:14 2023 No.9814692 >>9814536 congrats! just in time to be ready for the Battletoads Arcade core!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:38:12 2023 No.9814710 >>9814692 I had no idea there was even an arcade version of that game. I bought it mainly for arcade games so it will be a welcome addition. I'm still waiting in the add on boards to shit. Ultimatemister is a reputable seller, right?

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:41:02 2023 No.9814717

>>9814710
Not him, but yeah they should be good. There's a few bigger stores and they're generally the best to buy from. Firstly because they have a reputation to uphold and secondly chinese sellers of parts on a few occasions have sent people low quality parts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:44:32 2023 No.9814721 >>9813223 How close is Saturn to pushing the limits of what the de-10 nano can do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:48:23 2023 No.9814728 File: 356 KB, 1600x1200, IMG_0778.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9814536 be sure to check the pins, mine came like this. it bent right back into place and hasnt given me any problems though

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:50:21 2023 No.9814731

How is Retrocastle's stuff on aliexpress? I finally got a DE10 and I'm looking to buy an assembly kit, their 2023 IO board looks neat with the native composite output through a Saturn port but it's not clear what's included or not with it (case, fan, sink, USB bridge?) and if soldering is needed or not.
I can probably figure it out eventually but if I have to buy everything separately + import fees it looks like I'd be better off buying a full kit from a Western supplier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:50:30 2023 No.9814732 >>9814721 I doubt it'll be bigger than the Playstation core, but then again the Playstation core has save states implemented and Saturn wont.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 03:51:40 2023 No.9814735 >>9814731 They seem to be a pretty solid MiSTer hardware supplier. Never heard a bad thing about them.

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 05:57:20 2023 No.9814945
File: 3.99 MB, 320x240, TH Strikes Back.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9814710
There is a Youtube channel called Video Game Esoterica that posts videos pretty much daily on MiSTer progress and examples of mostly arcade games that are not as commonly known running on it (although a few are of software emulators of games that MiSter cannot run). If you mostly wanted to get the MiSTer for arcade games it's a good channel both for finding out what new cores are coming out and how well they are running, and for discovering arcade games that aren't as widely known.

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 07:57:22 2023 No.9815092

>>9814105
Sorgelig (Alexey Melnikov) is a Russian living in Taiwan who is the project lead of MiSTer.
srg320 (Sergey Dvodnenko) is a Ukrainian living under Russian occupation who made SNES, Sega CD, 32X and Saturn cores as well as added CD functionality to the TurboGrafx core.

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 10:31:27 2023 No.9815241

>>9814717
Thanks. I already ordered over the weekend, just waiting for the parts to ship. I went with ultimatemister because at the current exchange rate that was the cheapest option for me that wasn't Chinese.
>>9814728
I didn't notice anything but I'll check it again. Thanks for the warning.
>>9814945
Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 11:45:52 2023 No.9815312 Everyone should be tipping Sorgelig. Dude's a champion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 17:41:40 2023 No.9816021 >>9815312 Actually, I send my spare change from each check towards MiSTer and I hope that's enough.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 17:58:43 2023 No.9816064 >>9811240 Cope nigger MiSTER is reliant on one piece of hardware which is the DE-10 Nano which won't always be in production forever

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:02:06 2023 No.9816072 >>9811309 >Video not available Who was it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:02:23 2023 No.9816074 >>9816064 >MIST on TERassec devices is only available on Terassec devices.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:03:28 2023 No.9816080 >>9812315 >Traditional software emulation has extra lag on top of that though. LMAO you stupid nigger Software emulation has less lag since you can use a 360hz monitor and use G-Sync/QFT to get 360hz scanout compared to Mister's 60hz

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:05:08 2023 No.9816084 >>9816064 How are they coping? the cores are available on other FPGA devices. Your retardium levels are showing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:05:50 2023 No.9816090 >>9811331 >[pronoun] ywnbaw

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:10:34 2023 No.9816102 >>9816074 Cope >>9816084 Most of the cores are MiSTer only Stop coping This is why FPGA will never compete with traditional emulation

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:11:11 2023 No.9816104 [DELETED]

>>9816080
Player Input -> Hardware -> Game

Player Input -> Emulation Software -> OS Layer -> Game

Player Input -> FPGA -> Game

See the logic?

>compared to Mister's 60hz
FPGA uses the native refresh rate over analog. There is a low lag more for digital displays that renders the game at native refresh rate and we also got VRR.

Anonymous Wed Apr 12 18:14:20 2023 No.9816107 [DELETED]

>>9816104
Beam Racing and Frame Delay makes all of that irrelevant and last I checked Mister can't do 360hz scanout
Plus FPGAs will never be able to do transistor-level emulation like PCs will in the future and not to mention most cores are still more accurately emulated on PC compare to their FPGA equivalent

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 20:20:06 2023 No.9816380 >>9816102 >This is why FPGA will never compete with traditional emulation How well is ZSNES's x86 core running on your Raspberry Pi? Enjoying that non-existent MacOS port of Yuzu? Or BizHawk? >"Y-y-y-you can port it!" Ok faggot, then do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 21:18:37 2023 No.9816536 >>9805673 You program it by shorting out pins on the edge connector with a paperclip.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 12 21:39:41 2023 No.9816572 Is there something else I have to do for Arcade games? I ran that update all which downloaded a shit ton of Arcade cores, put bublboblr.zip in the Bubble Bobble folder and it's not working.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 00:22:03 2023 No.9816986 >>9816572 You don't need to drop zips, you need to rtfm. Check the settings in update_all.sh next time you run it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 03:07:05 2023 No.9817351 >>9816572 The script creates the directories for you, you can just copy bublboblr.zip to the arcade or mame directory folder to the root, dont create subfolders theres no point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 06:45:55 2023 No.9817606 >>9816102 It's not a competition. They happily coexist. Software emulation is great, and no one is forcing you to use fpga.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 10:19:02 2023 No.9817775 File: 1.09 MB, 1640x2150, F13394F2-A58C-4BD1-9553-1F8352594A96.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 10:20:05 2023 No.9817778 File: 1.38 MB, 1640x1580, DAA261EF-9DF3-410B-B3CA-38673B3D236A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9817775

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 10:21:07 2023 No.9817780 File: 589 KB, 1640x1090, E48F9ABD-7B73-492F-8C59-8DD36F27B1ED.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9817778

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 10:39:41 2023 No.9817802 >>9817775 Oh no, I thought the lamers were bad when PSX was announced I can't imagine the obnoxious flood and their entitled complaining that their bingbingwahoos don't work properly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 10:46:11 2023 No.9817807 >>9817802 "lamers"!, I honestly love someone using that word in 2023. Kind of refreshing. Hide it from the zoomers, kthxbai

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 10:55:52 2023 No.9817813 >>9817807 It's true though, they don't contribute fixes, constructive bug reports or testing, or tip any patreon. They just bitch on the forum that some game slows down without knowing that's exactly how it is on the original system.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 10:57:57 2023 No.9817814 >>9817775 I expected someone weird to try port the decompiled Mario 64 and run it like ScumVM but this is interesting. There aren't really any games I like on the N64 but it will be cool to see can this be made to work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 11:15:02 2023 No.9817836 I know this sounds stupid but I really wish someone would make cores for the Pokemon Mini, Pocket Pikachu, Tamagotchi, and Digimon. They would be simpler cores to implement too, because obviously they're not as complex as something like a SNES.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 11:17:57 2023 No.9817840 >>9817836 https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PokemonMini_MiSTer

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 11:19:36 2023 No.9817843

Really interesting that he's attempting this at all, but I can't help but think that releasing a partially working core for such a high profile system is going to do more harm than good. Hopefully if it's not complete it doesn't end up in MiSTER main because, like anon said, there's going to be tons of idiots moaning/celebrating it doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 11:21:03 2023 No.9817847 >>9817843 On the bright side even if it comes to nothing on the DE10 nano he is laying groundwork for having a N64 core ready on FPGAs in the future.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:59:47 2023 No.9817960 >>9817843 It won’t be partially working, just not as accurate as it could be. None of his other cores are cycle accurate so it won’t be anything new when this one isn’t either

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:03:00 2023 No.9817968 >>9783524 Cringe thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:03:37 2023 No.9817970 >>9817960 I'd be surprised if games like Rogue Squadron or Indiana Jones and the Difficulty of Emulation would work if the timings are too far off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:19:42 2023 No.9818001 >>9817970 Those games already work in software emulators that aren’t cycle accurate, they won’t be an issue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:31:43 2023 No.9818021 >>9817960 Is there a list of which cores ARE cycle accurate and which ones aren't?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:36:37 2023 No.9818032 File: 507 KB, 1280x720, killme.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not 3DO

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:49:16 2023 No.9818076 >>9818032 Just make it yourself bro

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 14:33:55 2023 No.9818175 Holy shit, a Nintendo 64 core was just announced and it's coming. I'm buying another DE-10 very soon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 14:52:29 2023 No.9818203 >>9817960 Probably accurate enough so that you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. Lke Snes9X vs bSNES.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 14:55:39 2023 No.9818209 >MiSTer N64 core in the works >Ares making strides in N64 emulation at a constant pace >Modding a real N64 and getting HDMI out has never been easier Nintendo 64 chads, it's finally our time. We are in the N64 renaissance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 15:06:02 2023 No.9818236 >>9818209 >WAHOOOOOOOO!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 15:40:15 2023 No.9818297 >>9818209 At this point we'll get Randnet working again

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 15:43:27 2023 No.9818307 >>9818209 Amazing, the five N64 games anyone ever plays will be as playable as ever, and all the fucking garbage nobody bothers with for more than five minutes will be playable too I guess

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:02:47 2023 No.9818354
File: 20 KB, 284x200, sovl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9817814
>I expected someone weird to try port the decompiled Mario 64 and run it like ScumVM but this is interesting.

That would be extremely pointless. To do something like that you would still need to configure the FPGA as some kind of CPU first and then run it on that, or just ignore the FPGA altogether and run it on the ARM CPU, which makes it no different than a very very weak Pi running it.

>>9817960
>None of his other cores are cycle accurate so it won’t be anything new when this one isn’t either

His PS1 core pretty much is. It's only has about 99.99% accuracy in sound in some games, and it hits 100% if you go dual-RAM.

>>9817970
Can't speak about Rogue Squadron, but IIRC the reason Indiana Jones gave such difficulty was due to GPU microcode. I don't really understand that well how to implement something in FPGA but that sounds like the kind of thing that would be a lot easier to do with a FPGA than software emulation.

>>9818032
Oh no! Now we won't be able to play... umm... err... *looks for a list of 3D0 games that was not also released on other consoles, PCs, or arcades* umm.... Captain Quasar! Or Crash 'n Burn! Or the director's cut of Ballz 3D! Or whatever the fuck N.O.B. is!

>>9818209
>>Modding a real N64 and getting HDMI out has never been easier

Yeah but it sucks that the newer N64 HDMI mods no longer have RGB out as well, even the existing ones that are still being produced will be removing that feature due to the chip used being hard to get now. I hope someone makes a new version that uses a different chip that's easier to get.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:07:38 2023 No.9818362 >>9818354 >His PS1 core pretty much is. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues/231

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:16:09 2023 No.9818376 >>9818354 >That would be extremely pointless. To do something like that you would still need to configure the FPGA as some kind of CPU first and then run it on that So just like the ScumVM port?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:34:24 2023 No.9818428 >>9818362 Ah yes, the classic "The number of bugs isn't 0% so I can claim the core is an inaccurate piece of trash!" argument.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:35:26 2023 No.9818430 >>9818376 >So just like the ScumVM port? No, that runs entirely on the ARM side of things, it's a software emulator.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:41:21 2023 No.9818450 >>9818428 No, the argument is that the core is not designed to be exactly like a real console and this can get exposed in a rare edge case. Author himself does not claim that his core is 100% accurate.

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:41:37 2023 No.9818451

>>9818354
>His PS1 core pretty much is.
It really isn't, none of his cores are.
>IIRC the reason Indiana Jones gave such difficulty was due to GPU microcode.
The difficulty was trying to get it working on HLE GPU plugins, it was never an issue for LLE plugins like Angrylion or more recently Parallel nor is it a problem to implment in software emulation compared to hardware emaultion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 16:58:09 2023 No.9818491 >>9818450 Where do you draw the line though. The Genesis model 3 isn't compatible with 100% of games due to fixing a bug that some games exploited making them unplayable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 19:57:04 2023 No.9818915 >>9818307 I have dozens of N64 games which I cherish and will enjoy 'til the day I die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 20:19:07 2023 No.9818957 I'm excited to finally play Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth.

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 20:57:09 2023 No.9819052

>>9813937
>>9814007
I seriously never got this meme. When I installed retroarch all I had to do in order was
>change UI to xmb
>download all cores I want
>assign each system folder to each core
>download and update artwork and other things
>gamepad is detected automatically and buttons assigned
>assign shader to all cores
>assign different shader for some cores like FBneo
Then to make it look better I found a guy that made a theme that adds cabinet style backgrounds, system photos, controllers icons for each system menu and cartridges/CDs/cassettes icons for each game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 21:11:45 2023 No.9819094 >>9819052 I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic at this point

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 21:23:53 2023 No.9819126
File: 345 KB, 500x375, 1483287006145.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>9783524
FGPA Everdrive>Aya Neo pro>>AnbernicRG552>Anberic 351p>Analouge Pocket>Ayn Loki>>Raspberry Pi=Odroid>Retroid Pocket 3>Miyoo Mini +>Homebrewed and CFW-added PS Vita>>Aya Neo regular>Miyoo Mini>>Anbernic 351X>Ayn Odin>Anbernic 353p>>Retroid Pocket 2/2+>>Powkiddy A12>>Minisforum>AnbernicRGXX>>Powkiddy RK2023>Coolboy rs-97+>Evercade>>Powkiddy v90>Pirate multicart>>Powkiddy a66>Coolboy rs-97>>MiSTER

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 21:31:16 2023 No.9819142 File: 1.76 MB, 270x200, wrong.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9819126

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 21:46:15 2023 No.9819176 >>9819126 If MiSTer gets a typo-ridden copypasta then they must be doing something right Also I don't get how the Analogue Pocket is that high up on the list when it's mostly a lower powered MiSTer

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 14 00:25:50 2023 No.9819484 >>9817775 >>9817778 >>9817780 I mean good on him but do we need his life story? Either way, interested to see if it'll need the extra RAM stick. If it works out I might have to consider changing my setup.

Anonymous Fri Apr 14 00:31:00 2023 No.9819497

>>9818307
>the five N64 games anyone ever plays will be as playable as ever
This meme is getting old.
>SM64, Paper Mario, Tennis, Golf, Party 1-3, Kart, Yoshi Story
>OoT, Majora
>Banjo 1, 2, DK 64, Perfect Dark, Diddy Kong, Racing, Conker
>Smash
>Pokemon Stadium 1/2 (though doubt we'll see transfer pak ability if a core does end up happening but that'd be cool), Snap
>Starfox
>Doom 64
>Harvest Moon 64
>Bomberman 64 and its sequels
>Turok
All worth checking out and are generally fun games if you like their genre

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 14 00:49:15 2023 No.9819524 if this gets up and working 1:1 against original hardware I'll be happy. Cause if im not mistaken it saves me the trouble of getting a 5X, unless I still need that

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 14 02:40:24 2023 No.9819705 >>9819484 >I mean good on him but do we need his life story? its a patreon post so thats what they pay for

Advanced search
Text to find
Subject [?]Search by post subject. Leave empty for any.
Username [?]Search for user name. Leave empty for any user name.
Tripcode [?]Search for tripcode. Leave empty for any.
Email [?]Search by email. Leave empty for any.
Filename [?]Search by image filename. Leave empty for any.
From Date [?]Enter what date to start searching from. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
To Date [?]Enter what date to start searching until. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
Image hash
Search in	All Posts OPs Only
Deleted posts	Show all posts Show only deleted posts Only show non-deleted posts
Internal posts	Show all posts Show only internal posts Show only archived posts
Order	New posts first Old posts first
Capcode	All Posts Only by Users Only by Mods Only by Admins Only by Developers
Results	Posts Threads
Action	[ Simple ]

/vr/ - Retro Games