Doom 64 vs Doom II

[Anonymous No.9779279]

Now that the dust has settled...which is the better game?

[Anonymous No.9779280]

2 sucks

[Anonymous No.9779282]

>>9779279
64>3>2016>2>eternal

[Anonymous No.9779296]

>>9779280
i was shocked at how bad 2 was in comparison to how good 1 was. double shotgun doesn't make up for shitty level design

[Anonymous No.9779331]

>>9779296
>>9779280
filtered

[Anonymous No.9779336]

>>9779331
yeah i filtered that trash right out of my backlog after playing it from start to end

[Anonymous No.9779346]

>>9779336
cringe

[Anonymous No.9779347]

>>9779331
>>9779346
keyed

[Anonymous No.9779382]

>>9779279
there's some cool stuff in 2 but it's really ugly in places...

[Anonymous No.9779386]

>>9779279
Doom 2 has some awful filler levels, it also feels like just an expansion on the first doom. Same enemies, same sprites, a couple more enemies and one more gun and done.

[Anonymous No.9779407]

>>9779282
Is 64 really that good? I've never played it before.

[Anonymous No.9779409]

>>9779282
based

[Anonymous No.9779414]

>>9779407
It starts off okay and then it gets good from "Even Simpler" and there on out.

[Anonymous No.9779570]

Of course D2 is better, what kind of question is this? D2 is the standard, D64 is just a side story port.

[Anonymous No.9779582]

>>9779407
It has the best level design of any official DOOM game (not counting Plutonia and Sigil). The Lost Levels were also pretty good.

[Anonymous No.9779584]

>>9779407
64 is fine but Doom 2 is miles better

[Anonymous No.9779590]

>>9779386
Doom 2 bestiary makes Doom 1 hard to go back to. Commandos, Arch Viles and Pain Elementals enhance the gameplay drastically.

[Anonymous No.9779593]

>>9779582
>64
>the best level design
Lmao

[Anonymous No.9779597]

>>9779407
64 has nice ambience and atmosphere but level design is mediocre compared to id's own stuff and remade sprites are awful.

[Anonymous No.9779605]

>>9779407
64 is OK with some unique mapping concepts and lighting that makes it stand out from other entries.

However, it suffers from many cons such as:
>Lack of reloading frames
>Lack of Revenants and Arch-Viles
>Half as many textures compared to the original game(s)
>Game feels overall "slower" due to N64 hardware

Personally I rank it a bit lower than the other entries because it just doesn't feel as good to play play (especially true if playing it on the original N64 hardware.)

D64ifier on the other hand is shaping up to be something incredible...

[Anonymous No.9779680]

>>9779605
>Lack of reloading frames
like quake. i personally like it

[Anonymous No.9779691]

>>9779407
Nah it's very overrated. People like it because it's released recently (all things considered) in a good format and looks different (which was novel in 90s). It has too many brute force puzzles, gameplay is quite slow. Give it 5 more years and people will start shitting on it.

[Anonymous No.9779710]

>>9779593
>nuh uh
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.9779712]

>>9779279
Doom 2 is like the standard of Doom games - monsters diversity, super shotgun, open ended levels and the difficulty is just right. It's perfect for both first time players and occasional revisits.

[Anonymous No.9779713]

>>9779279
For me doom1&2 are tied and I don't care about the 64 one. ps1 or pc is best 32x one looked ok too. Never tried it though

[Anonymous No.9779717]

>>9779713
And 2 has more puzzle to it so I could see why people might choose 2 over 1

[Anonymous No.9779718]

Too many barons but it's still the best Doom game.

[Anonymous No.9779728]

>>9779279
both have bad level design in parts, but 64 is in more recent memory. doom 64's map 8 is far more frustrating than any doom 2 map.

there's also one section requiring precise movement and timing where i have no idea how one would do it with a n64 controller. granted, ive never played it on the n64, only doom 64 ex

both are worth playing, but for doom 2 i would honestly say try some custom WADs if you dont like the level design of the base game. 64 is different enough to play through fully.

[Anonymous No.9779737]

>>9779407
No. People overhyped it for years because it was stuck on the N64 and was relative obscure when it came to Doom's legacy.

[Anonymous No.9780554]

>>9779279
>Doom 64
Some of the best Doom out there.

>Doom 2
Mostly just the bottom of the Doom barrel.

[Anonymous No.9780674]

I like the original much more than DOOM II, but I still like DOOM II more than Doom 64 (except for all the fucking Cacodemons in two, holy shit). I played a bit of Doom 64 when it was new and fully played it last year, but I just don't understand the hype. Some of the music was really atmospheric, but overall I don't see how it's any better than the first two. I'd probably play it again before Doom 3 however.

[Anonymous No.9781734]

>>9779279
Doom64 looks amazing. The game is really pretty, love the light engine, and the sprites, even though cacodemon having arms are dumb.
The final battle in Doom64 is much better too.

[Anonymous No.9781739]

>>9779279
It's a shame that 64 is missing Archviles and Revenants, some of the best-designed Doom enemies

[Anonymous No.9781758]

>>9779346
>>9779331
Fuck off Sandy dicksuck

[Anonymous No.9781791]

>>9779386
>a couple more enemies
Like twice as many, yeah.
>>9779590
This.
>but muh level design
Has a few bad levels, but not nearly to the extent that people make out

[Anonymous No.9781807]

>>9779590
Pain Elementas are gay niggers

[Anonymous No.9781823]

>>9779279
doom 64 levels with doom 2 bestiary

[Oh No No.9781885]

>>9779279
Doom 64 has less enemies, this instantly makes it worser than Doom2

[Anonymous No.9781898]

>>9781734
>cacodemon having arms are dumb
What's dumber is Cacodemons without arms opening doors.

[Anonymous No.9782380]

>>9781739
D64ifier includes the Revenants and will soon include the Archviles as well. Pic related

[Anonymous No.9782390]

>>9782380
Is this the one Pyspy was working on a couple years ago or did someone have the same idea? Looking forward to it being finished

[Anonymous No.9782391]

>>9781898
What part of a Doom door is interacted with to open it? Where is the part I need an arm for?

[Anonymous No.9782980]

>>9779279
64 had a more immersive atmosphere by far
That's not what people want out of Doom, so in that sense it's a worse game, but it appeals more to some people's sense of taste

[Anonymous No.9783129]

>>9779728
It can't be as bad as what they made you do at those turok ledges

[Anonymous No.9783293]

Does Doomguy die on the cover? I just don't see any way he gets out of that unscathed.

[Anonymous No.9783425]

>>9783293
yes, the cover depicts Doomguy's canon death at the end of episode 1 and the rest of the series, including every custom wad is a dying dream

[Anonymous No.9783450]

>>9783293
He dies in the first ep

[Anonymous No.9783508]

>>9779279
This is a hard one since they have their fare share of garbage levels. If we're talking about the cartridge version of Doom 64, then Doom II wins by default.

[Anonymous No.9783532]

>>9782390
It's the same one from Pyspy, he finished it a few weeks ago. So now they just need to be put in the game.

[Anonymous No.9783641]

>>9779279
I still go with Doom II because it has more monsters and the SSG feels better. I feel I need to play Doom 64 again though. Very good underrated game.

[Anonymous No.9784338]

>>9783450
>>9783425
not true at all, that's just a cliffhanger so people bought past the shareware

[Anonymous No.9784350]

>>9779279
Doom 2 is on of the best games ever made. Doom 64 was barely known and played during its day.

[Anonymous No.9784374]

>>9783293
>Does Doomguy die on the cover?

I don't think that's ever been addressed by the original team. But considering in the game he lives to tell the tale, unlikely.

The second marine in the back is supposed to suggest the innovative-at-the-time multiplayer co-op that shipped with the game btw.